I would like to own an owl or kestrel
Dell Gue
keep as a pet? I have kept birds for 40 years so I don't need the
basic comments. I live in the Greater New York area.
Thanks.
Dan Daniel
wrote:
I ifnd it strange that someone who has kept birds for 40 years would
need to post to a newsgroup to locate another bird.
I'd suggest that you contact your local Department of Wildlife or
whatever it is called. Also do a search on the web for any wild bird
rehabilitators in your area. Then call them. I am certain that they will be
happy to lead you in the right direction.
Darrin
After keeping birds for all that time, I'd think you could easily find what
your looking for. You realize that you'll need a license to posses raptors.
I assume by your comment that you also realize that keeping live birds of
prey is nothing like keeping exotic birds. They're meat eaters and they need
exercise.
Heres a couple things to ponder.
These are quotes from the DEC website--
"Falconry is a demanding sport that requires a significant commitment of
time and effort, and novices must be prepared to accept the responsibility
that is part of falconry," Barnhart said.
To qualify for the DEC Apprentice Falconry License, applicants must be at
least 14 years of age, possess a valid New York small-game hunting license
and maintain DEC-approved facilities for housing the raptors. A two-year
falconry license costs $20. Apprentices are limited to possessing one bird,
either an American kestrel falcon (also know as a "sparrow hawk") or a
red-tailed hawk.
After two years as an apprentice, a falconer may qualify for a general
license. Master falconers must have a minimum of seven years experience".
Go to the New York DEC website and that should be able to direct you toward
the info you're looking for.
Good luck. Its alot of work
Darrin
Dell Gue <del...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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@home.com Brad
any means or manner to pursue, hunt, take, capture [or] kill" any migratory
birds except as permitted by regulations issued by the US Fish and Wildlife
Service. The term "take" is defined by regulation to mean to " pursue, hunt,
shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture or collect" any migratory bird or any
part, nest or egg of any migratory bird covered by the conventions, or to
attempt those activities.
Restricted activities are not confined to those that may injure or kill
birds. The Service has developed a system of permits for activities that
involve the take of migratory birds, including those governing scientific
collection and bird banding, and lethal and non-lethal measures taken to
prevent depredation of agricultural crops and to protect public health and
safety. For more information about those permits, or to clarify whether an
activity is allowed, contact the Service.
MIGRATORY BIRD PERMITS
The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (MBTA)(16 USC 703) makes it illegal for anyone
to take, possess, import, export, transport, sell, purchase, barter, or
offer for sale, purchase, or barter, any migratory bird, or the parts,
nests, or eggs of such a bird except under the terms of a valid permit
issued pursuant to Federal regulations. The migratory bird species protected
by the Act are listed in 50 CFR 10.13. View the list of MBTA protected
birds.
As authorized by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service issues permits to qualified applicants for the following types of
activities: falconry, raptor propagation, scientific collecting, special
purposes (rehabilitation, educational, migratory game bird propagation, and
salvage), take of depredating birds, taxidermy, and waterfowl sale and
disposal. Migratory bird permit policy is developed by the Division of
Migratory Bird Management and the permits themselves are issued by the
Regional Bird Permit Offices. The regulations governing migratory bird
permits can be found in 50 CFR part 13 (General Permit Procedures) and 50
CFR part 21 (Migratory Bird Permits).
EAGLE PERMITS
Eagles have additional protection under the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection
Act (BGEPA). Under the BGEPA, the Service issues permits to take, possess,
and transport bald and golden eagles for scientific, educational, and Indian
religious purposes, depredation, and falconry (golden eagles).No permit
authorizes the sale, purchase, barter, trade, importation, or exportation of
eagles, or their parts or feathers. The regulations governing eagle permits
can be found in 50 CFR part 13 (General Permit Procedures) and 50 CFR part
22 (Eagle Permits).
BIRD BANDING PERMITS
Because banding birds requires capturing the birds and handling them before
the banding takes place, the banding of birds in the United States is also
controlled under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and requires a federal
banding permit. Some states require a state permit as well. Only official
federal bands may be legally placed on birds that are released to the wild
within the United States. Bird banding permits, supplies of bird bands, and
bird banding data are administered by the Bird Banding Laboratory.
FYI
Raptors can never be "tamed" completely. They can be "manned down" but even
imprinted and manned down birds are subject to their flight or fight
instinct. They can also inflict nasty wounds and injuries, even Kestrels and
Screech Owls.
