Bicycle racer killed

[AMuzi]

https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/teenage-us-cyclist-star-magnus-white-struck-and-killed-by-car-weeks-before-world-championship/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

I can't remember ever taking chances when I was a young rider. Yet you've displayed quite a few "bicyclist killed" articles recently. Do you suppose this is the fault of the drivers or the riders?

[AMuzi]

On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/teenage-us-cyclist-star-magnus-white-struck-and-killed-by-car-weeks-before-world-championship/

>

> I can't remember ever taking chances when I was a young rider. Yet you've displayed quite a few "bicyclist killed" articles recently. Do you suppose this is the fault of the drivers or the riders?
>

To what part of 'hit from behind' did the cyclist contribute?

[Tom Kunich]

That page would not open and a search for other articles showed a Facebook account that did not mention being "hit from behind". "Today" did not say that he was hit from behind.

The Daily Camera has a more complete coverage but sounds very odd again "At 12:33 p.m. Saturday, White was riding his Trek Model Emonda SL 7 bike southbound on Diagonal Highway just south of the 63rd Street intersection when he was hit by a woman driving a Toyota Matrix that had crossed from the righthand lane into the shoulder, according to Colorado State Patrol Trooper Gabriel Moltrer."

It appears that he was riding well over on the shoulder and that driver was completely distracted and that it was a very long chance accident. No charges were filed. And this in Colorado.

https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/

So what do you suggest happened? With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.

[Tom Kunich]

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

And while we're at it - at what point is an accident and accident to which both parties or either contribute or a bad coincidence?

Any time a 250 lb vehicle interacts in any way with a 3,000 lb vehicle traveling at least 2 or more times its speed who is at fault? The safest means of transportation in the world or the most common?

Now I can understand advertising deaths by special circumstances but what is gained by showing "yet another bicyclist killed" articles? I am sure that you have observed Catrike's fear of riding on the streets. And our local rider who had 20 years of 10,000+ mile years suddenly stopping riding and is now a runner (people of whom are usually statistically in more danger than a cyclist.)

If you DRIVE enough you have a strong chance of dying in a wreck and so likewise we can assume that if you ride enough miles the wrong circumstances will sooner or later appear and you can be killed. At 17 just as easily as 78.

If you personally did nothing wrong and were killed in a car wreck is it any different than you doing nothing wrong and dying on a bike?

I will continue to ride thank you.

[AMuzi]

On 7/31/2023 7:28 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

Here are a few links you might try:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Magnus+White&ia=web

And 'charges not filed' is normal in incidents where an
investigation is yet in progress.

[John B.]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:57:46 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 7/31/2023 7:28 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/teenage-us-cyclist-star-magnus-white-struck-and-killed-by-car-weeks-before-world-championship/
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't remember ever taking chances when I was a young rider. Yet you've displayed quite a few "bicyclist killed" articles recently. Do you suppose this is the fault of the drivers or the riders?
>>>>
>>> To what part of 'hit from behind' did the cyclist contribute?
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> That page would not open and a search for other articles showed a Facebook account that did not mention being "hit from behind". "Today" did not say that he was hit from behind.
>>
>> The Daily Camera has a more complete coverage but sounds very odd again "At 12:33 p.m. Saturday, White was riding his Trek Model Emonda SL 7 bike southbound on Diagonal Highway just south of the 63rd Street intersection when he was hit by a woman driving a Toyota Matrix that had crossed from the righthand lane into the shoulder, according to Colorado State Patrol Trooper Gabriel Moltrer."
>>
>> It appears that he was riding well over on the shoulder and that driver was completely distracted and that it was a very long chance accident. No charges were filed. And this in Colorado.
>>
>> https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/
>>
>> So what do you suggest happened? With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.
>>
>
>Here are a few links you might try:
>https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Magnus+White&ia=web
>
>And 'charges not filed' is normal in incidents where an
>investigation is yet in progress.

The article did say that "state authorities do not believe alcohol,
drugs or speeding were involved" and the car "then traveled off the
right side of the road down an embankment before the car slammed into
a fence and stopped, highway patrol said."

But whether it was an accident" or not will probably never be
determined. Or, for that matter, what is an accident"? "My phone rang
and I had to answer it"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:28:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/

>
>With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.

The article says:

"No charges have been filed at this time, and the crash remains under
investigation".

Charges are normally filed AFTER a preliminary investigation, not
before.

Colorado Statute of Limitations.
<https://www.shouselaw.com/co/defense/laws/statute-of-limitations/>
"Most felonies, including manslaughter. 3 years after the alleged
offense".
"Vehicular homicide (fatal DUI or fatal reckless driving) with no hit
and run. 5 years after the incident".

If there's evidence of distracted driving, she could be charged with
vehicular manslaughter.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

Liebermann, why do you insist in talking about things you don't know shit about? Was that phony degree of yours in law? If a person did NOT run there was little chance that they could ever be found guilty of purposeful distracted driving. That could only be determined in a court under cross examination and any lawyer would have advised the driver to plead guilty to a lesser charge of careless driving or say trying to pick up a jacket that fell off of the front seat onto the floor and lost track of where she was.

But you feel the need to say something about anything and everything that is mentioned. Thank heavens you're dying and we won't have to put up with this much longer.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 07:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 6:55:56?PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 17:28:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/
>> >
>> >With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.
>> The article says:
>>
>> "No charges have been filed at this time, and the crash remains under
>> investigation".
>>
>> Charges are normally filed AFTER a preliminary investigation, not
>> before.
>>
>> Colorado Statute of Limitations.
>> <https://www.shouselaw.com/co/defense/laws/statute-of-limitations/>
>> "Most felonies, including manslaughter. 3 years after the alleged
>> offense".
>> "Vehicular homicide (fatal DUI or fatal reckless driving) with no hit
>> and run. 5 years after the incident".
>>
>> If there's evidence of distracted driving, she could be charged with
>> vehicular manslaughter.

