Do U own a Maxum 2400 SCR?
john sipkens
Michael Nicolai wrote in message <37477B5B...@magicnet.net>...
If you own a Maxum 2400 SCR (Sun Cruiser), please let me know what you
thing about it. I saw a 1996 2400 SCR (which had been sold) at a local
boat show and was impressed by the layout and size. I am now looking
for one my self but would like to hear from anyone in the know about
this boat. Some specific questions I have are:
0) What year is your boat?
1) What speed gives you best fuel economy.
2) What type of mileage does the boat get (with 5.7L)?
3) What is the max speed?
4) Is it comfortable enough for a few nights stay?
5) Any problems with the layout?
6) Any specific problems with the boat in general?
7) Can you stand up in the shower (I'm 5'11")
8) How does it handle at speed
9) How does it handle at slow speed?
10) how easy is docking with it?
11) Do you find there is enough storage on board?
12) What do you store the center cushion when the forward berth is setup
as a table?
13) There is a water heater on board. How does it work (electric,
engine heat, gas)?
14) There seemed to be enough room next to the engine for a generator.
Is that correct?
15) What is the draft on the boat?
16) Is it practical to fish (troll) off the back of the boat (looks like
people do)?
17) What do you thing about the mid cabin berth (good or bad)?
Anything other information you care to add would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for your time.
Miken.
Michael Nicolai
will_al...@my-dejanews.com
The one thing I would be wary of with a Maxxum is that it is
essentially a Bayliner. They are one in the same. The Maxxum line is
what Bayliner dealers upsell to when folks want to trade in their
Bayliners. I don't recall which model was tested recently in Boating
magazine, but it did get an overall good rating. The questions raised
were in the hull to deck bonding and quality of the fittings. I don't
know if there is an appreciable difference in build quality between the
two lines, but remember - you get what you pay for. Bayliners have
horrible resale value, which is a good indicator of their quality. I
would suggest talking to people who own a Maxxum and get a first hand
opinion (assuming they have had the boat for more than one season, and
actually use it) and also talking to marina mechanics and get their
opinions as well. Good luck.
Will Alibrandi
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Mrpaper1
will_al...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7i8tim$6i6
>The one thing I would be wary of with a Maxxum is that it is
>essentially a Bayliner.
Wrong!
>They are one in the same.
Wrong Again!
> I don't recall which model was tested recently in Boating
>magazine, but it did get an overall good rating.
If you dont recall why say anything.
> Bayliners have horrible resale value, which is a good indicator of their
>quality.
Double Wrong! Bayliners have an excellent resale value on a percentage
basis.
>would suggest talking to people who own a Maxxum and get a first hand
>opinion
Good Idea!! Since it appears you have no first hand experiance with either
Bayliner or Maxxum
I am not defending either Bayliner or Maxxum even though I have owned three.
I have seen good and bad in every boat manufacturer (you name the brand) and
you can find someone who will bash any product.
the best advice I can give is do your home work and buy what you like or you
wont be happy.
Gary
Another member of The Loyal Order Of Bayliner Owners
H Krause
>
> will_al...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7i8tim$6i6
> >The one thing I would be wary of with a Maxxum is that it is
> >essentially a Bayliner.
>
> Wrong!
>
> >They are one in the same.
>
> Wrong Again!
>
> > I don't recall which model was tested recently in Boating
> >magazine, but it did get an overall good rating.
>
> If you dont recall why say anything.
There's less than meets the eye in "BOATING" magazine reviews. The
reviews are a decent place to look for data and impressions about new
boats, but a lousy place to look for qualitative analysis. There just
isn't much of it.
TrailerBoats is a little better in comparing and analyzing boats,
but...only boats considered trailerable.
Despite the big buildup many people give it, I find that PowerBoat
Reports' reviews of boats have less data in them than BOATING, and too
much non-specific and non-detailed writing. In a recent issue, several
"express" type fishing boats were reviewed, including at least one on
which no tests were performed.
Sail magazine, at least, used to provide in-depth analyses of how
particular sailboats were built and how they handled. At least the
magazine did in the days I was a sailor.
