Anchor chain 'snubbing'
Capt. Billy Bones
Use 1/4"-3/8" nylon line about 20' long and tie it to a cleat or a lower
bob stay fitting if you have one. The line stretches so much (50%) that
there will never be a shock load on the cleat and it will be much quieter
at night. I used it on my Westsail 43 for 5 years in the South Pacific and
it was wonderful
Capt Billy Bones
mark johnson <ma...@markland.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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> My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
>
> What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and
> do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
>
> I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of thick/strong
> rubber to take the shock out of the chain
>
>
> ???
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Mark Johnson
> 'Eilidh'
> Halcyon 27
>
>
DBruckel
We use a grabhook of appropriate size with a length of nylon line
sufficiently long to cleat off the nylon line with the grabhook on the
chain at about the level of the water. The nylon will give to adsorb some
shock. As a secondary precaution, also cleat the chain down with about two
feet of slack.
mark johnson
James A. Chamblee
ma...@markland.demon.co.uk wrote:
> My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
>
> What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and
> do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
>
> I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of thick/strong
> rubber to take the shock out of the chain
Most people who use chain also have a windlass with a "stop" on it to
"snub" the chain. You would rarely need a rubber shock cord with chain.
The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice cushion.
Jim
Md.
Cade Johnson
I connect a 25 foot length of 5/8" nylon to my chain with an anchor
hook and secure the other end to a bow cleat.
I didn't know about snubbing the anchor chain when I first got my boat
(43' Polaris - 18 tons displ). I broke the undersized windlass that
was on the boat (a S-L 555) in 35 kt winds while anchored in open
water on Tampa Bay (I was serving as race committee boat - hence the
open water anchorage).
When the windlass broke that day, I learned about snubber lines real
fast. The first line I used to get the load off the windlass was 1/2"
nylon, about 10', deployed over the spare bow roller (bronze). This
line chaffed half through in 45 minutes. Then I wrapped a second line
with duct tape for chafe protection and deployed it the same way. That
line held all day.
For a 25' boat, I think 3/8 or 1/2 inch would be a good snubber, but
I'd use at least 15'. A real short piece may not stretch enough. Some
people use a kellet weight on the anchor to reduce the shock of a
tight chain, but that seems awkward for a 25' boat.
John T. Camm
James A. Chamblee wrote:
> The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice cushion.
James,
*Never* rely on the chain catenary to absorb shock. In heavy conditions,
it will become bar-tight and tear out your chain stopper or anchor
platform or worse. Use a snubber like Capt. Billy Bones says.
Regards,
John
Capt. Bill
mark johnson wrote:
> My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
>
> What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and
> do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
>
> I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of
> thick/strong
> rubber to take the shock out of the chain
>
> ???
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Mark Johnson
> 'Eilidh'
> Halcyon 27
I make my snubbers using Falcon Mooring Compensators which you get at
West or BoatUS. I splice a stainless clip on one end than run the line
through and around the compensator and whip the bitter end. The
compensator is made of highly elastic rubber and stretches to absorb the
shock load. They come in 3/8,5/8,3/4 and 1 inch sizes. Always remember
to use chafing gear.
Rodney Myrvaagnes
In message <3371C7...@concentric.net> - Cade Johnson <Ca...@concentric.net>
writes:
:>
:>I connect a 25 foot length of 5/8" nylon to my chain with an anchor
This is nowhere near enough. You should have at least half the rode nylon in
the extreme case, or you risk tearing out your deck fittings.
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a rod...@ibm.net
20 years without a car, a TV, or a home page
Capt. Bill
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James A. Chamblee wrote:
> ma...@markland.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> > My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
> >
> > What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and
> > do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
> >
> > I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of
> thick/strong
> > rubber to take the shock out of the chain
>
> Most people who use chain also have a windlass with a "stop" on it
> to
> "snub" the chain. You would rarely need a rubber shock cord with
> chain.
> The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice cushion.
>
>
> Jim
> Md.
