plans for Adirondack Guide Boat

Randy Lovgren

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I am interested in locating plans to building an Adirondack Guide Boat. Any
information that you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

.............................

Randy Lovgren N2KRG ran...@planet.net

Dan Miller

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Sep 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM9/23/97

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Visit the Adirondack Guideboat pages at:

http://www.paddlin.com/fivelakes/guideboat.html

There you will find pointers to jsut about every resource known...

Cheers,
Dan
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Independent Boatbuilder and Small Craft History Enthusiast
Five Lakes Wooden Boat Center
http://www.paddlin.com/fivelakes/canoe.htm

Dave Gerty

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In article <609q7e$f...@jupiter.planet.net> "Randy Lovgren" <ran...@planet.net> writes:
>From: "Randy Lovgren" <ran...@planet.net>
>Subject: plans for Adirondack Guide Boat
>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:24:57 -0400

>.............................

>Randy Lovgren N2KRG ran...@planet.net

Are you planning on traditional construction or a stripper?

I built a stripper about 20 years ago from the lines in Manley's book on
Rushton. Excellent boat, but the lines need some work. The offsets were on
24" centers, which makes it difficult to plank. You should fair up the lines
as published and use the waterlines to generate a new set of sections on 18"
centers.

From: Dan Miller <dmi...@gcg.com>
Subject: Re: looking for Durant "Adirondack Guide Boat"
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 08:23:59 -0500

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As far as I know, it is still in print and readily available
from the Adirondack Museum, the WoodenBoat Store and probably
Mystic Seaport, among others. ISBN number is 0-87742-125-0.

Adriondack Museum
P.O. Box 99
Blue Mountain Lake, NY 12812

WoodenBoat has web pages.

Cheers,
Dan
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Daniel Miller

dmi...@gcg.com
Independent Boatbuilder and Small Craft History Enthusiast

So many boats, so little time....

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compiled by Daniel Miller - dmi...@gcg.com

Please send additions, corrections, comments, and updates
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BOOKS AND ARTICLES
------------------

_The Adirondack Guideboat_ by Kenneth and Helen Durant. The
Adirondack Museum, Blue Mountain Lake, NY 1980,1986
This is the single best reference on the subject. Contains history
of the guideboat and the guides that used them, as well as an
excellent description of guideboat construction (most of which
was recorded first-hand by Durant). Has a chapter on modern
methods (eg. laminating ribs and strip construction). Has detailed
plans and construction drawings for the 16' Grant guideboat 'Virginia'
(the blue and orange one) that require no lofting, drawn by John
Gardner.

'Building the Adirondack Guideboat' by Howard Ford, WoodenBoat #18
(Sept, 1977). Description of author's construction of 15'
guideboat using traditional construction with laminated frames.

_Rushton and His Times in American Canoeing_ by Atwood Manley. The
Adirondack Museum/Syracuse Univ. Press. 1968. Contains discussion
of Rushtons guideboat, the Saranac Laker, by Rushton's son Harry. Also
has not-very-good lines and offsets for the Saranac Laker. One
photo of a Saranac Laker under construction.

_Boats and Boating in the Adirondacks_ by Hallie E. Bond. The
Adirondack Museum/Syracuse University Press, 1995. Has history
of guides and their boats in a broad perspective. Contains
photographic catalog of the museums boat collection, which has
a vast array of guideboats.

'Building an Adirondack Guideboat' by Howard Ford. Adirondack Life
Winter 1977. Mostly repeats WoodenBoat article.

'The Evolution of the Adirondack Guideboat: Light Boats in the Wilderness'
by Robert. W. Stephens. WoodenBoat #130 (May/June 1996). Mostly repeats
information that has already been presented by the Durants and Bond (see
above). Most of the figures and photos are reprinted from Bond. A
historical perspective, not a building guide.

'An Authentic Guide-boat' by John Gardner. National Fisherman Oct 1965

'Strip Planking Well Adapted for Guide-Boat' National Fisherman Feb 1968

_Rushton's Rowboats and Canpes; the 1903 Catalog in Perspective_ by
William Crowley. The Adirondack Museum/International Marine. 1983.
Has listing for Saranac Laker, with some construction details.

'The Evolution of the Guide Boat' by Kenneth and Helen Durant. Adirondack
Life July/August 1980. A pre-printed excerpt from the book above.