As for the difference between Bayliners and Maxums, well, the last time
I looked at two of them side by side at the same dealer's sale lot, they
were identical except for color and upholstery. Same hull, no doubt
about it. Perhaps this has changed or perhaps it is not true throughout
the Maxum line. The only way a non-insider could tell would be to visit
a place where all the different models of both lines were lined up side
by side so an examination could be made. Aren't they made on the very
same assembly lines?
>
> > Bayliners have horrible resale value, which is a good indicator of their
> >quality.
>
> Double Wrong! Bayliners have an excellent resale value on a percentage
> basis.
>
> >would suggest talking to people who own a Maxxum and get a first hand
> >opinion
>
> Good Idea!! Since it appears you have no first hand experiance with either
> Bayliner or Maxxum
>
> I am not defending either Bayliner or Maxxum even though I have owned three.
> I have seen good and bad in every boat manufacturer (you name the brand) and
> you can find someone who will bash any product.
> the best advice I can give is do your home work and buy what you like or you
> wont be happy.
>
> Gary
> Another member of The Loyal Order Of Bayliner Owners
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FKnot
Maxum is NOT a bayliner. They are owned
by the same PARENT COMPANY and that
is the only link. The Maxum is a stronger
tougher better built boat all the way around.
The fittings are better and last longer. I owned
2 Bayliners then purchased a Maxum 2800SCR
see:
http://www.orneveien.org/n2hhr/
The Maxum weighs more and is made of
heaver fiberglass. I have taken mine across
the Erie Canal 8 times and once down the ICW
with great results. In fact I just spent the
entire winter aboard down in South Carolina.
Do not be confused by the Maxum/Bayliner
argument. Bayliners are fine boats and you
get a lot of boat for your money, Maxums are
just higher quality.
>The one thing I would be wary of with a Maxxum is that it is
>essentially a Bayliner. They are one in the same. The Maxxum line is
>what Bayliner dealers upsell to when folks want to trade in their
>Bayliners.
Mark Hilliard, N2HHR
Book on Paper Patched Bullets
Digital & Digitized Photo Gallery
http://www.orneveien.org/n2hhr/
fr...@home.com
> 5) Any problems with the layout?
> 8) How does it handle at speed
> 9) How does it handle at slow speed?
> 10) how easy is docking with it?
These questions should be answered by yourself on a good Sea trial.
If you are satisfied with the performance, then that is all that
matters.
If you boat where conditions can get rough, Imagine yourself docking
solo with a stiff cross wind, You may need to get on the cabin deck
quickly and safely, can you?
The interiors of these boats are quite roomy, However many
people find once they own a boat like this they rarely use the cabin.
Yet, it was one of the principal reasons for buying the boat in the 1st
place.
Good Luck,
Ray
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RGrew176
>Maxum is NOT a bayliner. They are owned
>by the same PARENT COMPANY and that
>is the only link.
>The Maxum weighs more and is made of
>heaver fiberglass.
Lets check out the above statement. Lets compare statistics. Lets compare the
28' and 30' Maxum and Bayliner.
Maxum 2800 SCR weighs in at 6630 lbs with the standard engine.
Bayliner 2855 Ciera weighs in at 6763 lbs with the standard engine.
You still say the Maxum weighs more?
Maxum 3000 SCR weighs in at 10200 lbs with standard engines.
Bayliner 3055 Ciera weighs in at 11741 lbs with standard engines. That is 1541
lbs more in my book.
Heck the Bayliner 3055 weighs 941 lbs more than the Maxum 3200 SCR so your
above statement is not backed up by the facts.
Does that mean the Bayliners are better boats. Not at all. However Bayliners
have served me very well for the past 12 years.
Just want to set the record straight.
FKnot
>Maxum 2800 SCR weighs in at 6630 lbs with the standard engine.
>
>Bayliner 2855 Ciera weighs in at 6763 lbs with the standard engine.
>
>above statement is not backed up by the facts.
>
>Does that mean the Bayliners are better boats. Not at all. However Bayliners
>have served me very well for the past 12 years.
>
>Just want to set the record straight.
How in the world did YOU turn this into a pissing match? Did you read
my entire post? Did you not see that I too have owned several Bayliners
and that I said that they are a lot of boat for the money?
