Proposal
Roger Long
those who use their real names and are open about who they are and those who
hide under the cyber rocks and take their potshots from the shadows. It's
not an absolute but it's a pretty good indicator.
Back in my flying days, I was equally active in a similar aviation newsgroup
and the atmosphere was much different. Most people used their real names
and many appended their tail numbers in their signatures. You could look
them up on the FAA database if you wanted.
Part of the greater sense of civility and community, which promoted much
more useful discussion than usually encountered here, was due to a web page
one of the regulars set up. This had a thumbnail photo of anyone who wished
to appear along with a picture of their plane and links to any web sites or
photo albums they maintained.
I would be willing to set up such a page on my server if enough regular
contributors here are interested. It was nice in the aviation group to have
an idea who you were reading and responding to, what kind of plane they had
and what kind of flying they did. It promoted much more civil and useful
exchanges.
Email me if interested (my address is real). If enough people want to do
this, I'll set it up. A lot of you have website links in your signatures
but this would pull them all together into one page.
Maybe then, we can just killfile the sock puppets and keep an eye out for
new prospects coming along. It would be sort of like pulling a bunch of
tables together in a bar for a semi-private party.
Some will say, "I can't let people know who I really am, the aliens will
abduct me!" Well, I'm a semi-public figure. People stop and ask it I'm the
guy they saw on TV. I have a reputation as a designer of fairly
sophisticated vessels to protect but I'm not afraid to ask about some basic
things here. No aliens have implanted a chip in my brain yet.
If anyone is a better web site designer than I am and has server space, I
would love to have someone else take this on. I don't need the glory,
recognition, or pain in the butt of doing it, I'd just like to see it
happen. Speak up if you would be willing to do it.
--
Roger Long
Bob
> I've noticed a correspondence here between the quality of the posts from
> those who use their real names and are open about who they are and those who
> hide under the cyber rocks and take their potshots from the shadows. It's
> not an absolute but it's a pretty good indicator.
> Roger Long
My Dearest Roger:
And who would act as the moderator to decide who is polite enough to
remain in your group or do we need to buy a copy of, Emily Post's
Etiquette......?
Why are student evaluations of an instructor/course preferred
anonymous?
I agree that the days of Andy of Mayberry and Leave it to Beaver adn
Pleasant Ville are a wonderful way of life.... but personally I prefer
the Dive Bar analogy where someone feels absolutely free to post ANY
comment. Get more info that way when relationships are not a part of
the equation.
ANd if a few assholes start a pissing match I simply dont read
it........... There are some real jewels of information here. Take ole
Willbur. He has some very important and right on ideas. Just a bit too
arrogant for most to see his message. Some readers get all offended by
HOW he says something and ignores WHAT he says.
SO I respectfully decline your invitation to your Good Guy Club.
ANd no Bob is not my real name. Why, for the last 16 years ive taught
at a state university where the academic pricks (colleagues, division
chairs, deans, provost) would shit if they knew my name was associated
with this moronic crap. So in this forum If I think your bilge system
is too fucking complex for a boat your size I can just say it.
Bob
Roger Long
>My Dearest Roger:
>And who would act as the moderator to decide who is polite enough to
>remain in your group or do we need to buy a copy of, Emily Post's
>Etiquette......?
No one. Again, I didn't say that. You said that I said it and then
objected to what you said.
>ANd no Bob is not my real name. Why, for the last 16 years ive taught
>at a state university where the academic pricks (colleagues, division
>chairs, deans, provost) would shit if they knew my name was associated
>with this moronic crap.
You really think? I do 95% of my work for academic institutions and grew up
listening to my professor father talk about faculty politics. I have a hard
time believing they are paying that much attention. They were going to shit
once or twice a day anyway so this objection doesn't quite pass my straight
face test.
>So in this forum If I think your bilge system is too fucking complex for a
>boat your size I can just say it.
You think you couldn't say that if we knew who you really were? You think I
haven't heard worse in my profession, sometime right and sometimes wrong?
Hey, you should hear the names the Titanicacs call me.
I wish I did know who you were because I think I would find it fastinating
to visit your planet someday.
--
Roger Long
Tim
I look in a lot, and I admit I don't contribute over here much, but I
do have a philosophy of be yourself, be kind and don't make war.
