"Joe" <steelr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551
>
> Joe
For several reasons Edgar,
When we started the company our plan was to get a load of Mexican
Puma. That plan was nixed because the brokers and the farm were scared
to death to load a cargo at a non secure location. They were afraid we
would all be mistaken for drug runners and killed by the local drug
lords for stepping on their turf. The only place they agreed to load
us was a secure shipping port. Due to the port set-up it would have
been impossiable to load not to mention the cost of hiring union
workers to load the cargo by hand. Sitting at the public warf in
belize was a hassle. Every drug dealer in town meet on the warf at
night to smoke and deal. The one night we did not anchor out was the
night of the shoot out between rival gangs from Mexico and Belize
right at the head of the dock.
Second, we can pre-secure the cargo, and clear it from customs so
that there will be no delays what so ever in loading a container and
departing. As you know we missed a weather window by 1 day due to a 1
week delay by US customs, a 5 day delay due to tropical storm Olga,
the a 6 day delay because the cargo was not ready to be loaded when we
arrived in Belize. Our original goal was to be back in port before
December 1 missing the first frieght train northern that hits here
every year.
So for security, and cost savings and logistics a standard container
is the way to go to any port. We can load and depart in about 30
minutes and the cost is around a thousand bucks. Here in the US we can
offload at will and take our time, overseas thats a big hassle. I had
to threaten one Pirate wanna be with a USMC Bolo to keep off the boat
and out of the way while loading. I seriously thought I was going to
have to hack on him to get him to understand how serious I was about
no one boarding the vessel. My biggest concern was a local planting
drugs on the boat for the local cops so they could take my boat. No
one was every allowed on the vessel and never was the boat left alone.
The cops did raid my brother and a local we hired to secure supplies.
A dozen cops in 5-6 cars zoomed in all at once and took our rented
golf cart, supplies and guide. They assumed our guide was delivering
the goods and they were going to make a major bust. Turns out the
boxes my bro loaded from the guides house only had sea shells and
coral the guide gave him. We got the guide out of jail for a case of
beer the police stole or lost from the cart.
Joe
Nice Joe... I'd love to try a bag. Can it be bought via a website or can I
pay you directly for one?
In any case, have a great and safe New Year!
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com
Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
that matter out of your boat?
Or is that container going to be a deck load?
Bob
Glad to hear it, and wish good luck and safe sailing to all involved.
I've read another reply you posted to the thread, about your encounters
with drug gangs and other undesirables. Wouldn't it be better to buy
your coffee elsewhere (I may have missed that you are)? How are you
going to be certain that your coffee isn't tampered with at the place of
origin (stuff smuggled in the container)?
I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
the container? Where does/do the mast(s) go? Living quarters? How do you
keep water out of the hold? All interesting stuff, please post details
when available, or post a link to a web-site.
Justin.
--
Justin C, by the sea.
Headway: Nearly two years ago today, the U.S. Coast Guard rescued Joe and
Terry Butcher, along with Joe's brother, Douglas Butcher, after their
sailboat, Red Cloud, was struck by 25-foot seas 200 miles offshore.
*** Lie #1 I saw the rescue vids and those little seas were fifteen feet
MAX! More like 10 footers with an occasional 15 footer thrown in.
Joe and Terry Butcher own El Lago Coffee Co. The trio had planned to deliver
10,000 pounds of coffee from Belize to Texas.
*** Lie #2 One does not deliver *from/to*. One can only deliver to.
Although Red Cloud was lost, the Butchers' are sailing ahead with the
business, this month announcing they'll begin selling El Lago coffee at
Arlan's Market, 514 Market St., in Galveston. The coffee sells well at Arlan's
Seabrook store, the Butchers said.
*** Lie #3 Red Cloud was not 'lost.' Red Cloud was abandoned and later
foundered. Prematurely abandoned at that. All because the crew was
frightened to death of fifteen foot seas.
Coffee sales will help to pay for the company's next sailing vessel. The
Butchers said their next boat is in the early design stages, possibly a
79-foot steel hull schooner that would carry one, 20-foot standard shipping
container, about 49,500 pounds of coffee, each trip. They said they want the
boat and their products to be eco-friendly.
*** Lie #4 Eco friendly my arse! They've been spouting that fantasy now
for years and eco-friendly has yet to happen. All the coffee they sell is
shipped via standard 'ungreen' ways and means.
Look for El Lago to pass out free samples of brewed coffee - including its
top seller, the "Boat Roast" - at the island Arlan's from 7 a.m. to about
noon Wednesday.
