She's in the money
Joe
"multi-million-dollar sponsorship bonanza"
It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.
Joe
Wilbur Hubbard
news:79711f1e-f9e8-4e35...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
She might even be able to afford a bag or two of that rip-off coffee of
yours, Joe.
Wilbur Hubbard
Joe
wrote:
> "Joe" <steelredcl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:79711f1e-f9e8-4e35...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/solo-sailor-jessica-watson-looking-a...
>
> > "multi-million-dollar sponsorship bonanza"
>
> > It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.
>
> > Joe
>
> She might even be able to afford a bag or two of that rip-off coffee of
> yours, Joe.
>
> Wilbur Hubbard
I'd be happy to send her a bag or two free Nellie.
In fact, if you ever left your rum soaked barco lounger and sailed
anywhere I'd send you a bag too. But that's never going to happen is
it?
Joe
Wilbur Hubbard
> I'd be happy to send her a bag or two free Nellie.
>
> In fact, if you ever left your rum soaked barco lounger and sailed
> anywhere I'd send you a bag too. But that's never going to happen is
> it?
If you were smart, you'd send her a couple bags of the boat blend and ask
how much it would cost to be a future sponsor. I told you to begin with that
she's a winner. I know sailing talent when I see it. That's one reason I got
so disillusioned with you, Joe. I thought you had sailing talent but you
proved otherwise. How can I ever forgive you for making me look so stupid?
Now, don't you go around trying to jinx Jessica. Like you said, she isn't
home yet and anything can happen. Somebody needs to warn her to not count
her chickens before they hatch. If she gets complacent she could end up not
making it.
Wilbur Hubbard
(typing and wirelessly sending from the desk aboard my blue water yacht,
'Cut the Mustard')
Larry
377aa0...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.
>
> Joe
>
>
Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?
--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"
Larry
Harry
> Joe<steelr...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:79711f1e-f9e8-4e35-bd25-
> 377aa0...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>
> Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?
>
>
Nice, Larry...after all these years, you're still jew-baiting.
Well, you ought to post in rec.boats. There's plenty of right-wing
haters in there these days...who pick on blacks, Latinos, women, or
anyone who doesn't share their rigid little thoughts.
Capt. JG
news:Xns9D2B884AF58...@74.209.131.13...
Larry, your racism really has no place here or anywhere.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com
Larry
9BCLxXWnZ2d...@posted.bayareasolutions:
Why isn't anyone allowed to make a JOKE with the word JEW in it?
Am I supposed to feel guilty? I don't.
If I make a joke about Baptists, noone complains. Why only Jews?
Capt. JG
Larry, you can make jokes about anyone you want. The problem is that your
history of racially motivated attacks is pretty clear, so your claim about
making jokes about other groups is a load of crap. Do what you want. I'm not
your mother, but I certainly am not going to just let it slide without
saying anything.
alber...@invalid.com
wrote:
And this is the News Group that has nurtured Wilbur for all these
years.
Albert
Stephen Trapani
A derogatory joke about Jews is racist, a derogatory joke about Baptists
is not racist. Pretty simple. If you were consistently derisive about
any other race, like Africans or Asians, you'd be getting the same
grief, maybe more.
Stephen
Harry
There's no such race as "Jew" or "Jewish," despite the best efforts of
some to make it seem so.
Stephen Trapani
There is no such thing as "race" period. But there is such a thing as
contemptible prejudice based upon genetics. We call that "racism."
Larry's psychological deficiency falls into that category.
Stephen
Harry
Oh, I won't disagree that Larry hates Jews. I've never viewed him as
more than a tragically comical delusional character.
Capt. JG
news:2i4io5l4brioimn80...@4ax.com...
Albert, I don't think nurtured is the right word, but I see your point. I've
spoken out about this sort of behavior previously.
Gregory Hall
news:zP-dncsy_9BCLxXW...@posted.bayareasolutions...
Says the 10X LSD dose-dropping, brain damaged netKKKop!
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:gdOdnQvhVJAU_RTW...@posted.bayareasolutions...
And proved you a very large hypocrite asshole. Mr. perfect running around
trying to tell people how and what to post and how to think.
Try to get it through your 10x LSD overdosed and damaged brain that you have
no leg to stand on.
Watch out, Larry, Gaynz has probably already fired of multiple bogus abuse
complaints to your NSP.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
news:qM2dnQKQk8tWxxTW...@earthlink.com...
Wrong! Haven't you ever seen all the Hymies race to the banks on Fridays to
deposit all their ill-gotten gains?
--
Gregory Hall
Molesworth
Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
I was walking the dog when I saw an (old) U-Haul truck with Stars of
David on the rear, made of insulating tape. I thought 'Jew-Haul'
Well, I thought it amusing as I walked away..
