recommended chain for a Simpson-Lawrence SeaTiger 555 windlass ?
Courtney Thomas
Thoughts on rope/chain combo ?
Good source/price ?
Appreciatively,
Courtney
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Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
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Steve
It just doesn't make sense to splice a rope to a chain without a
thimble. You will get wear on the rope strands that are in contact with
the chain link.
I know there have been test done that supposedly prove that this splice
method is as strong as (what ever), but these test were done with a new,
freshly spliced line. How would this same splice, after it lays in
sand or mud for a few weeks or after 30 or so anchoring evolutions. I
have to believe that the chaff and grit will cause the splice to
deteriorate much more than an eye and thimble splice.
I think Simpson Lawrence devised this "fool-hardy" splice and winch
skeme to capture the "lazy skipper" market (Bayliner Bubbas).
My opinion, FWIW.. ( Or, ask me how I really feel about this issue)
Steve
s/v Good Intentions
Dan Best
guys last spring and am very happy with it.
http://1st-chainsupply.com/chain/gr30hg_bulk.htm
The price has gone up since then, but $410 (delivered) is still a great
price.
It is my understanding that there is more than one kind of gypsy that
your SL-555 might have, so make sure this is what you need before you
order it. I took a sample of my old chain down to the local West Marine
to compare against the various chain types and sizes before I ordered.
BTW, the WM catalog price is $3.99/ft or $800 for the same stuff and
that doesn't include delivery.
Have fun - Dan
Courtney Thomas wrote:
> What size, length, type, etc.....for a 10Ton boat ?
>
> Thoughts on rope/chain combo ?
>
> Good source/price ?
>
> Appreciatively,
> Courtney
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Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean"
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Paul L
that have gone on in practice for many years. Done correctly, the splice
works fine for a long time. There are plenty of examples of thimbles failing
under load too (that then cut in the rode and we say bye-bye to the anchor),
that doesn't mean you'll never use a thimble in a rode does it? Think about
the actual failures associated with anchoring that you have heard of. How
many of those were caused by rope-to-chain splice failures? I bet you'll
find a whole lot more references to thimble failures and swivel failures
than splice failures. Opinion is fine, but implying that I am a lazy skipper
because I use a rope-to-chain splice doesn't hold water (or anchor in deep
water).
The Complete Book of Anchoring and Mooring, Hinz, has good coverage of this.
Paul
www.jcruiser.org
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Wayne.B
<ccth...@joimail.com> wrote:
>What size, length, type, etc.....for a 10Ton boat ?
>
>Thoughts on rope/chain combo ?
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I'd go with 5/16 HT chain which is what I had on my old boat weighing
23,000#. It worked fine, the real question is how much chain and how
much rode. I decided on 150 ft of chain spliced to 250 ft of 5/8
nylon rode but that was a bit overkill. My original rationale was
that 150 ft of chain would be enough for up to 30 ft of water and I'd
never need to worry about the rope/chain splice in most circumstances.
As a sailboat you need to be concerned with weight in the bow so maybe
75 ft of chain and 150 ft of rode would be enough for most anchorages.
It depends on where and how you use the boat.
Rick Itenson
<ccth...@joimail.com> wrote:
>What size, length, type, etc.....for a 10Ton boat ?
>
If your anchor locker and boat trim can take it I'd get 200 ft. of 3/8
(I use BBB) . If you seldom anchor in anything over 25' you can get
by with using 100' of chain and a good snubber. After it gets a bit
worn you can end for end it. I have 150' of 5/8 three strand spliced
to the chain. Of course a good 44# Bruce helps.
Rick
"Breathless" B393
Wayne.B
wrote:
>If your anchor locker and boat trim can take it I'd get 200 ft. of 3/8
>(I use BBB) .
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That's close to 600#s of weight in the bow of a sailboat, and is not
at all good for sailing performance. That was the basis for my
recommendation of a somewhat shorter length of 5/16 HT. It has the
same strength as standard 3/8 and is 30% lighter and less bulky.
Rick Itenson
Wayne,
3/8 BBB weighs 1.54 lbs. per ft. 200 ft = 308 lbs. even with the 44#
Bruce its 352 lbs. For a 39 ft, boat this is not inordinate. The
original poster was talking about a ten ton boat which displaces a bit
more than mine. I understand that it's not wise to have too much
weight in the ends of a sailboat but a cruising boat MUST have good
ground tackle, after a good anchor that means weight and scope. As
for good sailing performance, I am not racing around the cans, if I
were I'd have a 15# Danforth, however I do think my boat sails as well
as any 39 ft. cruiser. I also have a 35# CQR with 50 ft of 3/8 chain
and 250 ft of three strand on the bow.