>Liebermann, why do you insist in talking about things you don't know shit about?

Because you know even less and I feel the need to make the necessary
corrections.

>Was that phony degree of yours in law? If a person did NOT run there was little chance that they could ever be found guilty of purposeful distracted driving. That could only be determined in a court under cross examination and any lawyer would have advised the driver to plead guilty to a lesser charge of careless driving or say trying to pick up a jacket that fell off of the front seat onto the floor and lost track of where she was.

A law degree is not necessary to understand that district attorneys
are rather reluctant to press charges before investigating. I'm
fairly certain that the driver will discuss the matter with an
attorney. Some plea bargaining is likely, especially if the legal
expenses are substantial (about $250/hr for the attorney).

>But you feel the need to say something about anything and everything that is mentioned.

That's interesting. I was going to accuse you of doing exactly the
same thing.

[Tom Kunich]

Andrew, "under investigation" is cop talk for "we're waiting for the noise to die down so that we can go back to situation normal". If they don't have answers from the scene (alcohol, drugs or medical problems) it ain't going to change. This is as stupid as the claims of Slime Stream Media believers like Liebermann who actually believe that a cop car was stopped and a bicyclist ran a red light into the side of the cop car.

We now have a new generation of reporters coming up that are disgusted with the media incompetence and lies. For 20 years the President of Stanford was publishing outright lying scientific papers to gain prestige and office. Recently an 18 year old Freshman blew the whistle on him by showing the outright lies in these papers. Wokism which is nothing more than the protection of the liars is falling apart under its own weight.

Perhaps we can see a future where reporters are again reporters and not political hacks.

[Tom Kunich]

The difference is that I am a bicyclist and these things concern me. You are not and they don't. But that doesn't stop your ignorant blather one bit. You write to see your own words on a group to make you feel important. I do not and never needed to feel a sense of importance from anything other than the actual work I did. I would suggest that you grow up but you have shown yourself so far beyond that capability that it needn't even be mentioned.

[AMuzi]

On 8/1/2023 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:57:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 7/31/2023 7:28 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/teenage-us-cyclist-star-magnus-white-struck-and-killed-by-car-weeks-before-world-championship/
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't remember ever taking chances when I was a young rider. Yet you've displayed quite a few "bicyclist killed" articles recently. Do you suppose this is the fault of the drivers or the riders?
>>>>>
>>>> To what part of 'hit from behind' did the cyclist contribute?
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> That page would not open and a search for other articles showed a Facebook account that did not mention being "hit from behind". "Today" did not say that he was hit from behind.
>>>
>>> The Daily Camera has a more complete coverage but sounds very odd again "At 12:33 p.m. Saturday, White was riding his Trek Model Emonda SL 7 bike southbound on Diagonal Highway just south of the 63rd Street intersection when he was hit by a woman driving a Toyota Matrix that had crossed from the righthand lane into the shoulder, according to Colorado State Patrol Trooper Gabriel Moltrer."
>>>
>>> It appears that he was riding well over on the shoulder and that driver was completely distracted and that it was a very long chance accident. No charges were filed. And this in Colorado.
>>>
>>> https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/
>>>
>>> So what do you suggest happened? With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.
>>>
>> Here are a few links you might try:
>> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Magnus+White&ia=web
>>
>> And 'charges not filed' is normal in incidents where an
>> investigation is yet in progress.

> Andrew, "under investigation" is cop talk for "we're waiting for the noise to die down so that we can go back to situation normal". If they don't have answers from the scene (alcohol, drugs or medical problems) it ain't going to change. This is as stupid as the claims of Slime Stream Media believers like Liebermann who actually believe that a cop car was stopped and a bicyclist ran a red light into the side of the cop car.
>
> We now have a new generation of reporters coming up that are disgusted with the media incompetence and lies. For 20 years the President of Stanford was publishing outright lying scientific papers to gain prestige and office. Recently an 18 year old Freshman blew the whistle on him by showing the outright lies in these papers. Wokism which is nothing more than the protection of the liars is falling apart under its own weight.
>
> Perhaps we can see a future where reporters are again reporters and not political hacks.
>

You don't know that.

Commonly toxicology test reports, other drivers/witnesses
statements, nearby cameras and so on take a few days to collate.

[Tom Kunich]

Andrew, let me guess, you know that this woman is going to be charged under some grounds even if they have to be made up? If there is no alcohol, drugs or pre-existing medical conditions the cops have a million other things to do. That's the end of it.

[AMuzi]

