Where's Liebermann?

[Tom Kunich]

That operation for a hernia of the type that Liebermann had is usually simple and involves the placement of a mesh and a few days hospital stay at the most. So why isn't he giving us his most excellent advise on Electronics Engineering as pertains to bicycle maintenance?

Of course, once they open up someone like him, they are likely to discover that he has been eating the daily newspaper and it has closed his stomach to intestinal tract down. Or perhaps he realized that the remainder of his life is too short to support people like Krygowski and Slocomb. We no longer need to include Flunky who has been reduced to a sniveling crybaby most of the time with an occasional attack of conscious and sound discussion of concerning bicycles. I haven't actually seen this myself but am told it did occur.

Back to the point of Liebermann, he has been vaccinated many times and with each jab, the chances of a terminal outcome from myocarditis or pericarditis appears to increase exponentially. Hopefully his doctor did not suggest a new vaccination and he accept. Better a pain-in-the-ass that is alive than one that isn't.

[Andre Jute]

Lieberman's missing, is he? It's possible that the hospital doesn't have Wifi. I wish him a speedy recovery/ He's been behaving badly in the last year or two, but he had credit for years of being helpful before his unfortunate obsession with you. -- AJ
>

[Tom Kunich]

My doctor despite knowing better suggested that I get a covid shot. I don't think he was prepared for the actual statistics. He didn't believe me and looked them up. The next visit he informed me that he no longer suggests covid-19 vaccines even for those in the most danger - because the vaccine have a higher kill ratio than the illness. It is very difficult to wheedle these statistics out of the CDC but they are there is you know how to find them.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 23 May 2023 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:10:52?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:

>> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:21:12?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > That operation for a hernia of the type that Liebermann had is usually simple and involves the placement of a mesh and a few days hospital stay at the most. So why isn't he giving us his most excellent advise on Electronics Engineering as pertains to bicycle maintenance?
>> >
>> > Of course, once they open up someone like him, they are likely to discover that he has been eating the daily newspaper and it has closed his stomach to intestinal tract down. Or perhaps he realized that the remainder of his life is too short to support people like Krygowski and Slocomb. We no longer need to include Flunky who has been reduced to a sniveling crybaby most of the time with an occasional attack of conscious and sound discussion of concerning bicycles. I haven't actually seen this myself but am told it did occur.
>> >
>> > Back to the point of Liebermann, he has been vaccinated many times and with each jab, the chances of a terminal outcome from myocarditis or pericarditis appears to increase exponentially. Hopefully his doctor did not suggest a new vaccination and he accept. Better a pain-in-the-ass that is alive than one that isn't.
>> >
>> Lieberman's missing, is he? It's possible that the hospital doesn't have Wifi. I wish him a speedy recovery/ He's been behaving badly in the last year or two, but he had credit for years of being helpful before his unfortunate obsession with you. -- AJ

I'm alive. The hiatal hernia surgery was mostly successful. A few
mistakes and surprised, but I'm working my way through those. Today,
I meet with the surgeon for a post-op. If anyone wants details on my
adventure through modern medicine, please ask and write something
appropriate.

>My doctor despite knowing better suggested that I get a covid shot. I don't think he was prepared for the actual statistics. He didn't believe me and looked them up. The next visit he informed me that he no longer suggests covid-19 vaccines even for those in the most danger - because the vaccine have a higher kill ratio than the illness. It is very difficult to wheedle these statistics out of the CDC but they are there is you know how to find them.

Yes, I know where to find them, but you don't. Show me a link to a
study that backs up your claim and maybe I'll take you seriously.
While I'm waiting for your substantiation, you might want to look at
this graph:
"United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status, All
ages" (deaths per 100,000).
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status>
The peak in unvaccinated deaths is even more spectacular if you switch
to the senior age groups. If you can't see the detail at the lower
death rates, switch from a "linear" to "log" graph.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[William Crowell]

Don't worry, Jeff; I believe only part of what Tom says about you. Nor am I holding it against you that you are a ham radio operator. I hope you will be feeling better soon.

[AMuzi]

Interesting but not a compelling argument either way.

The original Farr's graphs from London in the mid-1800s show
the same curves for viruses generally.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 7:54:03 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> Don't worry, Jeff; I believe only part of what Tom says about you. Nor am I holding it against you that you are a ham radio operator. I hope you will be feeling better soon.

