Broken rim eyelets
Peter Howard
Hubs are Shimano 105, spokes are corroded carbon steel, rims are Wolber
Gentleman GTA and said wheels run dead true in jig. But the front wheel has half
a dozen detached eyelets which slide freely up and down the spokes. There are,
however, no visible cracks around any of the spoke holes. These are single
eyelets. I unlaced several affected spokes and there are no eyelet remnants
whatever visible inside. Looks like the crimped over inside bits were never very
substantial and have just worn away.
Are these rims toast? Or can I unlace them, attempt to remove all eyelets and
install spoke washers under new nipples when relacing with new stainless spokes?
I've heard a lot about spoke washers but never actually used them so this might
be my big chance.
These are nice looking silver rims which I hear were quite well regarded back in
the day and it would be interesting to have a safe and usable wheel set with a
degree of retro charm for the price of 72 plain gauge spokes.
Another wheelset in the junk collection were brown anodised (?)Mavic MA40 rims
on Miche hubs with a Campy cassette. Maybe I could salvage the rims cuz I don't
do Campy drivetrains.
A third set was Campagnolo Omega rims on Shimano 105 hubs, and after a probably
unnecessary cone and ball replacement these are running beautifully on a flat
bar roadster I pieced together from more junk.
PH
landotter
wrote:
> I have a pair of 700c wheels I acquired in a job lot of bicycle related junk.
> Hubs are Shimano 105, spokes are corroded carbon steel, rims are Wolber
> Gentleman GTA and said wheels run dead true in jig. But the front wheel has half
> a dozen detached eyelets which slide freely up and down the spokes. There are,
> however, no visible cracks around any of the spoke holes. These are single
> eyelets. I unlaced several affected spokes and there are no eyelet remnants
> whatever visible inside. Looks like the crimped over inside bits were never very
> substantial and have just worn away.
> Are these rims toast? Or can I unlace them, attempt to remove all eyelets and
> install spoke washers under new nipples when relacing with new stainless spokes?
> I've heard a lot about spoke washers but never actually used them so this might
> be my big chance.
> These are nice looking silver rims which I hear were quite well regarded back in
> the day and it would be interesting to have a safe and usable wheel set with a
> degree of retro charm for the price of 72 plain gauge spokes.
Spoke washers would probably work fine, but how much is your time
worth? VO sells a plain polished box section eyeletted rim for $50/
each if you want retro looks without the fuss.
>
> Another wheelset in the junk collection were brown anodised (?)Mavic MA40 rims
> on Miche hubs with a Campy cassette. Maybe I could salvage the rims cuz I don't
> do Campy drivetrains.
Put them on a friction shift ultralight beater.
Chalo
>
> I have a pair of 700c wheels I acquired in a job lot of bicycle related junk.
> Hubs are Shimano 105, spokes are corroded carbon steel, rims are Wolber
> Gentleman GTA and said wheels run dead true in jig. But the front wheel has half
> a dozen detached eyelets which slide freely up and down the spokes.
> Are these rims toast? Or can I unlace them, attempt to remove all eyelets and
> install spoke washers under new nipples when relacing with new stainless spokes?
I have recovered wheels by replacing only the nipples from the
affected spokes and adding a close-fitting washer between nipple and
rim. One such wheel, about twelve years old now, is currently mounted
on one of my most frequent daily riders. It has a polished Sun CR18
with 48 holes and one failed eyelet.
Since your Wolber rim has several broken eyelets, expect to have
several more sooner or later unless you do as you suggest and remove
the remainder of them.
Chalo
Tom Kunich
news:deca8c3b-0dea-4718...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
> Spoke washers would probably work fine, but how much is your time
> worth? VO sells a plain polished box section eyeletted rim for $50/
> each if you want retro looks without the fuss.
For those who don't understand what Landotter is talking about:
http://velo-orange.com/index.html
And I am impressed. Thanks for that information I've been looking for a good
replacement source for awhile now.
I'm changing all of my wheels back from low spoke count to 32's or 36's.
After getting my foot into the front wheel and ending up in the hospital
from a failed clipless pedal I'd rather have a safer wheel than another trip
in an ambulance.
thirty-six
> I have a pair of 700c wheels I acquired in a job lot of bicycle related junk.