**** Whoop-de-doo! If it were so much in demand would they have to give it
away for free in the hopes people would feel some duty to buy some?
Wilbur Hubbard
> Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
> that matter out of your boat?
> Or is that container going to be a deck load?
You must have not seen his 'plans' which are more like line drawings.
The fool has the container sitting right on the deck between the masts
causing a negative stability curve when loaded. I suggested he recess it
into the hull until it rested in the bilge but he had some dumb excuse why
it was better way up high where it would capsize the boat if it heeled more
than 30 degrees.
Joe's no engineer for sure.
--
Gregory Hall
Hey stupid, you signed Gregory again as wilbur and we all know you are
nellie girl. What a total coward you are. Go cry like a baby and stick
your head in a corner..DUNCE. I haven't seen you so upset since Ellen
was sailing, while you, like now, and the last 15 years, sit on an
anchor shitting in a bucket.
Joe
Customs puts a seal on the container. All third world countrys have
problems.
>
> I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
> coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
> that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
> the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
> the container?
In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
ballast (battery banks included).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw
Where does/do the mast(s) go? Living quarters? How do you
> keep water out of the hold?
Cargo bay hatch covers.
All interesting stuff, please post details
> when available, or post a link to a web-site.
You can pay the company directly Jon.
Just let me know what you want
j...@ellagocoffee.com
Send money to:
El Lago Coffee Co.
P.O. Box 1147
Seabrook Texas
77586-1147
Due to postage cost we suggest 12oz bags
This covers postage.
"Boat Roast" Costa Rican Tres Rio 10.00
"Skipper Choice" Huehuetenango Guatamala 12.00
"RedClouds Finest" Certified Antiqua 13.00
'Mermaids Mist" Decaff Guatamala 13.00
"Captain Cooks Kona" 100% certified organic Kona 8oz 24.00
Thanks
Joe
Bob, stick to asking the guy in Dutch Harbor if it's cold this time of
year.
Joe
>"Joe" <steelr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:355bbce8-c65b-436f...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>> http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551
>>
>> Joe
>
>
>
>Headway: Nearly two years ago today, the U.S. Coast Guard rescued Joe and
>Terry Butcher, along with Joe's brother, Douglas Butcher, after their
>sailboat, Red Cloud, was struck by 25-foot seas 200 miles offshore.
>
>*** Lie #1 I saw the rescue vids and those little seas were fifteen feet
>MAX! More like 10 footers with an occasional 15 footer thrown in.
>
>Joe and Terry Butcher own El Lago Coffee Co. The trio had planned to deliver
>10,000 pounds of coffee from Belize to Texas.
>
>*** Lie #2 One does not deliver *from/to*. One can only deliver to.
>
Deliver us from evil?
>"Bob" <frey...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:55bd4abb-9753-40bf...@j5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
>> that matter out of your boat?
>> Or is that container going to be a deck load?
>
>
>You must have not seen his 'plans' which are more like line drawings.
>
Um... most plans usually consist of lines, Dilbert.
Send money to:
Thanks
Joe
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Those ridiculous prices prove there's a sucker born every minute!
Wilbur Hubbard
> In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
> the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
> ballast (battery banks included).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw
Good to see you abandoned your original silly idea of having the container
on deck between the masts and placed it low as possible as I suggested.
Now, if you follow my next bit of good advice you might just succeed.
-- Hire a professional captain and crew to run the new boat.
Wilbur Hubbard
But the problems become yours when the container is inspected on
arrival.
>> I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
>> coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
>> that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
>> the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
>> the container?
>
> In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
> the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
> ballast (battery banks included).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw
Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.
> Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.
>
Is it being fitted with an underwater camera that activates when it sinks?
Wilbur Hubbard
There is no problem. You know what was loaded and as long as the seal
remains un-tampered with then there are no suprises. A couple of pad
locks and a trip right to a secure shipping port to await loading.
Every coffee port in the world is surrounded with secure containers
waiting to be loaded.
>
> >> I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
> >> coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
> >> that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
> >> the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
> >> the container?
>
> > In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
> > the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
> > ballast (battery banks included).
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw
>
> Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.
>
Me too.
Joe
> Me too.
> Joe
Hey JOe
I finally took a look at your lines.
Looks like ya got yourslf a modified gaff rigged Texas Scow Scooner.
Why the gaff rig? Because ya got a shallow draft boat with a drop
center board....... ?
1) why ya going with something so shallow. That rig wont point worth
shit.
2) I emagin that center board aint worth much since your container is
sitting right on top of the CB trunk.