Amazingly it seems you can get along with just about anybody.
BTW Roger, even though not in person, it was nice to semi-meet you
when I saw your interviews on the "Titanic" doc.
Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
You can use these if you want something to stick a pin in..
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/boat.jpg
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/me-ILB.jpg
Roger Long
Which one are you in the second picture?
--
Roger Long
Bob
> "Bob" <freya...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> >My Dearest Roger:
> >And who would act as the moderator to decide who is polite enough to
> >remain in your group or do we need to buy a copy of, Emily Post's
> >Etiquette......?
>
> No one. Again, I didn't say that.
That is true........... that is why I am asking. I wanted to know
>You said that I said it and then
> objected to what you said.
The above is how you bait others in an argument so you can apear the
level headed diplomat of yachting.
> I wish I did know who you were because I think I would find it fastinating
> to visit your planet someday.
> Roger Long
Okay :)
Your installations are superbly crafted, A+ although I would not have
such long tails on your hose clamps on a few of them and also use AWAB
brand hose clamps. Time is money. It takes time to replace hose
clamps. Get the good ones that way increas service life and decreas
labor.
The designs are overly complex for the boat size, C-/D+
But no doubt fun to build.
Your a boat designer try this:
When I was a Boy Scout our scout master gave us a challenge,
1) useing only 6' of tinfoil
2) design and construct a boat
3) had two hours to build the boat
4) all tinfoil boats were launced at the same time.
5) all scouts had 10 rocks to throw attempting to sink the other
scouts boats.
6) the last boat floating won the prize !
Now as all the scouts were activly constructing their UNSINKABLE
tinfoil boat my friend Larry was just siting and laughing at
everybody. We were all giveing him shit and the scout master looked on
with a critical eye.
Time was up................. all boats were launched. 10 seconds
before the launch deadline Larry took his tinfoil and crumpled it into
a ball and tossed in the lake. Their among all the complex and
traditional boat designs was Larrys floating tinfiol ball. The rocks
started to fly. Every boat was sunk in a few
moments................... except Larrys. Everyone started to cry
FOUL! his boat was not a fair designe........... Larry just laughted.
it took an hour of rock chucking and Larrys ball still did not sink
What is the problme solving moral of this story Roger??
ANd on another note why did Larrys boat not sink?
Bob
Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
>Thanks.
>
>Which one are you in the second picture?
Right, port. Not the little girl..
Goofball_star_dot_etal
ps. This is my last 'cruise'
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/Salamander/
and my favourite:
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/South%20Stack.jpg
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Barbadee_video.htm
tsm...@gmail.com
> "Bob" <freya...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >... Why, for the last 16 years ive taught
> >at a state university where the academic pricks (colleagues, division
> >chairs, deans, provost) would shit if they knew my name was associated
> >with this moronic crap.
>
> You really think? I do 95% of my work for academic institutions and grew up
> listening to my professor father talk about faculty politics. I have a hard
> time believing they are paying that much attention. They were going to shit
> once or twice a day anyway so this objection doesn't quite pass my straight
Ha! I also grew-up with a professor father and and all the department
politics. I strongly suspect that some of the folks on the hill
hadn't had a really successful bowl movement since the late Triassic.
Bob might be really popular on campus if his posts could cure faculty
constipation. :)
Anyway, I think your web page would be fun. My boat doesn't have a
tail number but the main bulkhead reads: 1105929 and we use AH6QR (my
GF's call) on the roll calls.
-- Tom (NH7SV)
Edgar
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <w...@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
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Nice pics. Couldn't figure out where it was until I saw your track. Never
called at a NI port but bought my first yacht from Holyhead and sailed her
to the South coast.
Later, came past it all again a couple of times going to and from Scottish
ports. Had some rough weather in the Irish sea.
Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
>
>"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <w...@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
>news:5rp5t3pa46hp9cdg8...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:58:36 +0000, Goofball_star_dot_etal
>> <w...@needs.email.anyhow> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:49:36 -0500, "Roger Long" <str...@maine.rr.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Which one are you in the second picture?
>>>
>>>Right, port. Not the little girl..
>>
>> ps. This is my last 'cruise'
>> http://www.wareing77.plus.com/Salamander/
>> and my favourite:
>> http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/South%20Stack.jpg
>> http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Barbadee_video.htm
>
>Nice pics. Couldn't figure out where it was until I saw your track.
