Vancouver 27
John Roche
newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a typo.
jmr
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Russell Easby-Smith
wrote on 5/17/01 7:26 AM:
> Can anyone confirm the actual standing headroom in a Vancouver 27 (not the
> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a typo.
Looking at photos of it I can beleive it, but not thoughtout, just in that
big ugly bump in the deckhouse in the middle of the boat. And one of the
brokerage listings on yachtworld confirms the 6'6" headroom as well.
Russell
Armond Perretta
"John Roche" <jro...@bway.net> wrote ...
>
> Can anyone confirm the actual standing headroom in a Vancouver 27 (not the
> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a
> typo.
I sailed for a while in Florida in company with a chap who owned this
design. The layout is a little unusual and features what people might still
call a doghouse cabin. I don't know the exact headroom, but whatever
headroom it has is only available in a very small part of the aft end of the
accommodation. The after part of the layout featured a galley to port and a
small nav area to starboard. In any case I could stand up there and I'm
just under 6'3".
You may be interested in a book called "Cruises with Kathleen" that
describes a trip around the Gulf Coast and a few other location in this
boat. The author is mystery writer Donald Hamilton. For a review see:
http://web2.iadfw.net/dbenish/hamilton/cruises.html
For info on the boat, check here:
http://www.northshore.co.uk/archive/vancouvr/van27.htm
--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
http://members.tripod.com/kerrydeare
John Roche
boat (24-28) but this really gave me pause. The BWS review was quite
favorable, though i've never seen one. I could live with an ugly bump to be
able to stand up straight, even in just part of the cabin (me=6'4"+her=5'2")
ANy one have experience with this boat, or even seen one?
john
Russell Easby-Smith wrote on 5/17/01 10:54 AM:
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Capt. Neal®
you are likely to find. It has a deep-sectioned, full-keeled
hull and the headroom is probably as advertised.
Go for it!
"John Roche" <jro...@bway.net> wrote in message
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Giles Morris
> I had pretty much written off standing headroom in my search for my first
> boat (24-28) but this really gave me pause. The BWS review was quite
> favorable, though i've never seen one. I could live with an ugly bump to
be
> able to stand up straight, even in just part of the cabin
(me=6'4"+her=5'2")
>
> ANy one have experience with this boat, or even seen one?
I've never seen the 27, either, but I own a Vancouver 25, and the headroom
specified for the 25 is 6ft 4in. Better yet, the headroom is carried
throughout the cabin. From a purely objective, and strictly unbiased, point
of view I would say that the V-25 is about the most beautiful sailboat of
the size in existence (:-)).
I have a bit more information about her at the Boats section of my website
at http://www.angelfire.com/art/2by4/Boats/Index.html
(choose Sailing now and follow links for Dolphin).
Giles Morris
Brian Mitchell
> Can anyone confirm the actual standing headroom in a Vancouver 27 (not the
> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a
typo.
>
>
> jmr
>
UK and then by Northshore Yachts - they may have been built in the USA too I
don't know. They are great boats, very seaworthy and many have made long
passages and even circumnavigated. They're regarded as a modern day classic.
I almost purchased one recently before settling for a different boat
altogether. There are a few facts and figures on the Northshore website but
I didn't notice any reference to headroom, I recollect there was standing
headroom throughout most of the boat - I'm 6 feet tall.
http://www.northshore.co.uk/archive/archive.htm
HTH Brian.
Bill
Nice boat that Vancouver 25, very beautiful.
Bill
"Giles Morris" <Giles....@usadot.net> wrote in message
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Giles Morris
> Hello Giles:
>
> Nice boat that Vancouver 25, very beautiful.
Thank you. :-)
Giles
Capt. Neal®
http://www.northshore.co.uk/archive/vancouvr/van27.htm
Your Vancouver 25 is not from the same manfacturer. REAL
Vancouvers were manufactured in Canada.
Your little double-ender is not of the same calibur as the
Vancouver 27 when it comes to offshore voyaging. It looks more
like a poor man's Westsail 32.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
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"Giles Morris" <Giles....@usadot.net> wrote in message
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Russell Easby-Smith
Capt...@Bigboot.com wrote on 5/17/01 3:36 PM:
> Your Vancouver 25 is not from the same manfacturer. REAL
> Vancouvers were manufactured in Canada.
Despite the name, I didn't think they were ever built in Canada. They were
originally built in the UK and then later in the USA according to the
current manufacturers website. Could you tell me about this Canadian
builder your speaking of?
Russell
Capt. Neal®
"The first boat to this design was built (in Canada) for a
Canadian couple to sail from Vancouver (British Columbia,
Canada) to New Zealand. She was the first production pocket
ocean cruiser and she was a great success with a number also
built in the USA."
also a new link has even more info:
http://www.mistweb.force9.co.uk/content/rusalka.html
As stated, some few were built in Sussex, England by Pheon
Yachts. These, however, were not as well-built as the
Canadian and U.S. examples.
