Why don't many pros use Spinergy road wheels?
redmist
Sure they look cool especially on my litespeed but I hear:
They are heavier than a good set of Mavics
Take more effort to get spinning
Take less effort to keep spinning
More prone to side winds
Remain true
look cool on my litespeed , oops said that already.
Please tip the balance and convince me they are better. $ is not a
consideration, only performance.
thx
John Forrest Tomlinson
If $ are not a consideration, get whatever's most expensive.
Of better yet, get both and see what's best yourself.
JT
Propeloton
They are soft, they aren't reliable, they aren't true when new, the
bearings are junk, the front axle is loose when new, they are
heavy......they are junk.
Mavic Cosmic(Pro or Carbon). Campag Shamal or Vento are the way to go
or Zipp 340 laced with 28 DT rev spokes-
Peter
Wayne Boyer
I don't own a pair, but I rode with someone last summer who did. He was a a big
guy and thought that he would try them after having problems with conventional
spoke wheels. They held up for him, but man where they noisy. I would be
embarrassed to have them on my bike, they clacked so much.
Wayne : )
redmist <red...@mjet.com> wrote in article <E7KvG...@nonexistent.com>...
> Sure they look cool especially on my litespeed but I hear:
> They are heavier than a good set of Mavics
> Take more effort to get spinning
> Take less effort to keep spinning
> More prone to side winds
> Remain true
> look cool on my litespeed , oops said that already.
>
> Please tip the balance and convince me they are better. $ is not a
> consideration, only performance.
>
> thx
>
BC Holicky
or Mavic Heliums. (drool)
BC Holicky
Ian Penner
Propeloton (prope...@aol.com) wrote:
: They are soft, they aren't reliable, they aren't true when new, the
: bearings are junk, the front axle is loose when new, they are
: heavy......they are junk.
: Mavic Cosmic(Pro or Carbon). Campag Shamal or Vento are the way to go
: or Zipp 340 laced with 28 DT rev spokes-
: Peter
No offense, but horsepuckey! All the U.S.-sponsored teams do use the wheels
offered (Tyler Hamilton, Eddy G. and so on), Outschakov, Tonkov, and the other
Panaria guys do, and they are used by MANY even w/o sponsorship for 'cross b/c
of their extreme durability.
Cosmics are way heavier.
Campys are nice but overpriced.
Zipps have a carbon braking surface which works poorly.
-Ian
(Guess where my preferences are)
cog...@aol.com
A good buddy of mine and Spinergy rider likes them but absolutely will not
ride them if it is windy. He says he literally has to slow down on a gusty day
or in a cross wind ..... much more so than he does with his Ultegra
32-spoke conventional wheels.
He hasn't had any failures but another rider I know had
his front Spinergy wheel collapse while climbing.... e.g., like a pretzel.
My vote is for Cosmics or the maybe the new Mavic Heliums (very light
and no "dislikes" from VeloNews)... Also heard good things about the
Cane Creek "straight pull" spoke wheels.
BTW, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and Spinergy's do nothing for me...
on your Litespeed or any other frame.
Regards,
Peter Guyton
Kristan Roberge
"redmist" <red...@mjet.com> wrote:
>
> Sure they look cool especially on my litespeed but I hear:
> They are heavier than a good set of Mavics
They're heavier than a good set of just about anything. Mavic, Sun,
Araya, whatever...
> Take more effort to get spinning
Can you say... inertia.
> Take less effort to keep spinning
Can you say... drag.
> More prone to side winds
Nothing like a flat cross-section
> Remain true
Not forever. Plenty of people have tweaked Spinnergy wheels out of
alignment and had to send them back to the factory for replacement.
Most Pro's would rather just have their Team Mechanic spend 5 minutes
on the work-stand with the wheels than wait 2 weeks for the rep to get
them back from the factory.
Dion Dock
For the same reason all pros aren't riding titanium (or carbon, or
steel, or aluminum). They either have different wheel sponsors, or
have to really believe that the wheel will give them enough advantages
that it is worth paying for out of their pockets.
-dion
Barry Libenson
In article <3337F7...@frii.com>, bc...@frii.com says...
>
>Propeloton wrote:
>>
>> They are soft,
Mine aren't
>>they aren't reliable,
Mine have been
>>they aren't true when new,
Mine were and still are
>>the bearings are junk,
They may be?
>>the front axle is loose when new,
Mine wasn't and still isn't
>>they are heavy......
Heavier, not heavy
>>they are junk.
I would disagree but certainly entitle you to your opinion (do you have
or have you ridden them?)
Regards,
Barry
Todd O. Morken
I can't comment on the road wheels, but as far as their mtnbike wheels,
they are heavy, maybe not the heaviest but heavy.
I've seen at least 1/2 the pairs sold in our local shop come back after
being tweaked out of true, one for a complete failure, and two for hub
problems. Granted I ride up in North Dakota and we have probably only sold
10pr up here, but to have at least 5 of them have problems that required
warranty work. Our local shop has quit carrying them due to problems with
customer service, IE they would not warranty their wheels for local riders.
