The $1,000,001! question

[Andre Jute]

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This is the most consequential lawsuit in America in this century -- not excluding sending the determination of abortion "rights" back to the States, and also not excluding the vicious lawfare of the Biden Administration on Donald Trump -- but I had to go to an Australian blog to get a decent brief summary because the American Mainstream Media is either too sold-out or too stupid to realise that free speech is the prime liberty on which all other liberties owe their descent.
https://joannenova.com.au/2024/02/mark-steyn-ordered-to-pay-1-million-to-deter-climate-deniers-from-criticizing-sacred-scientists/
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I have no doubt that the Supreme Court will reduce the million dollars in exemplary damages to something in the order of four or five dollars, or possibly even zero, as no actual damages were proven. The jury, by giving an award of one dollar essentially called Michael Mann's case unproven, but gave him a million dollars in scientism award, scientism being the practice of putting scientist on a pedestal once reserved for an infallible god.
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Andre Jute
God, American "justice" is despicable, almost as ridiculous as global warming "science".
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[Tom Kunich]

I can hardly wait for this to get before the series of courts to get to the Supreme Court. There are at least a THOUSAND climate scientists willing to testify that CO2 does NOTHING in the atmosphere over perhaps 100 ppm. Not to mention we have the EMAILS between Michael Mann and his collaborators that discuss that the ONLY way to lend any veracity to his hockey stick predictions would be to erase climate history which they set about doing in recordings. https://realclimate.science/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/#gsc.tab=0 down the page is an animated recording of the historic tenperatures before and after the Michael Mann and NASA tampering. This is a criminal offence by NASA and at the change of government in November the prosecutions will commence.

[Andre Jute]

I agree with you, Tom, and have often said that Michael Mann should be charged and tried, but today the question must be asked: Where would one find a jury who'll convict him? I think that is a fair conclusion from the farce in Washington, where a jury perversely decided that Mann was not libelled and suffered no damage, so they gave him a derisory dollar for playing, and at the same time decided Simberg and Steyn are not entitled to criticise Mann even fairly, and levied a million dollars' worth of exemplary fine on them, which effectively means nobody has free speech against any scientist. You're right, this needs to go to the Supreme Court, the sooner the better. Fortunately Mark Steyn is just the guy to take it all the way, but he is not in good health, and he must first go fight an anti-censorship case he's brought against the Lord High Censor of England, Michael Grade, and his hatchet-woman, Dame Melanie Dawes. -- AJ
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[zen cycle]

On 2/13/2024 6:24 PM, shitstain wrote:
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> I had to go to an Australian blog to get a decent brief summary because the American Mainstream Media is either too sold-out or too stupid to realise that free speech is the prime liberty on which all other liberties owe their descent.
> https://joannenova.com.au/2024/02/mark-steyn-ordered-to-pay-1-million-to-deter-climate-deniers-from-criticizing-sacred-scientists/

it's more likely that you a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to
actually use this interweb thingie or you actually know you're
lying....probably a little of both. Just because the article doesn't
characterize the result in the fashion you wish to pervert it, doesn't
mean the article isn't a 'decent brief summary', shitstain.

News stories from American media on the Mann vs Steyn in the past week
from from that "evil left-wing pinko-commie search engine that
suppresses free speech": (This is just the first page)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/09/media/michael-mann-national-review-climate-defamation/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/climate/michael-mann-defamation-lawsuit.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00396-y

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/embattled-climate-scientist-michael-mann-wins-1-million-in-defamation-lawsuit/

https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-defamation-michael-mann-penn-state-61289ee2d8d2143768d28995c83899ef

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4458609-climate-scientist-michael-mann-wins-defamation-case-against-right-wing-writers/

https://www.jonesday.com/en/practices/experience/2021/03/national-review-prevails-in-highprofile-defamation-case

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/09/climate-scientist-michael-mann-defamation-lawsuit-win

https://reason.com/volokh/2024/02/09/climate-scientist-michael-mann-wins-defamation-suit-against-mark-steyn-and-rand-simberg/

