Beneteau vs. Jeanneau
Cartmann
I was thinking of a Beneteau Oceanis Clipper 393 (150k eur in Croatia with
elec. pack and bimini), or Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 39i (new model) - 120k eur.
Is it reasonable to pay 30k eur more for Beneteau Oceanis?
Thanks.
Dennis Pogson
Since they are both made by Groupe Beneteau, who own Jeanneau, perhaps you
should ask them.
Cartmann
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>> I was thinking of a Beneteau Oceanis Clipper 393 (150k eur in Croatia
>> with elec. pack and bimini), or Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 39i (new model)
>> - 120k eur.
>
> should ask them.
Thnx, I didn't know that. Beneteau dealer says that "beneteau is brand name,
and jeanneau isn't", Jeanneau dealer says opposite. :)
Dennis Pogson
Beneteau once had the reputation of being rather better-built than Jeanneau,
but the market has become so confused, with nobody knowing who builds what
any more, that it's quite possible the position has been reversed.
Perhaps an in-depth inspection of the 2 boats would reveal hidden advantages
to one or the other, hopefully without a salesperson present?
Dennis.
DSK
>>>with elec. pack and bimini), or Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 39i (new model)
>>>- 120k eur.
>>
>>Since they are both made by Groupe Beneteau, who own Jeanneau, perhaps you
>>should ask them.
>
Cartmann wrote:
> Thnx, I didn't know that. Beneteau dealer says that "beneteau is brand name,
> and jeanneau isn't", Jeanneau dealer says opposite. :)
>
Jeanneau has built some great boats such as the Sun Legend
(can't argue with Kevlar) and some of their catamarans are
quite well engineered & built (have to be or they come
apart). Beneteau has also built some undeniably good boats
including the Dynamique series.
But their "marque" boats are mass-produced under supervision
of bean-counters, so I doubt there's any serious difference
in quality. Arguing brand names is kind like pepsi vs coke.
OTOH close inspection of each individual boat will give you
the serious info you want to make a decision. For one thing,
the two are of fairly different design criteria... the Sun
Odyssey series are lighter, faster boats.
IMHO you'd do well to get a surveyor to go over the one your
seriously want, even if brand-new. Factories do make
mistakes as well as the occasional designed-in flaw that you
don't want to realize at sea.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
Capt. JG
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Coke is better for cleaning rust stains. :-)
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DSK
>>bean-counters, so I doubt there's any serious difference in quality.
>>Arguing brand names is kind like pepsi vs coke.
>>
Capt. JG wrote:
> Coke is better for cleaning rust stains. :-)
>
Plus, things go better with coke... all else being equal I
assume this means that the boat drinking coca-cola will be
faster? Or maybe point higher?
DSK
Cartmann
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>
> IMHO you'd do well to get a surveyor to go over the one your seriously
> want, even if brand-new. Factories do make mistakes as well as the
> occasional designed-in flaw that you don't want to realize at sea.
>
Thank you Dennis and DSK.
I don't know English well, but I hope you understand me.
This is my first sailing boat, so I don't know what to look. I will use it
for family vacations and charter. Only thing that confuses me is price
difference because is not small, in Croatia Sun Odyssey is more than 30.000
Euro cheaper than Oceanis. So I try to find reason for that big difference
in price.
What would you buy, Beneteau Oceanis for $180.000 or Sun Odyssey for
$144.000 (both new)?
Thnx.
Cartmann
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>
Sorry for white space, a use MS word as a spelling and grammar checker,
evidently something happen with encoding.
Capt. JG
Maybe we should take the Pepsi Challenge.
Dennis Pogson
I don't like reddish-brown boats.
Dennis Pogson
You should write to Bill G. about this, and keep someone in employment.
Markus Baertschi
> This is my first sailing boat, so I don't know what to look. I will use it
> for family vacations and charter. Only thing that confuses me is price
> difference because is not small, in Croatia Sun Odyssey is more than 30.000
> Euro cheaper than Oceanis. So I try to find reason for that big difference
> in price.
If this is your 1st sailing boat then you need to get experience :-).
Buying a sailing boat is as difficult as buying a car or a house. You
should start to define what you like in a sailboat and go from there. It
might be a good idea to rent each boat for a week or two. That way
you'll see yourself which one you prefer and why. If you don't then
consider a part of your investment 'learning expense', because you'll
find out over time only if you like the boat you've bought or not.
Markus
JB
boats and concluded that the SO 39i was the right boat for me for a
number of reasons. I had a look at the Beneteau but I did not
seriously consider this boat as in my veiw this is more of a comrtable
floating caravan than a quality sailing boat. I have done a lot of
sailing (racing) and with a young family I wanted a cruising boat that
also sails well and that can be handled shorthanded without the clutter
in the cockpit or racer cruisers (like a mainsheet track throught the
Cockpit and proimary winches that cannot be reached from the helm
position. The SO39i will sail better than the Benetau but which is
probably just as comfortable. In my veiw you do pay a hefty premium
for the Beneteau name which you do not so much with Jeanneau. Also
Jeanneau build quality is famous and has a far better reputation than
beneteau, althougbh now there should not be any issues with either boat
on the hull. The other swaying factor is the above deck gear. It is
very easy to focus on the hull but the Jeanneau 39i has Harken deck
gear and a Selden mast. I don't know what the Benetau comes with but
the biggest issue that Benetau has in my veiw is the lack of attention
paid to the above deck stuff.
The 39i also carries its beam all the way aft, this makes for a bigger
cockpit area and a powerfull hull shape - good for reaching!
The other boat which I seriously considered was the Hanse 400. This
looks like a great boat with more choice of interios layout and rig
etc. The reason why I chose the Jeneau over this boat was the fact
that Jeneau build quality is better and I like the twin wheel set up of
the 39i.
Other boats I considered were:
Grand Soleil 40 - very nice, but more of a racer cruiser and a bit more
expensive.
Dufour 38.5 Grand Large - very nice but more exepnsive and I prefered
Jeneau build Quality
If you can speak German, there is a yacht test of the 39I on
http://www.yacht.de - the headline is "Complete Package". This German
magazine also has a number of other tests for other boats in the
similar category.
In my veiw it is a no brainer if you are considering the SO39i or the
Oceanis 39 - The SO 39i is a better boat and it is 30k cheaper - but I
am biased!!
Cheers
James
haffiman37
There are significant design and construction differences between the
boats like: Jeanneau: conventional hull design with stringers, std
engine installation with prop shaft. Beneteau: Hull with innerliner,
sail drive propulsion system.
Beneteau seems to be a more of 'live onboard', Jeanneau more of 'sail
the oceans'. Check out the load capacity! You may even read my 20.000
miles test of my SO 37 at
http://www.geocities.com/haffiman37
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haffiman37
Evan Gatehouse
Bendytoes were well into bulkheads that snapped/glued into the liners.
I'd pick an older Jeanneau over an older Beneteau but I suspect
modern versions are much more similar to each other
Evan Gatehouse
mark...@sprintmail.com
up to Glacier Bay, Alaska and now down to Mexico. I have been very
pleased with the handling of the boat and general comforts of it. Had
I to do it again, I would purchase this boat, but I would add some
items like a spinaker and other nice to have toys.
The $30,000 is a lot, but it is not much if the boats are loaded
differently. Are the engines the same size, what electronics come with
them, sails, ect. You just want to make sure your are comparing boats
which are equipped similarily.
You might also think about purchasing a boat in the USA. With the
currency difference, you would get about 30% more for your money.
Mark Read
www.GoReads.com