On 8/1/2023 10:37 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:16:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/1/2023 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:57:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2023 7:28 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:19:03 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/teenage-us-cyclist-star-magnus-white-struck-and-killed-by-car-weeks-before-world-championship/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't remember ever taking chances when I was a young rider. Yet you've displayed quite a few "bicyclist killed" articles recently. Do you suppose this is the fault of the drivers or the riders?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To what part of 'hit from behind' did the cyclist contribute?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>
>>>>> That page would not open and a search for other articles showed a Facebook account that did not mention being "hit from behind". "Today" did not say that he was hit from behind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Daily Camera has a more complete coverage but sounds very odd again "At 12:33 p.m. Saturday, White was riding his Trek Model Emonda SL 7 bike southbound on Diagonal Highway just south of the 63rd Street intersection when he was hit by a woman driving a Toyota Matrix that had crossed from the righthand lane into the shoulder, according to Colorado State Patrol Trooper Gabriel Moltrer."
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that he was riding well over on the shoulder and that driver was completely distracted and that it was a very long chance accident. No charges were filed. And this in Colorado.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/07/31/magnus-white-cyclist-magnus-white-killed-boulder/
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you suggest happened? With no charges filed it is pretty obvious that the cops think this was purely an accident.
>>>>>
>>>> Here are a few links you might try:
>>>> https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=Magnus+White&ia=web
>>>>
>>>> And 'charges not filed' is normal in incidents where an
>>>> investigation is yet in progress.
>>> Andrew, "under investigation" is cop talk for "we're waiting for the noise to die down so that we can go back to situation normal". If they don't have answers from the scene (alcohol, drugs or medical problems) it ain't going to change. This is as stupid as the claims of Slime Stream Media believers like Liebermann who actually believe that a cop car was stopped and a bicyclist ran a red light into the side of the cop car.
>>>
>>> We now have a new generation of reporters coming up that are disgusted with the media incompetence and lies. For 20 years the President of Stanford was publishing outright lying scientific papers to gain prestige and office. Recently an 18 year old Freshman blew the whistle on him by showing the outright lies in these papers. Wokism which is nothing more than the protection of the liars is falling apart under its own weight.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we can see a future where reporters are again reporters and not political hacks.
>>>
>> You don't know that.
>>
>> Commonly toxicology test reports, other drivers/witnesses
>> statements, nearby cameras and so on take a few days to collate.

> Andrew, let me guess, you know that this woman is going to be charged under some grounds even if they have to be made up? If there is no alcohol, drugs or pre-existing medical conditions the cops have a million other things to do. That's the end of it.
>

No, I don't know that.

Did she have a medical event? Is she an epileptic? License
expired? Texting? Puffing the bong while perusing Insta
Gram? PD likely has her telephone activity records and they
usually check that timeline.

Or if none of those was she overly tired, nodded off,
drifted and then hypercorrected? Cameras in following cars
can show a lot. And sometimes there just is no video.

In light of her continuing down a grade and then crashing
there may well be more to this story but so far we just
don't know.

Current example-
The other day someone in a black SUV (maybe the vehicle
self-identifies as a homicidal black pickup truck?) ran
through a crowd of illegal aliens in NC. The radio news
blather assumed 'white supremacy hate crime'.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lincolnton-migrant-workers-hit-and-run-walmart-north-carolina/

Uh, not so much.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/08/01/migrant-hit-run-suspect-arrested/8391690871683/

Mr Gonzales claims to be an idiot who panicked and drove
off, not a psychopath racist killer.

[Tom Kunich]

But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist. The gas and brake pedals on my Taurus X are too close together and I have to be extremely careful not to hit the gas when I'm trying to hit the brake. I don't know how common this is but the Taurus sedans did not have that problem. Considering that mechanical engineers have been taught by people like Frank who has to ask for statistics that are in the first entry on the first page of a Google search, perhaps screw-ups like that are common.

[John B.]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:14:26?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 8/1/2023 10:37 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>> > On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:16:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 8/1/2023 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>> >>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:57:40 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 7/31/2023 7:28 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

>> >>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 5:06:08 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 7/31/2023 5:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

So, Jeff being a white supremacist and Frank who asks for statistics
are the cause of you being unable to safely drive tour car without
concentrating on which pedal is brake and which is throttle?

Tom, you ARE a fool!
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>This is as stupid as the claims of Slime Stream Media believers like Liebermann who actually believe that a cop car was stopped and a bicyclist ran a red light into the side of the cop car.

Tom: Given the choice of believing the article, or believing you, I
much prefer to believe the article. I have issues with probably every
source of news and information that claims to be authoritative. Most
of them make mistakes. Given time, most of them eventually get it
right, sometimes after a few additional mistakes. In general, none of
these authoritative sources are perfect. Even I make mistakes.
However, their batting average is far better than yours. Your
pontifications and amazing facts are consistently wrong, distorted,
stuffed full of inconsistencies and most important, are NEVER
substantiated.

Maybe a personalized 10 commandments for RBT might help:
1. Don't lie. You're terrible at lying and nobody believes you
anyway.
2. Don't expect anyone to prove your point for you. That's your job.
3. Honor those with knowledge and experience. They may not always be
correct, but they're many orders of magnitude more accurate than you
are.
4. Don't write anything that you also not want to read. If it's not
worth reading, it's also now worth writing.
5. Forget about insulting everyone you find disagreeable. It doesn't
work and proves nothing.
6. Try some humor. You'll probably find that it works better than
lies, death threats, amazing facts, fabrications, etc.
7.

More commandments later.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist.

Everyone is white. I make no distinction by color. I suggest that
you try going through life without hating anyone. I think you'll find
it easier.

>The gas and brake pedals on my Taurus X are too close together

We've had this discussion previously. After your claims of the
amazing gasoline mileage of your 2007 Taurus X, I don't believe that
you own a Taurus X. What you probably do own is a 2018 Kia Soul,
which can be seen parked on the lawn to the left of your garage door
in the 2018 and 2021 Google Street View photos.

>and I have to be extremely careful not to hit the gas when I'm
>trying to hit the brake.

That can happen if you're bow legged or out-toed:
<https://www.healthline.com/health/duck-footed>
I doubt any of these are your problem because they make riding with
cleats and clipless pedals somewhat difficult.

Are you perhaps using both feet at the same time? Left foot on the
brake and right foot on the accelerator? Very bad idea.

