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Sunglass Recommendations - Or why I wouldn't by Maui Jim again

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Geoffrey W. Schultz

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Dec 4, 2001, 9:44:33 AM12/4/01
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I'm curious as to what other people use for sunglasses. I've been wearing
Maui Jim's for years, but have continual problems with them. As a result
I'm looking for another brand.

Maui Jim lenses have 9 layers, and salt water causes them to delaminate.
I've seen/had this happen on pairs that are only a few months old. The
repair department at Maui Jim refuses to replace the lenses at their
expense stating that they're being used in a salt water environment (excuse
me, but isn't what they sell these for?) They claim that they aren't being
cared for properly, but they get washed multiple times per day & at night.
I can't imagine what else I could be doing to clean then. To me this is a
design problem as they don't seal the laminate sufficiently.

If Maui Jim simply wants their glasses to be worn on dry land, then fine.
But if they continue to market them as active water sports glasses, then
they should either resolve the delamination problem or provide free repair.

-- Geoff Schultz
S/V BlueJacket

Doug Dotson

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Dec 4, 2001, 9:58:54 AM12/4/01
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My S.O. uses Revo sunglasses and has them fitted with prescription
lenses. I believe they are guaranteed for life or at least for something
better than most. Cost more though.

doug

Denis Marier

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Dec 4, 2001, 10:52:29 AM12/4/01
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Recommendation:

You should have two pair of sunglass.

1. They should be well fitted or secured to prevent falling over board
while working on the deck
2. One pair should be polarized.
3. The second pair should be polarized. If not dark Grey tinted or other
tints recommended by your Ophthalmologists to suit your eyes.
4. Store your sunglass where you will not sit on them or the grand child
will not play or through them overboard.
Hard case do a good job.

I have two pair of polarized prescription sunglass. I have been wearing
them all the time even in very thick fog. ( that is until a buoy almost
hit me, Joke)
One pair stays on the boat all the time and the other I use on land and
snow. I like polarized glass for brook trout fishing or Pollock because I
can see below the water line better. When the water is calm I can see in
the water better.
I also have a pair of prescription bifocal sunglass tinted dark Grey. I am
awaiting the Ophthalmologists (eye doctor) recommendation for tinting my
next pair of sunglass.

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Jeff Morris

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:13:01 AM12/4/01
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My sunglasses are also polarized (not to mention bifocal) but I have noticed
that many Liquid Crystal displays are almost unreadable with Polaroid lens.
At first I thought my instruments were destroyed during a very cold winter
and was about to send them back to the factory when my wife intervened!

The last "regular" glasses I've bought were Photo-Gray (I think) - the
moderate level of auto-tinting. Although not real sunglasses, I could wear
them day and night and always have some protection. They currently reside
on the bottom of the ICW, somewhere near Ft. Pierce, FL.
-jeff
"The sport that requires the least effort" Albert Einstein on Sailing

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pony express

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:32:08 AM12/4/01
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Just tilt your head about 45°, and the LCDs are fine.
--


Steve & Suzanne
S/V Pony Express
Express 30
www.express-sailing.com/owners


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Jeff Morris

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:42:50 AM12/4/01
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But my neck would get stiff if I kept it tilted at 45deg. all the time! ;-)

Fortunately, most of the current stuff has contrast adjustments that help a
lot for this.

Now my pet peeve is that I can't read the info panel when my wife is driving
the car.

-jeff
"The sport that requires the least effort" Albert Einstein on Sailing

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pony express

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:45:55 AM12/4/01
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Ok, just mount the displays at an angle?
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Steve & Suzanne
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Express 30
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Doug Dotson

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Dec 4, 2001, 11:57:56 AM12/4/01
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Consider yourself lucky. It would probably scare you if you saw what
it said :)

Marvin R Hamon

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:01:17 PM12/4/01
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This brings up an interesting point. The light coming from an LCD display is
polarized since this is how the display turns pixels on and off. This means
that if you have polarized glasses and an electronic device with a LCD
display and the two are polarized at 90 degrees to each other then you won't
be able to read the display. Something to keep in mind if you are going to
get polarized glasses. Maybe I will have to take my GPS down to the sunglass
store and test this out. Is there a standard for how LCD displays are
polarized or will some displays look fine through polarized glasses and others
not? It would look kind of funny to have to keep rotating your head as you
scan through the various electronic displays on the boat. I believe all
polarized glasses are horizontally polarized to cut the glare from water.