Now, the ADVERTISED weight means nothing. I have the 2800, my
friend on the next slip has a 2855. I can walk across the bow of
the Maxum without the fiberglass bending under my weight. If I do
the same with the Bayliner it actually bows. The same is true of the
hull if I press into the side of it with my hand. Total weight means
nothing. Maxum has added heaver layers of glass to the new (post 96)
boat lines that have made them considerably stronger. The hulls
are a different design and the interior walls in the Maxum are composit
plastics instead of woods (major weight savings).
The stringer design is far different between the 2 boats as well (more
weight differences!) The Bayliner is actually
a LONGER boat than the 2800SCR which adds more weight. If you
actually look at the entire boat/preformance spec. you will find that
the Bayliner SHOULD weigh a LOT more than the Maxum but does not
because of the heaver construction in the Maxum.
RGrew176
>>Maxum 2800 SCR weighs in at 6630 lbs with the standard engine.
>>
>>Bayliner 2855 Ciera weighs in at 6763 lbs with the standard engine.
>>
>
>>above statement is not backed up by the facts.
>>Does that mean the Bayliners are better boats. Not at all. However Bayliners
>>have served me very well for the past 12 years.
>>
>>Just want to set the record straight
>How in the world did YOU turn this into a pissing match?
I really do not think I turned this into a pissing contest. The only one here
that seems to be pissed is you.
>Did you read
>my entire post?
I can ask the same of you, did you read my post.
>Now, the ADVERTISED weight means nothing.
You were the one that brought weight into this thread and now all of a sudden
WEIGHT means nothing. If it means nothing why put it in the thread. I only
addressed the weight issue and if you had read and comprehended my post you
would have seen that. Not once did I say Bayliners are better boats than
Maxum's although I do have an opinion on that.
>I have the 2800, my
>friend on the next slip has a 2855. I can walk across the bow of
>the Maxum without the fiberglass bending under my weight. If I do
>the same with the Bayliner it actually bows.
I weigh 195 and when I walk across the bow of my 2855 it does not flex, however
when a friend of mine does, he weighs 300 it does flex.
>The same is true of the
>hull if I press into the side of it with my hand.
True but also true of the Maxum,s, Larsons, Sea Rays, Rinkers and several other
boats I looked at when I attended the winter boat show in February. Almost
every hull I pushed my hand against flexed somewhat.
>Total weight means
>nothing.
Then why introduce it into this thread. It meant something when you first
posted it and suddenly when someone challenges that statement it means NOTHING.
>The Bayliner is actually
>a LONGER boat than the 2800SCR
True.
>If you
>actually look at the entire boat/preformance spec. you will find that
>the Bayliner SHOULD weigh a LOT more than the Maxum but does not
>because of the heaver construction in the Maxum.
The above statement is ambigous. The Bayliner should weigh more but does
not?????? The facts seem to disprove your statement. The Bayliners are heavier.
The 2088 Maxum has a centerline length of 28'8" and the Bayliner 2855 has a
centerline length of 30'3" so it does weigh slightly more.
Lets go one step further and compare the 30's.
Maxum 3000 SCR
Centerline length 32'8"
Beam 9'11"
Weight 10200 lbs
Bayliner 3055 Ciera
Centerline length 31'6"
Beam 11'0"
Weight 11741 lbs
Just for the heck of it.
Maxum 3200 SCR
Centerline length 34'9"
Beam 11'0"
Weight 10800 lbs
Again using your logic:>because of the heaver construction in the Maxum. The
Maxum should weigh more especially one that is over 3' longer.
In reality your statement that the weight means nothing is somewhat on track.
Construction methods may differ. Maxum is a very nice boat. There is still some
question as to whether or not Maxum's and Bayliners are the "same." Last summer
I went to a dealer in Traverse City Michigan who sells both Bayliner and Maxum
and I asked him are they really the same. He used this comparison. Maxum is to
Bayliner like Mercury is to Ford. They are slightly upscale boats and a Maxum
is a step up from a Bayliner. I do not disagree with that assessment. BTW that
dealer also said that both lines share many components and some of them are
built at the same plants on the same line.
