trying to find the perfect island-hopping boat
kyle
i currently own a 22ft bayliner bowrider. we live in tampa, and there
are very nice barrier islands in the gulf just 5 minutes from the boat
ramp. my wife wants to go more often. i find it difficult to have to
deal with the boat by myself. i am still quite the novice.
here are a few things that i would like to pinpoint what kind of new
boat to buy:
-shallow draft (current boat is 2.5ft, gets stuck sometimes if we
forget to continuously move the boat based on tide)
-seats 9 minimum (would prefer more)
-large deck for cooler, floats, etc.
-no carpet or upholstery to worry about -- i want fiberglass
everything for easy cleanup (current boat is carpet everywhere-- sand
is a nightmare to clean, cannot just hose the inside of the boat down)
-outboard motor, pref. 4stroke (current is an i/o, so cannot fully
trim motor up)
-has to handle a decent 2ft wave. i probably would not take it out if
it was rougher than that.
thanks for any suggestions,
kyle
Frogwatch
Build a Tolman Skiff. The 20 standard would be tight with 9 people,
however, a 21' wide body might and the 23' Jumbo def would work.
kyle
for $25K. i'm looking to spend about $10k. would deck boats be
worthwhile to look into or do they not meet some of my criteria
(draft, maybe?)
> however, a 21' wide body might and the 23' Jumbo def would work.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Frogwatch
Well, i did say build............
mmc
"kyle" <cartes...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5c8aef96-4aaf-4ba4...@g1g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
Have you taken a power squadron course? Might help with some of the details
of operating.
A deck boat would be great. I like the older ones that are more like a
pontoon boat deck on a fiberglass hull more than all the molded in
furniture.
I am Tosk
d1161a...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, dbo...@mindspring.com
says...
>
> On Jan 24, 2:27ï¿œpm, kyle <cartesiank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > might be a little out of my price range? i saw a 21 tolman widebody
> > worthwhile to look into or do they not meet some of my criteria
> > (draft, maybe?)
> >
> > > > are very nice barrier islands in the gulf just 5 minutes from the boat
> > > > deal with the boat by myself. ï¿œi am still quite the novice.
> >
> > > > here are a few things that i would like to pinpoint what kind of new
> > > > boat to buy:
> > > > -shallow draft (current boat is 2.5ft, gets stuck sometimes if we
> > > > forget to continuously move the boat based on tide)
> > > > -seats 9 minimum (would prefer more)
> > > > -large deck for cooler, floats, etc.
> > > > -no carpet or upholstery to worry about -- i want fiberglass
> > > > everything for easy cleanup (current boat is carpet everywhere-- sand
> > > > is a nightmare to clean, cannot just hose the inside of the boat down)
> > > > -outboard motor, pref. 4stroke (current is an i/o, so cannot fully
> > > > trim motor up)
> > > > -has to handle a decent 2ft wave. i probably would not take it out if
> > > > it was rougher than that.
> >
> > > > thanks for any suggestions,
> >
> > > > kyle
> >
> > > however, a 21' wide body might and the 23' Jumbo def would work.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, i did say build............
I have never seen the plans for a Tolman, but I would imagine he could
build it (without power) build it for under 10K ?
Scotty
mmc
"I am Tosk" <justwaitaf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25c7aa094...@eternal-september.org...
> In article <14bdc30e-ce8e-4753-82fc-
> d1161a...@e37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, dbo...@mindspring.com
> says...
>>
>> > might be a little out of my price range? i saw a 21 tolman widebody
>> > worthwhile to look into or do they not meet some of my criteria
>> > (draft, maybe?)
>> >
>> > > > are very nice barrier islands in the gulf just 5 minutes from the
>> > > > boat
>> > > > to
>> > > > deal with the boat by myself. i am still quite the novice.
>> >
>> > > > here are a few things that i would like to pinpoint what kind of
>> > > > new
>> > > > boat to buy:
>> > > > -shallow draft (current boat is 2.5ft, gets stuck sometimes if we
>> > > > forget to continuously move the boat based on tide)
>> > > > -seats 9 minimum (would prefer more)
>> > > > -large deck for cooler, floats, etc.
