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experience with BUKH DIESEL anyone?

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Scooby Doo

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Feb 11, 2002, 9:52:44 AM2/11/02
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Hello Everyone:
I'm planning to buy a diesel engine ( ten hp ) with saildrive in the next
month or two for my boatbuilding project.
I have looked at the Volvo and Yanmar diesel with saildrive for a while now
and am quite familiar with these.
Recently I have come across the BUKH DV 10 LSME with saildrive and from the
technical data sheet sounds
very appealing .
I would appreciate any feedback good/bad from people who have had any
experience with the BUHK DV 10 LSME
with saildrive or BUHK diesels in general.
Thanks....
Regards John

rdr

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Feb 11, 2002, 11:50:09 AM2/11/02
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You might want to consider the Honda 2 Cylinder 4 stroke quiet & smooth 12.5
HP SailDrive280...

http://www.saildrive280.com/

I have one of these and am very happy with it.

- rdr

Alex

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Feb 11, 2002, 2:14:46 PM2/11/02
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The company i used to work for has been using them for years (15+ years)
without any problems. The back up service from the suppliers is very good
too.

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Scooby Doo

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Feb 12, 2002, 2:30:55 AM2/12/02
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"rdr" <r...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi rdr !
Thanks.
I checked out the web site and it looks very interesting. Can you give me
more info on your setup ?
What was it like to deal with Arne Jonsson Boatbuilders ? How big is your
boat and how does it handle with
the Saildrive 280. How long have you had the 280 and have there been any
problems with electrolysis ?
Thanks for any info you can give me.
Regards John.


rdr

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Feb 12, 2002, 11:57:25 AM2/12/02
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>> I checked out the web site and it looks very interesting. Can you give me
more info on your setup ? <<

Good service with Arne Jonsson. He is the US importer of the motor.

My boat is 27.83' which was previously powered by a stern mounted outboard.
The SailDrive280 will push the boat at 8 knots max or very comfortably at
6.5 knots@2500 RPM

My boat is kept on a trailer, but several other owners do keep their boats
in the water. Have not heard of any problems. Like any other metal in the
water - sacrificial anodes are key - there are two on this motor.

I considered a diesel, but at that size they are just too heavy, noisy and
costly.

- rdr

David Flew

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Feb 16, 2002, 6:15:04 AM2/16/02
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My previouis attempt at a response to this does not seem to have made it to
the group. But I've found out that my little engine ( non- saildrive)
pre-dates the local distributor's records, which go back to 1983. And the
engine is having first major maintenance purely because of my stupidity -
they are pretty well indestructable. The new main bearing came with an
update page - multilingual - showing how the new bearing arrangement
worked, and emphasising that the replacement was compatable with all
previous versions of the engine. Try that for your car engine. I understand
that these are not a cheap engine to buy, or to get parts for, but use on
lifeboats and many common parts between various versions means that parts
availability world wide is very good.

DF
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Kees Tjallema

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Feb 17, 2002, 3:43:17 PM2/17/02
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My brother had a Bukh 20HP and it was unreliable (piston damage on first real
trip), noisy and costly in repairs. He changed it for a Sole engine which is
lighter, makes less noise and has given no problems for 5 years.

Kees

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Scooby Doo

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Feb 18, 2002, 1:03:13 AM2/18/02
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Thanks alot for all your replys. They are a great help in making a decision
which is a slow process for me. There are so many choices.....I welcome
anymore comments that come my way on this subject.
Thanks again....Regards John


Alex Lysenko

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Feb 18, 2002, 5:26:51 AM2/18/02
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I have had the DV20 for the last 6 years raw water cooled with no problems
at all

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mike worrall

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Feb 18, 2002, 11:43:36 AM2/18/02
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"Scooby Doo" wrote:

> I would appreciate any feedback good/bad from people who have had any
> experience with the BUHK DV 10 LSME
> with saildrive or BUHK diesels in general.

Probably the best site on the web for marine diesel info is at:

http://dieselmarine.com/

set aside an hour and come away happy!

Mike

hertogr

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Feb 20, 2002, 3:26:52 AM2/20/02
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In article <BO0c8.57700$A44.3...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>,
sc00...@hotmail.com says...
Hello John,

Bought six years ago a sturdy little sailingboat from 1936, 4.5 ton equipped
with a Bukh DV10Me from 1974.

Had it overhauled, new cylinder head, some new fuzz around it, installed an
external fuel filter, anti-pistoning on the exhaust, but overall it was in a
good condition inside, not bad for an engine from '74.

This 10 hp engine weights about 190 kg, a lot compared with the appr. 100 Kg
for modern counteweights like a Lombardini.
Weight is partly because of the large freewheel (correct term ?) which will
give you a very steady and very(!) reliable run, especially in choppy/wild
seas.
But this large freewheel also prevents you from quickly changing rpm's
or ahead/astern
Nowadays I see a lot of boatowners park their boat just like their car,
quick burst ahead, forceful burst astern, again ahead etc...
(and sometimes you'll see them looking for the handbrake...)
This kind of handling, quick short bursts, is not for the Bukh,
it will slow down and then gradually build up rpm's again.
So I have to think and plan ahead a little.

Cold start after a few days is difficult for my engine, crank it around
by hand a few turns and then start it for 2 * 10 sec's, sometimes
longer. Never managed to start it by hand.
It will also spit out oil from the exhaust and some smoke
(blue-black). I have had no experience with newer Bukhs but
according to the Bukh engineers this is normal for a Bukh and
other engines from this age. Nowadays modern engines probably
perform better on the environmental scale.

So, just for my Bukh, it is 28 years old, has been resistent against
salt water corrosion, neglection, bad fuel, spits oil and smoke,
but, once started, keeps running and absolutely stays running when
I need it.
But would I buy a Bukh again if it brakes down (not any sooner),
I don't think so,
think I would go for a modern smaller and lighter one.

Good luck, happy sailing,
Rene


Snafu

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Feb 20, 2002, 8:35:03 AM2/20/02
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"hertogr" <her...@port.rotterdam.nl> wrote in message
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> Weight is partly because of the large freewheel (correct term ?)

Flywheel :-)

Snafu


David Flew

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Feb 21, 2002, 5:21:44 AM2/21/02
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I think the basic layout is unchanged in the DV 10 L ME - L = light. Don't
know how many parts are interchangeable. But I know that the current main
bearing version will fit my engine - approx 1982. I suspect that
obsolescence is not somthing BUKH subscribes to.

The manual says 80 kg for the 10 LME, but I can ( just) lift it off the
mounts by myself, so it might be lighter. But light isn't everything
anyway - how many boats with light engines need ballast as well?
DF

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