J/36 versus J/35
Alden Bugly
Race/cruise: What's the matter with a J/36? Why is the J/35 so much
more popular (and expensive)?
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Rodney Myrvaagnes
In message <32D00B...@clark.net> - Alden Bugly <bu...@clark.net> writes:
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:>Race/cruise: What's the matter with a J/36? Why is the J/35 so much
The J35 is a popular one-design class. If you want to race, it is worth the
premium on that count alone. Also, all J36 were built in 1981 AFIK. the J35
was introduced in 1983, and most are much newer.
The J35 reused the deck and hull moldings of the J36, but is quite different
in other ways. It has far less structure inside the hull bracing the keel,
which may make it more vulnerable in a grounding.
The J35 mast is shorter and lighter, and the keel is a little deeper. THe
difference in pitching moment makes the J35 feel like a dinghy compared to
the 36. I find the J35 has a more pleasant motion over waves.
The mast is farther aft on th e35, and the spinnaker is correspondingly
bigger. THe masthead forestay on the 35 is about the same height as the
fractional jib on the 36, but J is bigger.
The main on the 36 is much larger, almost 7 feet longer hoist and 1 foot
longer foot.
The spreaders are swept back on the 36, not on the 35. Both masts bend to
flatten the upper part of the main.
Both boats discourage stowing anything near the ends of the boat. THere are
no lazarette hatches except for a propane locker.
THe interior of the 36 is more "yachty" than the 35, but in a strange way. It
has an enclosed head, but forward are two pipe berths, no Vberth. There is a
stainless steel ladder to the forward hatch. However, there is cedar ceiling
on the inside of the hull, where the J35 is covered with fabric, like a J24.
J36 came with a wheel standard. J35 usually has a tiller.
J36 has gates in lifelines, stern ladder, all standard.
With Dacron sails, J36 is a squirrelly handful in gusty air. Modern plastic
sails and quickvang make it manageable. J35 is like driving a baby carriage.
It does whatever you want, almost as soon as you think of it.
Hope this helps. If you want more, email me off line. I am quite familiar
with both boats. We chartered J35s, wheel and tiller, for all our vacations
for 5 years before buying a J36.
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a rod...@ibm.net
20 years without a car, a TV, or a home page
Bruce Ferguson
Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote:
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> In message <32D00B...@clark.net> - Alden Bugly <bu...@clark.net> writes:
> :>
> :>Race/cruise: What's the matter with a J/36? Why is the J/35 so much
> :>more popular (and expensive)?
A Simple way to paraphrase the difference between the J-36 and the J-35
is the J-35 is more racer than cruiser, the J-36 more cruiser than
racer. In general the J-35 has more tricks to play with than the J-36.
Bruce
PS: the J-36 is one foot longer because there is a normal transom, vs
straight transom on the J-35, other than that the hulls are supposed to
be identical. Most of the differences are in rig and furnishings.
Rodney Myrvaagnes
On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 20:58:37 +1000, Bruce Ferguson <bfer...@c031.aone.net.au> wrote:
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>PS: the J-36 is one foot longer because there is a normal transom, vs
>straight transom on the J-35, other than that the hulls are supposed to
>be identical. Most of the differences are in rig and furnishings.
Both use the same hull and deck moldings. The transoms on both slope in such a way that the backstay chainplate is in line with the masthead. There is not a whole foot length difference. The J35 is more than 35 feet long, and the J36 is less than 36.
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J35 is the hot one-design offshore racer. It is fast and light.
All the top sailmakers race in this class. People wanting to
race the bigger boats frequently came from smaller boats
where in a sailboat race they were accustomed to racing
against the other boats they could see rather than against
a rating or handicap. In a one design class the people ahead of
you did better and the people behind you did worse. It is the fastest
way to improve you sailing since you are forced to ask what
did my skipper and my crew do differently that caused me to
finish behind. The alternative is to blame the boat's rating and
never examine where you need to improve.
Palmer Johnson NY40 Sailboat For Sale
http://members.aol.com/NY40daybre/index.html
Jeremy Bloxham
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> Alden Bugly <bu...@clark.net> asked:
> :>
> :>Race/cruise: What's the matter with a J/36? Why is the J/35 so much
> :>more popular (and expensive)?
>
[many good point deleted]
> The spreaders are swept back on the 36, not on the 35.
Actually the spreaders are swept back on both the J/35 and the J/36.
On the J/35, because of the swept back spreaders, the runners are not
critical to keeping the mast up which is a good thing in most people's
book.
> THe interior of the 36 is more "yachty" than the 35
J/35 interiors vary so much with age and options that it is hard to
compare them to a J/36. The interiors range from very simple (some even
lacking an enclosed head) to some boats which have the J/40 style
forepeak with plenty of (arguably unnecessary) cabinetry. The 1987
and newer boats have, as standard, a reasonable interior with lots
of opening hatches, a simple forepeak, and an enclosed head.
We've had a lot of fun cruising our J/35 even though we bought it
(and have used it) primarily for racing. With full main and #4 it is
very easily handled by two people. It has made me a great believer in
the virtues of an easily driven hull for cruising - at least for the
type of cruising that we usually do. And having recently spent
(endured?) 2500 miles almost entirely on-the-wind in a not so easily
driven hull, I'm beginning to believe in their virtues for that type of
cruising too.
Jeremy Bloxham
J/35 73179
Rodney Myrvaagnes
In message <32D6A1...@geophysics.harvard.edu> - Jeremy Bloxham <bloxham@geo
physics.harvard.edu> writes:
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:>
:>J/35 interiors vary so much with age and options that it is hard to
:>compare them to a J/36. The interiors range from very simple (some even
:>lacking an enclosed head) to some boats which have the J/40 style
:>forepeak with plenty of (arguably unnecessary) cabinetry. The 1987
:>and newer boats have, as standard, a reasonable interior with lots
:>of opening hatches, a simple forepeak, and an enclosed head.
None we chartered had an enclosed head, but with only two people, who cares.
However, they did have a huge V-berth, which we miss on the J36.
:>
:>We've had a lot of fun cruising our J/35 even though we bought it
:>(and have used it) primarily for racing. With full main and #4 it is
:>very easily handled by two people. It has made me a great believer in
:>the virtues of an easily driven hull for cruising - at least for the
:>type of cruising that we usually do. And having recently spent
:>(endured?) 2500 miles almost entirely on-the-wind in a not so easily
:>driven hull, I'm beginning to believe in their virtues for that type of
:>cruising too.
I tried to persuade a J35 owner who only raced that he and his wife could
take it out and have a great time. I went out with him to show him how easily
two people could sail it, but his wife didn't come. I guess I wasn't
convincing enough.