Marvin
S/V Osage

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Doug Dotson

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:23:31 PM12/4/01
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I think they are vertically poilarized because the light reflected
off the horizontal water surface will be horizontally polarized. I don't
know if there is a standard but I do notice that some instruments
are harder to read that others when wearing polarized sunglasses.

doug

Martin Baxter

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:20:07 PM12/4/01
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"Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote:

> I'm curious as to what other people use for sunglasses.

I just go into the local Crappy Tire, walk up to the sunglass
rack that says "100% UV Protection", try on pairs till I find
one I like, proceed to checkout, put down my 15 bucks,
(Canadian, that's about $2.95 U.S.) and walk out.

If you were as good as I am at sitting on/losing/melting/
spindling/folding/mutilating sunglasses you would understand
this philosophy.

Cheers
Marty


Jonathan Ganz

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Dec 4, 2001, 1:41:14 PM12/4/01
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I've been wearing my REVOs for years. They were initially cheap
for me because I got an employee discount... should have gotten
more than three pair. They're covered for life for most things,
and if you truly trash them or want to upgrade to a new look,
you can get a brand new pair for relatively cheap.

In article <3C0CE4AE...@digidata.com>,


Doug Dotson <ddo...@digidata.com> wrote:
>My S.O. uses Revo sunglasses and has them fitted with prescription
>lenses. I believe they are guaranteed for life or at least for something
>better than most. Cost more though.

Jonathan
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http://www.sailnow.com (Sailing on the San Francisco Bay)
http://www.putzsail.com (home of the putz-enabled)

Frodo Baggins

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Dec 4, 2001, 1:46:15 PM12/4/01
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In article <MPG.1676a1063...@ca.news.verio.net> Marvin R Hamon
<mha...@wco.NOSPAM.FOR.ME.com> wrote:

> This brings up an interesting point. The light coming from an LCD display is
> polarized since this is how the display turns pixels on and off. This means
> that if you have polarized glasses and an electronic device with a LCD
> display and the two are polarized at 90 degrees to each other then you won't
> be able to read the display. Something to keep in mind if you are going to
> get polarized glasses. Maybe I will have to take my GPS down to the sunglass
> store and test this out. Is there a standard for how LCD displays are
> polarized or will some displays look fine through polarized glasses and others

> not? ...

I have no scientific explanation (translation: I don't know what I'm
talking about) but I've found that many LCD displays appear quite normal
through polarized glasses, while others are blocked. So apparently
there is not standard for the orientation of the displays.

One of the things I always look at in shopping for electronics is to be
sure that I can read the display while wearing polarized glasses.

--

Frodo

Frodo Baggins

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Dec 4, 2001, 1:46:15 PM12/4/01
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In article <3C0D05C7...@rmc.ca> Martin Baxter <baxt...@rmc.ca>
wrote:

> I just go into the local Crappy Tire, walk up to the sunglass
> rack that says "100% UV Protection", try on pairs till I find
> one I like, proceed to checkout, put down my 15 bucks,
> (Canadian, that's about $2.95 U.S.) and walk out.
>
> If you were as good as I am at sitting on/losing/melting/
> spindling/folding/mutilating sunglasses you would understand
> this philosophy.

I bet I've got you beat. The bottom of any slip I've been in for any
time period is paved with old sunglasses!

But having arrived at the bifocal age, cheap sunglasses became a
problem, which I've solved with those Optyx stick on lenses which
convert ordinary cheapos to bifocals for about $20.

Beats the hell out of $200+ prescription sunglasses!

--

Frodo

Sandy K.

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Dec 4, 2001, 3:23:57 PM12/4/01
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I bought a $20 pair of polarized sunglasses at the local Eckerd. They fit
over my prescription glasses/bifocals. Thay look like crap, or I should say
that I look like crap when wearing them, but they work great and won't be a
major loss if they end up overboard!!

Sandy K.


Geoffrey W. Schultz

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Dec 4, 2001, 4:25:48 PM12/4/01
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"Denis Marier" <mar...@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in
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> Recommendation:
>
> You should have two pair of sunglass.

I do have 3 pairs...all Maui Jim's. All are polarized & well attached to
my neck. I'm just tired of having this problem with the lenses & not
having Maui Jim stand behind their product.

I will say this. The polarization/glare reduction on them is the best that
I've found. That's why I was looking for a comperable product.

-- Geoff

Denis Marier

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Dec 4, 2001, 6:43:06 PM12/4/01
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Correct, when I watch the radar, sounder and loran/GPS from the cockpit I
have to take my polarized sunglass off. I can read the instrumentation
better with tinted sunglass. That is why I am awaiting the Ophthalmologists
(also a sailor) recommendation for tinting.
BTW, I never had problems with salt water spray except to wash the lens with
potable water as need it.