3) Most those "traditional working sail" designs have huge "barn door"
rudders but yours looks like a corn flake. Do you plan on just
motoring. I cant see how that litte rudder will be much use. But with
all those sails Id hope you could trim it to sail straght.
4) are you going for a media look to impress those who are not
familure with turn of the century working sail designs. Please dont
tell me your going to be in "undevelped harbors" seeking your coffee
and there for need a shallow draft center board. Why not use twin
LEEBOARDS? Or better yet, get an old gulf shrimper and stick a flag
pose in the middle of it and call it a sailboat.............
Howard I Cappell would roll over in his grave if he saw that bastard
design..........
Good luck
Bob
> Me too.
> Joe
Good luck
Bob
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From the very start Joe's so-called 'green' coffee enterprise has been a
lie. Like many dishonest folk these days he is just trying to cash in on the
'green' hysteria by catering to those most likely to fall for that crap -
the Starbuck's liberal latte-drinking losers.
Joe has NO INTENTION of really using wind power alone to deliver his
product. Rather, he is just putting on enough of a show so the liberal
losers will fall for it like they fall for the Al Gore pack of lies.
What's next for Joe? Probably 'Polar Bear Coffee' that has on the package a
skinny-looking polar bear on a tiny melting iceberg. On the back it will say
something like. "Save the Polar Bears, Drink El Lago Coffee - the
hemisphere's only 'green' eco-friendly coffee."
But, since there's a sucker born every minute, he'll probably sell the hell
out of it.
Wilbur Hubbard
Just Google "Cecil Wilbur Neal" and see why Neal Warren is so upset.
Joe
I need to ask. Why is your new boat designed to be more motor boat
than sailboat? Clearly your hull is a hard chined motor boat with a
tunnel stern. In fact she look a lot like a shrimp boat. I thought you
wanted a sailboat and not a motor boat.....?
Bob
> Bob
I thought you were working offshore, but you have always been posting
from the same place mo. after mo. after mo. asking stupid questions
Bob. R U tired of pretending you have a job ?
Joe
>Uhhhh Joe. crew have internet connection now days :)
>n
>if im in fouchon or off the boat i use my verizon air card for an
>internet connection.................
>bob
>ps its my 14 off
I have a wireless modem that will work on a cruise ship a thousand
miles from land. No extra charge. Same address in the headers
everywhere.
Casady
>I have a wireless modem that will work on a cruise ship a thousand
>miles from land. No extra charge. Same address in the headers
>everywhere.
Tell us more.
Who makes it? How does it communicate? Model # ?
Price ?
only because the Cruise Ship has it's own CellSite aboard that connects
to the SAT based IP/Internet connection for the ship... duh...
Gregory Hall AKA Wilbur Hubbard IS A RAPIST
Designation: Sexual Offender
Name: CECIL WARREN
Status: Released - Required to Register
Department of Corrections #: Not Available
Date of Birth: 03/24/1943
Race : White
Sex: Male
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 147 lbs
Binghamton, NY 13905-1829
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More details at: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us:80/offender/flyer.do?personId=35467
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Forty bucks. In the offshore case something was going on that involved
the ships radio gear and satellites. Might as well be magic, there was
no extra charge from the phoneco or the ship.
Casady
>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:17:41 -0500, Wayne.B
><waynebatr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:00:09 -0600, Richard Casady
>><richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I have a wireless modem that will work on a cruise ship a thousand
>>>miles from land. No extra charge. Same address in the headers
>>>everywhere.
>>
>>Tell us more.
>>
>>Who makes it? How does it communicate? Model # ?
>>Price ?
>>
>Forty bucks. In the offshore case something was going on that involved
>the ships radio gear and satellites. Might as well be magic, there was
>no extra charge from the phoneco or the ship.
>
>Casady
In other words, you got lucky. I've been on several cruise ships in
the last few years and they all had satellite internet available at
about $1/minute. They also have their own onboard WiFi systems but
all that I've seen were secured. It sounds like your boat also had
their own cellular system but it's possible that you were in a US port
at the time and connecting the regular way. I've been able to do
that in Puerto Rico and the USVI using my regular aircard.
The 1 TEU boxboat. Be sure and send an autographed picture to the
skipper of the Emma Maersk.
Casady
>It sounds like your boat also had
>their own cellular system but it's possible that you were in a US port
>at the time and connecting the regular way.
It worked a thousand miles offshore.
Casay
Hey Joe... just wanted to say thanks for getting the coffee to me. And,
thanks for the Boat Roast sample, which was excellent. As soon as it's out,
I'll be tasting the whole bean brews.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com
>Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
>that matter out of your boat?