_Guide-boat Days and Ways_ by Kenneth Durant. An interesting, yet
not very useful, compilation of references to guides and boats
in literature.

'Unique Craft Created for Adirondack Waterways' by George Crosette
Adirondack Life Spring 1971. Generalized history and construction
techniques with some nice photos.

_Brightwork - The Art of Finishing Wood_ by Rebecca Whitman has some
interesting photos including one built with sawn full, rather than
half ribs.

Photos of guideboats often appear in Adirondack Life, and
occasionally in the NYS Conservationist.

PLANS
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Below available from Adirondack Museum, P.O. Box 99, Blue Mountain
Lake, NY 12812. (Some also available from Mystic Seaport, but they
cost more...)

16' Grant Guideboat 'Virginia' (the blue and orange one) measured
and drawn by John Gardner. In Durant and Durants book - see above.
No lofting required.

13` Parsons Bros. measured and drawn by Dave Dillion. 3 sheets,
no lofting required.

16'5" Grant guideboat 'Ghost' (the white and pink one). 4 sheets.
No lofting required. Measured and drawn by Dave Dillion.

16'2.5" Warren Cole guideboat. Measured and drawn by Dave Dillion.
4 sheets. No lofting required.

13'1" Blanchard drawn bu M.T. and E.I. Schock, added to by R.A. Pittaway.
2 sheets. Lofting is required; plans suitable for strip building.
Errors in construction notes (eg show Grant lap, where Blanchard used
feather lap.)

16'x37" Saranac Laker - plans and offsets (reliability suspect) printed
in Manley's book. Also available from the Museum as `decorative` (as
opposed to `builder's') plans. Original offsets by Rushton, himself,
are found in his "Books of Knowledge". Rushton's guideboats were heavier
built than other builders, and were not used often by guides, being considered
more of a 'pleasure rowboat'. Rushton had little faith in other builders
techniques, and so used different materials, spaced the ribs closer, and
even offered steam-bent rather than sawn ribs, as in his other boats.
Lofting required for both sources.

GUIDEBOAT COLLECTIONS
---------------------
The Adirondack Museum in Blue Mountain Lake, NY has an extensive
collection of guiedboats. Contains 54 guideboats and several other
related craft (churchboats etc.) About 12 or 15 are on display in
the `Boats and Boating in the Adirondacks' display. Also a video
of Willard Hanmer building a guideboat.

Mystic Seaport Museum has 8 guideboats. I do not know if any are
on display.

The New York State Museum in Albany has one guideboat on display.

The Antique Boat Museum in Clayton NY has 4 guideboats in its collection.

The Penobscot Marine Museum has one guideboat.

The Mariner's Museum has 2 guideboats.

ELECTRONIC INFORMATION
----------------------
The Library of Congress has put the Detroit Publishing Co. Photographs
on line. You can search this collection at
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/detrquery.html

A search of either 'canoes' or `Adirondacks` will turn up images that
include several photos of guideboats by William Henry Jackson.

BUILDING A GUIDEBOAT
--------------------
- Sources
hackmatack knees - Lucky G Farms
hardware - Indian Point Guideboat Co.
Oars and locks - Shaw and Tenney

USEFUL and USELESS LINKS
------------------------
http://www.helpco.com/adkboats/

Last Updated 4/96

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From: Graham Moss <wind...@fox.nstn.ca>
Subject: Re: POR-15 (Paint over Rust)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 17:10:47 -0400

Don Taylor wrote:
>
> Has anyone out there tried using POR-15 to rust treat a
> steel boat?
>
> POR-15 is used, I believe, on commercial vessels and it is
> used extensively in the auto refinishing world. It is used
> over wire-brushed rusty steel. It converts existing rust into
> something else (zinc sulphate?) and covers it with a very
> tough, moisture proof surface.
>
> I am thinking of using it on the interior of our Colvin
> Gazelle. If I could sand-blast and re-coat, then I would.
> I can't so I am researching alternatives.
>
> If you have used POR-15, then could you send me e-mail to
>
> don.t...@fulcrum.com
>
> I will summarise any responses that I get.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Don.

Don,

I have used POR-15, originally on my cars and later on cast iron keels
both with success, but on the keels, I do not have long term experience.
On my old car, I painted the iside of a very badly rusted trunk about 8
years ago, and the finish is still perfect.