>I don't know how common this is but the Taurus sedans did not have
>that problem.

Well, you could look it up using Google Search or DuckDuckGo. I tried
but couldn't find any complaints. Try your luck.

>Considering that mechanical engineers have been taught by people
>like Frank who has to ask for statistics that are in the first
>entry on the first page of a Google search, perhaps screw-ups like
>that are common.

What Frank believes has no effect on anything you believe, claim or
accuse. Same with Frank's history, background, education, title,
accomplishments, beliefs etc. You stand or fall based on your own
merits (or lack of merits), and not those of someone else. Your
critics could be angels, devils and everything in between, but your
abilities, accomplishments and lies will remain unchanged. Denouncing
someone does not make you a better person or prove your points.

[John B.]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 18:36:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist.
>
>Everyone is white. I make no distinction by color. I suggest that
>you try going through life without hating anyone. I think you'll find
>it easier.

"White Supremist"??

But I wonder... what do you call someone who is Caucasian and the best
in his sport, trade, finances, etc.? Is he not a "white" Supremacist?
(:-/)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 9:37:11 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist.
> Everyone is white.

I'm not. I'm sort of tan. Or beige. Or maybe ecru.

Are there ecru supremacists?

- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 09:41:24 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 18:36:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist.

Note that white is the combination of all colors:
<https://www.amnh.org/explore/ology/physics/see-the-light2/the-color-of-light>
"White light is a combination of all colors in the color spectrum."

>>Everyone is white. I make no distinction by color. I suggest that
>>you try going through life without hating anyone. I think you'll find
>>it easier.

>"White Supremist"??

Obviously, Tom is not an orthographer:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=orthographer>
Actually, the problem is not that Tom can't spell. For what it's
worth, I'm probably equally bad at spelling. The difference is that
Tom is too lazy to spell and fact check his writing, while do both.

>But I wonder... what do you call someone who is Caucasian and the best
>in his sport, trade, finances, etc.? Is he not a "white" Supremacist?
>(:-/)

That would be a polymath:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymath>

For Tom, I think some of these words would be more appropriate:
<https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/know_nothing.html>

[John B.]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 21:13:47 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

No, not a polymath, but an individual that is best in one
accomplishment, a champion, baseball player,or a Bicycle Shop Owner,
or a, Banker, and so on :-)

>For Tom, I think some of these words would be more appropriate:
><https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/know_nothing.html>

Or maybe a more correct term is "omniscient" defined as an individual
who: "has infinite awareness, understanding, and insight". Ah yes!
Our very own Tommy!... (at least in his own mind :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 09:41:24 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

According to some, a white supremist is anyone who doesn't support the
"woke" agenda, regardless of their race, or ethnic background.

[John B.]

:-) Well, what do you call a group of people that obviously believe,
and confirm by their actions, that they are "better" then the
residents of a country that they are visiting :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 16:37:24 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 04:09:51 -0400, Catrike Rider
><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2023 09:41:24 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 01 Aug 2023 18:36:57 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 1 Aug 2023 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>But according to people like Liebermann, he is white and a white supremist.
>>>>
>>>>Everyone is white. I make no distinction by color. I suggest that
>>>>you try going through life without hating anyone. I think you'll find
>>>>it easier.
>>>
>>>"White Supremist"??
>>>
>>>But I wonder... what do you call someone who is Caucasian and the best
>>>in his sport, trade, finances, etc.? Is he not a "white" Supremacist?
>>>(:-/)
>>
>>
>>According to some, a white supremist is anyone who doesn't support the
>>"woke" agenda, regardless of their race, or ethnic background.
>
> :-) Well, what do you call a group of people that obviously believe,
>and confirm by their actions, that they are "better" then the
>residents of a country that they are visiting :-)

"assholes"

[Tom Kunich]

Liebermann, you could be much better in stalking if there was a brain behind that contemptuous personality disorder - You used Google Earth to look at my house? There is something definitely wrong in your mind. Did it occur to you that the Kia might be that of my wife and the Taurus X might be parked in the garage or was that too large a lead of intelligence?

The very fact that you went to the trouble of stalking me at my yacht club and google earthed my home shows everyone exactly what you are.

I mean entirely aside from the fact that you were never make that giant leap from a Triode vacuum tube to a transistor which operates the same without the thermionic noise.

There must be something else you can pretend to know about that you so obviously don't.

[AMuzi]

+1

The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as "I
have no logical argument."

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 08:14:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Liebermann, you could be much better in stalking if there was a brain behind that contemptuous personality disorder -

Stalking? Or simply replying to your name calling, insults,
misinformation, and bad guesses? I think that's called a
"discussion".

>You used Google Earth to look at my house?

Yes. That's what I wrote this time, and several times in the past.
It's odd that you didn't mention it on the previous occasions. Please
note that I did not provide an address or link to your house.

>There is something definitely wrong in your mind. Did it occur to
>you that the Kia might be that of my wife and the Taurus X might
>be parked in the garage or was that too large a lead of intelligence?

Yes, that did occur to me. However, you also mentioned that you have
a substantial number of bicycles in your garage.
<https://www.facebook.com/thomas.kunich.1/photos>
I don't think there's room for both the bicycles, a Taurus X, a
workbench you previously mentioned, and about 11 bicycles.

When I mentioned the Kia Soul previously, you didn't mention anything
about it being your wife's car. If it had appeared in only one street
view, I would have assumed it was a visitor. So, I just assumed it
was your car. So, is the Kia your wife's car?

>The very fact that you went to the trouble of stalking me at
>my yacht club and google earthed my home shows everyone exactly
>what you are.