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/after-12-years-michael-manns-defamation-case-against-mark-steyn-finally-goes-to-the-jury/

https://www.usnews.com/news/news/articles/2024-02-08/climate-scientist-michael-mann-wins-defamation-suit-over-comparison-to-molester-jury-decides

> American "justice" is despicable,

Then it's a good thing you don't live here. Seems like your government
has things well in-hand though

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/libraryResearch/2024/2024-02-06_climate-focus-climate-action-plan-2024_en.pdf

[Tom Kunich]

You don't know what Freedom of the Press is? WE HAVE THE EMAILS of Michael Mann and his coconspirators discussing why none of his predictions came even close and how to correct that by doctoring the temperature record. And I've already published the change in the historic temperature record as an outcome from those discussions. Mann, hasn't even one chance in 1,000,001 of winning and that judge will be impeached.

[Andre Jute]

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:30:25 AM UTC, zen cycle wrote:
> On 2/13/2024 6:24 PM, shitstain wrote:
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> from from that "evil left-wing pinko-commie search engine that
> suppresses free speech":
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Tell us then, Monkeyface, why you call Google an "evil left-wing pinko-commie search engine that suppresses free speech"*.
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Or are you just pissing out your neuroses against the hurricane? Again.
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Unsigned out of contempt for a little wannabe control-freak.
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*Still, I'll take pity on you: the only acceptable answer, which you're too dumb and immoral to arrive at, is, "Because it is true."
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>

[Andre Jute]

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You've put your finger on the biggest crime of the globalwarmies, next to the billion or so people their plans will immiserate first in poverty and starvation, and then in death. Their second biggest crime isn't even the wasted trillions of taxpayer money on stupid remedies that don't work "but send the right signal", but changing the temperature record on the original, thus destroying its utility for more honest scientists following them. The fellow who blew Climategate wide open was motivated by *that* scientific crime, and hoped by his exposure to get the "scientists" who did it punished for it. But only Jones was retired early; the rest escaped punishment. Without this original raw figures, we'll never know whether there was a threat, or whether any remedies are at all effective. Consequently, global warming is entirely a matter of faith, fraudulent religion. That is why I say there's more science in Scientology than in Global Warming. -- AJ
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[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:46:28 PM UTC-5, shitstain wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:30:25 AM UTC, zen cycle wrote:
> > On 2/13/2024 6:24 PM, shitstain wrote:
> > >>
> >
> > from from that "evil left-wing pinko-commie search engine that
> > suppresses free speech":
> >
> Tell us then, Monkeyface, why you call Google an "evil left-wing pinko-commie search engine that suppresses free speech"*.
> >
> Or are you just pissing out your neuroses against the hurricane? Again.

lol...I figured sarcasm would be too far above your low-brow comprehension...Q.E.D.

And of course, that's what you glom on to, rather than the fact that your perversion is exposed by revealing do a global search for a right-wing echo chamber.

> >
> Unsigned out of contempt for a little wannabe control-freak.

OH NO!!!! NOT UNSIGNED OUT OF CONTEMPT!!!! HOW SHALL I EVER SURVIVE !?!?!?!?!?

> >
> *Still, I'll take pity on you: the only acceptable answer, which you're too dumb and immoral to arrive at, is, "Because it is true."

Yes, shitstain, stupidity and immorality as exemplified by your constant posting of insipid right-wing opinion pieces as "fact". However, I don't pity you. The morally reprehensible shitstain you've become is of your own willful making.

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[Tom Kunich]

You can always tell when his boyfriend didn't let him blow him off and his jealousy knowing that he is seeing others exceeds his good sense so he posts about it.

[Tom Kunich]

Isn't it amazing that someone that would post that Republicans died more of covid than Democrats DESPITE not knowing the vaccination status of either group would dare to call someone else right wing.

[Zen Cycle]

jutelist#1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a closeted
queer, afraid people will find out.

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[Andre Jute]

The Flunkymonkey lies like he breathes, without thinking. Indeed, I'm not sure he is capable of thought. We can conduct a small experiment:
Hey, Flunkymonkey, what makes you think you're human?
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Andre Jute
It's everyone's Christian duty to feel sorry for the Flunkymonkey. We could easily all have been born as vicious and vacuous as the Flunkymonkey.