> Hubs are Shimano 105, spokes are corroded carbon steel, rims are Wolber
> Gentleman GTA and said wheels run dead true in jig. But the front wheel has half
> a dozen detached eyelets which slide freely up and down the spokes. There are,
> however, no visible cracks around any of the spoke holes. These are single
> eyelets. I unlaced several affected spokes and there are no eyelet remnants
> whatever visible inside. Looks like the crimped over inside bits were never very
> substantial and have just worn away.
> Are these rims toast? Or can I unlace them, attempt to remove all eyelets and
> install spoke washers under new nipples when relacing with new stainless spokes?
> I've heard a lot about spoke washers but never actually used them so this might
> be my big chance.
> These are nice looking silver rims which I hear were quite well regarded back in
> the day and it would be interesting to have a safe and usable wheel set with a
> degree of retro charm for the price of 72 plain gauge spokes.
>
Just put the nipples back with a drop of linseed if you have it and
snip off the remaining loose eyelets that are rattling around if it
bothers you. The wheel will highly likely be fine with the build it
has. The corroded spokes will continue to work fine. Use a fine wire
brush and then steel wool to polish them, if there is little or no
pitting they will come up bright. When you have a satisfactory
finish, and you can finish with 0000 grade steel wool followed by
metal polish and burnishing cream you can spray the spokes with hair
laquer. The work you put into brightening the spokes will be
handsomely rewarded. I think your wheels will turn out fine.
> Another wheelset in the junk collection were brown anodised (?)Mavic MA40 rims
> on Miche hubs with a Campy cassette. Maybe I could salvage the rims cuz I don't
> do Campy drivetrains.
I thought it is possible to get a shimano type carrier to fit a campag
hub. Another option is to swap the wheels with someone who wants them
as they are. Check out the rim joint to see if it has been parting,
I've seen a few of these with loose joints. The tell tale sign is a
bulge in the metal tape which crosses the joint. You can quickly run
your fingernail across the tape to determine whether the wheel build
has been adequate.
landotter
> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:deca8c3b-0dea-4718...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Spoke washers would probably work fine, but how much is your time
> > worth? VO sells a plain polished box section eyeletted rim for $50/
> > each if you want retro looks without the fuss.
>
> For those who don't understand what Landotter is talking about:
>
> http://velo-orange.com/index.html
>
> And I am impressed. Thanks for that information I've been looking for a good
> replacement source for awhile now.
http://velo-orange.com/vopari.html
CR-18 is even cheaper if you don't mind the shoulders. ;-)
thirty-six
> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
What exactly failed?
Peter Howard
"Chalo" <chalo....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks to you, Chalo, and to others who had input to this query. I'm happy to
hear that people do use spoke washers to salvage failed eyelets and there are no
particular safety or durability issues. I feared it was a dumb question but
apparently not.
Rims aren't so cheap here in Australia and Fedex costs are a bit high if
importing them. You would think our own Velocity rims would be cheap but local
retail is about double the price asked on US online sales sites. However, I have
good results with Velocity when I can find the $220 a pair for them. Having a go
at reusing my junky rims will at least give me some more building practice which
will be worth the cost of the spokes. Original spokes are thoroughly pitted and
untrustworthy in appearance.
Regards to all
PH
thirty-six
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Let us see.
jay
wrote:
> "Chalo" <chalo.col...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I recently tried to use Sapim spoke washers (sm. size) on a Velocity
Dyad rim &
was unable to fit them through the spoke access holes. I suppose I it
would have
possible to drill out the access holes, but I decided against it. Your
rim may have
large enough access holes to allow the placement of spoke washers.
Another thought sprung to mind: the question of, would the loose spoke
washers
make noise like a loose ferrule does?
thirty-six
> I recently tried to use Sapim spoke washers (sm. size) on a Velocity
> Dyad rim &
> was unable to fit them through the spoke access holes. I suppose I it
> would have
> possible to drill out the access holes, but I decided against it. Your
> rim may have
> large enough access holes to allow the placement of spoke washers.
You mean a double wall rim. The answer would be to file two opposing
flats upon the washers. Or open up one hole and feed the washers
around using a fine wire. Pick up the washers with the nipple on a
holder or spare spoke.
>
> Another thought sprung to mind: the question of, would the loose spoke
> washers
> make noise like a loose ferrule does?
What loose spoke washers?