One email to the club secretary to confirm your life membership is not
stalking. Do you still claim that this membership card is real?
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/vskIUAUTl5A/m/oXWapnUaBwAJ>

>I mean entirely aside from the fact that you were never make
>that giant leap from a Triode vacuum tube to a transistor which
>operates the same without the thermionic noise.

Nice change of topic. Save it for another day when I have time to
explain the even solid state devices have a noise figure.

>There must be something else you can pretend to know about
>that you so obviously don't.

Now that you mention it, thanks for informing twice that your comments
were "facts".

[Tom Kunich]

Liebermann - stalking is just that. That you called my yacht club and now have stooped so low as to claim I don't have the car I claim to own because you can't see it in my driveway using Google Earth shows that there is something seriously twisted in your mind. You couldn't be an engineer because you were incompetent. So you claimed that I wasn't an engineer. Why don't you next call my investment counsellor to "prove" I don't have the amount of money I claim to have?

Thomas H Kunich Fremont, CA Thomas is an associate degree holder. Current employment is stated as Executive, Administrative, and Managerial Occupations. Thomas’s residency is at 5404 Brophy Driv, Fremont, CA 94536-7211.

This is where I lived when Jobst Brandt announced that I lived with my mother at her address. Surely you can do a better job of being your normal prick than he did.

Perhaps you can start seeing a psychologist though you don't have a lot of time left.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as "I have no
> logical argument."

Not necessarily. Racists do exist.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

So? There is a reason that you live in the whitest area of your state. Is that supposed to harm someone else?

[AMuzi]

On 8/2/2023 4:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as
>> "I have no logical argument."
>
> Not necessarily. Racists do exist.
>

OK, screwy Louie Farrakhan excepted.

[John B.]

:-) And "Americans" who I see visiting here are very "racially"
conscious. a real them and us attitude. :-}

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 6:50:02 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 8/2/2023 4:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as
> >> "I have no logical argument."
> >
> > Not necessarily. Racists do exist.
> >
> OK, screwy Louie Farrakhan excepted.

Oh, there are plenty of others!

- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed, but not nearly as many as the race baiters claim.

[Tom Kunich]

Unless some racist is making public policies who the hell cares what their beliefs are - they have a Constitutional right to believe anything they like. Unless it absolutely effects the public it is their right.

This pretense that people don't have a right to their own beliefs is getting pretty sickening. Frank taught in a subject with hardly any minorities, he lives in the whitest area of Ohio. He lives there as a matter of choice. Whatever that is, is entirely his business unless he starts called others "racist".

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 6:50:02 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:

> On 8/2/2023 4:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as
> >> "I have no logical argument."
> >
> > Not necessarily. Racists do exist.
> >
> OK, screwy Louie Farrakhan excepted.
> --

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/sIX3j4H1FO8/m/Zo52efrBAQAJ

[Tom Kunich]

We always get your message Flunky, you're perfect and everyone else is trash.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

You're partially correct.

No, I'm not perfect, far from it.
You, in fact, are trash.

[Tom Kunich]

Says the pencil neck afraid that someone might identify him and send his postings to his manager.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Yeah, you _would_ do that, trash.

[Tom Kunich]

So you admit that what you're posting would be disapproved of by your managers? We know that it is all during your work hours. In fact, you certainly can't have any work that you're doing since you answer postings within seconds.

[Tom Kunich]

And by the way - no I wouldn't do that. But obviously it is something you worry about. For my part I just figure that companies get what they deserve.

[Frank Krygowski]

That's particularly slimy, Tom.

I got the same threat decades ago - "I'm going to tell your dean that
you're posting during school hours." It was particularly laughable
because I was often teaching classes until 8 PM, and working at home as
late as 1 or 2 AM.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:30:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:21:23?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:01:20?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:36:05?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 6:50:02?PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > On 8/2/2023 4:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > > > On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as
>> > > > >> "I have no logical argument."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Not necessarily. Racists do exist.
>> > > > >
>> > > > OK, screwy Louie Farrakhan excepted.
>> > > > --
>> > > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/sIX3j4H1FO8/m/Zo52efrBAQAJ
>> > We always get your message Flunky, you're perfect and everyone else is trash.
>> You're partially correct.
>>
>> No, I'm not perfect, far from it.
>> You, in fact, are trash.
>
>Says the pencil neck afraid that someone might identify him and send his postings to his manager.

But Tommy... if his manager reads a few of your posts he is going to
agree with the "funky fellow". Maybe even give him a raise :-)

After all a "lying piece of shit" certainly can be classified as
"trash".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 4:39:51 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:40:51 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:30:44 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:01:20 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:36:05 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 6:50:02 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > > On 8/2/2023 4:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 8/2/2023 11:46 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> The current expression, "You are a racist" translates as
> > > > > > > >> "I have no logical argument."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not necessarily. Racists do exist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, screwy Louie Farrakhan excepted.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/sIX3j4H1FO8/m/Zo52efrBAQAJ
> > > > > We always get your message Flunky, you're perfect and everyone else is trash.
> > > > You're partially correct.
> > > >
> > > > No, I'm not perfect, far from it.
> > > > You, in fact, are trash.
> > > Says the pencil neck afraid that someone might identify him and send his postings to his manager.
> > Yeah, you _would_ do that, trash.
> So you admit that what you're posting would be disapproved of by your managers?

No, in fact if you were to try to contact my company it would go through the general sales channels, co-workers/friends that would ignore it as a crank. If you were able to find direct contact info it would be screened by the management admin (another friend) it would again be ignored as a crank. If, somehow, it did manage to rise to the level of my manager (the CEO), given the fact that she set-up a PC and monitor connected to our guest network in my office specifically so I could have bike racing on during the day, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't give a rats ass about my sending a few messages out in a public forum where I specifically ensure my company's name isn't made relevant.