POR-15 is a moisture cured 1-part polyurethane. It does not convert the
rust - this would require a different primer which can also be obtained
from POR who have a number of products. I think the reason it works so
well on steel, is that the surface cures first using moisture from the
air - this traps in semi-cured paint which continues to cure as moisture
tries to reach the steel surface, thus preventing moisture from getting
to the steel to start rust formation.

POR cures to a very hard finish - So hard in fact that if a skin forms
in the can, I use a hammer and chisel to break through it - For this
reason, I now transfer any unused POR to a screw top bottle, place Saran
Wrap under the lid to allow it to come off, and then invert the bottle
to prevemt any air from getting in. Also, make sure to use gloves and
old clothes - This stuff cannot be removed once it hardens.

I don't know about ships, but POR is used on structural steel in Marine
environments so it should be ideal for use inside your Colvin. This
paint does NOT stand up to ultra-violet, so should be overcoated if it
will see any sunlight.

There are two grades of POR - normal and Marine - It comes in Black,
Silver and Clear, I believe. As with any paint, it will require a few
coats to build up a protective layer.

We keep a few cans in stock for use on the boats with cast iron keels -
It is great for fixing those rust patches that always occur on these
keels and would be ideal for totally refinishing a keel.

Good Luck

Graham & Gerry Moss

Windjammer Sails, Box 23004 Amherstview PO Kingston Ont.
Canada K0H 1G0. (613) 389-4349 FAX (613) 389-4762
"Everything for sailing - At a good price!"
MAIL WEB SITE
wind...@fox.nstn.ca http://fox.nstn.ca/~windjamm/

From: Dan Miller <dmi...@gcg.com>
Subject: Adirondack Guideboat Resources List
Date: 13 Dec 1995 21:07:20 GMT

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As questions about Adirondack Guideboats appear fairly regularly in
this group, I have compiled the following list. Please send any
comments, corrections or additions to me at dmi...@gcg.com

Hope someone finds it useful.

Cheers,
Dan
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Daniel Miller

dmi...@gcg.com
Amateur Boatbuilder and Small Craft History Afficiando

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The Adirondack Guideboat - a guide to resources
compiled by Daniel Miller - dmi...@gcg.com

Please send additions, corrections, comments, and updates
to dmi...@gcg.com

BOOKS AND ARTICLES
------------------

_The Adirondack Guideboat_ by Kenneth and Helen Durant. The
Adirondack Museum, Blue Mountain Lake, NY 1980,1986

This is the single best reference on the subject. Contains history
of the guideboat and the guides that used them, as well as an
excellent description of guideboat construction (most of which
was recorded first-hand by Durant). Has a chapter on modern
methods (eg. laminating ribs and strip construction). Has detailed
plans and construction drawings for the 16' Grant guideboat 'Virginia'
(the blue and orange one) that require no lofting, drawn by John
Gardner.

'Building the Adirondack Guideboat' by Howard Ford, WoodenBoat #18
(Sept, 1977). Description of author's construction of 15'
guideboat using traditional construction with laminated frames.

_Rushton and His Times in American Canoeing_ by Atwood Manley. The
Adirondack Museum/Syracuse Univ. Press. 1968. Contains discussion
of Rushtons guideboat, the Saranac Laker, by Rushton's son Harry. Also
has not-very-good lines and offsets for the Saranac Laker. One
photo of a Saranac Laker under construction.

_Boats and Boating in the Adirondacks_ by Hallie E. Bond. The
Adirondack Museum/Syracuse University Press, 1995. Has history
of guides and their boats in a broad perspective. Contains
photographic catalog of the museums boat collection, which has
many guideboats.

'Building an Adirondack Guideboat' by Howard Ford. Adirondack Life
Winter 1977. Mostly repeats WoodenBoat article.

'An Authentic Guide-boat' by John Gardner. National Fisherman Oct 1965

'Strip Planking Well Adapted for Guide-Boat' National Fisherman Feb 1968

_Rushton's Rowboats and Canpes; the 1903 Catalog in Perspective_ by
William Crowley. The Adirondack Museum/International Marine. 1983.
Has listing for Saranac Laker, with some construction details.

'The Evolution of the Guide Boat' by Kenneth and Helen Durant. Adirondack
Life July/August 1980. A pre-printed excerpt from the bok above.