Any VC 17M users?
Roger Long
The data sheet is a bit ambiguous. In one place it seems to say that
old paint should be sanded. In another is says sanding is not
necessary when the old paint is VC 17 M.
I think I remember the yard that put the VC 17 M over the VC 17 that
came with the boat saying that all that needed to be done is go over
the surface with a Scotch Brite pad.
Anybody out there successfully recoated with VC 17 M without sanding?
Last year's paint looks tight and solid. Sanding is a big deal in my
yard because we have to rent a vacuum sander and drape everything with
plastic.
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Roger Long
Larry
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
> Interlux
Boaters with money just can't help themselves. They gotta show it off....
Everyone who can afford multiple coats of Interlux covering the whole hull
raise their hands to be recognized....
How much is a gallon in Maine, Roger?
Roger Long
you saw my boat, you'd know that I've spent all my life around working
boats and am hardly a spit and polish kind of guy. Take a look
through my web site to see how far I will go to save a buck:)
This is bottom paint, up to the waterline only. It wouldn't have been
my first choice but extensive research by the yard last year turned up
the fact that it was the only kind that would go over the old paint
without a two and a half grand stripping job.
The reason for my question is to see if I can save $150 bucks this
year by not having the yard sand it, something I would do myself
except for my wrist problems. I can put my kids or friends to work
with wet Scotch Brite and buckets of water without the yard getting a
$50,000 fine if the EPA shows up.
I think I'm showing off my frugality and, in boating terms, relative
poverty.
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Roger Long
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Bjarke Christensen
environmental concerns. Then you will experience, that when in to comes to
antifouling that are environmental safe *and* effective, they are almost at
the price of VC17m. I know several sailors that use VC17m and are quite
satisfied.
Bjarke
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Flemming Torp
Denmark (salt water sailing):
We have been sailing an Albin Ballad (30 feet sail boat -
http://groups.msn.com/albin-ballad ) for 11 years and always used VC
17.
The bottom is - and has always been - very smooth/plain - whatever the
right word is ...
When we take the boat out of the water in October/November, we use
water, a brush and sometimes a 3M product (I don't know the name, but
it is also used on drilling machines as small round polishing disks)
in squared form on a bar and remove all "foreign objects" ... and
finally, we wash with fresh water.
In springtime (March/April) we wash again with a brush, and when the
"underwater hull and keel"/bottom is dry, we paint twice with a small
roller. It dries very fast (do not use it if the temperature is below
10 degrees centigrade), and you may leave your boat on land for a
pretty long time after having applied VC 17.
We have never had to sand the bottom since 1995, and the bottom is
still "as new" (the boat was built 1973!).
The major reason for using VC 17 in the first hand was the possibility
of having a very smooth/fast bottom (we used to race).
The major reason to day is, that it is very easy and fast to apply -
it is "as thin as water" ... and we are not very good a painting ...
When the bottom is painted it has a very nice "copper like" surface,
but as soon as the boat enters the water, it turns almost black ...
The only disadvantage we can find is the cost of using VC 17: In
Denmark it is more expensive than other types of bottom paints.
Best regards
Flemming Torp
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buff in the Spring.Generally, I don't believe it is rec'd for salt
water.It is very low in Cu and, you could always add more. I have had
medium to low results in the Ches. Good luck, it is good paint.
keith.k...@gmail.com
spots with Interlux 216 Thinner and went ahead with the painting. It's
worked great for me since 2000. This year I will only need to touch up
a few areas. I haven't had to paint the whole bottom in three years
and have always prepped the bottom the same way. A little 216 wiped
over a couple of spots that the pressure washer didn't get too clean is
all that I've ever needed to do. Good luck.
Keith
sdg
>
>I think I remember the yard that put the VC 17 M over the VC 17 that
>came with the boat saying that all that needed to be done is go over
>the surface with a Scotch Brite pad.
>
>Anybody out there successfully recoated with VC 17 M without sanding?
I have done this several times. On the north side of Lake Ontario, it is one of
the benefits of VC17. As a bottom-cote it works well enough and other than
smelly is quite easy to handle.
You will have washed the hull. Any funny/rough spots I touch with hand sand
paper.
Because the solvent is so volatile, some people either decant the mixed paint
into a disposable water/sport bottle so they can squeze out what they need. I
just use last year's can lid with a couple of holes punched in the top, so I can
pour out a couple of ounces onto the roller/tray and the rest does not evaporate
before my eyes.
Good Luck
sdg Bayfield 29 "Discovery"
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Larry
@twister.nyroc.rr.com:
> Very unfair, Larry.
Whoa! I was trying to make a joke about the price of marine paint, not
poke a stick at you....(c;
Sorry you mistook it...
