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Dave Carnell

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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I was interested to read in the 15 May MAIB that Bolger's personal
outboard SHIVAREE is finishe with white flat latex house paint. Thomas
Firth Jones sent me some Sherwin-Williams literature that says latex has
the best color and gloss retention (compared to oil), is least
susceptible to chalking, and has the best resistance to peeling and
blistering. It says oil has the best stain resistance and is least
affected by
temperature extremes during painting. Tom says they paint the end of
the tiller they hold with oil paint because latex stains. I have nearly
finished repainting the interior and topsides of my Simmons Sea-Skiff
with latex. Then I have to put the antifouling on the bottom, which is
a miserable job with the boat sitting on the trailer.

Dave Carnell

Pat Ford

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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If you are satisfied with a very low quality appearance, then go for
flat latex house paint.

Those who have pride in the appearance of their boat will be best
advised to use proper marine finishes.

Antique and Classic Boat Society
http://www.acbs.org | My opinions only
World's Largest Classic Boat Organization

Paul R. LaBrie

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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Pat Ford wrote:

> If you are satisfied with a very low quality appearance, then go for
> flat latex house paint.
>
> Those who have pride in the appearance of their boat will be best
> advised to use proper marine finishes.

Excuse me. My father takes pride in the appearance of his watercraft and
always has. It's why he paints them, on occasion, with latex house
paint. He's a lobsterman. While the yachties are re-doing their
brightwork for the umpteenth time, he's out pulling traps. I too read
Bolger's article and am not surprised at his revelation about painting
"Shivaree" with latex paint. I expect Bolger would rather spend time on
the water than in getting that finish "just right". This whole thing is
really an economic argument -- and here I'm speaking of economy of time
& effort as well as money.

The use of latex house paint is quite common among the fishermen here in
New England, where boats are tools and not just a hobby.

- paul -

mkpauls

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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Some people like their pistols blue, some like them stainless.
Purveyors of illegal pleasures usually like nickel plate w/pearl grips.

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In article <3742FD6C...@worldnet.att.net>, Dave Carnell
<davec...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


> I was interested to read in the 15 May MAIB that Bolger's personal
> outboard SHIVAREE is finishe with white flat latex house paint. Thomas
> Firth Jones sent me some Sherwin-Williams literature that says latex has
> the best color and gloss retention (compared to oil), is least
> susceptible to chalking, and has the best resistance to peeling and
> blistering. It says oil has the best stain resistance and is least
> affected by
> temperature extremes during painting. Tom says they paint the end of
> the tiller they hold with oil paint because latex stains. I have nearly
> finished repainting the interior and topsides of my Simmons Sea-Skiff
> with latex. Then I have to put the antifouling on the bottom, which is
> a miserable job with the boat sitting on the trailer.
>

> Dave Carnell
>
>


Chris Crandall

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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mkpauls (mkp...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Some people like their pistols blue, some like them stainless.

: Purveyors of illegal pleasures usually like nickel plate w/pearl grips.

Huh? I'm pretty that this is an insult, but I don't get it.
Is the implication that Dave C. is pimping for latex paint?
I do know that Dave occasionally imbibes latex paint thinner.


Frank W Gundaker

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May 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/21/99
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cran...@lark.cc.ukans.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote:

I don't think that the pistol statement was an insult, just a
statement about how people can be different.

The insult was generated by Ms.Ford

"If you are satisfied with a very low quality appearance, then go for
flat latex house paint.

Those who have pride in the appearance of their boat will be best
advised to use proper marine finishes."

It is amazing to me the number of times I have seen people show thier
nether regions w/o even dropping their drawers. (Myself included , oft
times)

Frank

Gavin Atkin

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May 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/21/99
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On a related topic, it crossed my mind that if osmosis is caused by water
freezing in your polyester resin, mightn't it be sensible when wintering to
slosh a certain amount of ethylene glycol around in your bilges - if you've
got a plastic boat, that is?

Or would it dissolve the poor thing?

Gavin Atkin

Plover48

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May 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/21/99
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>I have nearly
>finished repainting the interior and topsides of my Simmons Sea-Skiff
>with latex.

Hi Dave,

I have been using Behr Kitchen and Bathroom Paint interiorly on the boat I live
on and like it. It has good gloss, is washable and the mildewcide in it works
well. Best of all you can live in the boat while it's drying.

I'll be interested in how the latex holds up outside. Yeah, the yachtie types
sneer at my dinghy, but I certainly sail it more than they do their varnished
wonders. I appreciate their beauty and I appreciate the functionality of my
boat.

> Then I have to put the antifouling on the bottom, which is
>a miserable job with the boat sitting on the trailer.

Been there, done that, no fun.

Reed

Dave Carnell

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May 21, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/21/99
to Plover48
This was a repaint job. The original latex paint job was done in 1995 and the boat
had lived in the water until the fall of 1998. This included riding out three
hurricanes (Bertha and Fran in 1996 and Bonnie in 1998) on the mooring.

