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Nate Nagel

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:00:50 PM11/5/09
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a smooth stud cantilever brake shoe that uses old school "Nuovo Record"
style refills?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakeshoes.html#campagnolo

I picked up some NOS Dia-Compe cantilever shoes and had high hopes for
them, but when I looked at them closely they are longer than the Campy
refills, and aren't refillable without modifications (I suppose I could
grind one end off and then drill and tap them for a setscrew, but that
doesn't solve the problem of not being able to refill them.)

I want to use KS Salmon pads on my bike, and would prefer to keep an old
school look. If the answer to the above question is "no" I'm going to
order these from VO:

http://velo-orange.com/voadbrsh.html

thanks!

nate

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AMuzi

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:35:45 PM11/5/09
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Nate Nagel wrote:
> a smooth stud cantilever brake shoe that uses old school "Nuovo Record"
> style refills?
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakeshoes.html#campagnolo
>
> I picked up some NOS Dia-Compe cantilever shoes and had high hopes for
> them, but when I looked at them closely they are longer than the Campy
> refills, and aren't refillable without modifications (I suppose I could
> grind one end off and then drill and tap them for a setscrew, but that
> doesn't solve the problem of not being able to refill them.)
>
> I want to use KS Salmon pads on my bike, and would prefer to keep an old
> school look. If the answer to the above question is "no" I'm going to
> order these from VO:
> http://velo-orange.com/voadbrsh.html

DiaCompe's dovetail doesn't match Campagnolo's, as you found.

I recommend Kool Stop Eagle II. If you want to use your
removable inserts, get some vintage Mafac holders.

http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/index.php

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Nate Nagel

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Nov 5, 2009, 7:57:34 PM11/5/09
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I'm actually trying to replace some Eagle IIs. I had ordered some but
threaded stud ones showed up on my doorstep instead of the smooth stud
ones I'd ordered :(

where the heck would one find Mafac holders? Don't tell me... you've
got a drawer full of 'em?

I know, I'm weird, but sometimes the little touches make a big
difference (to me.) Kind of like looking for a vintage Sun Super Tach
for my car instead of going to the parts store and buying the "Sunpro
Super Tach II" that you can buy all day every day for $40...

datakoll

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:01:44 PM11/5/09
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SEE WHAT'S NEWSEE WHAT'S NEWSEE WHAT'S NEWSEE WHAT'S NEWSEE WHAT'S
NEWSEE WHAT'S NEWSEE WHAT'S NEW.....

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Apart SystemQuik Klaw Take Apart SystemQuik Klaw Take Apart System

ahhhhhhhhh just the gizmoi furmah dog shit encrusted tires WITH THE 45
GALLON TRASH BAGS OFF COURSE !!

does the QK mount salmon rubbers ?

DOLENNA ! where the XXXX are muh brake pads ???
first long 29er trip (aborted) we lost a QR nut then tore the deray
off
the pad assembly is next fersure.
pass the speaker magnet...

salmon rubbers in QK ???

very impressive, Eagle - anyone want a 1 pound bag of OEM 10 speed
pads ?

AMuzi

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Nov 5, 2009, 8:02:59 PM11/5/09
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two for 99 cents:
http://tinyurl.com/yk8ehpv

Includes some free French bits

Tim McNamara

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:02:21 PM11/6/09
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landotter

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:12:18 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 6, 11:02 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <hcvouv01...@news4.newsguy.com>,

No longer available. Best solution is to get the VO silver holders and
eventually put KS DA salmon rubbers in 'em.

N8N

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:16:15 PM11/6/09
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On Nov 6, 12:02 pm, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In article <hcvouv01...@news4.newsguy.com>,

Yup, exactly! Are those still available for sale anywhere?

nate

landotter

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Nov 6, 2009, 12:47:51 PM11/6/09
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Fleabay, if you're lucky. Eagle IIs are the best smooth post pad
that's commonly available. That would be my choice--as the VO holders
might look sharp and work fine--the EIIs have something like twice the
material contacting the rim and last ages.

Jobst Brandt

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Nov 6, 2009, 2:46:38 PM11/6/09
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Tim McNamara wrote:

>> a smooth stud cantilever brake shoe that uses old school "Nuovo
>> Record" style refills?

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakeshoes.html#campagnolo

>> I picked up some NOS Dia-Compe cantilever shoes and had high hopes
>> for them, but when I looked at them closely they are longer than
>> the Campy refills, and aren't refillable without modifications (I
>> suppose I could grind one end off and then drill and tap them for a
>> setscrew, but that doesn't solve the problem of not being able to
>> refill them.)

>> I want to use KS Salmon pads on my bike, and would prefer to keep
>> an old school look. If the answer to the above question is "no"
>> I'm going to order these from VO:

http://velo-orange.com/voadbrsh.html

> How about these:

http://www.bikepro.com/products/brakes/brakepads/scott_math_pad.html

No good. Unless you are a slave to fashion, the Kool-Stop Continental
with salmon compound is the best brake pad you can find. It cannot
separate from its attachment bolt and it is secured by a self locking
nut. See illustration:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/brakeshoes.html#threaded

Jobst Brandt

Tim McNamara

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Nov 7, 2009, 7:45:54 PM11/7/09
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In article <4af47d1e$0$1598$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Jobst Brandt <jbr...@sonic.net> wrote:

It's the same compound.

Chalo

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Nov 8, 2009, 12:11:42 AM11/8/09
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Tim McNamara wrote:

>
>  Jobst Brandt <jbra...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you are a slave to fashion, the Kool-Stop Continental
> > with salmon compound is the best brake pad you can find.  It cannot
> > separate from its attachment bolt and it is secured by a self locking
> > nut.  
>
> It's the same compound.

I'm not so sure. Scott-Matthauser pads had a greater tendency to melt
under extreme loads than Kool Stop Salmon pads. Whether this was due
to the greater thickness of the Scott pads or the aluminum backing
cast into the Kool Stop pads is unclear, but it might be a simple
matter of differences between their otherwise similar compounds.

Chalo

thirty-six

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:18:03 AM11/8/09
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I expect that varience in the production process due to the extra
thermal capacity of the metal in the Kool Stop created differences in
stability of the rubber due to a more prolonged time of vulcanization
with the Kool Stops.

Jobst Brandt

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:37:32 AM11/8/09
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Chalo Colina wrote:

Melting was my experience early on when S-M was offering his clumsy
"pair of pliers" brake caliper and slip-in pads that melted. That is
how I got to Kool-Stop. I still have one and remnants in a collection
of arcane hardware.

Jobst Brandt

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