[Zen Cycle]

On 2/16/2024 12:58 AM, shitstain wrote:
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> Andre Jute
> It's everyone's Christian duty to feel sorry for the Flunkymonkey.

With "christians" like you there is no need for satan.

> We could easily all have been born as vicious and vacuous as the Flunkymonkey.

That would be a step up for you

[Tom Kunich]

Ot in other words you cannot answer the question. The one thing that has plagued humanity through the centuries and brought about every advance.

I think, therefore I am.

[zen cycle]

On 2/17/2024 3:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:57:54 AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 2/16/2024 12:58 AM, shitstain wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> It's everyone's Christian duty to feel sorry for the Flunkymonkey.
>> With "christians" like you there is no need for satan.
>>> We could easily all have been born as vicious and vacuous as the Flunkymonkey.
>> That would be a step up for you
>> --
>> Add xx to reply
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> Ot in other words you cannot answer the question.

I don't dance to shitstains tune.

> The one thing that has plagued humanity through the centuries and brought about every advance.

You have little credibility on the subject of humanity

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> I think, therefore I am.

You don't think, where does that leave you?

[Tom Kunich]

You are so stupid that you don't know shit from Shinola.Why don't you cite some more absolute propaganda when we HAVE the emails between Michael Mann and his cohorts discussing how to make his prediction fit the curve simply by erasing the Medieval Warm Period and the Dust Bowl years. And changing the actual temperature history from 1980 to present. He even got NASA and MOAA to change their historic data.

You are a mindless idiot drooling all over your keyboard.

[Tom Kunich]

On Mon Feb 19 07:24:16 2024 zen cycle wrote:
> On 2/17/2024 3:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> > On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:57:54?AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
> >> On 2/16/2024 12:58 AM, shitstain wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> It's everyone's Christian duty to feel sorry for the Flunkymonkey.
> >> With "christians" like you there is no need for satan.
> >>> We could easily all have been born as vicious and vacuous as the Flunkymonkey.
> >> That would be a step up for you
> >> --
> >> Add xx to reply
> >
> > Ot in other words you cannot answer the question.
>
> I don't dance to shitstains tune.
>
> > The one thing that has plagued humanity through the centuries and brought about every advance.
>
> You have little credibility on the subject of humanity
>
> >
> > I think, therefore I am.
>
> You don't think, where does that leave you?

Neither Andre nor I can help it if you are a complete failure at life. Someone that has to lie about everything. You have done that to yourself. If you had become an electrinics technician, you might have become successful had you learned to keep your moth shut though that is hardly likely.

[Tom Kunich]

One of the things that these asses don't understand is that we are very close to the end of the inter-Ice Age and all signs point to us dropping into another Ice Age and not global warming. This will leave just about everything north and south of 35 degrees latitude uninhabitable without large energy resources such as nuclear energy. But jackasses like Flunky will continue to extoll his misinterpretation of the data by people interested in only more government grants until he is frozen to death. Maybe we should name an iceberg after him?

[Tom Kunich]

Hmm, for some reason my last post didn't post.

But to reiterate, the climate is approaching an end of the Interglacial period which markes the beginning of a new Ice Age. It isn't as if ALL climatologists haven't known this. Depending on the ferocity of the coming Ice Age, human life without a LOT of cheap energy will not be possible from lattitudes 25 to 35 degrees north and south.

Obama told everyone that 97% of ALL scientists agreed that Global Warming was real and happening. If there is one opinion I believe is important it is that of a herpetologist or a member of the Audobon Society towaed Climate Change. The final step in the Interglacial period is that the final slight warming breaks down the polar vortex winds and the cold is no longer limited to the polar regions. Imagine the tears of joy amoung the Woke to discover that no longer will they need fear buring up but instead freezing to death because cheap energy will not be available and 20 feet of snow in their driveway will be commonplace.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:36:29 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hmm, for some reason my last post didn't post.

Did this start happening after you switched to NewsHosting.com? I'm
having almost the same problem except that I use SuperNews.com.
Sometimes, my postings don't appear on SuperNews.com, but seem to
appear everywhere else, including Google Groups.

