cheap paint over epoxy
fishallnight
yet somewhat durable. I have the thing almost ready to paint. I have epoxy
on the bottom and about 4" up the sides. I read that porch paint is a pretty
durable finish for such a boat and still reasonably priced. My question is:
how should I prepare the epoxy to accept the primer, what type primer should
I use, and what type of paint, latex or oil? Great info on the group,
thanks in advance for any help. If you reply to email, please reply to
fishal...@hotmail.com
Tom Anderson
as latex paint is compatible with epoxy. (Do a search on Deja.com and
you'll find some past posts by Kern Hendricks of Sys. 3 on this
subject).
I painted my 21' Tolman skiff with exterior latex paint, semi-gloss on
the outside...and latex porch and floor paint on the inside and deck.
In my experience, the porch and floor holds up better and is much
harder to scuff or rub off. Though, either are easy to touch up and
cost very little. I painted my boat for approx. $40 using top-quality
latex paints.
Regards,
TA
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Before you buy.
Steve Smith
An epoxy primer will work for sure. Sand the old epoxy with a medium
scotchbrite pad to get rid of any oils it may have on the surface from its
curing or bleeding of ingredients out to the surface, and get some from
www.rotdoctor.com. Since you have a non-porous surface, you will get easily a
thousand square feet per gallon coverage, so it should not take much. Put it
on one day, and the enamel paint (porch-and-deck enamel) the next.
good luck.
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Rhett A. Davis
From: "fishallnight" <fishal...@hotmail.com>
> Hi all, I am building a small pirogue and am trying to keep it pretty
cheap
> yet somewhat durable. I have the thing almost ready to paint. I have epoxy
> on the bottom and about 4" up the sides. I read that porch paint is a
pretty
> durable finish for such a boat and still reasonably priced. My question
is:
> how should I prepare the epoxy to accept the primer, what type primer
should
> I use, and what type of paint, latex or oil? Great info on the group,
> thanks in advance for any help. If you reply to email, please reply to
> fishal...@hotmail.com
>
Hi, I finished my pirogue by cleaning and scuff sanding the cured epoxy
surface, then followed with a polyurethane (alkalyd) Porch & Deck paint. I
did not use a primer. It worked well. The finish has held up, with the only
touch-ups required on the bottom (due to dragging, beaching, etc). I just
finished a small skiff, prepping the epoxy in the same manner and using a
latex primer, followed by a semi gloss latex (100% acrylic) exterior paint.
This finish seems to be slightly softer than the polyurethane, but was
easier to apply. It seems to have finished well, but I have not used the
boat long enough for a comparison, so the jury is still out. Many people
swear by latex for boats that don't live in the water (and a few for boats
that do), and the price is right. For the price and the drying speed, and
for a craft this small, having to touch up the paint in spots once or twice
a year is no biggie. A quart of each color (i used a lighter inside, darker
out) was sufficient for a 16 ft pirogue 2 coats.
Rhett Davis
rave...@gate.net
Bob & Kathy Aliano
Acryllic Latex exterior and porch paint. I intend to use it. Thanks for the
info.
David Carnell
performance of 100% acrylic latex primers directly on epoxy without any surface
preparation. Add two coats of 100%acrylic latex exterior house paint, porch and
deck if you like, and you have a first-clas finish.
LDavis
thinking it would do to paint the bottom of the Pirateer I have just coated
in epoxy. But, I can only find one color locally, battleship gray. Then
again I don't have anything against that color, but I prefer something else.
About those latex paints, you mean just plain exterior 100% acrylic latex?
My goodness, all of this means I will be able to have my boat in the water
in about two more weeks.
This board is saving me a lot of money and work.
Glenn Ashmore
forms a rather thick membrane to protect wood decking from rain and abrasion.
In the property management business we use a lot of it on porches of older
homes. The bond to wood is mostly mechancial. I am not sure how it would bond
to a smooth epoxy surface. On smooth heart pine it comes off in sheets once the
membrane gets snagged unless you use a good primer. We use Kilz that someone
mentioned in a previous thread but I don't know how it would work in the water
I have never seen porch and floor in other than battleship gray, tobacco brown
and deep red. It used to have a heavy lead content. That's why it usually
comes in the traditional lead gray and red lead colors.
LDavis wrote:
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Glenn Ashmore
I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there
of) at: http://www.mindspring.com/~gashmore
Frank Hagan
can get in many different colors. I used Home Depot's high-gloss trim
paint, which really isn't that high gloss after all, but it worked
well.
BUT, latex cures very slowly. It dries to the touch quickly, but it
stays rather soft for several weeks, so I wouldn't use latex if you
want to paint and launch. If you can paint it and let it sit until it
gets hard ... took mine 5 weeks after putting on three coats ... then
latex is fine. Figure on touching it up a bit more often than an oil
based paint.