Dave

mkpauls

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May 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/22/99
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The above gun reference was sort of a polite way of quoting my late
Grandfather, who would upon seeing some varnished beauty say something like,
"that's shinnyer than a whorehouse pistol". Grandfather was a battleship
grey kind of guy.
The deal with latex or water based acyrlic enamel is that it "breathes",
therefore it doesn't trap moisture and peal like oil based paint. (Thats
properly applied water based paint, of course.)

The other industrial coating I'm looking into is a urea/urethane product
that with special tools can be applied to wood and might be a replacement
for the whole 'glass and resin thing. More latter.

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Dan Bollinger

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Pat,   No judgements in your message, right?    :-)

--

Dan Bollinger
Wabash Men's Council
http://www.themenscenter.com/wabashmen



Pat Ford <pf...@halcyon.com> wrote in article <37431a69...@news.halcyon.com>...
> On Wed, 19 May 1999 14:05:32 -0400, Dave Carnell
> <davec...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


>
> >I was interested to read in the 15 May MAIB that Bolger's personal
> >outboard SHIVAREE is finishe with white flat latex house paint.  Thomas
> >Firth Jones sent me some Sherwin-Williams literature that says latex has
> >the best color and gloss retention (compared to oil), is least
> >susceptible to chalking, and has the best resistance to peeling and
> >blistering.  It says oil has the best stain resistance and is least
> >affected by
> >temperature extremes during painting.  Tom says they paint the end of

> >the tiller they hold with oil paint because latex stains.  I have nearly


> >finished repainting the interior and topsides of my Simmons Sea-Skiff

> >with latex.  Then I have to put the antifouling on the bottom, which is


> >a miserable job with the boat sitting on the trailer.
>

> If you are satisfied with a very low quality appearance, then go for
> flat latex house paint.
>
> Those who have pride in the appearance of their boat will be best
> advised to use proper marine finishes.
>

Dan Bollinger

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Dave,   I know we all call it Latex, but it ain't.  Latex, or synthetic rubber emulsion is not longer made, but the name has stuck.  Read the label, what you are actually talking about is acrylic co-polymer.  Acrylic is known for its' UV resistance and clarity.  ABS thermoformed boats like canoes have a thin outer layer of acrylic because the ABS chalks so badly.   Chalking is actually the resin and UV stabilizers being destroyed by UV.  


--

Dan Bollinger
Wabash Men's Council


> I was interested to read in the 15 May MAIB that Bolger's personal
> outboard SHIVAREE is finishe with white flat latex house paint.  Thomas
> Firth Jones sent me some Sherwin-Williams literature that says latex has
> the best color and gloss retention (compared to oil), is least
> susceptible to chalking, and has the best resistance to peeling and
> blistering.  It says oil has the best stain resistance and is least
> affected by
> temperature extremes during painting.  Tom says they paint the end of
> the tiller they hold with oil paint because latex stains.  I have nearly
> finished repainting the interior and topsides of my Simmons Sea-Skiff
> with latex.  Then I have to put the antifouling on the bottom, which is
> a miserable job with the boat sitting on the trailer.
>

> Dave Carnell
>
>
>

Dave Carnell

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Random House Dictionary of the English language definition for latex:

"Any emulsion of synthetic rubber or plastic in water."

The 100% acrylic latexes are most superior in UV resistance, paralleling the unmatched UV resistance of the solid plastic.

Dave Carnell

Dan Bollinger

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May 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/24/99
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Dave,  Not doubt Random House says that.  Most dictionaries write short, common demoninator definitions based on common usage, but not necessarily technical usage.     Trades and professions often get more specific with their definitions.  It doesn't make it wrong, just non-specific.  So, like I said before, latex isn't wrong, just that acrylic co-polymer emulsion is more accurate than "latex."    I'm sure you'd end up with the same gallon of paint at the paint store regardless of what you call it.    What I was wanting to accomplish was get more accurate a discussion going about a technical matter.   For instance, I make a distinction between underlayment, exterior plywood, and Brunzeel, but we call them all "plywood."



--

Dan Bollinger
Wabash Men's Council


Random House Dictionary of the English language definition for latex:
"Any emulsion of synthetic rubber or plastic in water."
The 100% acrylic latexes are most superior in UV resistance, paralleling the unmatched UV resistance of the solid plastic.
Dave Carnell
Dan Bollinger wrote:

Dave,  I know we all call it Latex, but it ain't.  Latex, or synthetic rubber emulsion is not longer made, but the name has stuck.  Read the label, what you are actually talking about is acrylic co-polymer.  Acrylic is known for its' UV resistance and clarity.  ABS thermoformed boats like canoes have a thin outer layer of acrylic because the ABS chalks so badly.   Chalking is actually the resin and UV stabilizers being destroyed by UV.

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