Coleraine to Ispwitch. The pictures are of Portrush, where we waited
for the tide at Rathlin, and Giant's causeway.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-11,GGLD:en&q=Giant's+causeway&um=1
Never
>called at a NI port but bought my first yacht from Holyhead and sailed her
>to the South coast.
This is the boat at Holyhead:
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/Eye%20of%20the%20wind.JPG
I did not have a waterproof camera then and I gave up when water came
through the spray hood. South Stack close-hauled in f6 with wind
against tide at~10kts was a lot of fun later. The video was earlier on
just after we changed the jib and had just tacked. You can see the
increase in speed in the track when the rollled up jenny came down and
the high cut jib went on. The skipper and boat won the Tilman Trophy
and Best Skipper in that boat in the Three Peaks in 1999 when a few
sank, so we 'weren't bothered' although he slept through most of it..
>Later, came past it all again a couple of times going to and from Scottish
>ports. Had some rough weather in the Irish sea.
It has its moments. More random photos/videos if you edit
back to the directories.
Jere Lull
> Now as all the scouts were activly constructing their UNSINKABLE
> tinfoil boat my friend Larry was just siting and laughing at everybody.
There was a similar story of a paper airplane contest trying to "fly"
their planes into a target.
--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
Roger Long
> So in this forum If I think your bilge system is too fucking complex for a
> boat your size I can just say it.
Let's see, down in the "Float Switch" thread you said (I fixed you typos):<
Begin quote:
>"I also have one of those. I think a 1800gph electric sump pump up
>higher for larger leaks with a fllipper switch.
>Got a Gusher 30 manual, couldn't affrord the good one made of bronze so
>went with Gusher.
>Plus an electric diaphram pump with suction hose to the bilge.
>The bilge is simply not accessable since its 4' deep ( L4' x W 9" x D 4'.
>and of course the propeller shaft passes right over the opening. So
>I can't get a pump around the shaft. The electric diaphram pump is
>located 4' higher than the intake for easy access. The switch is located on
>intake end of the suction hose stuck at the very bottom of the bilge sump."
End quote:
I now have a pump with an integral float switch that takes care of all
normal needs, grey water pump out, stuffing box drip, condensation.
I have the original manual back up diaphram pump that can be used the
helmsman in a flooding situation. This will also take care of grey water if
the Sahara pump should fail or battery power get low. This pump also sucks
water low enough to dry out the Sahara pump strainer completely.
I have two Rule pumps with simple Rule float switches in a normally dry
location which will only be called upon to operate in a "save the boat"
situation. These pumps don't figure into normal operation at all.
You really think this is overly complex compared to what you have?
Interesting.
BTW, I went with the same model Rule pumps that only lasted 3 seasons
previously. I like the small size and form factor however. Before they
were always sitting in an inch or so of water so the impeller and seals were
always wet. They also were as the primary condensation and stuffing box
leakage removers. I wouldn't have purchased that model again for such
service but, for units that will mostly remain high and dry and probably
never actually be used, I didn't seen any compelling reason to go with
something larger. Rather than buy one large pump, I still have two entirely
separate pump and switch systems directly connected to the batteries which
are separate when the master switch is off. Unlikely that a failure will
leave me with less than 50% capacity.
--
Roger Long
Jakob Krutzfeld
Jonathan Ganz
Roger Long <str...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>I've noticed a correspondence here between the quality of the posts from
>those who use their real names and are open about who they are and those who
>hide under the cyber rocks and take their potshots from the shadows. It's
>not an absolute but it's a pretty good indicator.
Very accurate for the most part, and a great idea.
Jonathan
Dan Best
> I've noticed a correspondence here between the quality of the posts from
> those who use their real names and are open about who they are and those who
> hide under the cyber rocks and take their potshots from the shadows. It's
Roger,
I've noted the same and it's one of my pet peeves that people are so
afraid of something that their too afraid to sign their names to their
posts.
I'm not the most prolific of posters, but I've been hanging around here
and other places on the net for years. For all that time, I've
routinely posted not only my real name, but phone # and city/state in my
signature. I suppose, that I'm in real danger of having the aliens
implant a chip in my brain, but so far, no one's dropped in for a visit.