Nomen Nescio
66.176.108.112
Gregory Hall AKA Wilbur Hubbard IS A RAPIST
Designation: Sexual Offender
Name: CECIL WARREN
Status: Released - Required to Register
Department of Corrections #: Not Available
Date of Birth: 03/24/1943
Race : White
Sex: Male
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 147 lbs
Binghamton, NY 13905-1829
Broome COUNTY
More details at: http://offender.fdle.state.fl.us:80/offender/flyer.do?personId=35467
Bruce
The bloke was pointing out that most "Jews" are not genetically of
Semitic decent. Most of them are Slavic, or Germanic.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
alber...@invalid.com
And rather proves the validity of my previous statement. I don't see
Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.
Albert
Hoges in WA
"Stephen Trapani" <fahget...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:hZcin.28948$Ye4....@newsfe11.iad...
If I had had close friends on the USS LIberty, I would probably feel as
Larry does, particularly as Israel has gone unpunished for that particular
crime.
I didn't and I don't but I can understand those that do.
Bruce
I suggest that your statement is incorrect. Do some research on the
type of jokes told in the Catskill resorts, commonly known as the
Borsch Belt. Or read up on current Israeli humor. You will find that
the jokes are far more vicious then the rather innocuous remarks made
by Larry.
And, if you think that a joke about Baptists can't be derogatory have
a look at N. Irish humor, or even British, for that matter who not
only differentiate between "church" and "chapel" but also proper
schools and "red brick universities".
And is you want to hear really vicious ethnic humor listen to the
Chinese, if you want to talk about Asians.
In fact I have never been anywhere that the "people" didn't talk about
the "other people". I don't know that condemning something that
appears to be universal is entirely logical.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Capt. JG
news:nmdjo5t30brhl5ll6...@4ax.com...
> Larry saying those things about the Jews.... shoot, he doesn't even
> say those kind of things about Wilbur-Gregory-whatever.
>
>
> Albert
I can't imagine anyone here condoning Neal's behavior, and his continued
harassment of me _is_ a prime example. It's an individual attack and has
nothing to do with the subject of racism, at least nothing I can determine.
If you look at some of the stuff Larry's posted, you'll find he's said some
pretty vile things about Jews. But, believe what you want. I'm not going to
repeat them.
He popped up with his racist crap, and I called him on it. You seem to have
a problem with the latter, so whatever floats your boat.
Capt. JG
news:8Viin.10250$pv....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I do as well, but Larry has gone far beyond that incident and that country.
I won't repeat his posts, but he has.
Capt. JG
news:c5ejo5tal9sqhr0qh...@4ax.com...
I think there's a big difference between Borsch Belt humor and the many
racist comments Larry's made over the last, say, year. Perhaps you missed
them. I think Stephen recalls them, which was why he commented. I certainly
do. I called Larry on them then, and I do now.
Harry
The old borscht belt humor was about Jews telling jokes about Jews to
other Jews. Larry's anti-Jewish comments and "jokes" are grounded in his
anti-Semitism.
Harry
Bad things happen in war zones. Remember when the USS Vincennes shot
down Iran Air Flight 655 over the Persian Gulf, killing all 290 civilian
passengers on board, including 38 non-Iranians and 66 children?
Hoges in WA
I certainly do remember it - the Iran Air adopted an attack profile and
Vincennes reacted - Iranians testing what responses would emerge from the
scenario probably. I also remember the Korean Air which was probably doing
the same thing, testing a border response. Unfortunately, the casualties
were not in on the game plan and were not given an opportunity to decline to
participate.
Stephen Trapani
Really? So, say if you had a friend killed by a group of Africans you'd
start believing Africans were inferior to everyone else?
Stephen
Larry
news:kcdjo512k9fmgma52...@4ax.com:
> The bloke was pointing out that most "Jews" are not genetically of
> Semitic decent. Most of them are Slavic, or Germanic.
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
"at their peak in 1931, Ashkenazi Jews accounted for 92 percent of the
world's Jews. Today they make up approximately 80 percent of Jews
worldwide."
It's very hard to be antisemitic to people who've never been Semitic in
the first place.....
I suppose I could be antiAshkenazi, though, to be more correct, but not
politically correct.
Too bad Palestinians can't make an issue out of this and run the
bastards out of their country.
Ashkenazis are also the people who brought you the Soviet Union and the
KGB.
See also Khazaria.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
Fascinating reading. Kinda blows away a lot of "myth"....
Larry
29489C.134...@newsfarm.iad.highwinds-media.com:
> I was walking the dog when I saw an (old) U-Haul truck with Stars of
> David on the rear, made of insulating tape. I thought 'Jew-Haul'
>
> Well, I thought it amusing as I walked away..
>
>
That wasn't headed for the World Trade Center, was it?....(c;]
Hoges in WA
There's a difference between individual acts of violence and that generated
by the state.
However, my opinion of most Africans is already low, given the high success
rate they have in running shitholes of countries.
(BTW, I am not a racist, I am a bigot - I am most particular in what I am
prejudiced about.)
I
Capt. JG
Stephen Trapani
Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say
a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
to be killed?
Stephen
Lew Hodgett
"Capt. JG" wrote:
> You're really sick.
------------------------------
I put this clown in my KillFile years ago; however, he just doesn't go
away.
I wonder why?<grin>
( "Larry" <no...@home.com> )
Lew
Hoges in WA
No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
To illustrate the point:-
Genetically there is no difference between Palestinians and Jews. (the ones
from Israel) They are both Semitic. However, I generally dislike the
Palestinians and generally like the Jews. That demonstrates prejudice - I
prejudge based on my experiences.
With respect to Asians, I generally get on well with Chinese, although I am
not all that well disposed to those from Peking and prefer the company of
southerners - again, this is experience as I find the ones from the north
far quicker to espouse Chinese political aims and the ones from the south
more inclined to eat good food and drink heaps. I like the company of
Cantonese, but not party-liners from the capital.
This distinction also applies on Oz, as I generally am not all that well
disposed to people from Canberra (the capital) as they are far more liberal
elitist than the rest of Australia. I am led to believe that you people
have this problem with Washington DC apparatchicks also.
With respect to Africans, I would not countenance giving someone from the
Congo anything other than suspicion, whereas I'd be happy to relax in the
company of someone from Tanganyika. Unfortunately, in that blighted tribal
basket-case, there are very few tribes to like.
It has nothing to do with race and is all about track records, which is what
most people base their prejudices on. Most just don't recognise it or admit
it.
I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the opinion
he is.
I hope this makes it clearer.
Bruce
wrote:
Nope, you got it wrong. I wasn't saying that Larry shouldn't be
condemned, rather that if one individual is to be condemned for
something then equally everyone should be condemned if they, in this
case, bad mouth someone then condemn them, but don't let another
individual get away with the same sort of actions.
I remember Wilbur insulting Peggy until she vanished from the scene
however I don't remember legions leaping out of the woodwork to
condemn Wilbur.
If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Bruce
Yes, a group of Arabs (people from Arabia) killed a whole bunch of
your people and destroyed a lot of your real estate and you never say
a word. Right?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Bruce
wrote:
>"Bruce" <brucein...@invalid.com> wrote in message
I don't disagree with you however I see very little difference in
Larry making a pun of the word "Jew" and someone telling a joke about
Moses bragging that he "got him down to 10" at Grosinger's.
The point that seems to be missed is that words themselves are without
prejudice. Jews use the word "Jew", Blacks use the word "Nigger" and
hey! Black-fellows in Australia refer to "White-Fellows".
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Bruce
wrote:
Ah.. rather a prejudgment isn't that? Larry is anti-Semitic and thus
if he uses the word "Jew" twice in a row it is bad?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Geoduck
There's no question Larry has a strong dislike for folks who are Jewish.
He's expressed this many times over the years.
Stephen Trapani
>> Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say a
>> North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
>> then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
>> it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
>> to be killed?
>>
>> Stephen
>
> No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
> I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
[...]
> I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
> associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the opinion
> he is.
So, your experiences with people who have real cultural differences is
helping you understand someone who is racist. That makes no sense.
You just denied you would do what a vile racist has done and then used
an explanation of what you would do to say you understand the racist.
Stephen
Stephen Trapani
You should. Legions are always condemning him. How could you have missed it?
Stephen
Wilbur Hubbard
The Putz hides behind kill files. Self-imposed ignorance is Bruce at the
Bangkok Dock's wont.
Wilbur Hubbard
Larry
news:k6tko5h3ia9atmlo4...@4ax.com:
> If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
> and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
> then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?
>
>
>
Bruce, here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.
Wilbur Hubbard
>
> . . .here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
> context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
> word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
> supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.
>
>
What jew say, mon?
Wilbur Hubbard
Harry
> Bruce<brucein...@invalid.com> wrote in
> news:k6tko5h3ia9atmlo4...@4ax.com:
>
>> If you select one individual for using a word that you don't care for
>> and fail to condemn every other who does essentially the same thing,
>> then that rather smacks of prejudice doesn't it?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Bruce, here in Zionist America, you're not supposed to utter "Jew" in any
> context, whatsoever. It's become politically incorrect to just say the
> word and you'll be attacked for it. Anyone, who is not a Jew, isn't
> supposed to say "Jew", anywhere.
>
>
>
Now that you are "retired," perhaps it is time to stop blaming Jews for
your failure of a life, eh?
Capt. JG
I don't think you can use the example of Neal being a jerk or harassing
someone as an argument against condemnation of racial prejudice. You can't
equate one-on-one harassment with condemning a whole group of people based
on the color of their skin or their ethnic heritage. At least I don't see
how they're in any way comparable. What Neal did to Peggy was reprehensible,
and several people did come to her defense, but that's not "essentially" the
same thing. I'm not sure of your definition of legions. It's a pretty small
newsgroup.
In any case, I've said what I believe. If you believe something different,
fine.
Capt. JG
>> Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say
>> a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
>> then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
>> it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
>> to be killed?
>>
>> Stephen
>
> No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
> I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
I think that's a reasonable argument, but I have a question (or perhaps a
comment). Don't you think we need to struggle against our prejudices? I
think that allows us to make the claim we're fully human.
>
> To illustrate the point:-
> Genetically there is no difference between Palestinians and Jews. (the
> ones from Israel) They are both Semitic. However, I generally dislike
> the Palestinians and generally like the Jews. That demonstrates
> prejudice - I prejudge based on my experiences.
To use your point as the illustration... perhaps you don't know Palestinians
as well? Perhaps there's some other factor involved (up to you to share it).
I think we can't get away from have prejudices and bias, but we have a
choice of either fighting against those internal mindsets or "ignore" them.
I didn't comment below, but I think all of your points say about the same
thing...
> With respect to Asians, I generally get on well with Chinese, although I
> am not all that well disposed to those from Peking and prefer the company
> of southerners - again, this is experience as I find the ones from the
> north far quicker to espouse Chinese political aims and the ones from the
> south more inclined to eat good food and drink heaps. I like the company
> of Cantonese, but not party-liners from the capital.
>
> This distinction also applies on Oz, as I generally am not all that well
> disposed to people from Canberra (the capital) as they are far more
> liberal elitist than the rest of Australia. I am led to believe that you
> people have this problem with Washington DC apparatchicks also.
>
> With respect to Africans, I would not countenance giving someone from the
> Congo anything other than suspicion, whereas I'd be happy to relax in the
> company of someone from Tanganyika. Unfortunately, in that blighted
> tribal basket-case, there are very few tribes to like.
>
> It has nothing to do with race and is all about track records, which is
> what most people base their prejudices on. Most just don't recognise it
> or admit it.
>
> I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
> associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the
> opinion he is.
>
> I hope this makes it clearer.
>
>
>
>
>
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com
Capt. JG
Well, if that were all it was, I wouldn't have an argument, but the context
of his comment (all his previous and continuing diatribes about Zionism,
etc.) makes that a weak argument. The words themselves mean little, but the
context of them (especially of the particular speaker - any speaker) are
highly important to that understanding.
Capt. JG
Nope... dozens of times, probably more than that. Read through some of his
previous posts where he said A.H. didn't finish the job, etc.
Capt. JG
news:4b8a1739$0$18903$c3e...@news.astraweb.com...
Well, the funny think is Lew, Larry has a lot of interesting things to say.
I like reading his tech stuff and I've certainly taken a lot of stuff he's
said in that regard to heart. It would be nice if he could stick to that, as
he's quite knowledgeable.
Gregory Hall
You also stated that when you look at things they sometimes morph into
lizards. With that in mind, why should anybody care what your 10X LSD
overdosed mind believes about anything?
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
So why don't you stick to posting about illegal recreational drugs over in
alt.drugs as you are obviously quite knowledgeable about them having, by
your own words, taken just about every one imaginable?
Would you like to see that particular posting in all its glory one more
time?
--
Gregory Hall
Larry
> Well, if that were all it was, I wouldn't have an argument, but the
> context of his comment (all his previous and continuing diatribes
> about Zionism, etc.) makes that a weak argument. The words themselves
> mean little, but the context of them (especially of the particular
> speaker - any speaker) are highly important to that understanding.
>
>
Without Zionism, America wouldn't be in the shitty position it is in
today, fighting Israel's wars for them.
Iraqis and Afghans aren't near the threat to America that the now-
nuclear-weapon-carrying-submarined Zionist state is. Every one of you
Americans are now in range of Israeli nuclear weapons, thanks to the
Germans who sold them 5 submarines for their delivery, any place on the
planet.
Capt. JG
Why don't you tell us again how Hitler didn't finish the job.
Gregory Hall
news:YvudnfVZiqKsaRfW...@posted.bayareasolutions...
Why don't YOU tell us again how Timothy O'Leary didn't finish the job?
--
Gregory Hall
Harry
Larry "thinks" the Israelis are going to attack the U.S.
So, Larry, you would have been happier if the Germans had been able to
complete the final solution, eh?
Joe
> Joe <steelredcl...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:79711f1e-f9e8-4e35-bd25-
> 377aa0a7c...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > It's bad JuJu to count your eggs at sea.
>
> > Joe
>
> Talking about money, wouldn't that be bad JewJew?
>
> "iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"
>
> Larry
Sheeze Larry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBYufgDZBxs
Juju's the place you dont want to go.
Joe
Bruce
wrote:
As I said in another message. You are judging Larry not on his actual
remark but on what you perceive, from his previous activities, as an
unacceptable attitude. Just as Larry's conception of the people he is
talking is based on some preconceived notion.
Is there a difference?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Joe
wrote:
> "Joe" <steelredcl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f66f2ceb-7049-45c0...@15g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I'd be happy to send her a bag or two free Nellie.
>
> > In fact, if you ever left your rum soaked barco lounger and sailed
> > anywhere I'd send you a bag too. But that's never going to happen is
> > it?
>
> If you were smart, you'd send her a couple bags of the boat blend and ask
> how much it would cost to be a future sponsor. I told you to begin with that
> she's a winner. I know sailing talent when I see it. That's one reason I got
> so disillusioned with you, Joe. I thought you had sailing talent but you
> proved otherwise. How can I ever forgive you for making me look so stupid?
>
> Now, don't you go around trying to jinx Jessica. Like you said, she isn't
> home yet and anything can happen. Somebody needs to warn her to not count
> her chickens before they hatch. If she gets complacent she could end up not
> making it.
>
> Wilbur Hubbard
> (typing and wirelessly sending from the desk aboard my blue water yacht,
> 'Cut the Mustard')
Sorry Nellie, we do not sell "blends" just single source estate coffee
hand picked and selected with care. We do this to provide our
customers with bold yet smooth as velvet flavors. Our "Boat Roast" is
a Costa Rican Coffee from the Tres Rio's region. Robust in body, deep
in flavor, bursting with aroma.
Looks like Jessica did not "cut a deal with the Devil" and rounded the
horn staying a hundred miles or so offshore. She's on the home stretch
now.
Joe
Bruce
wrote:
As I have commented, you are judging Larry based on how you perceive
him based on his activities.. of course, the Southerner who see
indolent Negro and conceives the notion that Negros are lazy, or the
Australian who sees Aborigines reeling drunk in the streets and
conceives the notion that Black-fellows are worthless, or the Thai who
observes that drunken tourists groping the prostitute and conceives
that foreigners are really pretty sleazy people are prejudicial.
Right?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Stephen Trapani
> "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in
> news:RuudnVfvnNaEJBfW...@posted.bayareasolutions:
>
>> Well, if that were all it was, I wouldn't have an argument, but the
>> context of his comment (all his previous and continuing diatribes
>> about Zionism, etc.) makes that a weak argument. The words themselves
>> mean little, but the context of them (especially of the particular
>> speaker - any speaker) are highly important to that understanding.
>>
>>
>
> Without Zionism, America wouldn't be in the shitty position it is in
> today, fighting Israel's wars for them.
Sure they would. America is in the position of having to defend numerous
democracies against numerous different tyrannies. Israel is only one of
many. One of the best, but one of many.
> Iraqis and Afghans aren't near the threat to America that the now-
> nuclear-weapon-carrying-submarined Zionist state is. Every one of you
> Americans are now in range of Israeli nuclear weapons, thanks to the
> Germans who sold them 5 submarines for their delivery, any place on the
> planet.
Woops. Slipping into kook mode again. Real democracies have never fought
significant wars against each other and probably never will.
Stephen
Bruce
wrote:
Well, we agree on one thing anyway :-)
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Harry
Oh, please...what we don't need is a misinformed, misguided apologetica
for Larry's hatred of jews.
Stephen Trapani
Right, judging him based upon his own acts. No prejudice involved, and
it's the best way of judging someone.
> of course, the Southerner who see
> indolent Negro and conceives the notion that Negros are lazy, or the
> Australian who sees Aborigines reeling drunk in the streets and
> conceives the notion that Black-fellows are worthless, or the Thai who
> observes that drunken tourists groping the prostitute and conceives
> that foreigners are really pretty sleazy people are prejudicial.
> Right?
Right, prejudice is judging an entire group based upon the actions of a
few in that group. It is a fallacy and a very poor, not to mention,
evil, way of judging anyone.
Stephen
Capt. JG
Heh... well, that's something for sure!
Capt. JG
Ummm.... it's not preconceived if it's a historical fact. It's barely a
judgment, more so a recitation of fact. As you can see from his very recent
comments, it wasn't a joke in isolation. Rather, it was a beginning (again)
of his racist rant. Perhaps I could have waited a couple of hours, but I was
pretty sure what was coming, and I was proved correct. :-) So, yes, there's
a diff.
Capt. JG
See my other comment, but how would anyone be able to judge someone without
some factual backup? The person in question inevitably falls into his racial
diatribe, which is what he did. So, from his view a Southerner who observes
a black behaving badly who them condemns all blacks would be in my view a
racist, because you can't judge an entire people based on a few bad people.
Capt. JG
news:ifHin.53006$0N3....@newsfe09.iad...
Correct. I'm not judging all people who's first name is Larry based on
Larry's behavior. Yet Larry is basing his view of Jews on the actions of a
very few. In fact, he goes well beyond just judging them. He makes vast
leaps in logic to support his notion of them being evil.
Bruce
Weren't both the United States (USA) and the Confederated States of
America (CSA) democracies? and didn't they fight a war? Wasn't it
significant?
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Lew Hodgett
"Bruce" wrote:
> Weren't both the United States (USA) and the Confederated States of
> America (CSA) democracies? and didn't they fight a war? Wasn't it
> significant?
--------------------------------
Actually they were Republics, not democracies, but what the hell.
Lew
Ron
No. The so-called CSA were a coalition of reb redneck advocates of
White Supremacy, moonshiners, and inbred Scots-Irish ridge-runners.
Those with "education" were distinguishable from the rest mostly in that
they coulld read the bible, so gleaned from it's pages the means to stay
sober long enough to accumulate more money to purchase better uniforms,
horses and sabers for glorious slaughter.
The CSA was never a country, just as pirates are not a country, though
they can readily stitch together a flag.
And with women vote less and Jim Crow controlling polls even after
Abolition, the Union wasn't a democracy either.
Even now with a 2-party political system, each party selling their
legislative votes to the highest bidder, you can't call the U.S. a
democracy.
It is more accurately called an "Auction Form of Government."
The Union side preserved that.
And Larry is an anti-Semite in his speech, otherwise he would wouldn't
say Jew this and Jew that.
Anti-Israel speech can be political, but anti-Jew speech is anti-Semitic.
Larry likes to spout off and use his right of free speech to generate
controversy, mostly tin-hat powered, but booze amps it up.
I don't see him as evil-hearted to where he would drop the cyanide pills
in a gas chamber.
But much like the members of the aforementioned CSA, he's a redneck
souse at heart, so without reins on him, no telling what he'd do.
One thing for sure. Since alcohol is known to kill brains cells, he was
surely once a genius.
Again proving that a lick of common sense is not a requirement for
"genius."
Lew Hodgett
> Lew
--------------------------------
Opps, Try Representative not Republic.
Lew
Capt. JG
Do you really consider the CSA a legitimate democracy in the sense that
_all_ it's people were represented? Certainly, the blacks weren't.
I don't think Lincoln did.
Harry
The confederacy was an abomination, not a country.
Bruce
wrote:
>"Bruce" <brucein...@invalid.com> wrote in message
The Republican's stated position on Slavery in 1860 was simply that it
wouldn't be allowed to expand into new territories. Lincoln did not
campaign on freeing the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation freed
slaves in states revolting against the U.S.A. The initial proclamation
only stated that slaves would be freed in "in any state of the
Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by
January 1, 1863". The second proclamation, of 1863, freed them. Slaves
were not freed in states not in rebellion.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Bruce
wrote:
Certainly the CSA was a legitimate in 1861 as the Continental Congress
was in 1775.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Harry
Nope.
Capt. JG
Do you believe Lincoln consider the Confederacy a legitimate democracy? Do
you think he though slavery was ok?
Hoges in WA
> Hoges in WA wrote:
>
>>> Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say
>>> a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
>>> then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
>>> it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
>>> to be killed?
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>
>> No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
>> I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
>
> [...]
>> I have a different Jewish experience to Larry's, and I have many Jewish
>> associates and friends but as I said, I understand why he is of the
>> opinion he is.
>
> So, your experiences with people who have real cultural differences is
> helping you understand someone who is racist. That makes no sense.
>
> You just denied you would do what a vile racist has done and then used an
> explanation of what you would do to say you understand the racist.
>
> Stephen
I understand why he's angry.
Hoges in WA
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Hoges in WA" <tzhog...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:expin.10302$pv....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group. Say
>>> a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours. Would you
>>> then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed? If they did
>>> it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are inferior and deserve
>>> to be killed?
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>
>> No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
>> I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
>
> comment). Don't you think we need to struggle against our prejudices? I
> think that allows us to make the claim we're fully human.
That would be an ideal. On an intellectual level, I get an Arab magazine
bi-monthly and have received it since 1977.
I have learned a lot about Arab culture, history, literature and achievement
(Ibn Battuta was a bit of a cruiser!).
I can distinguish between an educated Arab and a Palestinian thug from a
criminal family. However, until I know where they come from, I treat them
with suspicion and relax once I know.
If I'm wandering along a street in my home town and a group of Australian
Aborigines is coming towards me, male or female, my defences are up at once.
If at all possible, I'll cross the street - I can't afford time off work to
attend court cases.
That's pre-judging or, prejudicial. It's discriminatory, based on hard-won
experience. It's also something I will not stop doing and something I won't
stop complaining about until they begin to behave.
If, on the other hand, I was to encounter a group of aborigines in Cairns,
on the other side of the coutnry, I would be more likely to be interested
rather than suspicious, as most of them have a job and a future to protect.
I think everyone discriminates, even lefties who say they don't - I just
admit I do.
My attitude is roundly criticised by many of our acquaintances (my wife's
really) but mention "American" to an Oz lefty and you get rolled eyes,
sneers etc.
They don't see their discrimination as being as bad as mine because they
think they're entitled to "that" prejudice and I'm not entitled to mine.
Just makes my sniping worse.
Hoges in WA
snipped
Bruce
wrote:
I suspect that Lincoln, as well as most of the thinking northern
population (as opposed to those who read Uncle Tom's Cabin and thought
it to the whole truth) probably considered slavery simply as an
unpalatable condition.
Lincoln was a rather controversial individual. His wife was from a
prominent, slave owning, Kentucky family, as a lawyer he defended both
slave owners as well as, at least in one case a Black. He was a member
of the Republican which opposed slave owning but held the viewpoint
that the Constitution prevented the banning of slavery in those states
where it already existed. He proposed that if slavery was abolished
that slave owners be compensated for the value of the freed slaves. He
was considered a moderate by other Republicans, Stephen Douglas
accused him of not being consistent and altered his message and
position on slavery and on the political rights of freed blacks in
order to appeal to the audience he was addressing. Regarding the
revolution he specifically that the fight was to preserve the Union
and NOT to free the slaves and that "If I could save the Union
without freeing any slave I would do it" - letter to the New York
Tribune 22 Aug 1862.
Did Lincoln perceived the CSA as a legitimate democracy? I doubt very
much that his thinking ever went that far. He certainly considered it
as a group in rebellion against the legitimate government and probably
never gave any thought to whether it was "democratic" or not.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
KLC Lewis
"Harry" <naled...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Women weren't granted the right to vote until 1920. Does this then mean that
the United States was not a legitimate democracy until that date? Or were
women "represented" by the vote of some man who was appointed their
"guardian"? And if the latter, would not the same apply to those bound by
slavery also?
Throughout history, "Democracy" has rarely meant that ALL the people had a
vote. This is not intended as an indictment of democracy, nor to support the
idea that some people should be disenfranchised, but simply to point out a
very basic fact.
Based upon the very principles stated in the Declaration of Independence,
the Confederate States of America was a separate and sovereign nation (or
Confederation of Sovereign States) immediately upon declaring their status
as a separate nation. Whether or not one approves of their form of
government is irrelevent to the discussion. It is instructive to note,
however, that states left the Union and joined the Confederacy by VOTING to
do so. Pretty democratic if you ask me.
And no, I am NOT defending slavery, segregation, racism, separatism or
anything of the kind.
KLC Lewis
--
KLC Lewis
WISCONSIN
Where It's So Cool Outside, Nobody Stays Indoors Napping
www.KLCLewisStudios.com
Capt. JG
>
> "Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Ue6dnVyue7MMJRfW...@posted.bayareasolutions...
>> "Hoges in WA" <tzhog...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:expin.10302$pv....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> Hm, no wonder you're sympathetic. Lets try again with another group.
>>>> Say a North Korean ship accidentally killed some friends of yours.
>>>> Would you then think all Asians are inferior and deserve to be killed?
>>>> If they did it on purpose would you *then* think all Asians are
>>>> inferior and deserve to be killed?
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> No, you're missing the distinction between racism and bigotry.
>>> I am selective in my prejudices, not racially biased.
>>
>> I think that's a reasonable argument, but I have a question (or perhaps a
>> comment). Don't you think we need to struggle against our prejudices? I
>> think that allows us to make the claim we're fully human.
>
> That would be an ideal. On an intellectual level, I get an Arab magazine
> bi-monthly and have received it since 1977.
I think the struggle is the important part. No one can be 100% successful
(unless you're a saint).
We all have deep-seated prejudices, but we can and should strive to overcome
them.
>
> I have learned a lot about Arab culture, history, literature and
> achievement (Ibn Battuta was a bit of a cruiser!).
>
> I can distinguish between an educated Arab and a Palestinian thug from a
> criminal family. However, until I know where they come from, I treat them
> with suspicion and relax once I know.
>
> If I'm wandering along a street in my home town and a group of Australian
> Aborigines is coming towards me, male or female, my defences are up at
> once. If at all possible, I'll cross the street - I can't afford time off
> work to attend court cases.
>
> That's pre-judging or, prejudicial. It's discriminatory, based on
> hard-won experience. It's also something I will not stop doing and
> something I won't stop complaining about until they begin to behave.
It's also called self-preservation, and I don't see something wrong with it.
The circumstance has a lot to do with it. If you were attending some
professional conference that had a lot of Aborigines in attendance, would
you feel the same way while listening to a lecture? Crime is crime, and it's
reasonable to take precautions, but I would have the same reaction if I were
about to encounter a bunch of skin heads.
>
> If, on the other hand, I was to encounter a group of aborigines in Cairns,
> on the other side of the coutnry, I would be more likely to be interested
> rather than suspicious, as most of them have a job and a future to
> protect.
Right... I didn't read this until after I typed previously. :-)
> I think everyone discriminates, even lefties who say they don't - I just
> admit I do.
I think anyone who is being intellectually honest would say they either do
or struggle mightily not to.
> My attitude is roundly criticised by many of our acquaintances (my wife's
> really) but mention "American" to an Oz lefty and you get rolled eyes,
> sneers etc.
>
> They don't see their discrimination as being as bad as mine because they
> think they're entitled to "that" prejudice and I'm not entitled to mine.
>
> Just makes my sniping worse.
Yes. Entitlement... that's a harbinger of unfettered prejudice.
Capt. JG
Thus, he didn't think it was legitimate, and he was troubled by slavery. I
appreciate the history lesson, but I've read quite a bit about Lincoln (Team
of Rivals most recently).
Capt. JG
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Excellent point! For it's time, it would have been considered legitimate. At
least around the turn of the century. The Greeks started the silly business,
there were some in the Middle East and elsewhere in the Middle Ages, and it
went on from there.
> Throughout history, "Democracy" has rarely meant that ALL the people had a
> vote. This is not intended as an indictment of democracy, nor to support
> the
> idea that some people should be disenfranchised, but simply to point out a
> very basic fact.
Very true.
> Based upon the very principles stated in the Declaration of Independence,
> the Confederate States of America was a separate and sovereign nation (or
> Confederation of Sovereign States) immediately upon declaring their status
> as a separate nation. Whether or not one approves of their form of
> government is irrelevent to the discussion. It is instructive to note,
> however, that states left the Union and joined the Confederacy by VOTING
> to
> do so. Pretty democratic if you ask me.
Well, that's a tricky point... does voting in and of itself define a
democracy? Take a limiting case... How about three people getting together
and voting on murdering someone? Does that make their group a democracy?
The first sentence here is a working definition I suppose, but it also seems
limited somehow... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
> And no, I am NOT defending slavery, segregation, racism, separatism or
> anything of the kind.
>
> KLC Lewis
I don't know anyone in Wisconson who defends slavery, segregation (perhaps
related to cheese), racism, separatism (see cheese reference)....
Capt. JG
<< snipped >>
OT: Are you still getting out this way?
Wayne.B
<tzhog...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>I think everyone discriminates, even lefties who say they don't - I just
>admit I do.
Of course. It is deeply imbedded in our genes as a survival
mechanism. To deny that, is to deny the origins and history of
mankind. The challenge is to transcend gut level instinct and not
discriminate when it is inappropriate.
A more subtle issue is whether or not cultural discrimination is
appropriate as opposed to racial discrimination. It is very difficult
to advance your own cultural beliefs, particularly with your children,
without downplaying others.
Hoges in WA
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
That last line of yours is probably the universal underlying factor and to
either remove it or minimise it, someone has to move first.
(and like everyone else, I always say - Well, I'm not going to, you do it.)
Hoges in WA
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
No entirely sure. Retirement plans very much on track, though.
Turned 58 the other day and on countdown. I have a replacement for me at
work and he's shaping up well. I'll be happy to leave my long-term clients
in his hands when I go.
My wife is still on the Chemo thing for a while (got one today) but she's
very much onside with going as soon as we can. I'm hoping to spend some
time this year on some different boats to widen my ideas a bit.
Guesstimating being in the USA in about Feb '11. Had Florida pretty much
pegged as the place to buy but Roger has suggested a serious look at
freshwater.
If we're coming all that way, I'd like to call in and see you. Wouldn't
mind a look at Candlestick before it goes, too.
Hoges in WA
"Wayne.B" <waynebatr...@hothail.com> wrote in message
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That's true - you do it in many ways.
Capt. JG
So, sorry to hear about your wife... didn't know. I hope she gets better
soon.
Bruce
wrote:
True that he didn't think of it a legitimate government but rather as
a bunch of rebels but I doubt that he thought of it as a democratic or
non-democratic bunch of rebels, which was your point that I was
answering.
Cheers,
Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)
Capt. JG
Hoges in WA
"Capt. JG" <jg...@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
She's on the mend but a bit on the weak side. The good thing (and she says
this herself) is that she now knows that the piece of string isn't as long
as she thought it was, so we go early with less and not wait to make just
that little bit more.
Maybe I could call in on Pineapple too?
Maybe I could get in a niners game?
I'll just keep racking up reasons to visit!
Hoges in WA
Richard Casady
wrote:
>Weren't both the United States (USA) and the Confederated States of
>America (CSA) democracies? and didn't they fight a war? Wasn't it
>significant?
Of course, the US was not a democracy.
Casady
Bruce
You are being awful technical here. Has there been any pure
democracies? Even the Athenian "democracy" wouldn't be considered as
such in today's enlightened society; after all the women and slaves
didn't get to vote :-)
The early Scandinavians had the "Thing" that was somewhat of a town
Meeting sort of thing but again, women and slaves needn't apply.
Bruce
Bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)