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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Andre Jute]

This from Tom Kunich:

>>One of the things that these asses don't understand is that we are very close to the end of the inter-Ice Age and all signs point to us dropping into another Ice Age and not global warming.<<
>

Have you noticed that these klowns don't ever ask why the Little Ice Age that followed the Medieval Warm Period is called 'Little"? It is because it was short and sharp (on a geological scale) at only about two-and-a-half centuries, whereas an average ice age is roundabout 8000 years.
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The same people -- Hansen and that lot when Mann was still in short pants -- understood this in the 1970s, and wanted to pump heat into the oceans to hold back the freeze. A decade later it was all "we never said that, we're now on global warming, what big freeze?" Just this dumb flip-flopping is already enough for sensible people with analytical minds to reject, out of hand, both heresies, the earth freezing and the earth burning up.
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Andre Jute
Not that monkeys like Flunky and Krygowski, who get their "science" from television, will ever grasp that dendrochronology, the counting of tree rings which underlies millennial climate history, is a statistical art which has been totally discredited by the antics of deliberate liars like Michael Mann and Steve Jones.
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[zen cycle]

On 2/20/2024 3:23 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Mon Feb 19 07:24:16 2024 zen cycle wrote:
>> On 2/17/2024 3:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 4:57:54?AM UTC-8, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2024 12:58 AM, shitstain wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> It's everyone's Christian duty to feel sorry for the Flunkymonkey.
>>>> With "christians" like you there is no need for satan.
>>>>> We could easily all have been born as vicious and vacuous as the Flunkymonkey.
>>>> That would be a step up for you
>>>> --
>>>> Add xx to reply
>>>
>>> Ot in other words you cannot answer the question.
>>
>> I don't dance to shitstains tune.
>>
>>> The one thing that has plagued humanity through the centuries and brought about every advance.
>>
>> You have little credibility on the subject of humanity
>>
>>>
>>> I think, therefore I am.
>>
>> You don't think, where does that leave you?
>
>
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> Neither Andre nor I can help it if you are a complete failure at life.

You two have never been able to help anyone at anything.

> Someone that has to lie about everything.

And yet, you have not once been able to prove anything I've ever written
is a lie. You, otoh.....

> You have done that to yourself.

Unlike you and the shitstain, I've always taken responsibility for my
actions, even when I make mistakes.

> If you had become an electrinics technician,

No doubt you were an 'electrinics' technician

> you might have become successful had you learned to keep your moth shut though that is hardly likely.

I'm successful precisely because I speak up, and can back up my
positions with facts and lucid rationale, unlike someone who thinks a
dent in a top tube can miraculously pop out by riding the bike.

[zen cycle]

On 2/21/2024 5:08 AM, shitstain wrote:
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> Have you noticed that these klowns don't ever ask why the Little Ice Age that followed the Medieval Warm Period is called 'Little"? It is because it was short and sharp (on a geological scale) at only about two-and-a-half centuries, whereas an average ice age is roundabout 8000 years.

WE don't need to ask that question because the causes and results are
well documented. You woule do well to not assume everyone else is as
ignorant and opinionated as you and kunich.

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> The same people -- Hansen and that lot when Mann was still in short pants -- understood this in the 1970s, and wanted to pump heat into the oceans to hold back the freeze. A decade later it was all "we never said that, we're now on global warming, what big freeze?" Just this dumb flip-flopping is already enough for sensible people with analytical minds to reject, out of hand, both heresies, the earth freezing and the earth burning up.
>>
> Andre Jute
> Not that monkeys like Flunky and Krygowski, who get their "science" from television, will ever grasp that dendrochronology, the counting of tree rings which underlies millennial climate history, is a statistical art which has been totally discredited by the antics of deliberate liars like Michael Mann and Steve Jones.

lol...the shitstain found a new word to copy/paste. Too bad for you
dendochronolgy aligns rather well with global warming predictions.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/beyond-data/how-tree-rings-tell-time-and-climate-history

https://phys.org/news/2023-08-tree-reveal-years.html


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