How SLOW is a Lido 14?
Kevin Clark
meets the following criteria:
- Hold a family of 4 (or more)
- Is very stable and unlikely to capsize
- Can be trailered and set up easily
- Has class support should I get into racing someday
- Goes reasonably fast in 10-15 knot winds
- Cost of not more than $2000 for a serviceable used boat
I've found a Lido 14 for sale, and this boat seems to meet most of these
criteria. The one thing I'm not sure of is it's speed. I realize it is
a "low-performance" dinghy, but
1. How slow is it compared to other sailboats? (Ex...DaySailor,
Flying Scot, Sunfish)
2. Does anyone know the Portsmouth Yardstick handicap numbers for
this boat?
I've also talked to the local Flying Scot club rep, and of course, he
thinks the Flying Scot would be a better choice for me. This would
probably stretch my budget up into the $3K range, which is doable, but a
tough sell to my wife. A bigger concern is that I plan to trailer this
boat and am worried that the rigging and loading of such a big (19')
boat would be too much (especially if it's just me and my 2 small boys
going out). I'm told the FS is a much faster boat, though, and it has
room for 6 which could come in handy from time to time.
3. Should I consider a Flying Scot?
Thanks!
Kevin Clark
Dallas, Texas
bw...@lehigh.edu
lcatel.com> writes:
>I'm thinking of buying my first sailboat. I'm looking for a boat that
>meets the following criteria:
>
>- Hold a family of 4 (or more)
>- Is very stable and unlikely to capsize
>- Can be trailered and set up easily
>- Has class support should I get into racing someday
>- Goes reasonably fast in 10-15 knot winds
>- Cost of not more than $2000 for a serviceable used boat
>
>I've found a Lido 14 for sale, and this boat seems to meet most of these
>criteria. The one thing I'm not sure of is it's speed. I realize it is
> 1. How slow is it compared to other sailboats? (Ex...DaySailor,
>Flying Scot, Sunfish)
> 2. Does anyone know the Portsmouth Yardstick handicap numbers for
>this boat?
>
>I've also talked to the local Flying Scot club rep, and of course, he
>thinks the Flying Scot would be a better choice for me. This would
>probably stretch my budget up into the $3K range, which is doable, but a
>tough sell to my wife. A bigger concern is that I plan to trailer this
>boat and am worried that the rigging and loading of such a big (19')
>boat would be too much (especially if it's just me and my 2 small boys
>going out). I'm told the FS is a much faster boat, though, and it has
>room for 6 which could come in handy from time to time.
> 3. Should I consider a Flying Scot
Portsmouth ratings (1995), larger numbers are slower:
Lido 14 99.6
Flying Scot 90.3
DaySailer 99.9
Sunfish (recreational rigged) 103.1
The problem with the Flying Scot is that it is not self rescuing, though every
other recently built boat is either self rescuing, or better, self bailing.
This is quite contrary to their advertising and near religious following that
thinks of it as a safe family boat. It's also big and heavy.
The Lido 14 is a nice boat, as is a DaySailer. Both are less stable than a
Scot, but much easier to recover from a capsize. If you eventually want to
race, then you MUST get a boat that is raced in your area. Otherwise get a
boat that you like.
Brent
Benson Sails
6558 Blue Church Rd S
Coopersburg, PA 18036
610 282-3611
Palmer Davis
> boat and am worried that the rigging and loading of such a big (19')
The Scot really isn't that much of a handful for a boat of its size.
The one caveat that I'll attach to this is that the "optional" mast
hinge really is vitally necessary if you trailer; it turns raising
and lowering the mast from a chore into a very easy procedure --
you just plug the mast into the hinge, and one person cranks the
winch while the other makes sure that the mast doesn't fall to
the side while being cranked. Not much strength is needed for
either job.
> I'm told the FS is a much faster
> boat, though, and it has room for 6 which could come in handy from
> time to time.
Room for six, plus those two small boys, plus storage for a very
well provided picnic for all aboard. The cockpit area rivals that
on many 30 footers. And yes, it's much faster -- faster than most
small keelboats of close to its size, and it can keep up with a
Flying Dutchman when going downwind.
> 3. Should I consider a Flying Scot?
Absolutely. They're wonderful boats, especially for a family,
and the class is very strong in your area.
--
Palmer Davis <pal...@secant.com>
Secant Technologies * 4853 Galaxy Parkway * Cleveland OH 44128
Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote:
>
>on many 30 footers. And yes, it's much faster -- faster than most
>small keelboats of close to its size, and it can keep up with a
>Flying Dutchman when going downwind.
>
This stretches my credulity to the breaking point. Please add the
qualifiers to this statement. Perhaps you could quote the Portsmouth
numbers of FS and FD for a reality check.
Marcus Ward
>This stretches my credulity to the breaking point. Please add the
>qualifiers to this statement. Perhaps you could quote the Portsmouth
>numbers of FS and FD for a reality check.