To launch quickly, use an alkyd enamel (if you can find one -- they
are getting rare here in California due to smog regs, I guess). The
exterior, OIL BASED paints that you see in the home center are alkyd
enamels. So are a lot of the so-called "one part polyurethane" paints
in the chandlery that cost more per quart than the gallon oil based
paints in the home centers. Use an appropriate waterbased primer
under it (find a brand that specifies a latex primer as being
acceptable -- Home Depot has one -- and you won't have to worry about
the oil paint never curing because of the interaction with uncured
amines in the epoxy.) Or do a "paint adhesion test" on a small area
(paint the stuff on, let it dry fully, then score it in a cross hatch
pattern with a razor blade and put scotch tape over it. Burnish the
scotch tape down and rip it off. If any paint is on the scotch tape,
you have a compatibility problem with the oil based paint.)
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 03:06:10 GMT, "LDavis"
<ldav...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I have been looking at that porch and floor paint for a few days now
>thinking it would do to paint the bottom of the Pirateer I have just coated
>in epoxy. But, I can only find one color locally, battleship gray. Then
>again I don't have anything against that color, but I prefer something else.
>About those latex paints, you mean just plain exterior 100% acrylic latex?
>My goodness, all of this means I will be able to have my boat in the water
>in about two more weeks.
>This board is saving me a lot of money and work.
>
>
Frank Hagan
fha...@vcnet.com
Building my Weekender Sailboat
http://www.vcnet.com/~fhagan/weekender.htm
Craig Deats
yesterday. I found that Benjamin Moore sells Porch and Floor paint either
Latex or Alkalyd in a variety of colors, and you can get it by the quart or
the gallon.
LDavis <ldav...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Steve
>
> Hi all, I am building a small pirogue and am trying to keep it pretty cheap
> yet somewhat durable. I have the thing almost ready to paint. I have epoxy
> on the bottom and about 4" up the sides. I read that porch paint is a pretty
> durable finish for such a boat and still reasonably priced. My question is:
> how should I prepare the epoxy to accept the primer, what type primer should
> I use, and what type of paint, latex or oil? Great info on the group,
> thanks in advance for any help. If you reply to email, please reply to
> fishal...@hotmail.com
I painted my cheapo luan/epoxy kayak with latex house paint 8
years ago..Its just starting to need another coat.
Bill Krueskamp
marked down 50% off and some two part that was 75% off. It seams these cans
have a shelf life and they discount heavy to get rid of them when they are
close or past date.
I found a snappy Grand Banks Beige by interlux that has a real nice gloss
and some of your basic white that is well, white just like it says on the
can..
I bet you could buy a cheap can and set it on the shelf for a year and still
have no trouble with the paint...
See if your local marine store has any clearance paint you might be able to
save some dollars on...
I am all for saving a buck but your spending $65.- er $100.- bucks a gallon
on epoxy. Why not drop another twenty bucks for good marine paint...
You may even be able to find a shop that will sell you recently open left
over cans of good marine paint that they would normally leave laying around
the shop until they have to haul it to the local hazardous waist facility.
We have hazardous waste facility that sorts out all the good stuff and
offers it up "FREE" to those willing to use it. Under the condition that
they bring back the unused portions to be disposed of properly.
I have found unopened cans of marine paint and west system epoxy. Considered
myself lucky.
A neighbor wanted to paint the inside of his pole barn so he picked up five
different unopened cans of latex white. Mixed them all together in a six
gallon plastic bucket for uniform color. Painted the whole place for the
cost of the best roller cover he could buy.
LDavis
different colors of porch and floor paint they had. The also had two types,
latex and oil base. I bought the bright white oil base and put the first
coat on my boat today and it looks very nice, much more glossy than I
expected. Now if I can just keep the bugs off for the final coat because it
takes a very long time to dry.
Keith A. Lahteine
a small boat that's about 36 years old . He was asking the same question wanting
to know what kind of paint he should use . Although his craft will, probably, be
used in salt water, for the most part, I'll advise you just as I told him . When
it comes to boats or marine finishes in general their is no such thing as,
"Latex", paint . I've never heard anyone recommend a water based finish when it
comes to boats . The one exception may be some of the water based, "Urethanes" .
About the best, Alkyd, paint is manufactured by, "Z-Spar", but its a little on
the costly side . Your next best bet may be, "International", Interlux, but this
is, pretty, expensive too . Go to a, "Chandler", or a Boat, "Yard", to purchase
it . The same companies, both, make a suitable prime to use with it . You'll get
a better price and selection here than, just about, anywhere else . Standard
house paint doesn't come close to being as good as these paints . There really
is a difference .
Sincerely : Keith A. Lahteine
P.S. : I've even painted fiberglass boats with the, "Z-Spar", but the biggest
requirement is proper preparation . They even sell a wipe on prep. liquid which
is supposed to soften the resin so it will accept paint easily . Although this
may work okay I still like to sand before painting as a little insurance .
Randy Hamilton
that's out of the water more than in, it is tough and looks and works fine.
For prep I lightly sanded the epoxy surface. I can't speak to longevity
yet as it is only a year old. True, it isn't close to a fine marine finish,
but then I wanted a cheap and simple boat to poke around in, not a yacht.
The price is right, but I would stop short of using latex.
Randy Hamilton
On second thought, I did want a yacht......
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