Unless your boat is very light or your chain very large once the wind
gets strong enough the chain will come tight! Use a snubber you wont
regret it.
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<BR><I>> What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and</I>
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<BR><I>> I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of thick/strong</I>
<BR><I>> rubber to take the shock out of the chain</I>
<BR>
<BR>Most people who use chain also have a windlass with a "stop" on it to
<BR>"snub" the chain. You would rarely need a rubber shock cord with
chain.
<BR>The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice cushion.
<BR>
<BR>Jim
<BR>Md.
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Capt. Bill wrote:
>
> James A. Chamblee wrote:
>
> ma...@markland.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> > My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
> >
> > What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with
> it, and
> > do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
> >
> > I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece
> of thick/strong
> > rubber to take the shock out of the chain
>
> Most people who use chain also have a windlass with a "stop"
> on it to
> "snub" the chain. You would rarely need a rubber shock cord
> with chain.
> The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice
> cushion.
>
> Jim
> Md.
>
> Unless your boat is very light or your chain very large once the wind
> gets strong enough the chain will come tight! Use a snubber you wont
> regret it.
Using a snubber is always prudent with all chain rode! The shock from
the chain drawing up tight can damage the windlass as well as tearing
out a cleat etc. There are many sources for "how to" re snubbers eg
Crusing World, Sail Mag. etc. Standard method used by most cruisers is-
Attach a chain hook to a length of 5/8 nylon anchor line, 15 feet or so
will do. This makes a Snubber. Attach hook to anchor chain and let
more chain out until hook is just under water.Tie off snubber line to a
cleat. Then let out a little more chain until a slack loop forms and the
line is taking all the strain. Don't let anyone talk you into not using
a snubber.
Malcolm Oakes
mark johnson wrote:
>
> My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
>
> What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with it, and
> do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
>
> I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece of thick/strong
> rubber to take the shock out of the chain
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Mark Johnson
> 'Eilidh'
> Halcyon 27
Go to your local hardware srore and buy a chain hook. Unfortunately they
are only available cad plated and rust in two seasons. On the brite side
they cost under 3.00. Make up a length of line (15 feet) with a thimble
spliced into one end. connect to your chain hook with a galv shackle.
I've been doing this for nearly 30 years.
Malcolm
Jim and Dee Woodward
This is our choice also. Highly recommended.
Jim
--
In New Zealand, having fun and waiting
for the end of the cyclone season.
Then sailing west, home to Boston.
Edward J. Wagner
Nelson Kirsch wrote:
>
> Capt. Bill wrote:
> >
> > James A. Chamblee wrote:
> >
> >
> > > My new (25 y/o) boat has an all chain anchor 'rode'
> > >
> > > What do you use to 'snub' it. I have yet to anchor with
> > it, and
> > > do not fancy tieing the chain directly to the cleat.
> > >
> > > I believe that people use rope to tie it or even a piece
> > of thick/strong
> > > rubber to take the shock out of the chain
> >
> > on it to
> > "snub" the chain. You would rarely need a rubber shock cord
> > with chain.
> > The weight of the chain causes bowing which provides a nice
> > cushion.
> >
> > Jim
> > Md.
> >
> > Unless your boat is very light or your chain very large once the wind
> > gets strong enough the chain will come tight! Use a snubber you wont
> > regret it.
>
> Using a snubber is always prudent with all chain rode! The shock from
> the chain drawing up tight can damage the windlass as well as tearing
> out a cleat etc. There are many sources for "how to" re snubbers eg
> Crusing World, Sail Mag. etc. Standard method used by most cruisers is-
> Attach a chain hook to a length of 5/8 nylon anchor line, 15 feet or so
> will do. This makes a Snubber. Attach hook to anchor chain and let
> more chain out until hook is just under water.Tie off snubber line to a
> cleat. Then let out a little more chain until a slack loop forms and the
> line is taking all the strain. Don't let anyone talk you into not using
> a snubber.
in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or stern
is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a
hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at a
cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on deck,
and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).
Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you
been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for a
tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
AHAngelini
The chain hook is fast and easy to hook up to chain, however
when a good anchorage turns bad, and you want to ride it
out and not leave, you might want to tie the snubber to the
chain with a knot. By skipping the chain hook there is less chance
that it will pop out in the knarley stuff. On my chain hook there
was more chance for chafe than from a knot on the chain.
Not a bad idea to have a second snubber ready eh cappy?
yac...@sailing.lover.org
In article <3374C9...@gate.net>,
anch...@gate.net wrote:
> Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you
> been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
> force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for a
> tolerable anchorage.
Obviously, the most comfortable anchorages come with FAC conditions, but
storms happen! And when they happen, FAC suddenly becomes a mixing bowl.
When you no longer have the choice of a serene anchorage, then proper
ground tackle and anchoring systems not only add to your comfort, but
protect your boat as well.
>MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
> AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!!
Does the upper case make the above an "authoratative" statement?
Best,
Bryan
"Capella" Valiant 40 #158
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M. Therrien
"Edward J. Wagner" <anch...@gate.net> wrote:
>Why anyone would use anything other than "ROPE" (to avoid any confusion
>in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or stern
>is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a
>hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at a
>cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on deck,
>and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).
>Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you
>been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
>force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for a
>tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
>AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
MUCH ABOUT THIS POST THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
AUTHORATATIVE (sic) is UTTER NONESENSE (sic)!!!
X-no-archive: yes
Kim Coleman
Mark,
N. Kirsch gave you the best advice. I would add to it that the purpose of
the snubber is to allow the rode to stretch, so the size of your snubber,
1/2", 5/8", etc depends on the size and weight of your boat. You want a
snubber line that will provide ample stretch, but not break.
mark johnson
In article <19970511133...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
ahang...@aol.com "AHAngelini" writes:
This is obviously a subject that sailors have divided opinions over. I
will try anchoring with both a 'snubber' and without.
My guess is that with one is probably the method that protects the boat
the most. Even without storms or high seas, I have seen what chain can
do to fibre glass, so for the sake of the boat think the 'snubber' will
win out in the end.
I use the word 'snub' guardedly, as I think to snub actually mean
to tie off, but in the sense I have used it is to tie off with a
separate device, thats why one expected rope or a rubber device.
Many thanks for all wisdom
Capt. Bill
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> "Edward J. Wagner" <anch...@gate.net> wrote:
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> >Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have
> you
> >been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
>
> >force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for
> a
> >tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
> >AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
Your right, having only been boating for 35 years and a licensed 100 ton
captain for 15+ of those years I guess I should have kept my unfounded
opinions to myself. Is that the sound of people throwing their snubbers
over board? I don't think so!
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<BR><I>>Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you</I>
<BR><I>>been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava</I>
<BR><I>>force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for
a</I>
<BR><I>>tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE</I>
<BR><I>>AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner
anch...@gate.net</I>
<BR>
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Your right, having only been boating for 35 years and a licensed 100 ton
captain for 15+ of those years I guess I should have kept my unfounded
opinions to myself. Is that the sound of people throwing their snubbers
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> "Edward J. Wagner" <anch...@gate.net> wrote:
>
> >Why anyone would use anything other than "ROPE" (to avoid any
> confusion
> >in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or
> stern
> >is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a
>
> >hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at
> a
> >cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on
> deck,
> >and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).
> MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
> >AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
What you just described is a snubber!
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>"Edward J. Wagner" <anch...@gate.net> wrote:
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<BR><I>>Why anyone would use anything other than "ROPE" (to avoid any confusion</I>
<BR><I>>in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or stern</I>
<BR><I>>is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a</I>
<BR><I>>hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at
a</I>
<BR><I>>cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on deck,</I>
<BR><I>>and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).</I>
<BR><I> MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE</I>
<BR><I>>AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner
anch...@gate.net</I>
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Colin Starratt
"Edward J. Wagner" (anch...@gate.net) writes:
<SNIP>
> Why anyone would use anything other than "ROPE" (to avoid any confusion
> in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or stern
> is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a
> hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at a
> cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on deck,
> and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).
> Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you
> been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
> force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for a
> tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
> AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
What kind of a storm? Depends on the windage of your boat and how it
rides at anchor. If you have a pilothouse motorsailor like I do your rode
can tighten up in as little as 20 knots of wind, and dangerously so in 25
or 30 knots. As for a tolerable anchorage ... well, sometimes storms
actually come at night, when you can't safely escape through rocks and
reefs in the dark, or there simply isn't an alternative anchorage, waves
or not.
Still and all, Ed. I can't disagree with your final statement, even if you
are shouting! ;-)
Colin S.
Lee Mairs
I would only add that a chain hook similar to those
found on towing chains at the hardware store makes
attachment to the chain really easy. Ease in getting
loose is usually more important then getting secure in
my experience!
Lee Mairs
Security Marine Services
Bill Heinlen
Re: snubbers. Well, the guy who claims it takes a "storm" to
make chain stiffen up obviously hasn't been out there. In front of my
12,000 lb, 32' sloop, 200' of 5/16 would get mighty firm in 25-30
knots.
A couple of suggestions: I found that a big reefing hook worked
better than the chain hook I started with. And, in my opinion, longer
is better - more stretch.
bill_h...@CSUFresno.edu
Capt. Bill
Edward J. Wagner wrote:
> Why anyone would use anything other than "ROPE" (to avoid any
> confusion
> in using the proper term "line") to attach anchor chain to bow or
> stern
> is beyond belief. Snubbers? YOU DO NOT NEED IT -- OR WANT IT. Use a
> hook, sized to chain, and tie the "rope" to the hook and tie off at
> a
> cleat. This has two advantages: (1) eliminates bringing chain on
> deck,
> and (2) lowers pull on chain (at water level).
> Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have
> you
> been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
> force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for
> a
> tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
> AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
What you describe in the above paragraphs is a snubber!
Terry Schell
"Edward J. Wagner" <anch...@gate.net> writes:
<snip>
>Re comments about chain becoming "tight": what kind of storm have you
>been in? To get any size chain to pull "tight" requires one hellava
>force. At that point the seas are probably far too high to make for a
>tolerable anchorage. MUCH ABOUT ANCHORING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
>AUTHORATATIVE IS UTTER NONESENSE!! Ed Wagner anch...@gate.net
Well, I have been in 30 knot winds in which an all chain rode was
sufficiently tight to have no shock reduction. Not exactly a storm.
It might not have been bar tight, but the chain stopper was taking a
*hell* of a shock load until we rigged a 30 ft nylon snubber.
If you work a few numbers or do an experiment, you can see that
the weight of the rode is not a very efficient way to reduce shock
loads.
John T. Camm
mark johnson wrote:
> I use the word 'snub' guardedly, as I think to snub actually mean
> to tie off, but in the sense I have used it is to tie off with a
> separate device, thats why one expected rope or a rubber device.
Yes, I agree. In "Cruising Under Sail", Eric Hiscock uses the word
"snub" to mean *not* having any elasticity; he indicates that (as we all
know) a short piece of nylon "prevents snubbing."
Webster defines snub as "to check (as a line) suddenly when running out,
...."
So how they ever got to be known as snubbers is a good question.
Regards,
John
Mel Kowal
Does anyone know where a Devil's Claw chain hook for BBB 3/8" chain
can be purchased?
Mel Kowal
MEI LEE
GB42-809
Malcolm O'Hara
Try your local Ship Chandlery (ship supply co.)
Mel Kowal <mko...@home.com> wrote in article <3389fc4e.64178642@news>...
cmlove
I've found that the chain hook slips or jams, the allterative is a rated
for the working load thumb scew locking type snap shackle or climbing type
shackle. It's important that your snubber stays secured to the chain in all
conditions and that when you raise the chain and reaching the shackle , you
can unship it while the anchor and chain is still under load.
--
Christopher M. Love
Malcolm O'Hara <oh...@accesspro.net> wrote in article
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