I hope this helps.
Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
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"Russell Easby-Smith" <reasbysmi...@biap.com> wrote in
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Russell Easby-Smith
Capt...@Bigboot.com wrote on 5/17/01 4:21 PM:
> "The first boat to this design was built (in Canada) for a
> Canadian couple to sail from Vancouver (British Columbia,
> Canada) to New Zealand. She was the first production pocket
> ocean cruiser and she was a great success with a number also
> built in the USA."
>
> also a new link has even more info:
>
> http://www.mistweb.force9.co.uk/content/rusalka.html
>
> As stated, some few were built in Sussex, England by Pheon
> Yachts. These, however, were not as well-built as the
> Canadian and U.S. examples.
According to the very link you posted just now the original Canadian built
ones were of wood and the original fiberglass ones were made in the UK. Are
you saying the wooden versions are better boats? Honestly Neal, I am
thinking you have no clue as to what your talking about and are just piecing
together information from websites and then making up a conclusion that
Canadian built ones are better.
Oh, and just because a boat was made for a Canadian couple doesn't mean it
was built in Canada, and quoting website text and inserting your own text
into it to make yourself look right does not actually make you correct.
Russell
Capt. Neal®
Sometimes you get the bear; sometimes the bear gets you! Good
going, bear.
Giles Morris
> Your Vancouver 25 is not from the same manfacturer. REAL
> Vancouvers were manufactured in Canada
(Sorry, I didn't see this until somebody responded -- Neal is not permitted
to enter Chez Mois. Having said that...)
This is about as true as most of your pseudo-information. The Vancouver
series is so called because Robert Harris lived there. Nothing to do with
the place of building. Many were (and are) built in yards all over the Far
East, and mine happened to be built in Taiwan. Others are built in England.
The kernel of truth in your opinion is that yes, there is a Vancouver in
Canada (well done).
> These, however, were not as well-built as the
> Canadian and U.S. examples
Even if there were such things, how would you know?
Now $#@! off!
"Respectfully" (hah!)
Giles Morris
Capt. Neal®
> Now $#@! off!
Yes, sir!
jean somerhausen
remember well) was built in wood; it was meant to be the plug to make
the mold for the ensuing fiberglass construction. My main objection to
the V 27 is that it's a sandwich construction which does not ensure
longevity of the hull (wate absorption and subsequent delamination of
the core)
john
Steve
#3) by Donald Hamilton and "Best Boats to Build or Buy by Ferenc Mate'.
Hull #3 was built in Vancouver BC and was fiberglass.
According to my second reference, AIREX foam core was optional.
"Hull lay-up specifications: Gel coat, 15 to 20 thous.-- skinout-mat--
hardened--1 1/2oz. mat and 18 oz roving-- hardened-- 1 1/2 oz mat and 24 oz
roving-- 1 1/2 oz mat and 24 oz roving-- 1 1/2 oz mat and 24 oz roving to 6
inches above the waterline-- 1 1/2 oz mat and 24 oz roving keel cavity to
feet up the hull sides-- Airex foam core-- available as an extra."
Steve
s/v Good Intentions
Armond Perretta
"jean somerhausen" <diplo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote ...
>
> Actually, the first Vancouver 27 built in England (in 1973 or 74, if I
> remember well) was built in wood; it was meant to be the plug to make
> the mold for the ensuing fiberglass construction. My main objection to
> the V 27 is that it's a sandwich construction which does not ensure
> longevity of the hull (wate absorption and subsequent delamination of
> the core)
Despite the many good characteristics of this boat, it is worth mentioning
that her performance is not particularly outstanding when compared with
other vessels in her size range. Donald Hamilton makes very clear mention
of this in his book.
On both occasions that I went sailing on this design in Florida, she felt
just a bit mopey to me. She could use a bit more stick, it seems. The high
freeboard doesn't help performance either. Nonetheless she really has a
"shippy" and seaworthy feel, and her looks are OK once you get used to them.
It would be hard to imagine her breaking up in coastal or even most offshore
conditions.
Bill
"Armond Perretta" <ngre...@REMOVEmindspring.com> wrote in message
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But surely it is a much better sailboat than the tub that you claim to sail!
<VBG>
Fair winds,
Bill
Jeff
> Russell Easby-Smith wrote:
> Honestly Neal, I am
> thinking you have no clue as to what your talking about
A little slow, Russ, but you are catching on.
Jeff
Evan Gatehouse & Diane Selkirk
> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a
typo.
No way. We had friends with one (cruised with them in Mexico). I'm 6'2"
and could just stand up comfortably in the aft part of the raised cabin but
not in the forward cabin.
By the way, they were definitely built in Vancouver, Canada, by 2 different
builders. The building shed was near our old marina and still had a faded
sign on it in '95.