I have published the studies many times before and am not going to repeat them. As to the morbidity of covid-19? If you knew how to use the CDC page you could discover that the people who died all had more than 2 comorbities and that the high number of deaths from respiratory illnesses (supposedly Covid-19) were almost entirely because of a ruling by Fauci that anyone that died that tested positive for Covid-19 DESPITE the real cause of death would have a cause of death entered as "Due to Covid-19). Any deaths after May of 2020 are almost entirely these falsely proscribed deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/23/2023 10:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>
> My doctor despite knowing better suggested that I get a covid shot. I don't think he was prepared for the actual statistics. He didn't believe me and looked them up. The next visit he informed me that he no longer suggests covid-19 vaccines even for those in the most danger - because the vaccine have a higher kill ratio than the illness. It is very difficult to wheedle these statistics out of the CDC but they are there is you know how to find them.

I don't believe any of that. It's as imaginary as your conversations
with Janet Yellen.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/23/2023 10:46 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> I'm alive. The hiatal hernia surgery was mostly successful. A few
> mistakes and surprised, but I'm working my way through those. Today,
> I meet with the surgeon for a post-op. If anyone wants details on my
> adventure through modern medicine, please ask and write something
> appropriate.

Glad you're back. I thought about you yesterday when coaxing my chainsaw
into starting.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/23/2023 10:59 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/23/2023 9:46 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

>> ...you might want to look at this graph:

>> "United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status, All
>> ages"  (deaths per 100,000).
>> <https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status>
>> The peak in unvaccinated deaths is even more spectacular if you switch
>> to the senior age groups.  If you can't see the detail at the lower
>> death rates, switch from a "linear" to "log" graph.
>>
>
> Interesting but not a compelling argument either way.
>
> The original Farr's graphs from London in the mid-1800s show the same
> curves for viruses generally.

That sounds like another claim that "correlation is not causation." When
applied to millions of data points, that's a short step away from "All
is mystery, nothing can be known. Ommmmmm..."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[pH]

On 2023-05-23, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 6:10:52?PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 7:21:12?PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> > That operation for a hernia of the type that Liebermann had is usually simple and involves the placement of a mesh and a few days hospital stay at the most. So why isn't he giving us his most excellent advise on Electronics Engineering as pertains to bicycle maintenance?
>>> >
>>> > Of course, once they open up someone like him, they are likely to discover that he has been eating the daily newspaper and it has closed his stomach to intestinal tract down. Or perhaps he realized that the remainder of his life is too short to support people like Krygowski and Slocomb. We no longer need to include Flunky who has been reduced to a sniveling crybaby most of the time with an occasional attack of conscious and sound discussion of concerning bicycles. I haven't actually seen this myself but am told it did occur.
>>> >
>>> > Back to the point of Liebermann, he has been vaccinated many times and with each jab, the chances of a terminal outcome from myocarditis or pericarditis appears to increase exponentially. Hopefully his doctor did not suggest a new vaccination and he accept. Better a pain-in-the-ass that is alive than one that isn't.
>>> >
>>> Lieberman's missing, is he? It's possible that the hospital doesn't have Wifi. I wish him a speedy recovery/ He's been behaving badly in the last year or two, but he had credit for years of being helpful before his unfortunate obsession with you. -- AJ
>
> I'm alive. The hiatal hernia surgery was mostly successful. A few
> mistakes and surprised, but I'm working my way through those. Today,
> I meet with the surgeon for a post-op. If anyone wants details on my
> adventure through modern medicine, please ask and write something
> appropriate.
>

Whew. I was worried about you. Yes, please, I would like more information:
I.e.: How you knew something was wrong and the steps taken to rememdy it by
the Sawbones.

Did you use the local surgical venues or something which many consider more
trustworthy over the hill? (That's San Jose area for you non-locals.)

pH in Aptos
WB6DWP

[Catrike Rider]

"Correlation is not causation" is not simply a claim, it's a well
known fact. People who claim otherwise are known as idiots.

[Tom Kunich]

Correlation is not necessarily causation but usually is. Just remember who you're talking with - Krygowski who believes that Janet Yellen is a Goddess and couldn't possibly be approached by mere mortals EVEN after Yellen has admitted her errors in public and agreed 100% with what I said her wild eyed errors were. I repeated that discussion here several times and SAID that her policies inevitably would lead to wild inflation.