I guess if you've got nothing to hide, no one comes looking for you.
--
Dan Best - (559) 970-9858, Fresno, CA 93704
B-2/75 1977-1979
Tayana 37 #192, "Tricia Jean" http://triciajean192.home.comcast.net
Dennis Pogson
You'd better explain what the Three Peaks Race is. I don't think Amercans
know about combining mountain climbing with sailing, despite their superb
mountains! The best race I have ever sailed in, by far, was the Scottish
Peaks Race of 1991 when we came second in class. Great fun, and very
challenging!
Dennis.
Goofball_star_dot_etal
<dennis_no...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>You'd better explain what the Three Peaks Race is. I don't think Amercans
>know about combining mountain climbing with sailing, despite their superb
>mountains! The best race I have ever sailed in, by far, was the Scottish
>Peaks Race of 1991 when we came second in class. Great fun, and very
>challenging!
>
>Dennis.
>
They can get a bit cheecky, for sure, with talk of cowardly bathtub
sailors.
Edgar
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" <w...@needs.email.anyhow> wrote in message
the South coast.
>
> This is the boat at Holyhead:
> http://www.wareing77.plus.com/images/Eye%20of%20the%20wind.JPG
There were no marina facilities like that when I bought my first boat at
Holyhead about 30 years ago.
I had wanted an S&S 34 ever since I saw the first one at the London boat
show, well before its legendary racing success including outright win in the
Sydney/ Hobart race.
Finally, when I could at last afford one I got one from Holyhead where they
had half a dozen or so racing as a class and owned it for 14 years. Always
regretted selling it at a time when work left me little time to use it. Now
I have a very similar S&S design but 38'.
Despite the impressive looking breakwater Holyhead is not a comfortable
harbour and under certain conditions a heavy swell comes in.
To my surprise my boat was on a mooring which consisted of a thick wire rope
but they told me there was a massive chain on the bottom which lifted to the
incoming swell and prevented what would otherwise be unacceptable jerks due
to the lack of 'give' in the wire rope. Nevertheless to suit the local
conditions the cleat on the foredeck of the boat I bought had been replaced
with a massive samson post going down through the deck and glassed in where
it met the 'stem'. My present boat has just a cleat and a couple of years
ago, riding out a gale on a buoy while in harbour I worried about that cleat
and took the mooring line back around the mast.
Jakob Krutzfeld
"Dennis Pogson" <dennis_no...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> You'd better explain what the Three Peaks Race is. I don't think Amercans
> know about combining mountain climbing with sailing, despite their superb
> mountains! The best race I have ever sailed in, by far, was the Scottish
> Peaks Race of 1991 when we came second in class. Great fun, and very
> challenging!
>
> Dennis.
>
>
Most American sailors are in no shape to climb mountains, let alone race up
them. There aren't too many real mountains (as far as climbing goes) near
the coasts, except in extreme northern and southern latitudes (then that's
real sailing too). If you like combining climbing and sailing you may gain
some insight from HW Tilman, a famed Himalayan climber and sailor. He sailed
pilot cutters and was lost at sea in one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Tilman
Who on this group can actually run up a real mountain? How many can do more
than 10 pullups? Wilbur Hubbard, besides myself, is the only other one I
know of who has attained a state of hardiness and skill to undertake both
sides of such a venture. The rest of you, AFAIK, are marshmallows.
Name one superb American maritime mountain on the contiguous 48 states.
There are none (well maybe the Olympic Peninsula with qualifications). In
Alaska is Mt Fairweather, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Fairweather ,
but it is such an undertaking for "sailors" that National Geographic
launched a sailing expedition to it and did a featured write up on it. Not
the sort of thing for those who need enclosed heads, ovens, generators, air
conditioning, power steering and the like.
Jakob
Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
The marina was not very pleased when the sailing ship bent the pontoon
that night in a gale. I raced Shearwaters there once >30yrs. ago and
the YC was just the same. I like the place even though the town is a
dump. Good memories! We camped on some waste ground but we were always
late for the races as the owner of one of the cats was shaggng all
night and the rest of us had a couple of pints in the YC waiting or
him to get out of bed!
MMC
"Roger Long" <str...@maine.rr.com> wrote in message
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OK. MMC is really (promise not to tell anyone?):
Merlin Clark
Satellite Beach, FL.
