Nelson/Marek information please...
Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775)
Hello...
I am chacking out a used Nelson/Marek 45, built by Morgan in the mid
80's. I was wondering if anyone had any information on this boat. Did
N/M work with Morgan before they went out on their own with the N/M 36,
and N/M 43? Is this boat fast? What is it's PHRF? Also what
performance differences would there be for a model with a
Keel/Centerboard, or just a fin keel. Any owners or past owners out
there??
I appreciate the help and information...
Marc Lefebvre
lefe...@ultranet.com
Mark B Fay
Well I can give you some Nelson/Marek decedent info. It
seems the Nelson/Marek blood line spawned several regular Morgan
decendents. Warren at the Morgan Largo plant puts it this way,
"Frank Butler & Doug Green crossed a corvett (Nelson/Marek) with
a minivan and came up with the 43 classic, 42 CC, 44 CC & 45 CC."
From what I am told the Nelson/Marek series are dedicated
OSR (Off Shore Racer) hulls with minimum head, galley & sleeping
facilities with LOTS OF SAIL STORAGE. Cruisers need not apply.
Morgan took the basic hull shape, rigging and other lines
and civilized it for a cruiser. Full galley, two cabins, two heads
with a full soloon. There were some compromises of performance for
improved comfort and interior room. However this was kept to a
minimum. Drawing from this, I can say if my 44 CC is any indication,
the Nelson/Marek 45 is a mover, responsive and quit agile with
excellent sea keeping. Mine weighs in at 13 tons which isn't "HEAVY"
but it isn't underweight either. You're talking a hunk of boat here.
My Morgan 44 CC is constantly being mistaken for a Nelson/Marek.
--
Mark Fay
Home OS/2 Merlin User ISDN & BitSurfer Pro
S/V Enough Morgan 44 CC No. 1051223
Joe Ozelis
On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775) wrote:
> I am chacking out a used Nelson/Marek 45, built by Morgan in the mid
> 80's. I was wondering if anyone had any information on this boat. Did
I sailed on a racing version in 1985. It was a Nelsom/Marek design that
Morgan Yachts built for their "performance" line, in addition to the 36.
The race version was basically your standard vanilla stripped out interior
w/ pipe bunks, minimalist galley, open forepeak, etc. Deck layout consisted
of a small cabin trunk, and split cockpit (trimmers forward, driver/
runners aft, no coaming/seats). Masthead SparCrap rig, triple spreaders w/
runners and checks, continuous Navtetc rigging. Hydraulic Vang, backstay,
and flattener. Small E, big J. Not as competitive as a full-blown one-off
45 footer, but cheaper. Construction quality was... er.... average. Lake
Michigan PHRF rating was about 42-45 - IOR MK III was about 34.0
They built a cruising version with larger cabin, better interior, beefier
2-spreader rig, and w/ a shoal draft K/CB option. Cruising veriosn are
available for less than 80K - race versions can be had for free.
As a historical note, I believe these boats were the first production
builds of an N/M design. They were built from 1983 to (maybe) 1986.
Joe Ozelis
Sailboat Sales Co.
Performance Yacht Sales
www.sailboatsalesco.com
Skip
>Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775) wrote:
>> Is this boat fast? What is it's PHRF? Also what
>> performance differences would there be for a model with a
>> Keel/Centerboard, or just a fin keel.
The N/M 45 is a big 45 footer, with a big rig. The boat is fast,
and especially likes to go to windward at 7 plus knots with seakindly
habits. The keel version draws over 8 feet, which makes many cruising
holes off limits.
The interior has a lot of room. The caveat to all this is the
construction, which I would call medium at best. All the systems would
be suspect, not only because of age, but because they were possibly
flawed to begin with. The engine installation has especially
questionable details.
The PHRF rating would be uncertain, due to the variables of prop
selection, jib overlap, centerboard/keel, etc. The boat is about as
fast as a 50 foot Swan. If you have time and money to spend on a
project, this would be a good design to play with.
Skip
Wylie-27 "WILDFLOWER"
Capitola, CA
Michael O. Silverthorne
I don't have the 45' PHRF but the N/M 43 is 6 and the N/M 46 (ILC-46) is -21 ,
these are out of my 1995 Lake Michigan PHRF book. So yea I would say they are
real fast for there size.
Mike s/v No Se' WD9EOU
Marc A. Lefebvre (US-775) wrote:
> Hello...
>
> I am chacking out a used Nelson/Marek 45, built by Morgan in the mid
> 80's. I was wondering if anyone had any information on this boat. Did
> N/M work with Morgan before they went out on their own with the N/M 36,
> and N/M 43? Is this boat fast? What is it's PHRF? Also what
> performance differences would there be for a model with a
Joe Ozelis
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Michael O. Silverthorne wrote:
> I don't have the 45' PHRF but the N/M 43 is 6 and the N/M 46 (ILC-46) is -21 ,
> these are out of my 1995 Lake Michigan PHRF book. So yea I would say they are
> real fast for there size.
These are the more recent (1993 & 1996, respectively) N/M designs built by
Carroll Marine in Brsitol, RI. They are IMS designs. The Morgan-built
N/M's were IOR designs built in the early-mid 80's, and are significantly
slower.
rob macfarlane
Hi Marc -
Sounds like you're looking at a cruising version of the Morgan N/M 45.
I own a 1983 N/M 45 IOR two-tonner, built by Morgan Marine. This
particular boat was the factory race boat and was sold via a
receivership company to a fellow in San Diego, California after Morgan
went bankrupt. I purchased the boat just over a year ago and it's now
here in San Francisco.
Be aware there are several versions of the boat - a racer, a cruiser, a
Catalina Yachts completely different boat (though that came later).
What I have is a tall rig, deep fin stripped out IOR racer - which is a
completely different animal than the Morgan-modified cruising version.
Bruce Nelson told me the hull was designed for Morgan so Morgan could
try and duplicate the Beneteau success with taking a "winning" offshore
racing hull, replace the deck and interior with a more cruiser-friendly
one and sell lots of them. Didn't work out well. I've heard they built
12-14 of the racers and perhaps 40 of the cruisers.
Nelson/Marek is a design team and has *nothing* to do with Morgan
Marine.
The boat is fast - though not an ultralight by any means. It's an old
racer. Easy to steer (a 5' diameter wheel is nice), drives well in
light air, points very high upwind and goes downwind in the rolly-poly
fashion we all love so much about IOR.
PHRF in San Francisco Bay is 48.
I wouldn't buy a centerboard boat. The upwind performance is poor
compare to the 8' draft of the deep fin. Off the wind you might gain
something with the centerboard provided the hull form is good.
- rob macfarlane