>Or is that container going to be a deck load?
It's not a good idea to mix different ones in a package (just like I kept
them
separate in the plastic bags) because the scents are strong and will
'infect' each other if they're right next to one another. And the
smells are specific and distinct enough that you wouldn't want that.
Hello Jon,
Glad you liked the Boat Roast it is our biggest seller.
What did you think of the RedClouds finest, and Skippers Choice?
We are expecting a big boost in sales on Galveston Island, had a nice
story published in the largest magazine for the locals. And we have
been passing out samples to all the boat fleets.
Soon we hope to announce a national chain that will be selling El
Lago Coffee.
http://www.theislandermagazine.com/
Joe
>On Jan 16, 1:00 pm, "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote:
Hey Joe. Just ordered a pound of each.
Didn't see Boat Roast on the website, but put it in the order.
Do me a favor and handle this yourself.
You reminded me of my Navy days, so make sure Bob isn't around to piss
on my coffee.
--Vic
Greeting Vic,
I'd be happy to put your order together.
Do me a favor and e-mail me directly at j...@ellagocoffee.com
Let me know what you want, and your zip code and I can send you a
total.
We ship the cheapest way possiable and only charge actual shipping
cost, no handling or packing fee B.S.
The boat roast is a Costa Rican Tres Rio's.
Best Regards,
Joe
j...@ellagocoffee.com
Thanks Salty, I'll have to check it out. When I first bought
RedCloud they published a story called "Fetching RedCloud". They may
be publishing "The Coffee Boat" if we can come to terms on $ and I can
get it finished... I'm at around 320 pages and just getting to the
part where we got our guide out of jail for 1/2 a case of beer that
the police stole from my brother..That happened the day before we
departed Ambergris Caye and the night after the shootout on the beach
in front of Big Daddy's and the Blue Moon.
Joe
Well that boat snapping in half sure cost alot more than my loss,
sorta removes the sting a tiny bit. Also recently received a nice
letter of support from Pete Goss, he had a boat snap in half as well.
Guess thats part of pushing the envelope and trying new things. All is
good if you live and learn and keep moving forward.
Joe
>
> I'd be happy to put your order together.
>Do me a favor and e-mail me directly at j...@ellagocoffee.com
>Let me know what you want, and your zip code and I can send you a
>total.
>
>We ship the cheapest way possiable and only charge actual shipping
>cost, no handling or packing fee B.S.
>
> The boat roast is a Costa Rican Tres Rio's.
>
Already sent it to the El Lago order address. Don't want to confuse
things. This is my real name, same as on the order.
My main concern is you keep Bob away from my damn coffee.
He might be picking up bad habits from the bayou boys.
--Vic
Bob's never been to the Bayou, infact Bob is not even real he's just
an amusing puppet I like to make dance. If he were on the Bayou, in
Fouchon, with his attitude he would be gone or crawdaddy food within a
few days.
I'll check again, perhaps our server is having problems, as I did not
see your order.
Best Regards,
Joe
> Hello Jon,
>
> Glad you liked the Boat Roast it is our biggest seller.
>What did you think of the RedClouds finest, and Skippers Choice?
You've got several people out here who can't get enough of the Skippers
Choice. I haven't tried the RC finest yet... I'm savoring the SC for now and
keeping people away from it as best as possible.
> We are expecting a big boost in sales on Galveston Island, had a nice
>story published in the largest magazine for the locals. And we have
>been passing out samples to all the boat fleets.
>
> Soon we hope to announce a national chain that will be selling El
>Lago Coffee.
>
>http://www.theislandermagazine.com/
>
>Joe
Nice article.... I hope things really take off!
I was not in a port a thousand miles offshore. The cell phone worked
fine all the way to Hawaii and back. I could call the wife from
anywhere on the ship to anywhere on the ship. They had phone calls
from the room phone to Des Moines or wherever for a couple of bucks a
minute, but the cell phone worked for free. Like I said, it must have
been magic because there was nothing extra from either the cell phone
provider or the ship. We have gone on several Holland-America cruises,
including one from the US to the sea north of Norway to Amsterdam. The
sun didn't set for about four days, not until the ship was below the
Arctic circle. The ship did Caribbean in the Winter and Europe in the
Summer and you can get a no-fly Atlantic crossing if you time it
right. All of their ships have a bar with three floor to ceiling glass
walls. Direct above the pilothouse as a matter of fact. They call
those bars the Crows Nest and all their ships have them. Much better
view than the one the mere Captain has.
Casady