Rick
"Breathless" B393
Rick Itenson
Breathless
Toronto
Wayne.B
wrote:
>3/8 BBB weighs 1.54 lbs. per ft. 200 ft = 308 lbs. even with the 44#
>Bruce its 352 lbs. For a 39 ft, boat this is not inordinate. The
>original poster was talking about a ten ton boat which displaces a bit
>more than mine. I understand that it's not wise to have too much
>weight in the ends of a sailboat but a cruising boat MUST have good
>ground tackle, after a good anchor that means weight and scope. As
>for good sailing performance, I am not racing around the cans, if I
>were I'd have a 15# Danforth, however I do think my boat sails as well
>as any 39 ft. cruiser. I also have a 35# CQR with 50 ft of 3/8 chain
>and 250 ft of three strand on the bow.
===============================================
50 feet strikes me as being a lot more reasonable than 200 feet but my
main point was that 5/16 HT is just as strong, and at lighter
weight/bulk. Most racing sailors would stand on their heads to remove
even 20 pounds from the bow let alone 352. In light air and a chop
that amount of weight could easily mean half a knot of lost speed
(~10% or more).
Kelton Joyner
about an extra day sailing on a 1200 nm trip. So it will take me 11 days
instead of 10 to sail to the BVI. Rather take the extraday and have
good ground tackle.
krj
Rick Itenson
Wayne,
On my old boat (CS36) I had a Bruce (33#) and a CQR (35#) each with
50' of 3/8 chain and a couple of hundred feet of 5/8 three strand. I
did this because I did not have a windlass. On many an occasion I
would have given anything for a couple of hundred feet of chain. On
my new boat (B393 with windlass) I have 200' of chain and I kept my
CQR as a secondary anchor. If you're going out on weekends most
anything will suffice, if you're going cruising get the best ground
tackle you can afford and chain is the best. As for racing sailors
removing weight, that's great for racing but I refuse to sail to the
Bahamas without my usual supply of 400 lbs ( you do the math) of my
favourite beverage even if I can get another two knots out of her! :>)
Rick Itenson
Breathless
Toronto
MLapla4120
bought out by Lewmar. I don't know if you
can still buy a new one nowadays. Anyway, I got mine since it was on the boat
I purchased. Anyway, my point is that the gypsy that is on the windlass
dictates the size chain you need. Mine
fits 5/16 chain. So, you kind of don't have
a choice.
I also found out that they don't make
new gypsies. This is all worth checking out. I don't have all the facts, but
I stopped
figuring this out because all my windlass needed was grease, the windlass is
okay
and I have 5/16 chain.
Paul L
another day. Everything on a boat is trade-off, but taking a sailboat and
putting so much crap on it that it can't sail does not make it a safe
cruising boat. In extreme anchoring conditions rope is stronger and more
forgiving than chain. Once chain is pulled to taunt, its additional weight
does very little. Chain is much better when it comes to chafe, so having
100ft of it out is great. It's a trade-off, so be reasonable about what you
add in chain, not dogmatic.
Paul
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Wayne.B
wrote:
>I refuse to sail to the
>Bahamas without my usual supply of 400 lbs ( you do the math) of my
>favourite beverage even if I can get another two knots out of her! :>)
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Not even I could argue with that logic but at least the beverage
weight can be located in the center of the boat - helps to keep an
even keel you know ;-)
Rosalie B.
>I have a Simpson-Lawrence 555 Sea Tiger winch. I believe that company was
>bought out by Lewmar. I don't know if you
>can still buy a new one nowadays. Anyway, I got mine since it was on the boat
>I purchased. Anyway, my point is that the gypsy that is on the windlass
>dictates the size chain you need. Mine
>fits 5/16 chain. So, you kind of don't have
>a choice.
We also have a S-L Sea Tiger which is a manual windlass, and we carry
300 feet of 5/16 BBB chain and our primary anchor is a 55# Super Max.
But we have a 37,000 lb. boat, and I do not think that is an excessive
amount of weight for the boat. A lot of the chain has been led back
into the bilge. The boat is actually a little heavy at the stern
because of other stuff back there so it isn't bow heavy. And we carry
400 gallons of water and 100 gallons of fuel amidships.
We got chain originally because we expected to eventually take the
boat to the Caribbean and had been informed that a rope rode would not
be appropriate for anchoring among rocks etc, and we also expected to
be anchoring sometimes in 45-50 feet of water where we would need the
extra scope.
We have a secondary 45# CQR on some chain but mostly rope rode and
have never used it, and we also have a Danforth on the stern - ditto.
> I also found out that they don't make
>new gypsies. This is all worth checking out. I don't have all the facts, but
>I stopped
>figuring this out because all my windlass needed was grease, the windlass is
>okay
>and I have 5/16 chain.
We got our windlass 2nd hand, and had to make a handle for it because
it didn't have one. Bob would like to modify the port side so that
it would also take chain, but he's having a problem getting a chain
gypsy for that side.
grandma Rosalie
S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html
Courtney Thomas
ST555.
If so, can different gypsies be installed and thereby use different
chain on this windlass ?
I am motivated to pursue this in that I've an opportunity to buy some G4
chain [which may not be compatible with my current gypsy] at 25% of the
going rate in my area :-)
Gratefully,
Courtney
MLapla4120 wrote:
Courtney Thomas
hearing about it in that I'd like to follow suit.
Cordially,
Courtney
Rosalie B. wrote: