Swedish Kosterbat plans/info/photos request
CaptSammy
appreciate any type of information on these beautiful boats. I would most
definitely like to receive photos and experiences from anyone still sailing such a
boat.
I am currently contacting WoodenBoat magazine for contact information for
the owner of Elly in WB162 and the designer that took the lines from her
also, Michael Mason of Bridgewater NS, but would like anything that I can
gather from the resources here also.
Thanks,
Sam
P.C.
Check this link
http://www.lagerholm.com/fab/boat.html
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These boat types are spread all over scandinavia. When you find the Koster boat
so nice, you shuld look into how the influence from the Norwegian Hvaler boat
spread down the swedish coast, refining into Koster and Lynaes boats in sweden
and Denmark.
These are very tradisional boat types, where from what I know, the Koster
develobed a mirror and the Lynnaes types kept the double ends but became even
more shallow compared with length and widge.
But nomatter you know that Koster develobed a mirror or you are talking about
double enders, there are a few saved and museums have several of these types
measured. Around "The sund" - the water between Dk. and Sweden and round the
north coast of the Dk. island Sjaelland ( where copenhagen is placed), there
allway's been a few "Koster" boats laying around the small harbours, as small
fishing boats.
P.C.
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>Looking for on-line information in particular but would greatly
Sorry I forgot a few links;
this one from "Traebiten" ( the wood chip ) that is a club magasin for swedish
wooden boat entusiasts , ------ maby this is the design you are looking for, but
here it's named from "Bohuslaen" that is a part of sweden like Koster is from
what I know a small town, in that arear ;
http://hem.fyristorg.com/bohusjulle/trabiten.html
Sorry Im'e danish not swedish so I don't know much about this.
Anyway there still are tradisional wooden boat builders as you can se ;
http://www.trabaten.com/
And this link is maby working for you ;
http://www.maringuiden.se/trabiten
A search on the word; trabiten shuld show some links in sweden.
Have a nice day.
P.C.
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P.C.
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>Looking for on-line information in particular but would greatly
>appreciate any type of information on these beautiful boats. I would most
>definitely like to receive photos and experiences from anyone still sailing
such a
>boat.
Now I don't know if you can read swedish, but there are quite some information
in this link ;
http://hem.fyristorg.com/bohusjulle/tra1.html
It describe how the type you name Koster but I tink is the same as they in
swenden call "bohusjulle", develobed different types in Denmark and sweden.
Still they mostly come from the "hvaler" boat ; named from a small town on the
border of Norway -Sweden.
If you like, I can make a lame translasion swedish-english. of the site.
Pekka Huhta
>Looking for on-line information in particular but would greatly
>appreciate any type of information on these beautiful boats. I would most
>definitely like to receive photos and experiences from anyone still
>sailing such a boat.
There are several plans for different koster designs at Axel Gustafsson's
boat designs http://surf.to/boat.design/ (straight link to the plans is
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-21404/boats/list.html )
In Finland there are several boatbuilders still building these. There is a
very famous boat series called "Scylla", wooden clincker-built boats,
which are a very succesfull combination of traditional Koster and North
Sea lifeboat by Colin Archer. There are over 70 of them built, the one at
the boatyard today is number 73.
There are three sizes of these Scylla-boats, from 8,7 m to 9,6 m. The
newest one, which is being built at the moment is 10,6 m long and the
first of that size.
Unfortunately there is very few good photos of those boats in net, the
only ones that I know are at
http://www.pss.fi/oxu/scylla.htm and
http://www.puuvene.net/Lehti/1995-4/Nalle_Pu.html
The designer of these boats can be contacted at
Sado Marin
Nyberg Bjorn
Lankoorintie 106
29120 VERKKORANTA
Finland
As many old-timers, Bjorn Nyberg doesn't have an e-mail address. He and
his son build two boats a year and another builder Ismo Lilja one boat per
year.
A Koster is quite common boat around the Finnish coast and there are at
least thirty-something boatbuilders around the Finnish coastline, who
could build you one.
I hope this was of some help.
Best regards,
Pekka Huhta
editor of Puuvene.net, a Finnish online woodenboat magazine at
http://www.puuvene.net
(unfortunately the magazine is only in Finnish, but have a look at the
photos anyway...)
