Bloody Hell! SF sinks into the third world...

[Andre Jute]

You know, you read Victor Davis Hanson or our own Tom Kunich who lives there, and you hear that there are homelessness and crime problems, but you pass by and the images persist of the beautiful, clean, well-ordered city of my youth, high up on my favourites list. Then you see a photo like the one topping this article and it comes like a bucket of cold water.

Except for the new, clean cars, the photograph could be of any city in South America where the leftwing dictator cannot keep his people in employment. San Francisco is another beautiful place wrecked by leftwing ideologues.

CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844
>
Andre Jute
Eyes wide open.
>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime
>https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844

Any suggestions why the photo near the top of the page show the
Hollywood sign and palm trees found in Los Angeles instead of San
Francisco? This type of minor mistake makes it a little difficult for
me to believe the TownHall "facts".



--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

California has reached the point of insanity in its left wing politics. Starting with a homeless problem that they are trying to presently solve by housing them in those premanufactured sheds with a toilet appended but a large part of the homeless will not use them. Too structured for a Fentanyl addict. So in the F-ing RAIN they are laying on the curbs freezing to death. Ever wonder why they don't report the deaths of the homeless?

I see that there is someone else that has posted that I have in the kill file. No doubt that moronic Flunky who has to call you names because like all fairies he doesn't like manly men.

By the way - that was a picture of LA and not San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-crew-robbed-while-covering-street-crime-in-san-francisco/ar-AA18Nam0

[AMuzi]

On 3/19/2023 2:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime
>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844
>
> Any suggestions why the photo near the top of the page show the
> Hollywood sign and palm trees found in Los Angeles instead of San
> Francisco? This type of minor mistake makes it a little difficult for
> me to believe the TownHall "facts".
>
>
>

The Post covered it as well without the SoCal image:
https://nypost.com/2023/03/18/cnn-reporter-kyung-lah-covering-san-francisco-street-crime-gets-car-broken-in/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

Am I surprised that it was Lie-berman giving the world grief because he has spent a lifetime without achievement.

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 7:39:59 PM UTC, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:54:43 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > You know, you read Victor Davis Hanson or our own Tom Kunich who lives there, and you hear that there are homelessness and crime problems, but you pass by and the images persist of the beautiful, clean, well-ordered city of my youth, high up on my favourites list. Then you see a photo like the one topping this article and it comes like a bucket of cold water.
> >
> > Except for the new, clean cars, the photograph could be of any city in South America where the leftwing dictator cannot keep his people in employment. San Francisco is another beautiful place wrecked by leftwing ideologues.
> >
> > CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844
> California has reached the point of insanity in its left wing politics. Starting with a homeless problem that they are trying to presently solve by housing them in those premanufactured sheds with a toilet appended but a large part of the homeless will not use them. Too structured for a Fentanyl addict. So in the F-ing RAIN they are laying on the curbs freezing to death. Ever wonder why they don't report the deaths of the homeless?
>

I've read about the problem that many of the street people don't want to be housed. It's no unique to California, though I imagine the scale is much larger there than in Ireland.

>
> I see that there is someone else that has posted that I have in the kill file. No doubt that moronic Flunky who has to call you names because like all fairies he doesn't like manly men.
>

I certainly hope the cowardly anonymous stalker Flunky doesn't entertain any dreams about sharing a hotel room with me. I'm not in the least woke, queer or even simpatico.

>
> By the way - that was a picture of LA and not San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-crew-robbed-while-covering-street-crime-in-san-francisco/ar-AA18Nam0
>

Thanks, Tom. But LA is another of the cities that in my minds shines brightly forever -- another image now ruined. That street looks like a tornado swept through street market.
>
AJ
>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>By the way - that was a picture of LA and not San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-crew-robbed-while-covering-street-crime-in-san-francisco/ar-AA18Nam0

Correct and that is what I was commenting on. The original TownHall
link posted by Andre shows Los Angeles (actually Hollywood).
<https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844>
All of the news stories about the incident seem to show the correct
photo and location, except for TownHall. TownHall probably used the
wrong photo. As the most trusted and favorite source for off topic
news and misinformation preferred by several people in RBT, I might
expect that TownHall is incapable of making a mistake. Therefore,
if the most trusted news source in RBT made a mistake, it must have
been intentional and possibly part of a conservative conspiracy of
some manner.