> We know that it is all during your work hours.

We all know that's wrong.

> In fact, you certainly can't have any work that you're doing since you answer postings within seconds.

We all know that's wrong too, unless you want to count >360 seconds as "within seconds".
(Within seconds is floriduh dumbass's unhealthy obsession with frank)

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Only because you wouldn't be able to figure out how.

> But obviously it is something you worry about.

Nope, If I was worried about anything more than "why are you engaging with that idiot?" I wouldn't be doing it.

> For my part I just figure that companies get what they deserve.

which is likely the real reason you couldn't hold a job for more than a year.

[Tom Kunich]

Seems like you and Flunky are afraid of the same thing. That isn't anything I would do but the very fact you reacted the way you did was enough to show your motivation.

[Tom Kunich]

Actually I held a job at one firm for more than 20 years. It simply continued to change hands because we made products that people wanted and needed. But you're welcome to believe anything you like. I'm the one worth almost 2 million now and you're the one worried about inflation.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Bullshit.

> It simply continued to change hands because we made products that people wanted and needed.

That makes no sense whatsoever. That isn't how business works.

> But you're welcome to believe anything you like. I'm the one worth almost 2 million now

More bullshit.

>and you're the one worried about inflation.

You consistently rant about inflation and how expensive everything is. I never have.

[Tom Kunich]

You are welcome to not believe how much money I have. I could care less.

You haven't even a passing clue how "business works". Unless you really work in Sales.

Yes, I continue to complain to talk about inflation because it hurts the little person - the people you don't give one damn about because you're a Democrat.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

No one here believes your constant bragging about how rich you are.

> You haven't even a passing clue how "business works". Unless you really work in Sales.

Which means you don't have a clue about how business works since you never worked in sales.

> Yes, I continue to complain to talk about inflation because it hurts the little person - the people you don't give one damn about because you're a Democrat.

Suuuuure....democrats only care about the rich and elite....https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/us/politics/democrats-biden-social-safety-net.html

And Barack Obama cause the great recession.....

[Tom Kunich]

So you're actually afraid of the Big Bad Wolf and have to deny him his due? Tell us another joke. From your comments I can only imagine that you're being pair $1 above minimum wage.

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:07:27 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:49:58?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 3:20:54?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:40:44?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 4:41:08?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 9:40:51?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 10:30:44?AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 6:21:23?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:01:20?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:36:05?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

But Tommy, one of the most common causes of inflation is raising the
salary of all those 'little persons".

And, if you don't believe me ask Mr. Muzi what would happen to his
retail prices if he, tomorrow morning at 08:00, had to raise the
salaries of all of his employees.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Well, now at the very sound of the gong: my financial report for July came in and my investments alone are worth 1.08 and another $5,-000 in my cash account not to mention the 20 grand in the bank account. Though you'll be happy that my home value has dropped to only $800,000. This being the hell hole it is I will just be forced to live here in the lap pf luxury until death do us part. Now what are you worth? We know that Liebermann is on welfare and Krygowski is happy as a clam with a 30 year old touring bike. It must be wonderful to be a retired college teacher that the college denies even teaching what he claims to have taught.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Actually I held a job at one firm for more than 20 years. It simply continued to change hands because we made products that people wanted and needed.

Baloney.
From what beginning year to what ending year did you work 20 years?
Does your "firm" have a name?

Where are you going to fit this amazing career in among your multitude
of other jobs? There's no room:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

I can't believe that you would expect anyone to believe that a company
tolerated you for 20 years.


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[John B.]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 19:40:16 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually I held a job at one firm for more than 20 years. It simply continued to change hands because we made products that people wanted and needed.
>
>Baloney.
>From what beginning year to what ending year did you work 20 years?
>Does your "firm" have a name?
>
>Where are you going to fit this amazing career in among your multitude
>of other jobs? There's no room:
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>
>I can't believe that you would expect anyone to believe that a company
>tolerated you for 20 years.

But maybe five minutes?
Or three anyway?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Liebermann's jealousy over the success of those not as "well educated" as he is runs out the bottom cuff of his pants. It hurts him so badly to be shown to be the fool he is that he can only deny it. Dry your tears little boy - your welfare check is due.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 7:40:29?PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually I held a job at one firm for more than 20 years. It simply continued to change hands because we made products that people wanted and needed.
>> Baloney.
>> From what beginning year to what ending year did you work 20 years?
>> Does your "firm" have a name?
>>
>> Where are you going to fit this amazing career in among your multitude
>> of other jobs? There's no room:
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
>>
>> I can't believe that you would expect anyone to believe that a company
>> tolerated you for 20 years.

>Liebermann's jealousy over the success of those not as "well educated" as he is runs out the bottom cuff of his pants. It hurts him so badly to be shown to be the fool he is that he can only deny it. Dry your tears little boy - your welfare check is due.

Tom. I might be insanely jealous of your mythical achievements, or I
might be laughing sufficiently hard to induce crying, but neither
extreme, or anything in between, will change the fact that you didn't
work for a company for 20 years and that you are a rather bad liar.

You seem to be escalating the absurdity of your lies. That's a method
used by liars to cover a small lie, with a bigger lie. I'm not really
sure in your case because almost everything you write is a lie which
makes establishing a baseline rather difficult. If that's not what
you're doing, then my next best guess(tm) is that you are testing your
readers for how big a lie they will tolerate. The bigger the lie and
more frequent the lies, the more readers will tend to disappear.
Perhaps you're expecting me to disappear if you inflate your lies?
Dunno.