They are a bit pokey though, in sailing qualities. Our rather fat Fortune
30 could easily outpace it (and a Westsail 28) in light winds. I rather
think that this was because all 3 boats were equally overloaded, but the
smaller 2 boat's displacement were raised by a larger %...
--
Evan Gatehouse
John Roche
>> Can anyone confirm the actual standing headroom in a Vancouver 27 (not the
>> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a
>> typo.
> No way. We had friends with one (cruised with them in Mexico). I'm 6'2"
> and could just stand up comfortably in the aft part of the raised cabin but
> not in the forward cabin.
Man this is getting confusing. I've found at least 4 separate sources that
support the 6'6" headroom (the review and 3 boat ads). Granted, what ever
the max headroom is, it's probably not the same throughout.
John Roche
>
> John Roche <jro...@bway.net> wrote in message
> news:B7292D9D.4B1E%jro...@bway.net...
>> Can anyone confirm the actual standing headroom in a Vancouver 27 (not the
>> newer 28)? I read a review in BWS that claimed 6'6" which seems like a
> typo.
>
> No way. We had friends with one (cruised with them in Mexico). I'm 6'2"
> and could just stand up comfortably in the aft part of the raised cabin but
> not in the forward cabin.
Damn... clipped off my last reply- wanted to add:
Wondering if there was a variation in headroom in different model years,
which would not be all that uncommon.
john
Armond Perretta
"Bill" <Bi...@home.com> wrote ...
> "Armond Perretta" <ngre...@REMOVEmindspring.com> wrote ...
> >
> > ... [the Vancouver 27] ... has a "shippy" and seaworthy feel, and her
> > looks are OK once you get used to them. It would be hard to imagine her
> > breaking up in coastal or even most offshore conditions.
>
> But surely it is a much better sailboat than the tub that you claim to
> sail!
>
The tub I _claim_ to sail is "Antonisia," a 126 foot wood/epoxy composite
sloop built in East Boothbay and launched about a year ago. You may have
seen her featured in any number of yachting publications. She is
presently in the Med.
The tub I _actually_ sail is a 20+ year old not quite worn out plastic 28
foot sloop built in New England by a Greek immigrant. Make no mistake about
it, Bill, she _do_ get sailed.
Warmest regards,
Armond
JAXAshby
You put a radar on a homemade, 20 year old, 28 foot boat? A boat you sail on
extremely shallow, well protected Barnegat Bay?
For the money you spent on radar (let us, you didn't buy el cheapo JVC radar
either), you could have bought a good sail or two or three for that boat.
Rluby
>>foot sloop built in New England by a Greek immigrant. Make no mistake about
>>it, Bill, she _do_ get sailed.
>>
Wouldn't be a Cape Dory 28, would it?
Armond Perretta
"Rluby" <rl...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote ..
>
> >>The tub I _actually_ sail is a 20+ year old not quite worn out plastic
>
> Wouldn't be a Cape Dory 28, would it?
Sounds about right.
--
Good luck and good sailing.
s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat
Lloyd Sumpter
>> "Capt". NealŽ wrote:
>
>> Your Vancouver 25 is not from the same manfacturer. REAL
>> Vancouvers were manufactured in Canada
>
> (Sorry, I didn't see this until somebody responded -- Neal is not
> permitted to enter Chez Mois. Having said that...)
>
> This is about as true as most of your pseudo-information. The Vancouver
> series is so called because Robert Harris lived there. Nothing to do with
> the place of building. Many were (and are) built in yards all over the Far
> East, and mine happened to be built in Taiwan. Others are built in
> England. The kernel of truth in your opinion is that yes, there is a
> Vancouver in Canada (well done).
>
(Having lived most of my life in Vancouver...)
If the Vancouver 27 was ever built in Vancouver, it hasn't been in the
last 20 years. We DO build some execllent boats here (Double-Eagle,
Hourston, Maple Leaf, Sceptre...even some Cal 25's were built in North Van,
but weren't as good as the Calif. models), but the Vanouver 27 isn't one of
them.
Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36
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Steve
in 1980 and his Vancouver 27 was hull #3. The book mentions that she was
Canadian built and also that she was launched False Creek Marina.
It has been a few years since I read the book and I can't find any reference
to which yard built this boat.
Also the designer, Bob Harris was a resident of Vancouver at that time.
Steve
s/v Good Intentions
Evan Gatehouse & Diane Selkirk
>
> Wondering if there was a variation in headroom in different model years,
> which would not be all that uncommon.
>
> john
That's certainly possible, what with 2 Vancouver builders, different
headliner thickness, cabin sole position, etc. etc.
--
Evan Gatehouse
Terry K
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Nice try, maybe later?
Terry K
John Roche
jmr
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Jim Burgoyne
So many different layouts, but standing headroom (my wife and I are sure it was 6’2) in a small area that included the galley.