>> > > > -no carpet or upholstery to worry about -- i want fiberglass
>> > > > everything for easy cleanup (current boat is carpet everywhere--
>> > > > sand
>> > > > is a nightmare to clean, cannot just hose the inside of the boat
>> > > > down)
>> > > > -outboard motor, pref. 4stroke (current is an i/o, so cannot fully
>> > > > trim motor up)
>> > > > -has to handle a decent 2ft wave. i probably would not take it out
>> > > > if
>> > > > it was rougher than that.
>> >
>> > > > thanks for any suggestions,
>> >
>> > > > kyle
>> >
>> > > however, a 21' wide body might and the 23' Jumbo def would work.-
>> > > Hide quoted text -
>> >
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Well, i did say build............
>
> I have never seen the plans for a Tolman, but I would imagine he could
> build it (without power) build it for under 10K ?
>
> Scotty
Why bother? If the move was to save money in a much stronger market or the
guy just wanted to build his own, ok but this is a big time buyers market.
http://www.boattrader.com/search-results/NewOrUsed-any/Type-Power/Category-all/Region-all/Price-0,10000/Sort-Length:DESC/
1,378 power boats with power for under $10k in FL. And boat trader will only
show a fraction since they charge for advertising. I'd bet there are more
for sale than that in his county.
Wayne.B
Here's a couple of thoughts.
Can you take the carpet out of your Bayliner?
9 people is a lot for a 22 footer even if some are kids.
2 1/2 foot draft is about the minimum for an inboard/outboard. Less
than that you will need a pontoon boat with the engine on a jack
plate, or some sort of jet boat.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Currently off cruising the southern Exuma Islands:
http://captwayneb.blogspot.com
cavelamb
>
> Why bother? If the move was to save money in a much stronger market or the
> guy just wanted to build his own, ok but this is a big time buyers market.
> http://www.boattrader.com/search-results/NewOrUsed-any/Type-Power/Category-all/Region-all/Price-0,10000/Sort-Length:DESC/
> 1,378 power boats with power for under $10k in FL. And boat trader will only
> show a fraction since they charge for advertising. I'd bet there are more
> for sale than that in his county.
>
>
My feel of it is that small boat demand (and prices) are up.
Specially in the trailerable sail.
But big boat demand and prices are near bottom of the toilet.
--
Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/
"The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power
to tell just when the hands will stop, at late or early hour...
Now is the only time you own. Live, love, toil with a will.
Place no faith in time. For the clock may soon be still."
cavelamb
>
> http://captwayneb.blogspot.com
>
>
That's a damned big beautiful boat, Wayne.
11 years?
perseverance, man!
Wayne.B
wrote:
>Wayne.B wrote:
>>
>> http://captwayneb.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>That's a damned big beautiful boat, Wayne.
>
>11 years?
>
>perseverance, man!
Yes, they did a great job with it, no amateur touches anywhere. I've
always wanted to build a boat myself but will probably never get to it
for various reasons, not the least of which is the fact that I enjoy
getting out cruising.
Frogwatch
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:41:52 -0600, cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Wayne.B wrote:
>
> >>http://captwayneb.blogspot.com
>
> >That's a damned big beautiful boat, Wayne.
>
> >11 years?
>
> >perseverance, man!
>
> Yes, they did a great job with it, no amateur touches anywhere. I've
> always wanted to build a boat myself but will probably never get to it
> for various reasons, not the least of which is the fact that I enjoy
> getting out cruising.
Go to the "Fishyfish" website for many pics of Tolmans.
I built my 20" for maybe $8k and I get about 5 mpg at 17 mph on flat
water 4 mpg at 22 mph. She floats in much less than 2'. Tolmans
being lightweight, use lower hp outboards than other similarly sized
boats thus saving a lot of money. My 20' has a 90 hp 2 strokeYamaha
and will plane at less than 9 mph and with 7 people aboard will reach
30 mph. She will even plane using the 9.9 hp kicker.
The 23' Jumbo Tolman would use the 125 hp 4 cycle and probably get
better mpg than I get and be a better sea boat. She would probably
need about 2" more draft. Cost to build is probably about 25% more
for the hull than the basic 20' Standard. The greatest diff in cost
would be th ehigher cost of the 125 hp.
Building your boat is good because then you get what you want and you
know EVERYTHING about your boat. The quality you will get is much
higher than almost any production boat.
Tolmans with their high bows and high sides are very dry boats.
Frogwatch
For pics of many Tolmans:
http://www.fishyfish.com/tolmanskiff.html
While I know this is a buyers market, this is a boat building
newsgroup.