[Tom Kunich]

The difference is that I actually did what I said and you've been a failure in even your own eyes. I couldn't really care less what you think since you're on welfare and I am now worth about two million dollar even though I spent a million on medical care for my mother and lost another large chunk paying for my mothers later years in a rest home and having a divorce. That divorce is now reversed and my wife is again living with me and I am still rich and you're still on welfare.

So tell me I don't know what I did when I have the actual pay receipts from Embarcadero System showing I was making $233,000 a year while you were changing ink jet printer cartridges. You're a coulda been while I am a was that still gets offers every day if I was willing to move out of California for a job.

You made a living and there was nothing to be ashamed of from that. But you seem to have a mental need to be more than what you were capable of being. Stop acting like you know about things you don't know anything about. You don't ride bikes unless forced to. You weren't even capable of putting handlebar tape on your POS and put sit-up bars on it. You don't know the slightest thing about designing with or programming u-processors. Your degree turned out to be entirely worthless and I suspect that you pulled your bullshit on the few people that were willing to give you a chance and blew your wad with them!

And here you are at the end of your life and you STILL haven't learned a thing from your own failures. Don't you think that it's time to grow up?

[John B.]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 13:56:23 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes Siree Bob... Good old Tommy, lives in a cheap house in a (self
reported) slum "with guns banging all night", whines about the cost of
groceries, drives a second hand Ford, and fiddles around with old,
used bicycle.

Of course he's a millionaire.....
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 09:31:49 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

But what can he do? After all Tom has been telling these lies for
nearly 20 years. You can hardly expect him to confess that "Oh Yes!
I've been lying all those years!"

Granted the lies do seem to be growing but after all you have economic
inflation back there so Tom is only "keeping up with the Johnses", as
it were, with his new, inflated lies (:-?)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

If I was afraid of some threat, I wouldn't be denying what ever it is it's 'due', you idiot. If I was denying something demanded by a threat, that would clearly show I _wasn't_ afraid of it.

0 points for attempting to make a clever analogy via metaphors.

> Tell us another joke.
Sure - Tom Kunich is a talented engineer
<cacophonous guffaws from the audience>

> From your comments I can only imagine that you're being pair $1 above minimum wage.

Jutelist#2. Repeatedly accusing people of being on welfare. He worries that he'll end up on welfare.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:56:26 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> So tell me I don't know what I did when I have the actual pay receipts from Embarcadero System showing I was making $233,000 a year

Post a picture of the pay stub. Feel free to redact any personal information you wish.

Also list when you worked for Embarcadero Technologies (_not_ systems, there is/was no such company), since they were incorporated in 1993 and aren't listed on your resume.

> And here you are at the end of your life and you STILL haven't learned a thing from your own failures. Don't you think that it's time to grow up?

The irony of kunich telling some one else to grow up.....

[Tom Kunich]

I am not accusing Liebermann. Ask him for yourself. He was barely getting by when he could work. Because of his illness he has to be flat broke. That is what welfare is for. It isn't a curse.

[Tom Kunich]

I wonder if there's any means of pounding the slightest intelligence into Flunky's head? We're back to the point that he is not an adult and has never been one.

https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/4938944Z:US#xj4y7vzkg

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

I stand corrected, there was in fact a Embarcadero Systems, now owned by Ports America.

Now care to answer the question?
- Post a picture of the pay stub indicating a $200K+ salary. Feel free to redact any personal information you wish.
- list when you worked for Embarcadero systems, since they were incorporated in 1996 and aren't listed on your resume.
- List what you did for them. They offer software and security management systems for the transportation industry. How is it that you managed to have a 40 year R&D career in medical electronics but somehow managed a $233,000 in shipping terminal management and security systems? Was this like this mythical Senior Management Consultant job you all of a sudden claimed to have?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 08:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am not accusing Liebermann. Ask him for yourself. He was
>barely getting by when he could work. Because of his illness
>he has to be flat broke. That is what welfare is for. It
>isn't a curse.

I'm not on "welfare". I'm on Medicare and SSI (Supplemental Security
Income). I have adequate savings in the bank and a few minor
investments. If desperate, I could easily do a reverse mortgage for
the inflated value of my house. As of 2008, my FICO scores were 924
and 930 out of 990. I should probably update the numbers, but since I
don't plan to borrow money, there's no need.

Various illnesses, hospital visits and surgeries over about the last
22 years have substantially depleted my savings. I had to refinance
my house and sell my rental to pay the hospital bills. I'm one of the
few patients who paid cash to the local hospital. Interestingly, the
hospital gave me a 50% discount if I paid cash within 30 days.

I also take advantage of utility discount programs. Specifically PG&E
CARE and Xfinity Internet Essentials:
<https://www.pge.com/CARE/>
<https://www.connectcalifornia.com/internet-service/low-income-programs>
I'm about to discontinue Xfinity's ACP program and switch to a more
expensive plan because ACP's speed limitations are becoming a problem.
Of course, your $2 million "worth" will make you inelligible for these
discounts.

You seem to have an old view of what constitutes welfare, which has
changed greatly over the years. To be honest, I also didn't know. So,
I used Google to find a proper description:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=welfare+california>
Until now, I've never heard of CalWORKs, much less used their
services:
<https://www.cdss.ca.gov/inforesources/calworks>

Since you obviously have some form of reading comprehension
disability, I suggest that you verify your assertions before posting
them. Otherwise, one might suspect that you are intentionally lying.

[Tom Kunich]

Why don't you post a picture of your pay stubs?