[Tom Kunich]

When the iron curtain fell, all of the Russians who could moved to east LA. They are good hard working people that are cornered by career criminals and because of the laws in Russian it never occurs to them to own guns themselves. California has become a cesspool of people like Lie-berman and Scharf who have all of the answers and none of the solutions. Gavin Loathsome is their hero. The only man who can turn $100 Billion surplus into a $22 Billion deficit and be applauded by the left. The only man who could order the population of California to wear a mask and not wear one himself at important parties with the other rich people who got that way at public expense. The only man who thought it a good idea to fire public employees if they didn't get vaccinated with the excuse that you wouldn't spread the covid-19 virus that way when the vaccine did not alter the spread of the virus. And after 3 month MORE people vaccinated got covid-19 than the unvaccinated did - that means a breakdown in the immune response. Probably most got over that but a significant number have not and will go on to contract an incurable AID-like disease.

Which means that absolute fool Slocomb will say that I said that covid vaccines cause AIDS since he isn't capable of understanding written English anymore.

[Rolf Mantel]

Am 19.03.2023 um 18:54 schrieb Andre Jute:
> You know, you read Victor Davis Hanson or our own Tom Kunich who
> lives there, and you hear that there are homelessness and crime
> problems, but you pass by and the images persist of the beautiful,
> clean, well-ordered city of my youth, high up on my favourites list.
> Then you see a photo like the one topping this article and it comes
> like a bucket of cold water.

> CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime

<https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844>

> Eyes wide open.

Your eyes are so wide open that you completely failed to notice the
'Hollywood' illumination documenting that CNN managed to srtick an LA
photo to a report about San Franciso. LA has always had its bad 'hoods.

Rolf

[sms]

On 3/19/2023 3:42 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way - that was a picture of LA and not San Francisco. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-crew-robbed-while-covering-street-crime-in-san-francisco/ar-AA18Nam0
>
> Correct and that is what I was commenting on. The original TownHall
> link posted by Andre shows Los Angeles (actually Hollywood).
> <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844>
> All of the news stories about the incident seem to show the correct

Townhall couldn't even be bothered to use a stock photo of the right city!

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

[sms]

On 3/19/2023 12:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> CNN Crew Robbed While Reporting on Woke City's Rampant Crime
>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/03/19/cnn-crew-robbed-while-reporting-on-woke-citys-crime-n2620844
>
> Any suggestions why the photo near the top of the page show the
> Hollywood sign and palm trees found in Los Angeles instead of San
> Francisco? This type of minor mistake makes it a little difficult for
> me to believe the TownHall "facts".

It's also interesting to note that the top-ten cities for property crime
are all in red areas, and of the top 50, the vast majority are red.

Oakland is 27th. San Francisco doesn't even make the top 50.

See
<https://247wallst.com/special-report/2021/12/13/cities-with-most-property-crimes/>.

Pretty sure that Townhall doesn't have much interest in actually stating
crime rates for each city.

I wonder if it's the high level of Fentanyl abuse in those high-crime
cities that is the prime cause of property crime.

San Francisco gets a lot of attention because it's a big tourist
destination which leads to a lot of car break-ins of those that don't
realize that they should not leave anything of value visible in their
vehicle.

[Andre Jute]

And your eyes are shut so tight that you didn't even notice several other parties have already told me.
>
If pompous clowns like you think they're embarrassing me, you should think again. I don't care shit. I saw the image on my smallest iPhone and, being an artist, interpreted the verticals and shadows of "HOLLYWOOD" as a grand mansion from the 1920s or 1930s. That's of far greater value to me than the approval of a twit so lacking in self-consciousness that he tries to win arguments by telling people he has a PhD.
>
Andre Jute
Lateral thinking.

[Andre Jute]

You gotta admire Scharfie. He's such a specialist in blaming the victims for the crimes his backers, the fentanyl importers and distributors:

> San Francisco gets a lot of attention because it's a big tourist
> destination which leads to a lot of car break-ins of those that don't
> realize that they should not leave anything of value visible in their
> vehicle.
>

Unsigned
>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 09:59:00 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>That's of far greater value to me than the approval of a twit
>so lacking in self-consciousness that he tries to win arguments
>by telling people he has a PhD.

Who might that twit be? Not me. I've never claimed to possess a PhD
and only possess a lowly BSEE:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
I've never asked for your approval but do ask for a clarification
here. Do you consider a PhD a prerequisite for winning an argument
with you?

Perhaps it's Tom, who claims to have a "degree in ship's navigation"?
12/31/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-Hmh6pTCz7U/m/XiKHzpeCDwAJ>
"I was rather taken aback to discover that I had a degree in ship's
navigation. And from a prestigious school in Marin County as well."