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Denis Marier

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Dec 4, 2001, 6:43:07 PM12/4/01
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I was told that at the dollar store you can get an 6"X8"
screen that is sold for page reading. My friend mounts that plastic screen
in front of his instrument and swears by it. He said that he has learned
this while working on the Oil Rig.
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TAWill s/v Lucky Strike

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schu...@ultranet.com (Geoffrey W. Schultz) wrote in message news:<916D6DEEEschu...@207.172.3.51>...

> I'm curious as to what other people use for sunglasses. I've been wearing
> Maui Jim's for years, but ....... delamination problem .....

>
> -- Geoff Schultz
> S/V BlueJacket


Since 1976 I've used Vuarnet. Have two pair, one with grey lenses,
the other with yellow lenses - both polarized. I always use mooleys
with them while aboard, 'cause I've had a pair go over. Depending
upon light conditions on the water, either the grey or the yellow
provide great contrast. Yellow is used all the time for skiing and
hunting. Grey for biking usually.

Vuarnet stands behind their product quite well. The older pair is on
the second set of frames. If they break, send them in and for 30
bucks they put your old lenses in the replacement frames. Most recent
pair cost about 130 U.S. - a little steep, but not if you can hang
onto them for a while.

Your fellow helmsman ... TOwel

Daniel

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Dec 4, 2001, 10:32:58 PM12/4/01
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> I've been wearing
> Maui Jim's for years, but have continual problems with them. As a result
> I'm looking for another brand.


Oh man...
I've had poor luck with Maui Jims myself. As everyone has agreed, Jim's
polarized lenses view extremely well, but my main beef is the cheap, poorly
designed plastic and rubber that surround them.

A sporty, lightweight pair that set me back $125 turned into trash within
the span of two weeks when the little rubber nose cushions "dry-rotted" and
fell away. I got pissed and converted it into landfill.
$10 bargain-bin specials usually last five times as long.

Seemingly, the main problem that Maui Jim suffers from (and consequently the
consumer as well) is lack of healthy competition in the polarized sunglass
market. Hence, our friend Jim can get away selling a product lacking in
construction and design quality.

I WANT MY $125 BACK, MAUI JIM!!!!


dave

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Dec 5, 2001, 7:27:21 AM12/5/01
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1 I would never pay more than 10 bucks for sun glasses

2 never use polarized ones while driving a boat (its too easy to missjudge a
wave since you are looking through it)

3 For fishing there great and use several differnt colors depending on
conditions


Mad Dog

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Dec 5, 2001, 9:17:26 AM12/5/01
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Here is my 2 cents worth on the subject. I found these sunglasses (Waho) at
a store in Ft Lauderdale several years ago and have been hooked ever since.
http://www.clearsight.net/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/online-store/scstore/p-
003.html?L+scstore+qyfh3179ff5cbd5c+1012454083
They have dark gray polorized lenses and an almost indestructable frame. I
have had these sunglasses sat on, dropped, tossed and soaked and they still
last. I replace the flimsy string they provide with a better neck strap as
a personal option, but their string works well for a while. I find the side
leathers provide even better vision during the abeam sunrises/sunsets. The
best part is the price. My first pair 15 years ago was only $35. In
addition, you can get replacement parts inexpensively if only a temple or
leather needs replacement. I don't know why I am posting this as a run on
these sunglasses could force the price up and I don't have any affilliation
with the company, but for the price, these sunglasses can't be beat.

Brian
Tranquility


Philip Odom

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Dec 5, 2001, 12:33:01 PM12/5/01
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This is what I received for an answer from customer service when I asked
about the problem. I had just ordered a pair

When glasses are used around salt water or in salt water, the lenses need
to be cleaned before the salt dries on the lenses. Soap and Water washes
all the damaging salt water away. Normal wear around salt water would not
cause delamination on the lenses.

Mahalo,

Tammy Saurs
Supervisor, Customer Service

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JC

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"dave" <dtol...@ford.com> wrote in message

> 1 I would never pay more than 10 bucks for sun glasses

Some ophthalmologist will thank you for that on down the road. Your
bilateral cataract surgeries should make a nice down payment on his next
S-Class.

> 2 never use polarized ones while driving a boat (its too easy to missjudge
a
> wave since you are looking through it)

Urban legend, and BS. While polarizers may give some relief from glare,
they don't obliterate the image of the wave. Try again.