Rodney,
Having sailed on the same lake as many FS I'm inclined to not believe it
as well. However, portsmouth numbers don't indicate downwind speed, only
overall performance, so maybe we can get an FD and an FS and have a drag
race. :)
FD: 79.9
FS: 90.3
-Marcus Ward
Rodney Myrvaagnes
<mkw6...@cmsu2.cmsu..spamless.edu> wrote:
> Having sailed on the same lake as many FS I'm inclined to not believe it
>as well. However, portsmouth numbers don't indicate downwind speed, only
>overall performance, so maybe we can get an FD and an FS and have a drag
>race. :)
>
I realize that. I just wanted some context. I understand the FD now
has a spinnaker of respectable size. It was always fast upwind.
We called them "Flying Truckmen" back in the '60s, when I sailed 505s,
but we didn't call FS anything, or even think about it. :-)
kpk...@acpub.duke.edu
>
> > A bigger concern is that I plan to trailer this
> > boat and am worried that the rigging and loading of such a big (19')
> > boat [as a Flying Scot] would be too much (especially if it's just
> > me and my 2 small boys going out).
>
> The Scot really isn't that much of a handful for a boat of its size.
> The one caveat that I'll attach to this is that the "optional" mast
> hinge really is vitally necessary if you trailer; it turns raising
> and lowering the mast from a chore into a very easy procedure --
> you just plug the mast into the hinge, and one person cranks the
> winch while the other makes sure that the mast doesn't fall to
> the side while being cranked. Not much strength is needed for
> either job.
Umm, there's a bit more to it than that. There's a lot of stuff to hook
up first and afterwards, and remember you need a small stepladder to
climb into the boat when it's on the trailer. Lido 14s probably don't
need the stepladder, and raising the mast is a one-handed push.
I can rig & launch our Johnson 18 singlehanded more quickly than any
couple I've ever seen deal with a Scot- and I have to pull off the hull
covers first!
>
> > I'm told the FS is a much faster
> > boat, though, and it has room for 6 which could come in handy from
> > time to time.
>
> Room for six, plus those two small boys, plus storage for a very
> well provided picnic for all aboard. The cockpit area rivals that
> on many 30 footers. And yes, it's much faster -- faster than most
> small keelboats of close to its size, and it can keep up with a
> Flying Dutchman when going downwind.
Rrring!! I think we just heard from a true-blue Class Zealot!
While a Flying Scot is not particularly slow unless it encounters a chop
which disagrees with its rather bluff bows, it is hardly in the Flying
Dutchman class. There is about ten points difference in their Portsmouth
ratings. Furthermore, the Flying Scot spinnaker is both too small to
pull much dead downwind and too baggy for hot reaches. Good points: it
doesn't require much muscle from the crew.
In short, the Scot is not as much faster than the Lido as the Dutchman
is faster than the Scot.
Furthermore they are neither self-bailing nor self-rescuing. While it is
fairly difficult to capsize one, it does happen regularly and it's
always a calamity for those formerly aboard needing the service of a
rescue craft.
However, the Flying Scot is a fairly good light-air boat. And it really
is roomy and stable.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
frank....@neurondata.com
Kevin Clark <nospam_...@aud.alcatel.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking of buying my first sailboat. I'm looking for a boat that
> meets the following criteria:
>
> - Hold a family of 4 (or more)
> - Is very stable and unlikely to capsize
> - Can be trailered and set up easily
> - Has class support should I get into racing someday
> - Goes reasonably fast in 10-15 knot winds
> - Cost of not more than $2000 for a serviceable used boat
I think a 17' O'Day DaySailer would be a very good choice. I bought one
some months ago, and it's a very nice boat for family daysailing and fleet
racing. We have three young children, and they love playing or having a nap
in the open cuddy. The boat is very stable, easily rigged, and there are
active racing fleets all around the U.S. Take a look at www.daysailer.org,
and contact the regional VP in your area, he can probably help you locate a
used boat.
Regards
Franck Mangin
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Paul Kamen
Is the O'Day Daysailer in production again?
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frank....@neurondata.com
Sure, it is currently built by Cape Cod Shipbuilding
(http://www.four.net/~ccsb/ccsbhp.html), and the class association is
currently looking for a builder on the West coast.
Jere Lull
> In article <fishmealE...@netcom.com>,
> fish...@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) wrote:
> >
> > Is the O'Day Daysailer in production again?
>
> Sure, it is currently built by Cape Cod Shipbuilding
> (http://www.four.net/~ccsb/ccsbhp.html), and the class association is
> currently looking for a builder on the West coast.
It's so NICE to see this boat back in what seems to be capable hands.
[Much as I love the Laser, I didn't think much of AMF/Sunfish/Laser..]
Crewed them a couple of times and they were fun, capable and suitable for
the family on non-race days.
--
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David Lackey
Lido 14 is a very good choice. They are primarily built for two. If you do
get one after all and need the portsmouth handicapping I can get it for you.
Just don't have it in front of me.