For the average rider they are VERY expensive, initial cost isn't THAT bad
(500-700 pending on where you buy) but their replacement cost is insane we
we're quoted $225 for the rear and $200 for the front for replacement. I
tell ya most riders after trashing a $600 set of wheels are not about to
spend another $200+ to replace one, must less $425 to replace both. There
are very few wheelsets you can't have built for $425 at say Co. Cyc.
The two pair I have ridden on were noticeably flexy compared to 3x wheels,
granted I'm a 220lb rider and harder on wheels than most, but still.
I guess if you need to have composite wheels I'd go with the spins, their
not only cheaper initially but replacement is only $50. But until the
prices come down, or the quality goes up, most people will ride spoked
wheels.
I would guess most pro's don't ride them cause of their weight, and the
fact they would have to carry 4 pairs of them, instead of a truing stand.
--
Todd O. Morken Criminal Justice Major Minot State University
HK/Giant/Glock/Sure-Fire/Rockford Fostgate/HP/PSE
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Eric Lin
"redmist" <red...@mjet.com> wrote:
>Sure they look cool especially on my litespeed but I hear:
> They are heavier than a good set of Mavics
> Take more effort to get spinning
> Take less effort to keep spinning
> More prone to side winds
> Remain true
> look cool on my litespeed , oops said that already.
>
>Please tip the balance and convince me they are better. $ is not a
>consideration, only performance.
Mavics also sail in crosswinds. It depends which model though. The
Cosmics with deeper Vs will be more susceptible.
Despite all the criticisms of Spinergies, they're undeniably fast,
probably faster than Mavics (less spokes, deeper V). They're also not
that much heavier nor do they have that much more rotaional inertia.
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H-Lab
Is it true that Mario will be riding them this year with the
Saeco/Cannondale team? I know that the bike that they are advertising
as his ride is spec'ed with spinergies.
If it is true, then a lot can be said. If they are soft then I doubt if
he could tolerate it.
Does spinergy have separate production runs for the pro supply or do the
pro's mechanic get top choice from the entire stock?
Just wondering if what is seen in the pro circuit can be extrapolated to
the quality seen in the LBS.
Thanks,
Steve
s...@icbr.ifas.ufl.edu
Meades
H-Lab <jkh...@qm.server.ufl.edu> wrote in article
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> Is it true that Mario will be riding them this year with the
> Saeco/Cannondale team? I know that the bike that they are advertising
> as his ride is spec'ed with spinergies.
If you look on the cover of a recent "Cycling Weekly", he is on the cover
and is riding on Spinergy wheels. A close look reveals that they are in
fact the new '97 extra stiff wheels ( you can tell by the red stickers and
hub). Spinergy has made several improvements on this year's models that
should eliminate many of their problems. Some of the changes include movein
the bearings farther outboard on the axle, thus shortening the amount of
axle between hub and dropout. Using more material in the the reinforcement
part of the spoke and providing the X-beam reinforcements with the wheel
instead of as an additional upgrade. I am waiting until I see some and
hear from other bigger riders before I plunk down my cash.
Larry Meade
Propeloton
Weigh the 1996 Spinergys and then the Cosmics-
Talk to some of the guys you mentioned, i just built a new, non-spinergy
wheelset for one of the guys you mentioned.
We sent back for warrenty more wheels than we sold-we will sell them no
more.
Peter
Eric Lin
prope...@aol.com (Propeloton) wrote:
>Weigh the 1996 Spinergys and then the Cosmics-
Cosmic Pros, with a cross section comparable to Spinergies, are
heavier. Cosmic Experts, with only a 30mm profile, are only slightly
lighter. The new "light" version of the Spinergies will probably be a
respectable weight compared to other aero wheels.
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Roger Marquis
cog...@aol.com wrote:
>A good buddy of mine and Spinergy rider likes them but absolutely will not
>ride them if it is windy. He says he literally has to slow down on a gusty day
>or in a cross wind ..... much more so than he does with his Ultegra
>32-spoke conventional wheels.
Try using a rear Spinergy alone. I've found that a rear Spinergy,
combined with a spoked front wheel, is far less sensitive to
cross-winds, and low-maintenance as well.
Roger Marquis
Ian Penner
Propeloton wrote:
>
> Weigh the 1996 Spinergys and then the Cosmics-
> wheelset for one of the guys you mentioned.
> We sent back for warrenty more wheels than we sold-we will sell them no
> more.
> Peter
they're not appropriate for mountain stages really. Nor do I think that
the Cosmics are likely to be lighter in a weight comparison, but it's
true that I haven't weighed both. It just seems that the Spinergies have
more advantages for their weight penalty: I think they are faster and
feel more like a standard wheel, with some flex but not what I feel is
excessive. Their rep suffers from the same sort of memory that plagues
aluminum frames, both of which are often remembered for the
characteristics of their "first-generation" efforts.
But hey, different strokes...
-Ian