Welcome any time for a cold beer and if passing through, I can take you on a
grocery run. I'm in the book.
I like the group- on- webpage offer Roger.
I lost my fear of aliens when a close acquaintance switched from UFO kook to
religious kook. Now I'm afraid of religious kooks.
Merlin
Ernest Scribbler
> Part of the greater sense of civility and community, which promoted much
> more useful discussion than usually encountered here, was due to a web
> page one of the regulars set up.
I agree on the sense of community, but I'm skeptical that such a site would
do much for civility. I post under a pseudonym as a cursory defense against
spammers and the occasional deranged or vindictive individual who may find
his way here. Whether it does me any good is debatable, but I can't see
where it does much harm. Anyone legitimately interested in my true identity
only has to ask, and I'll reveal that my real name is Joe Blizzard, and that
I'm a reformed power boater sailing a Gloucester 20 on the Kanawha River in
West Virginia.
Upkeep on a web page such as you're proposing might be something to ponder.
I don't have any useful suggestions, but I bring up the point because your
post reminded me that I have a long outdated listing on Lee Yeaton's "boats
of rec.boats" page. (http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/)
Red
>> Part of "Roger Long" wrote
>> Part of the greater sense of civility and community, which promoted
much
>> more useful discussion than usually encountered here, was due to a web
>> page one of the regulars set up.
And Earnest replied:
>I agree on the sense of community, but I'm skeptical that such a site
>would
>do much for civility. I post under a pseudonym as a cursory defense
>against
>spammers and the occasional deranged or vindictive individual who may
>find
>his way here. Whether it does me any good is debatable, but I can't see
>where it does much harm.
I have to agree with Earnest as well as some other posters here.
Although I post under the moniker most people who know me call me by, I
have at one time years ago been the recipient of some net-nut's
extensive harassment and will never give out my name indiscriminately on
newsgroups anymore. I have no problem with it in email, even though some
nut *could* find it if they really wanted - most nutballs are not that
sophisticated.
Besides, when I was going to college not too many years ago I realized
quickly that many professors and dep't heads were engaged in the
squashing of free and open discussion of ideas (better known as free
speech). That only resulted in reducing the amount of good useful
information available to students, and rarely was one allowed to bring
up any contrary opinions or facts, and you could get punished with a
failing paper or grade for doing so. So if you want to create a Little
Boys Club, go for it. I'll miss the information, but I doubt I'd want to
participate in a forum that under the guise of a "greater sense of
civility" is really about, or even that it results in, curtailing the
free and open discussion of ideas.
Although there are a few occasionally abrasive fellows here (me
included), the information that is gleaned as a result of everone's
participation is of a higher order, in spite of, and even sometimes
because of, the participation of the occasional abrasive fellow. Think,
Roger, of the refinements of ideas you have had over time as a result of
something someone that you don't like (as well as people who you
respect) on here has said in response to your idea.
Red
Roger Long
> So if you want to create a Little Boys Club, go for it. I'll miss the
> information, but I doubt I'd want to participate in a forum that under the
> guise of a "greater sense of civility" is really about, or even that it
> results in, curtailing the free and open discussion of ideas.
You're reading too much into it. It won't directly change anything that
goes on here and won't have any content or discussion of it's own. If some
people, and there appear to be several, like the idea of other being able to
put their face and boat together with their posts to make the exchanges a
bit less anonymous, they are free to take advantage of it. If not, they can
just rant away as they do now. If someone wants to include a picture of
their boat and where they cruise but not give their real name, that's fine
too. It isn't going to restrict anything.
It's just an idea but one with an excellent precedent for working in a
similar group. If it doesn't work, I'll just click the delete button on the
page the next time I'm doing site maintenance.
--
Roger Long
Red
I stand, pleasantly, corrected.
Red
Red
of what some may think about the complexity of your projects, they can't
argue that they aren't executed beautifully. The descriptions and
pictures on the pages make learning about what you've done easy and
usually clear. Thank you for taking the time to share all that.
Red
Wayne.B
>The descriptions and
>pictures on the pages make learning about what you've done easy and
>usually clear. Thank you for taking the time to share all that.