As usual Krygowski was entirely unaware of first year economics and pretended that since Yellen has a PhD in economics she knew better than me. I simply cannot imagine some stupid ass like Frank WATCHING as all of my predictions come true and pretending that Yellen knows more than me. This is coming DIRECTLY out of his pocket. Is he that blind? Or is he still pretending that he is getting rich off of a university retirement?

I have two brothers that believed the shit the Democrats were passing out and never saved ONE cent for their retirements. Then they both retired and my older brother is living on social security despite my continued nagging him to put money away (he often worked two jobs with his main job the Southern Pacific Railroad and the union telling him he would have a rich retirement). The younger brother thinks that he going to be just fine with a Calpers retirement while Gavin Loathsome has driven the state into actual bankruptcy and the Democrats simply won't declare it because of the effect it would have on the California Democrat Party.

[AMuzi]

I felt mine tear but one may also see them- looks like a
golf ball under the skin at the first iteration (over time
they tear out larger).

[Catrike Rider]

I could feel mine bulging in and out as I pedaled(It was a Giant
Yukon). I had the hernia taken care of immediately. They wouldn't let
me leave the hospital until I'd urinated so, of course, I drank a lot
of water. When I finally went home (to my sailboat) I spent the rest
of the night and most of the next day in pain every time I had to
crawl out of the bunk to get to the head.

By the way, Back then I routinely rode from my boat at the Twin Dophin
Marina in Bradenton out to the beach on Anna Maria Island.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/23/2023 3:05 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Correlation is not necessarily causation but usually is.

People who claim otherwise at every opportunity are desperate to reject
evidence against their favorite views. If they had better rebuttals,
they'd use them.

> Just remember who you're talking with - Krygowski who believes that Janet Yellen is a Goddess and couldn't possibly be approached by mere mortals ...

I'm not claiming Janet Yellen wouldn't speak with any mere mortals. I'm
saying Janet Yellen never communicated with _you_.

While we're on the subject, how has the Pope responded to your
theological advice? ;-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

No, it isn't, dumbass. We've been through this before - the actually phrase is "correlation does not imply causation". It's a critically subtle distinction - not surprising floriduh dumbass doesn't get it.

> People who claim otherwise are known as idiots.

People who claim "Correlation is not causation" are idiots like you. People who state "correlation does not imply causation" and can then explain how analysis of cause and effect can show the data are or are not correlated are not idiots like you.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 04:34:26 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

There was no analysis of cause and effect, in those studies, Dummy,
and of course, a real case of obvious multiple causes and effects
would be very likely to have a correlation.

I'm sorry that this is so confusing to you.

There is absolutely no evidence that having a gun makes you more
likely to be shot. Having a gun and being shot are simply two running
issues that have a rough correlation. The only fact those "studies"
show is that people who get shot often have a gun, themselves. They do
not show that the gun is the cause of getting shot. There might be,
and probably are real demonstrable reasons why people with guns get
shot. For instance, pulling out a gun towards a policeman, or maybe
breaking into someone's home with a gun.

Now, on the other hand, your ignorant attempt to relate the
correlation issue to riding a bicycle over glass *is* clearly a case
of cause and effect.

[AMuzi]

On 5/24/2023 6:34 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

People who do not own bicycles do not experience flat
bicycle tires.

[Tom Kunich]

As I stated, correlation is not necessarily causation but in this particular case it is. But it doesn't mean at all what Krygowski. Flunky or Liebermann are implying. Those statistics INCLUDE criminals wielding guns. So of course those gun owners are more likely to get shot completely changing the narrative. But those three don't want to accept that so the lies continue to flow.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 23 May 2023 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've read that article a few times. The title of the article:
"Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19
Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)"
might lead one to believe that it compares death rates with and
without a Covid vaccine. It doesn't. Skim the article and notice the
prevalence of the words "estimate", "provisional" and "predict". That
article is really about producing a usable model for PREDICTING the
number of deaths under various conditions including vaccination. It
has nothing to do with reporting or comparing deaths from Covid
vaccinations. Again, the title is wrong and misleading.

Also, notice the References at the bottom of the page. All 4 are
about algorithms and models.

Another problem is the graph. When I check the:
"Excess deaths with and without COVID-19"
button, the graph doesn't graph actual deaths with and without
vaccinations. It graphs:
Predicted number of deaths, from all causes, including Covid-19
Predicted number of deaths, from all causes, excluding Covid-19
The compression of the vertical scale of the graph, where the width of
the data points obscures the tiny differences between these to items,
and the difference between the lines is tiny, it's impossible (for me)
to generate any useful conclusions. In other words, the graph is
useless.