Larry
være med K da jeg er dansker)> wrote in
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> Some day, only God knows when, even Americans will have to start to
> get some environmental concerns. Then you will experience, that when
> in to comes to antifouling that are environmental safe *and*
> effective, they are almost at the price of VC17m. I know several
> sailors that use VC17m and are quite satisfied.
>
>
I always find this greenie crap most amusing. Down the middle of the
Atlantic is a crack spewing millions of tons of some of the most toxic
gases and chemicals known, boiling the water into other poisons by the
millions of gallons.......
Then, there's you blaming some boater, American or not, about his paint job
on the bottom of the 28' sloops he fools with on weekends for polluting the
water.
Same hilarious nonsense as when he flushes his shitter into the sea, not
the tank. How many sea mammals shit in the water without regard to some
stupid government regulation? How many SHIPS?! Ships I was on flushed
straight out the bottom for all the years I was on them, even at the pier
at the Navy Base. The crabbing was amazing, right there by the piers...(c;
How many tons does a grey whale shit in one setting, anyways??
Don White
snip
> How many tons does a grey whale shit in one setting, anyways??
>
Yeah..but theirs probably isn't near as toxic as your effluent.
krj
Lauderdale that, according to Sundays newspaper, pump 300,000 gallons
PER DAY of treated sewage onto our coral reefs.
krj
Larry
@bignews3.bellsouth.net:
> And how about the cities of along the east coast of Florida around Ft.
> Lauderdale that, according to Sundays newspaper, pump 300,000 gallons
> PER DAY of treated sewage onto our coral reefs.
> krj
>
Another thing I'll never figure out is why human shit is so toxic and
whale/dolphin/manatee shit isn't.
If we kill all the manatees, won't Florida waterways be cleaner??...(c;
Gordon
for past milleniums without too much harm!
G
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Gordon
into the Straits of Juan de Puca with no apparent problems!
G
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krj
fertilizers used on lawns, oil run off from dripping cars, phosphates,
etc. that is toxic mixed with everything else.
krj
Larry
@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
> It's not the human crap that is toxic, it's the nitrogen from
> fertilizers used on lawns, oil run off from dripping cars, phosphates,
> etc. that is toxic mixed with everything else.
>
Well? There's none of that stuff in a sailboat toilet. So, why can't we
just pump it overboard like the whales, manatees and dolphins do?
STupid isn't it?
krj
krj
Bjarke Christensen
polution. You just don't get. If your shit is so healthy why do you flush it
out the toilet ? Try eat it !!
Out of sight, out of mind .... Or what ?? Your should be a little more proud
of you country and take more care of it ...
/Bjarke
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rhys
wrote:
>I'm about to paint the bottom with another coat of Interlux VC 17 M.
>The data sheet is a bit ambiguous. In one place it seems to say that
>old paint should be sanded. In another is says sanding is not
>necessary when the old paint is VC 17 M.
>
>I think I remember the yard that put the VC 17 M over the VC 17 that
>came with the boat saying that all that needed to be done is go over
>the surface with a Scotch Brite pad.
>
>Anybody out there successfully recoated with VC 17 M without sanding?
My wife used a Scotch Brite pad on VC17 last week and put on VC 17M
over it with no visible problems. Looks fine, if a little thin. A
second coat will be needed before launch.
YMMV
R.
rhys
Roger, I didn't realize you were in salt. VC17 and 17M didn't fare
well in a Practical Sailor review a couple of issues back. I use it in
Lake Ontario because it works here well with the zebra mussels and
slime, but it's only 20% copper. Other bottom paints might do better
in New England.
R.
Roger Long
performance but I'm stuck with it until I want to tackle the big and
expensive project of stripping the hull.
OTOH, the spring reapplication is quite easy and an attractive
feature. Overall, it might be less trouble to give it a scrub mid
season than deal with the sanding mess that other paints require.
As a cruiser, I was only just starting to notice the loss of
performance in September.
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Roger Long
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rhys
wrote:
>You're quite right. This isn't the paint I would use for maximum
>performance but I'm stuck with it until I want to tackle the big and
>expensive project of stripping the hull.
>
>OTOH, the spring reapplication is quite easy and an attractive
>feature. Overall, it might be less trouble to give it a scrub mid
>season than deal with the sanding mess that other paints require.
>
>As a cruiser, I was only just starting to notice the loss of
>performance in September.
I can't argue with your logic, Roger. Assuming the water there ever
gets bearable (or you anchor in a shallow pond that gets warm), just
anchor on a calm day in six-six of water and get the family over the
side with the appropriate squeegees, etc.
Of coruse, the best solution is to keep the boat moving enough that
growth doesn't take hold. This is regrettably not always possible...
R.