Yes indeed. That darn fuel system is too complex however... :-)
dougk...@yahoo.com
> >So in this forum If I think your bilge system is too fucking complex for a
> >boat your size I can just say it.
"Roger Long" wrote:
> You think you couldn't say that if we knew who you really were?
Oh, he could still say it all right... probably wouldn't though,
because he'd be afraid that eventually he'd go too far (poor self
control, poor social skills, and a realistically poor self-image).
IOW "Bob" is just whining that he wants to claim the same credibility
as a real person without having to learn any manners.
> Hey, you should hear the names the Titanicacs call me.
>
Yep, them rivet-counters can be brutal.
DSK
Molesworth
Red <sai...@rhumbline.net> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Earnest as well as some other posters here.
> Although I post under the moniker most people who know me call me by, I
> have at one time years ago been the recipient of some net-nut's
> extensive harassment and will never give out my name indiscriminately on
> newsgroups anymore.
Many years ago when I first posted, I used my real name and addy on a
all NG's.
The resulting 'mail-bomb' from a protagonist caused me to change my
email account etc etc.
HTH
--
Molesworth
Vic Smith
>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:10:30 -0500, Molesworth <ukm...@bellsouth.net> said:
>
>>The resulting 'mail-bomb' from a protagonist
>
>I presume you mean an antagonist.
I assume he meant an asshole.
--Vic
Bob
> Oh, he could still say it all right... probably wouldn't though,
> because he'd be afraid that eventually he'd go too far (poor self
> control, poor social skills, and a realistically poor self-image).
> IOW "Bob" is just whining that he wants to claim the same credibility
> as a real person without having to learn any manners.
> DSK
Hey there DSK,
Actually i use this strategy to troll. I find that a certain
personality type responds to my posts in certain ways. Take your
response; Arrogance, criticism, name calling. And that information
gives me crucial insight into the quality and believability of the
information you post. that is, should I believe your onions? I find
those who do not get occupied with the personal stuff and stick to the
facts are a very useful information source.
Bob
dougk...@yahoo.com
Dave wrote:
> Probably that too, but when one tries to use a $3 word he ought to use the
> right $3 word. Otherwise best to stick to the cheaper spread.
The difference between the right word and *almost* the right word is
the difference between the lightning and the lightning bug.
Mark Twain
dougk...@yahoo.com
> Actually i use this strategy to troll.
Meaning that you don't have anything better to do with your time than
play childish games on the internet? Meaning that you don't have
anysubstantial interaction with other people, face to face, in the
course of your day? Maybe it's your breath?
> .... I find that a certain
> personality type responds to my posts in certain ways. Take your
> response; Arrogance, criticism, name calling.
I guess for some "personality types" just telling the truth equals
name-calling.
As for my own credibility, I'd prefer you to not believe anything I
post. In fact, I'd prefer you to not even read any of my posts. Your
doctor would probably advise the same.
DSK
Marty
> information you post. that is, should I believe your onions?
Well I wouldn't believe his onions, his leeks maybe, chives most likely
and shallots certainly.
Cheers
Marty
Capt. JG
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Doug isn't shallot.
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dougk...@yahoo.com
> >> information you post. that is, should I believe your onions?
>
> > Well I wouldn't believe his onions, his leeks maybe, chives most likely
> > and shallots certainly.
>
>
> Doug isn't shallot.
>
Just think, I'm only one typo away from being a shallop
DSK
Capt. JG
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Row, row, row yer boat....
Terry K
If you can get outside the box and adjust your attitude, it's also
possible he meant that he was in fact acting as the antagonist. Hero-
Shmeero, the victor writes the history books, cruising the spectrum of
context, so to speak, POV as a story telling tool, etc.
Devil or advocate, wassa difference between liars, eh?
Gotta keep an open mind, what?
Terry K
Bob
> Boys Club, go for it. I'll miss the information, but I doubt I'd want to
> participate in a forum that under the guise of a "greater sense of
> civility" is really about, or even that it results in, curtailing the
> free and open discussion of ideas.
Ah yes, the we are more Pure than you the un washed, un couth, and un
holy.