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CaptSammy
Thank you very much for the very informative reply. One thing I wonder
about the Koster is how she sails? Will she be a slow boat that struggles
to go upwind? Is she stable?
Great hearing from you, I wish I could read your beautiful magazine.
Thanks,
Sam
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CaptSammy
into. I really like the wide and low looks of the Kosters and other
designs from your region. It was great hearing from across the pond.
Thanks again,
Sam
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P.C.
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>Thank you for the reply and great link.
Now I just refered to denmark, norway and sweden ; but you realy shuld check
finland boats as you will find it all there.---- in terms of boat design, sweden
and Finland is very alike, guess that have historic resons Also if you want to
be "up to date" , you shuld look for the local north finland and north norwegian
boat types ; there the stern round back into the boat and true lapstrake
technike develobed into Art. If you fancy one of those fast norvegian lapstrake
"sjaekt" types , these types build far north round the russian border is from
what I think, the last remains of the true Viking boatbuilding technology .
The Koster boats was a brance in a develobment, that carried many different
design issues. You can say that Colin Archer's fingerprint is when a hull don't
carry concave lines. -------- Most of C.A.'s designs all show convex hull lines,
where the Viking ships made the use of concave lines into an Art in itself.
Acturly The Koster and the C.A. boats have the same originates, as Colin Archer
like most other designers, worked from the boats that was most popular making
them better ,from his own idears.
Bad though, that those boats he designed, was designed as wooden boats as for
carafsmen ,the materials allway's been a major design factor. Acturly in such a
degree, that if you copy the lines of a tradisional pram type dinghie into a 3D
model and unfold the paneling, ----- you will se that each plank have the shape
of the tree's avaible ; wide one end and narrow in the other end.
Cutting a strait grown tree into planks and building a dinghie from what shape
the natural shaped planks allow, you end up with an norwegian pram type ;))
So if Colin Archae had had a computer and a water jet cutter or a CNC-punching
mashine, he proberly would have been able to design even more safe rescue
vessels, ------- beside he proberly would have chosen to make the framework last
much longer than the paneling ;))
have a nice day.
P.C.
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pekka...@puuvene.net
>Thank you very much for the very informative reply. One thing I wonder
>about the Koster is how she sails? Will she be a slow boat that struggles
>to go upwind? Is she stable?
Stable she is and very seaworthy, and that is the primary design argument.
Remember that these boats have evolved from workboats and they are not far
from their roots. This means that they are more stable than fast. The
upwind performance is not brilliant and the full lines in the bow area
tend to slow her down in heavy seas.
It is all relative. I have a small fishing boat which has been evolved
from the same origin as a Koster. (
http://www.puuvene.net/phuhta/Manta_en.htm ) With small sprit sail the
upwind performance doesn't impress anyone, but it still beats rowing by a
good margin. The upwind performance depends from your perspective: a gaff
rig is worse than hi-perf bermudan, long keel is worse than fin keel, wood
is worse than... You just have to decide where to put the line between
traditionality and "performance".
Some comparison: we have a big woodenboat race (The Viapori Mug) every
year. The results might give a some sort of an impression about the
performance. Let's put the Scylla boats (a good average of a koster)
against a few other designs:
-6 mR, a true race machine http://www.6mR.fi
-Weekend-kryssare, a "family cruiser"
http://www.hut.fi/~lrahikai/weekend/esittely.html
- Folkboat, a smaller clinker built racer/cruiser http://www.folkboat.com/
The fastest boats on different years
Scylla 6mR Weekend Folkboat
1997 3:43 2:17 3:21 2:54
1998 2:58 2:12 3:14 2:34
1999 5:12 2:42 4:26 3:22
2001 5:53 3:44 4:06
On a good year the time is quite close to the others. Generally the koster
boats are undercanvassed comparing to others and benefit from high wind
unless there is very long legs against the wind.
Generally: a koster is a seaworthy, safe and sound vessel, but it won't
point very high and doesn't like sharp head sea. I would put it into the
"workboat" category as, for example British smacks and bawleys. Stunningly
beautiful boats, which have been just about the best available workboats
of their time.
Pekka
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