Does this thread really mean anything? Probably not. I will enjoy my Bayliner
just as much as you will enjoy your Maxum. That is the real purpose of boating,
recreation. It really does not matter how you or I get from one place to
another just as long as the experience is enjoyed by each of us. Would I ever
buy a Maxum? It is not out of the realm of possibility. Safe boating to you and
yours.
TW
>thing about it. I saw a 1996 2400 SCR (which had been sold) at a local
>boat show and was impressed by the layout and size. I am now looking
>for one my self but would like to hear from anyone in the know about
>this boat. Some specific questions I have are:
>
>0) What year is your boat?
>1) What speed gives you best fuel economy.
Engine off, pole out, beer in hand
>2) What type of mileage does the boat get (with 5.7L)?
I have Carb'd 454, I'm afraid to look at economy with $1.80 gallon gas
prices
>3) What is the max speed?
about 45 MPH
>4) Is it comfortable enough for a few nights stay?
Stayed 10 days last year in Tahoe (1 person), 2-3 days with wife and 2 kids
is pushing it though.
>5) Any problems with the layout?
2700 has small mid-birth access hole. Makes wife closter-fobic (spelling)
>6) Any specific problems with the boat in general?
Boat is fine, I like fit and finish
>7) Can you stand up in the shower (I'm 5'11")
I'm 6'2", I can fit fine in the 2700 shower. I like being naked on the
transom shower better though. Kids think its funny watching dad try to hang
on to boat, hang on to shower head and be a little modest while hooting
about how cold the water is. Turn around you little munchkins!!
>8) How does it handle at speed
Handles Great!
>9) How does it handle at slow speed?
Does the usual lazy-S while putting, bravo3 makes handling a breeze
>10) how easy is docking with it?
This one depends more on the driver then the boat
>11) Do you find there is enough storage on board?
Tons
>12) What do you store the center cushion when the forward berth is setup
>as a table?
On mid-birth bed
>13) There is a water heater on board. How does it work (electric,
>engine heat, gas)?
Electric
>14) There seemed to be enough room next to the engine for a generator.
>Is that correct?
I installed inverter and batteries instead
>15) What is the draft on the boat?
I forget, go to http://www.maxumboats.com they'll have them all
>16) Is it practical to fish (troll) off the back of the boat (looks like
>people do)?
I've seen people troll, problem with that is that you also have to drive.
That's making fishing too much like work.
>17) What do you thing about the mid cabin berth (good or bad)?
I don't know to much of anything else.
>Anything other information you care to add would be greatly appreciated.
I looked at almost every brand of boat between 24-30 footers. I liked the
Sea Rays, but they were out of my price range. The Maxums had the best
price-quality ratio that I had seen. I'm an Engineering Consultant and have
dealt with most of the Aerospace, Marine and Automotive companies. So I
consider myself pretty knowledgable on manufacturing and quality issues. The
different use of spaces, materials and methods of how corners come together
in the interior, really tells me a lot on how much attention to detail a
company feels is important. I think the Maxum 2700 had the best head layout
and fit-finish of all the boats.
The Maxum dealer wanted to sell me the 2400 SCR because this was my very
first boat. He kept telling me the 2700 was too much boat to start with. I
stayed with the 2700 though. I am glad I did. I like having that bit more
space.
I am one happy dude with my Maxum. If you want to see a picture of my boat
follow this link>>> http://www.goldenoak.com/MyBoat
I wish you luck with whatever you buy.
Harry Krause
>
> Michael Nicolai wrote in message <37477B5B...@magicnet.net>...
> >If you own a Maxum 2400 SCR (Sun Cruiser), please let me know what you
> >thing about it. I saw a 1996 2400 SCR (which had been sold) at a local
> >boat show and was impressed by the layout and size. I am now looking
> >for one my self but would like to hear from anyone in the know about
> >this boat. Some specific questions I have are:
> >
>
>
> 2700 has small mid-birth access hole. Makes wife closter-fobic (spelling)
I guess you have to be *really* perverse to snicker at the first part of the
abovementioned reply and the juxtaposition of the second part.
First you berth, then you give birth? Never mind about the access.