I really like the disclaimer:
"Number of deaths reported on this page are the total number of deaths
received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all
deaths that occurred in that period."

Also, there's nothing in text the corroborates Tom's allegation that:

"the vaccine have a higher kill ratio than the illness".

[AMuzi]

It's unclear at best but looks odd if one assumes the mRNA
jabs are a positive feature for whole populations.

https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/australias-excess-death-toll-just

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-20-000-more-people-died-in-australia-last-year-than-anticipated-20230303-p5cp64.html

etc besides much similarly written about USA.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/24/2023 9:20 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 6:34 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

>>> [some Floridian wrote]

>>> "Correlation is not causation" is not simply a claim, it's a well
>>> known fact.
>>
>> No, it isn't, dumbass. We've been through this before - the actually
>> phrase is "correlation does not imply causation". It's a critically
>> subtle distinction - not surprising floriduh dumbass doesn't get it.
>>
>>>   People who claim otherwise are known as idiots.
>>
>> People who claim "Correlation is not causation" are idiots like you.
>> People who state "correlation does not imply causation" and can then
>> explain how analysis of cause and effect can show the data are or are
>> not correlated are not idiots like you.
>>
>
> People who do not own bicycles do not experience flat bicycle tires.

If a woman does not own a bicycle but the man she lives with owns one,
does that cause the woman to get flat bicycle tires? No.

But women who live with men who own guns are much more likely to be shot
compared to women whose mates don't own guns. Domestic violence is real.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/24/2023 8:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> There is absolutely no evidence that having a gun makes you more
> likely to be shot.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Since the medical establishment refuses to study who and why the excess deaths are among, we end up with people like Liebermann crying "you don't know nutin". What I do know is that the actual death counts were quite purposely exaggerated but the orders from the CDC to mark as "Cause of Death" on death certificates as "Covid-19" not if it was the actual cause of death but if the victim tested positive for the virus. Inasmuch as 99.9% of the people who contracted the virus had asymptomatic or very mild symptoms this was nothing more than a fear tactic to increase the rates of vaccinations. As a reward for such good work the pharmaceutical companies gave the head of the NIH and CDC $500 million, Yes, that's "million" with an "M".

Covid-19 is a respiratory disease and hence you judge such diseases by the number of respiratory deaths. They were almost entirely from late April of 2020 to early May of the same year and then deaths fell considerably below normal for the rest of time until now. There were and still are many deaths contributed to Covid-19 that more accurately would be attributed to the UNTESTED NEW TECHNOLOGY mRNA vaccines which we have since learned are horrible vaccines that should be entirely outlawed.

Yes there were a lot of excess deaths in 2020 from Covid-19. This would be expected in the ranks of the multiple comorbid groups who are above the average age of death. Because of the sharp dividing line that almost NO deaths were in people under 50, unless they were in exceedingly ill heath, the smart thing to do would not to be legalizing a completely untested vaccine technology but to concentrate of TREATMENT options to keep older victims alive until the virus ran its course which was very rapid (in general one week).

This was Trump's and his medical advisors choice for which he was soundly attacked by the Slime Stream Media. There is CLEAR evidence that there was total corruption of the CDC that lead to counter arguments not even being allowed to publish in medical journals.

What this all boils down to is that MOST of the deaths after the initial surge were due to the vaccines. I warned everyone that this was going to happen. And now the towering excess deaths point exactly toward the entire body being filled with Spike Proteins due to the vaccines and the HIV type slow but steady increase in excess deaths.

Isn't it time for Slocomb to tell us how the infection rate in Thailand was some small percentage of that of Thailand because of the use of masks? He loves being stupid since you couldn't go anywhere in California without a mask. People are still wearing them and excess deaths due to reasons other than Covid are still climbing. And the CDC has even manipulated the excess deaths by using statistical analysis methods of reporting rather than actual numbers.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 12:20:28 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>But women who live with men who own guns are much more likely to be shot
>compared to women whose mates don't own guns.

Assumes facts not in evidence...

[Tom Kunich]

Actually it is nothing more than Krygowski garbage. Women who live with men with guns are far more likely to be beaten. But Frank is happy to lie about anything.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:54:13 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/australias-excess-death-toll-just
>
>https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/almost-20-000-more-people-died-in-australia-last-year-than-anticipated-20230303-p5cp64.html
>
>etc besides much similarly written about USA.

Both sites want me to subscribe in order to read the articles.

Tom's comments were about the USA. His CDC example was about the USA,
not Australia. The situation might be different in Australia due to
differences in data collection, data interpretation, cause of death
standards, definitions, etc. Apples and oranges. The WHO has made an
effort at normalizing these differences, but I would prefer we kept
things national.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 5/24/2023 12:34 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> What this all boils down to is that MOST of the deaths after the initial surge were due to the vaccines.

Wow. I'm surprised that so few in the medical community are aware of
that! Tom, you should get your ideas published!

Also, we should hang whoever it was who bragged about getting that
vaccine fast-tracked. He should be charged with manslaughter, if not
murder. Who was it? President Donald something? Why is he not in jail?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

On 5/24/2023 11:20 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 9:20 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/24/2023 6:34 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> [some Floridian wrote]
>>>> "Correlation is not causation" is not simply a claim,
>>>> it's a well
>>>> known fact.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't, dumbass. We've been through this before -
>>> the actually phrase is "correlation does not imply
>>> causation". It's a critically subtle distinction - not
>>> surprising floriduh dumbass doesn't get it.
>>>

>>>> Â People who claim otherwise are known as idiots.

>>>
>>> People who claim "Correlation is not causation" are
>>> idiots like you. People who state "correlation does not
>>> imply causation" and can then explain how analysis of
>>> cause and effect can show the data are or are not
>>> correlated are not idiots like you.
>>>
>>
>> People who do not own bicycles do not experience flat
>> bicycle tires.
>
> If a woman does not own a bicycle but the man she lives with
> owns one, does that cause the woman to get flat bicycle
> tires? No.
>
> But women who live with men who own guns are much more
> likely to be shot compared to women whose mates don't own
> guns. Domestic violence is real.
>

I think that's topic drift, but yes, domestic violence is
indeed real and not ameliorating. Almost all hands and
fists, more edged weapons than firearms, and a host of
horrible outcomes unrelated to firearms generally in USA.

https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/woman-testifies-against-her-murderous-ex-in-mtv-doc/

More examples in any city's overnight news this morning, few
with firearms.

[Frank Krygowski]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

"Overall rates of homicide were more than twice as high among
cohabitants of handgun owners than among cohabitants of nonowners
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.33 [95% CI, 1.78 to 3.05]). These elevated
rates were driven largely by higher rates of homicide by firearm
(adjusted hazard ratio, 2.83 [CI, 2.05 to 3.91]). Among homicides
occurring at home, cohabitants of owners had sevenfold higher rates of
being fatally shot by a spouse or intimate partner (adjusted hazard
ratio, 7.16 [CI, 4.04 to 12.69]); 84% of these victims were female."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 12:24:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/24/2023 8:08 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> There is absolutely no evidence that having a gun makes you more
>> likely to be shot.
>
>
>https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/

I don't pay to read...

>https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

<<LOL> More correlation, but no evidence of causation. People who get
shot, sometimes, perhaps even often, own a gun themselves.

>https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/

<EYEROLL> More of the above...

Fact is that in order to prove that owning a gun or living with
someone who owns one makes it more likely you'll be shot, you'd have
to *SHOW EVIDENCE THAT THE GUN OWNERSHIP WAS WHAT CAUSED SOMEONE TO BE
SHOT.*

Don't they teach simple logic like that in schools and colleges? I
guess not, some fools simply agree with the erroneous conclusions
because that's what they want to believe.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 24 May 2023 12:57:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/24/2023 12:46 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

More ignorant group think from Krygowski.

[AMuzi]

We haven't established whether or not people in more
dangerous areas/situations arm themselves as a reaction to
potential violence.

I suspect so. You do not.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 23 May 2023 15:11:30 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>I felt mine tear but one may also see them- looks like a
>golf ball under the skin at the first iteration (over time
>they tear out larger).

That's a different type of hernia from what I had.
"Different Types of Hernia in Men"
<https://www.verywellhealth.com/types-of-hernia-in-men-2328480>

Mine was a hiatal hernia, which is where the diaphragm strangles the
stomach where the esophagus goes through it. As an added bonus, my
stomach had an axial twist of about 120 degrees. Actually, had is
incorrect because the twist is still present. It will take 6 to 8
weeks for the stomach to untwist itself. Anyway, a hiatal hernia does
not exhibit a bulge. Sorry, but I (thankfully) have no experience
with the other types of hernias and can't offer any pointers or
suggestions.