Its call the , " light as a becon on the hill" for all to follow
syndrom. i think Regan used it it as in, "we will serve as a becaon on
hill" or maybe it was a 'light". in other words, we are more pure
than you so follow us. try to be like us cause were better than you.
in our history it started with........ guess who............ yup, the
Puritans. why puritins? cause they were more pure than the rest...
better than the rest... more holy than the rest. The republicans use
that too. You know, the moral majority,family values folks...
personally Ill pass on the group who wants to segragate the "dirty
talkers". So you guys go "talk pretty" to each other. Ill stick with
the guy who is willing to tell me im one stupid fuck.
bob
Red
Ah yes, the we are more Pure than you the un washed, un couth, and un
holy.
Bob,
This was already resolved. According to Roger the group isn't changing,
just a webpage being added for those who want their info and pic on it.
It was a misunderstanding on my part that I was referring to in that post.
dougk...@yahoo.com
> Devil or advocate, wassa difference between liars, eh?
Intent & origin of the lies they tell.
> Gotta keep an open mind, what?
>
Agreed.
However, one does not want to keep one's mind *so* open that one's
brains fall out.
DSK
Capt. JG
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I thought I stepped on something... damn.
Terry K
> <dougking...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
10:02 AM 3/14/2008
Hmmm, I though I felt a little light headed there, for a minute.
See this.
CSIS focuses on homegrown terrorism threat
Spy agency studies issue of 'radicalization' of Canadian citizens
Ian Macleod, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Friday, March 14, 2008
It concludes "the transformation of a western-based individual to a
terrorist is not triggered by oppression, suffering, revenge, or
desperation. Rather, it is a phenomenon that occurs because the
individual is looking for an identity and a cause and unfortunately,
often finds them in the extremist Islam."
So, competition to be important is at the root? Pride? a need for
recognition, not to feel too diminutive?
Al Yankovich proudly said it best, in irony, " I am 10,000 times more
humble than thou art." on his Amish album.
There is not enough of that sort of thing going around.
Humility is the lesson all those galaxies and stars are supposed to
imbue.
Only hubris victims (who seem to be in the majority) would be unable
to discern that.
Only cruising sailors appreciate it, being unafraid to finish last and
being more interested in what happens during the cruise as opposed to
eagerly awaiting the bar boasting and protest arguments favored by
racing sailors, or similar contests between the drag boat racers.
Some ladies appreciate that. Some sailors prefer sailing alone.
Arguments or contemplation?
What is proposed (a legion of moderated sites, indexed here by
personal reputation) would provide no feedback to trolls, while
possibly keeping the info we dispense available, if a little obscured.
Long timers know. Newbies will show. who knows, maybe a site could
make the transition to paying web industry. There are costs. This
forum becomes a subject matter index, if you can believe (vetted?)
subject lines. Filter offenders, and you have your own personal
cruising database index. Or, blog yourself with key word interest,
ie. myboat.com (doesn't exist, yet? so, add the good sites to your
bookmarks and ignore the clamouring hoards seeking basic answers on a
usenet.
That's really what it's all about, the index. What use is an
encyclopedia if you can't find stuff in the indexing philosophy? So,
make your own.
Terry K
Capt. JG
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<< rant snipped >>
You gotta lay off the yellow snow... LOL
Gregory Hall
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Terry K" <tspra...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:65fff333-7683-4b8e...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> << rant snipped >>
>
> You gotta lay off the yellow snow... LOL
>
Only if you lay off the purple blotters!
--
Gregory Hall
Ryk
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"Roger Long" <str...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>I've noticed a correspondence here between the quality of the posts from
>those who use their real names and are open about who they are and those who
>hide under the cyber rocks and take their potshots from the shadows. It's
>not an absolute but it's a pretty good indicator.
Except for some verifiable exceptions like you Roger, I'm really not
sure which names are "real names" and which ones only sound like "real
names". For that matter, I'm not really sure how to tell that you
aren't impersonating the real Roger Long.
I don't think we need a vetting system here. The idiots are quite
obvious. Those who are credible talk about real experience with
particular boats. The idiots are certainly capable of sending you
something that sounds like a real name and a picture of somebody
else's boat and face.
I've been posting to usenet for 15 years as Ryk. It provides at least
a little disconnect between usenet and the rest of my life where my
"real name" is apparently still unique on Google.