Jeff

Paul Schilter

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Dec 5, 2001, 1:03:58 PM12/5/01
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Geoffrey,
My polarized glasses are Costa Delmar (not sure about the spelling) I've
worn them boating in salt water with a problem. I also wear Serengeti
Drivers which aren't polarized and these haven't had a problem either.
Paul

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dave

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Dec 5, 2001, 2:29:03 PM12/5/01
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Often I cruse at speeds in excess of 50 through 2 to 4 footers and better.
With the polarized lenses its easy to misjudge waves distance / slope of a
wave with no glare on it. Good clear water makes it worse of course if you
run in muddy water it might be different .

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Paul Schilter

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Dec 5, 2001, 1:06:57 PM12/5/01
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Marvin,
Another aspect to polarized glasses is that if you have your car windows
tinted, when you look through them you get a rainbow effect. Not really
troublesome just different.
Paul

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Paul Schilter

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Dec 5, 2001, 1:12:55 PM12/5/01
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dave,
Look through the wave? Man your polarized glasses must really work
better for you than mine do for me.
Paul

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MichaelO.

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Dec 5, 2001, 3:02:06 PM12/5/01
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There is only one worth bothering with. Go to a commercial store that
supplies equipment for those in the construction and utility trades. Get
UVEX brand sunglasses. They are made for over the glasses as well as for
those with no eye problems or with contacts. You can replace the lessons.
They give UV protection and work well for anti-glare. They are legal safety
glasses and best of all they sell for less than $15 each with replacement
lessons in the $6-$7 range. What I forget? Oh yes they have side
protection built in and they look good enough to satisfy the style concious
and they have clear and yellow lenses also. I've used them for years and
haven't come close to looking at the over priced easily broken style sun
glasses like Oakley's etc. I use them for skiing, sailing, motorcycling and
working as I mentioned in the construction/utility trades. The website is
self explanatory and they have both a US and a European button. If you
can't find them locally ask and they will direct you to a nearby store.

Michael

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Mike Fulmor

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Dec 6, 2001, 6:48:52 PM12/6/01
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Second that, Oz, I've rarely lost a cheap pair, they just get scratched or
scrunched, but good ones usually eat it the second day I wear 'em. I know
Maui Jim's are guaranteed, but my ladyfriend had to wait about a month for
service from them last time her frames broke. One of the side pieces just
kind of came apart, they just said "you'll get some of that."
Mike

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> On 4 Dec 2001 14:44:33 GMT, schu...@ultranet.com (Geoffrey W.


> Schultz) with a thumbnail dipped in tar wrote:
>
> >I'm curious as to what other people use for sunglasses. I've been
wearing
> >Maui Jim's for years, but have continual problems with them. As a result
> >I'm looking for another brand.
>

> Cheap plastic Polaroids.
> They are perfect for sailing.
> I buy a 4 or 5 at a time.


Denis Marier

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Dec 6, 2001, 8:53:02 PM12/6/01
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I just received my Ophthalmologists preference for sunglass.
In my case not to disturbed my vision dark Grey tint is preferred.
Dark green and other tints will distort the shape or color of objects.
So I'll get a pair of prescription BI-focal tinted dark Grey for sailing and
skiing and keep my polarized glass for trout and Pollock fishing.

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> Recommendation:
>
> You should have two pair of sunglass.
>
> 1. They should be well fitted or secured to prevent falling over board
> while working on the deck
> 2. One pair should be polarized.
> 3. The second pair should be polarized. If not dark Grey tinted or other
> tints recommended by your Ophthalmologists to suit your eyes.
> 4. Store your sunglass where you will not sit on them or the grand child
> will not play or through them overboard.
> Hard case do a good job.
>
> I have two pair of polarized prescription sunglass. I have been wearing
> them all the time even in very thick fog. ( that is until a buoy almost
> hit me, Joke)
> One pair stays on the boat all the time and the other I use on land and
> snow. I like polarized glass for brook trout fishing or Pollock because
I
> can see below the water line better. When the water is calm I can see in
> the water better.
> I also have a pair of prescription bifocal sunglass tinted dark Grey. I
am

> awaiting the Ophthalmologists (eye doctor) recommendation for tinting my
> next pair of sunglass.
>
> "Doug Dotson" <ddo...@digidata.com> wrote in message
> news:3C0CE4AE...@digidata.com...
> > My S.O. uses Revo sunglasses and has them fitted with prescription
> > lenses. I believe they are guaranteed for life or at least for something
> > better than most. Cost more though.
> >
> > doug

> >
> >
> > "Geoffrey W. Schultz" wrote:
> >
> > > I'm curious as to what other people use for sunglasses. I've been
> wearing
> > > Maui Jim's for years, but have continual problems with them. As a
> result
> > > I'm looking for another brand.
> > >
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