--
Brad Young
Volunteer
Raptor Rehabilitation of Kentucky Inc.
http://raptorrehab.org/home.htm
Darrin
I think the idea here is to perhaps "dissuade" people from wanting wild
birds as pets.
Darrin
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Dell Gue
from elsewhere in the world may be brought in as pets.
But, back to the question. Does anyone know where one can get a small,
diurnal owl or kestrel type bird. Kindly respond only if you have an
answer. 40 years is a long time. I can do without the lectures from
the less experienced.
Have fun with the birds you keep at the Raptor center, Brad.
Darrin
you'll have a tough time finding one thats diurnal .(You should know that)
You wont be able to keep one anyways.(legally).
You might want to contact the DEC like I said in my first post.
They will be able to direct you. Call the local DEC office for your region.
I assure you that they'll be able to help you out. Most likely You'll need
to contact a wildlife rehabber to get you started in your search, but like I
said you wont be able to keep an owl, but a kestral you can, under the right
circumstances.
What kind of birds have you kept for 40 years?
By the way its not a lecture, just some friendly advice from people that
know the rules and regs.
Darrin
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Dell Gue
One can import a captive bred owl or Kestrel/Kestral and keep it
legally. I don't want a wild bird. I want one imprinted upon me. I
may want to hunt it. But I do not want to go through all of the
paperwork required to hunt American birds. I have a friend who is a
Master Falconer but I don't want a large bird either. Harris Hawks
are not for the home.
The problem with captive bred imports is that they are MUCH more
expensive than they should be.
I've kept everything from wild birds that were hurt to canaries,
parrots, etc. I have not lived a day for at least the past 40 years
without at least one bird in the house and sometimes as many as 25
(breeding, etc.). Right now we are down to one Quaker Parrot so I
thought it would be a good time to get a small owl and spend its life
with it. I have wanted one for many years.
I would prefer to do things legally. I might consider some rehab work
but I would find a rehhab bird hard to give up in the end.
We like birds here.
On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:27:05 GMT, "Darrin" <still...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Darrin
tough. I'm pondering whether to go into that as well. Its a lotta work.
I have a friend that also is a Falconer. Actually he hunts rabbits with a
Red-tail. Its pretty amazing.
Good luck on your search.
MCAM...@nwlink.com
i don't think i would like the responsibility of keeping a wild bird
and frankly don't think it makes much sense
and ethically would not want deprived these critters of their
freedom
i get real sad walking by a pet store and seeing all the parrots and
macaws and whatever wasting their life away in a cage or on a chain,
BUT
having said all the above
i really would like to have the eagles, or the falcons or the hawks
that cruise by all day
to
stop on the deck/railing and eat a hunk of chicken or some kinda meat
does anyone know how to attract them ?????
and make them less wary of human contact???
and On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:00:12 GMT, del...@hotmail.com (Dell Gue)
wrote:
>How can I find a hand tamed, baby, diurnal owl or kestrel type bird to
Dell Gue
>does anyone know how to attract them ?????
I don't think your question makes much sense.
Mikie
> that cruise by all day
> to
> stop on the deck/railing and eat a hunk of chicken or some kinda meat
>
> does anyone know how to attract them ?????
> and make them less wary of human contact???
This would be the worst thing you could do for a raptor. Even though YOU
mean well, imagine the response an innocent hawk would get, if he showed up
at an unknowing family barbeque for a snack. Kids shrieking in fear,
mothers running to protect, and fathers grabbing their shot gun to rid the
group of the unexpected visitor.
Please don't even try to do what you are suggesting - it would ultimately be
the birds demise.
Mikie
MCAM...@nwlink.com
you put out corn
the crows come
you put out seeds
the sparrows come
you put out anything
and the seagulls come
you put out__________(?)
and the hawk lands on the deck and eats it??
On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:51:52 GMT, del...@hotmail.com (Dell Gue)
wrote:
>
dlg
Dell Gue wrote:
> >does anyone know how to attract them ?????
>
> I don't think your question makes much sense.
The question is clear. Wanting to do such a thing is questionable.
Darrin
There is a sport called Falconry. I'm sure that 99% of you have heard of
this? The birds used are of different breeds.
Red Tails, Kestrals, Harris hawks, etc..