[Tom Kunich]

Jeff, SSI is essentially welfare. Stop playing games. I said that being on welfare isn't cr8iminal - it is there for a purpose.

[Frank Krygowski]

Tom, it was _you_, not Funky, who bragged about having such impressive
pay stubs.

Just think of the glory if you actually proved something you've bragged
about! It would go down in r.b.tech history!

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[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Because I haven't bragged about making 250K/year and claimed to have a pay stub to prove it. IOW - put up or shut the fuck up.
Can't produce this mythical paystub? how about list when you worked for Embarcadero systems, and what you did for them. They offer software and security management systems for the transportation industry. How is it that you managed to _allegedly_ have a 40 year R&D career in medical electronics but somehow managed a $233,000/year position in shipping terminal management and security systems? Was this like this mythical Senior Management Consultant job you all of a sudden claimed to have?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 07:39:25 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeff, SSI is essentially welfare.

That's generally the consensus. However, I distinguish it from
welfare by the minor detail that I contributed to SSI through payroll
deductions for as long as I've been working.

>Stop playing games.

Hmmm... You ask leading questions, sometimes providing your preferred
answer, but when I answer your questions, you complain.

>I said that being on welfare isn't cr8iminal - it is there for a purpose.

I think I'm supposed to be embarrassed for being on SSI etc. I'm 75
years old and you're about 79. Are you collecting SSI payments?
Medicare? After all, these are for helping the permanently disabled:

01/06/2023
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/K-cG5lehtd0/m/X3FtbYbXAAAJ>
"I am permanently disabled and so is the cop who managed to get me
back from the last step from death."

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:42:57 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Because I haven't bragged about making 250K/year and claimed to have a pay stub to prove it. IOW - put up or shut the fuck up.

>Can't produce this mythical paystub? how about list when you worked for Embarcadero systems, and what you did for them. They offer software and security management systems for the transportation industry. How is it that you managed to _allegedly_ have a 40 year R&D career in medical electronics but somehow managed a $233,000/year position in shipping terminal management and security systems? Was this like this mythical Senior Management Consultant job you all of a sudden claimed to have?

Thanks to Tom originally using the wrong name for the company, there's
quite a bit of confusion by everyone over the name of his alleged
employer. This might help:

There was once an Embarcadero Systems in Alameda CA, which is fairly
close to where Tom lives:
<https://www.dnb.com/business-directory/company-profiles.embarcadero_systems_corporation.7783994e154e96ec1b04c9a46ca468cb.html>
I don't have a D&B account needed to get the details.
<https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/4938944Z:US>
It is possible that it was the Port of Alameda office of the following
company with the same name:

There is also Embarcadero Systems Corporation (ESC), which is the
largest shipping terminal operator in the USA:
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/embarc/about/>
<https://www.portsamerica.com>

There is also Embarcadero Technologies in Austin, Texas which would
probably be a long commute for Tom. They inherited Borland's software
development tools:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embarcadero_Technologies>
Note that they seem to have changed their name to just Embarcadero:
<https://www.embarcadero.com>

Please note that none of these three company's appear on Tom's online
resume.

[John B.]

On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 08:42:57 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 10:37:13?AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:22:53?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:52:05?AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 6:22:20?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

>> > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 4:56:26?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So tell me I don't know what I did when I have the actual pay receipts from Embarcadero System showing I was making $233,000 a year
>> > > > Post a picture of the pay stub. Feel free to redact any personal information you wish.
>> > > >
>> > > > Also list when you worked for Embarcadero Technologies (_not_ systems, there is/was no such company), since they were incorporated in 1993 and aren't listed on your resume.
>> > > > > And here you are at the end of your life and you STILL haven't learned a thing from your own failures. Don't you think that it's time to grow up?
>> > > > The irony of kunich telling some one else to grow up.....
>> > > I wonder if there's any means of pounding the slightest intelligence into Flunky's head? We're back to the point that he is not an adult and has never been one.
>> > >
>> > > https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/4938944Z:US#xj4y7vzkg
>> > I stand corrected, there was in fact a Embarcadero Systems, now owned by Ports America.
>> >
>> > Now care to answer the question?
>> > - Post a picture of the pay stub indicating a $200K+ salary. Feel free to redact any personal information you wish.
>> > - list when you worked for Embarcadero systems, since they were incorporated in 1996 and aren't listed on your resume.
>> > - List what you did for them. They offer software and security management systems for the transportation industry. How is it that you managed to have a 40 year R&D career in medical electronics but somehow managed a $233,000 in shipping terminal management and security systems? Was this like this mythical Senior Management Consultant job you all of a sudden claimed to have?
>> Why don't you post a picture of your pay stubs?
>
> Because I haven't bragged about making 250K/year and claimed to have a pay stub to prove it. IOW - put up or shut the fuck up.
>Can't produce this mythical paystub? how about list when you worked for Embarcadero systems, and what you did for them. They offer software and security management systems for the transportation industry. How is it that you managed to _allegedly_ have a 40 year R&D career in medical electronics but somehow managed a $233,000/year position in shipping terminal management and security systems? Was this like this mythical Senior Management Consultant job you all of a sudden claimed to have?

Out of curiosity, do people in America and making $250,000 a year
($20,833/month) actually get "pay stubs"? The company I worked for in
Indonesia paid people at that level.... and those considerably below
it too (:-), by direct deposit to your bank account. No "pay stub" at
all, other then your monthly bank statement.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

In my early career we received a statement showing the deposit activity, these days even that is electronic, I just get text notifications from my banks. He did use the word 'receipt', so if such a mythical payment existed at all it would likely have been in that 'statement' form.