As in all sorts of other venues, we should judge people based on their
contributions and interactions within that venue. There are certainly
members of my own yacht club who I have socially "killfiled" in real
life. We coexist in the same space, but I don't waste time on them,
and it isn't about issues from outside that space. If we all just
ignore them, then it will be almost as if they weren't there.
Cheers,
Ryk
Roger Long
> I don't think we need a vetting system here.
I don't either and that's not what it is. If you want people to respond to
you with some idea of what you and your boat look like, it's a way you can
do so. If not, fine.
>The idiots are quite
That's for sure.
Feel free to continue being the mysterious "Ryk".
--
Roger Long
RichH
'move' yourself to such 'moderated' groups such as CruisingSailors BB
http://www.cs-bb.com/forums/CSBB/index.cgi or the SSCA group
http://64.70.221.24/DiscBoard/
These are 'login' boards and Aholes are immediately drummed-out and
barred.
Gregory Hall
"RichH" <rhm...@att.net> wrote in message
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Must not work too well if YOU manage to use them.
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Ryk
<47deb764$0$24102$4c36...@roadrunner.com>
"Roger Long" <str...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
I'm not that mysterious. wellingtonhouse.org will lead you into some
pictures of me and my boat, and knowing her name is Dragon III will
get you a whole lot more information out of the Canadian Registry of
Ships.
Cheers,
Ryk
Capt. JG
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Nice boat! Which renaming ceremony did you use?
Roger Long
>
>
> Nice boat! Which renaming ceremony did you use?
>
Funny. Somebody just asked me in an email today about renaming ceremonies.
Here's what I told him:
I agree that renaming boats is fraught with peril and a proper ceremony is
essential to avoid angering the sea gods and having the vessel dogged with
bad luck for the rest of its days afloat.
The old name of "Strider" was "Research" which was, of course, perfect for a
designer of oceanographic vessels. However, a provision of the sales
agreement was that the name would be changed. I planned to just stick
"Ocean" above it to also reflect the move from fresh to salt water. A
provision of the funding mechanism however, turned out to be that the name
would be something from the "Lord of the Rings". I was in agony thinking of
being on the radio saying something like, "This is the yacht "Esm ella abba
gladriael". Thank goodness I remembered "Strider" and got it agreed to.
I then carefully followed the exact form of the name changing ceremony that
my superstitious nature has always felt best for avoiding the ills that can
befall the vessel whose name is changed carelessly.
Name Changing Ceremony:
Place ladder against transom.
Plug in heat gun.
Climb ladder.
Heat letters carefully.
Scrape off letters.
Stick new letters on.
Remove ladder.
Take a quick look and smile.
Take a picture.
Unplug heat gun.
So far, it seems to have worked for me :)
--
Roger Long
Capt. JG
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There's always someone lucky! However, here's unofficial, offical
ceremony....
http://www.sailnow.com/sail/denaming1a.html
Martin Baxter
Small world Ryk, I work at your sister institution in Kingston, the
military one. My nephew may have done some work for you last year, Steve D.
Cheers
Marty, (Wolfe Island)
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"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote:
>
>Nice boat! Which renaming ceremony did you use?
Thanks. I can't recall the details, but it involved food, drink,
friends, and appropriate offerings to various pagan gods ;-)
Ryk
Roger Long
>>Nice boat! Which renaming ceremony did you use?
>
> Thanks. I can't recall the details, but it involved food, drink,
> friends, and appropriate offerings to various pagan gods ;-)
>
Mine involved a cold day, a ladder, a heat gun, and some stick on letters.
Yours sounds like a lot more fun. Clearly, there are some aspects of boat
ownership I haven't gotten a handle on yet:)
--
Roger Long
Ryk
<47f12ee7$0$1086$4c36...@roadrunner.com>
"Roger Long" <str...@maine.rr.com> wrote:
Me neither, but from that escapade I know that the registry of ships
is rather particular about prompt notice of a variety of things. I
haven't yet found stick on letters that meet registry requirements for
size, so I may be illegal for a little while this spring. I think the
topsides paint should have a chance to cure before I put anything else
on it.
IIRC Strider just needs bow numbers to be legal, so affixing the name
could have waited. My son owned his boat for over two years and the
name never got on it, although we got in a little local trouble for
still having Michigan numbers on the bow. Nobody cared if the boat
name was visible when we transited the Welland as Goose.
Ryk