The birds that are aquired by these people are ones that for some reason or
another cannot be returned to the wild.
Usually because some IDIOT steals a chick or maybe finds a young fledgling
not quite able to fly well just yet and they take the bird home and think
"what a cool pet". Being the IDIOTS they are, they don't have even the
slightest notion how to care for a wild carnivorous raptor.
Hopefully, they eventually contact the right agency (D.E.C.) who then puts
the bird in a wildlife rehabilitator's care.
They will then decide whether or not the bird can be returned to the wild.
If not, when its determined that HUMAN IMPRINTING has occured, meaning that
the bird no longer has the ability to fend for itself because the bird now
relies on humans to feed and care for it because their natural instincts
have been altered by HUMAN INTERVENTION, the birds are usually put up for
adoption.
There are many different situations that may take place.
Educational Research centers, might adopt one, a person possesing a valid
Falconer's permit/license might adopt one, the wildlife rehabber might even
keep one, in certain cases.
You get the picture.
All in all the birds are well cared for and given a second chance to live a
long and healthy live. Certainly not one that would benefit them the most
but one that will allow the bird and human a wonderful co-exisitance.
Theres nothing wrong with housing a raptor as long as the person has the
right legalities covered, intelligence, and knowledge of what they will be
up against.
Provided they aquire the bird under LEGAL circumstances.
Darrin
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Mikie
Your response would be right inline (and correct) with the original post...
I responded to the person who was expressing the desire to encourage a
healthy WILD raptor to become accustomed to being in close proximity to
humans. Slightly off-topic, but worthy of addressing I thought - sorry for
deviating :-)
Mikie
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still...@yahoo.com wrote on 11/27/01 8:14 PM:
Darrin
My post wasn't meant to be derogatory towards you in any way, You're right
in what you said. I was just giving some examples in greater depth, of
what you had said. Kinda painting a mental picture ;-)
Darrin
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Roger A. Moncrief
A search at http://www.google.com for birds for sale brought up these
hits: http://www.birdsnways.com/birds/b4sale.htm,
http://www.auburnweb.com/paradise/available/,
http://www.avianweb.com/birdsforsale.htm, etc. etc. Granted, most of the
hits (well over 120) deal with parrots and their ilk, many of them also
offer free wants listings, advertisements, etc. If what you desire is
available, then someone on those pages should be able to help. We're
mainly bird watchers in this group. BTW, from everything I have seen, no
raptor ever acts friendly like a parrot type bird. Hope this helps. Good
luck.
Dell Gue wrote:
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day with some chicken scratch for food and wait.
MCAM...@NWLINK.COM wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> i really would like to have the eagles, or the falcons or the hawks
> that cruise by all day
> to
> stop on the deck/railing and eat a hunk of chicken or some kinda meat
>
> does anyone know how to attract them ?????
> and make them less wary of human contact???
>
> and On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:00:12 GMT, del...@hotmail.com (Dell Gue)
> wrote:
>
> >How can I find a hand tamed, baby, diurnal owl or kestrel type bird to
> >keep as a pet? I have kept birds for 40 years so I don't need the
> >basic comments. I live in the Greater New York area.
> >
> >Thanks.
--
Darrin
way to go man.
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Major oz
>healthy WILD raptor to become accustomed to being in close proximity to
>humans.
....and it was a good one.
Out my kitchen window are my principal feeders. Looking past them, you can
see, about 100 ft away, the dam of my lake.
On this dam go all table scraps (and the possums, which are shot on sight).
The crows usually get most of it, but the occasional raptor (usual a redtail)
gets some. Whatever the birds don't get, the coons and coyotes get overnight.
My point is that the conversation here is, mostly, among city and surburban
dwellers. Some of us, however, are in the deep boonies and have interacted
with wildlife before many of your parents were born. As such, we have some
experience (and have made many mistakes).
So, what may be terribly uncool to the present PC set may be an every day
happening to some of us. Inquire before judging.
cheers, and good watching
oz, deep in the Ozarks
Darrin
I dont think you want to get into that kind of .... verbal disagreement
regarding Raptors.
Darrin
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Major oz
>I dont think you want to get into that kind of .... verbal disagreement
>regarding Raptors.
>
>Darrin
........it is neither directed nor barking -- merely informational. I respect
the work you do. The point is that some of us have "pet" raptors in the sense
that they hang around the place, due to our feeding of the critters; and that
fact does not make us bad people.
Of course, your mileage may varry.
cheers
oz
Mikie
respect
> the work you do. The point is that some of us have "pet" raptors in the
sense
> that they hang around the place, due to our feeding of the critters; and
that
> fact does not make us bad people.
> Of course, your mileage may varry.
Just something to think about: When a wild animal becomes accustomed to
finding a better food source while being in close proximity to humans, do
you think that the wild animal knows only to come to your plentiful food
source? I don't think you are a "bad" person, but there are plenty of "bad"
people who are out there, who don't have respect for wildlife and will hurt
an animal that doesn't leave quickly when sensing a human's presence. Many
raptors migrate, who's backyard are they dropping in on their way? Are they
all like you?
My own case in point from long ago (granted not a raptor, but wild all the
same): I had a family of raccoons that were showing up at night to eat
left-over cat food. They become accustomed to my presence and even began to
take food from my hands. I was delighted in the fact that these wild
critters accepted me. A year or so later, I had to move. The fellow that
moved in my house after me was an avid bow hunter who used the raccoons as
target practice. Did I do the raccoons any favors by having them learn to
trust humans? No. Unfortunately there are many people who would harm an
animal without giving it a second thought.
There are numerous stories to support the fact that we should not encourage
wild animals to become used to us by feeding them. There are plenty of
rehab stories about raptors who have grown to accept human handouts showing
up at times and places, begging for food - those birds usually end up
injured, or caught and kept in captivity, and used for educational purposes.
On a more extreme note, how many stories have you heard about bears, deer,
or elk, and how they behave after becoming accustomed to human handouts?
Okay, so we feed songbirds... but they do not illicit the same response when
showing up in your backyard, as say, a raptor, a bear, a mountain lion,
etc...
So for the safety of the wild animal, and the safety of the humans who
encounter them, it is just not wise to "teach" the critters to trust people.
Best regards and respectfully yours,
Mikie
Michelle S.
felt. It can be so tempting to want to interact with animals in the wild,
or at least bring them in closer, and your experience is a good reminder to
be wary of it for the animals' sake --thanks
--Michelle in PA
> My own case in point from long ago (granted not a raptor, but wild all the
> same): I had a family of raccoons that were showing up at night to eat
> left-over cat food. They become accustomed to my presence and even began
to
> take food from my hands. I was delighted in the fact that these wild
> critters accepted me. A year or so later, I had to move. The fellow that
> moved in my house after me was an avid bow hunter who used the raccoons as
> target practice. Did I do the raccoons any favors by having them learn to
> trust humans? No. Unfortunately there are many people who would harm an
> animal without giving it a second thought. <snip>
> Mikie
>
>
>
Terrie Murray
because apparently the popularity of the new Harry Potter movie is making some
kids very interested in having Snowy Owls as pets.
-- Terrie
Darrin wrote:
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Dell Gue
The owner has had this owl for eight years, which tells me the animal
is near death, and having had to put down my dog of 13 years today, I
don't want to see another pet die for a long while. Also, the owner
was unaware of what kind of owl it was. Strange for a person who has
owned the owl for eight years.
I'll find one, but I doubt this one is it.
Nancy Lee
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> OK OK wait a minute!!
> There is a sport called Falconry. I'm sure that 99% of you have heard of
> this? The birds used are of different breeds.
> Red Tails, Kestrals, Harris hawks, etc..
> The birds that are aquired by these people are ones that for some reason
or
> another cannot be returned to the wild.
This is not true at all, some falconers keep a bird for a1or 2 seasons
before freeing it.
If it could not be returned to the wild it would not be a falconry bird.
@home.com Brad
successfully. The whole process of manning down the bird hinders it's
ability to make it on its own in the wild. Though it can hunt and kill it is
taught to bring the quarry back to the falconer and eats only when the
falconer offers it a piece of the animal. Plus the bird in being manned down
loses most of its fear of humans which is dangerous for the bird and the
general public. Only wild caught immature birds are successfully released
after 1 or 2 seasons, and rarely is it documented whether they have much
success hunting and breeding.
Jim Barber
My condolences on the death of your dog. Dell
Darrin
You obviously know nothing about falconry or "HUMAN IMPRINTING" do you?
Look it up
Do some research before you make a statement like that.
Darrin
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right?
Darrin
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