[Tom Kunich]

You have to hand it to Scharf. The crime in LA is a little larger than the national average, but SF is three times the national average and he claims it's because SF is a tourist destination. That stupid jackass seems to think that LA is not a tourist destination. Maybe he missed the discussion of that Hollywood sign. Or maybe he isn't smart enough to know that Hollywood is in LA? Asses that say that if crime isn't as bad as Chicago or Detroit aren't crime ridden should just walk around SF after 10pm.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 10:03:40?AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > San Francisco gets a lot of attention because it's a big tourist
>> > destination which leads to a lot of car break-ins of those that don't
>> > realize that they should not leave anything of value visible in their
>> > vehicle.

>You have to hand it to Scharf. The crime in LA is a little larger than the national average, but SF is three times the national average and he claims it's because SF is a tourist destination. That stupid jackass seems to think that LA is not a tourist destination. Maybe he missed the discussion of that Hollywood sign. Or maybe he isn't smart enough to know that Hollywood is in LA? Asses that say that if crime isn't as bad as Chicago or Detroit aren't crime ridden should just walk around SF after 10pm.

All opinion but no numbers and no sources. I guess the reader is
expected to research Tom's opinions and provide him with corroborating
data. It doesn't work that way. I tend to distrust amazing facts
that lack backing or corroboration. So, let's see what the numbers
show:

"List of United States cities by crime rate"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>

Number City Yearly Total Crime Rate
(Rank) per 1000 population
(violent + property)
07 San Francisco 6917.40
08 Detroit 6726.82
44 Chicago 4381.65
72 Los Angeles 3332.52

It doesn't look like SF is 3 times as dangerous as LA.

I couldn't find any reliable numbers of the US national crime rate.

[sms]

On 3/20/2023 5:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> "List of United States cities by crime rate"
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>
> Number City Yearly Total Crime Rate
> (Rank) per 1000 population
> (violent + property)
> 07 San Francisco 6917.40
> 08 Detroit 6726.82
> 44 Chicago 4381.65
> 72 Los Angeles 3332.52

Remember, it's an automatic F when you use Wikipedia as a source!

Here are three actual sources that are based on actual data.

"Most Dangerous Cities in the USA"
<https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us>
San Francisco doesn't make the list.

"FBI’s Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the West"
<https://www.gov1.com/public-safety/articles/the-fbis-10-most-dangerous-cities-by-region-b8bvKm2v4rP8Zynz/>
San Francisco doesn't make the list.

"Most Dangerous Cities in California Based on FBI Violent Crime Data"
<https://www.spolinlaw.com/criminal-defense/most-dangerous-cities-in-california/>
San Francisco doesn't make the list.

[John B.]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 17:53:51 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

For 2021 raw numbers see
https://www.hsdl.org/c/fbi-releases-2021-crime-statistics/

Based on Population the "rates" would be

Overall violent crime volume 1,313,200 in 2021, or 390.53 per 100,000
population
The number of murders 22,900 in 2021. or 6.81/100,000
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 3/20/2023 8:17 PM, sms wrote:
> On 3/20/2023 5:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> "List of United States cities by crime rate"
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>
>>
>> Number City Yearly Total Crime Rate
>> (Rank) per 1000 population
>> (violent + property)
>> 07 San Francisco 6917.40
>> 08 Detroit 6726.82
>> 44 Chicago 4381.65
>> 72 Los Angeles 3332.52
>
> Remember, it's an automatic F when you use Wikipedia as a
> source!
>
> Here are three actual sources that are based on actual data.
>
> "Most Dangerous Cities in the USA"
> <https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us>
>
> San Francisco doesn't make the list.
>

> "FBI’s Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the West"

> <https://www.gov1.com/public-safety/articles/the-fbis-10-most-dangerous-cities-by-region-b8bvKm2v4rP8Zynz/>
>
> San Francisco doesn't make the list.
>
> "Most Dangerous Cities in California Based on FBI Violent
> Crime Data"
> <https://www.spolinlaw.com/criminal-defense/most-dangerous-cities-in-california/>
>
> San Francisco doesn't make the list.
>

I don't know (and don't much care) but 'all crimes' and
'violent crimes' are apples and oranges for comparative
purposes.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 18:17:58 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2023 5:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> "List of United States cities by crime rate"
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates>
>>
>> Number City Yearly Total Crime Rate
>> (Rank) per 1000 population
>> (violent + property)
>> 07 San Francisco 6917.40
>> 08 Detroit 6726.82
>> 44 Chicago 4381.65
>> 72 Los Angeles 3332.52
>
>Remember, it's an automatic F when you use Wikipedia as a source!

The Wikipedia article and your 2nd link use the FBI 2017 data. Your
other two links use the latest 2019 data.

>
>Here are three actual sources that are based on actual data.
>
>"Most Dangerous Cities in the USA"
><https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-us>
>San Francisco doesn't make the list.

Yes, but Detroit and Chicago are on the top 10 list. The article also
doesn't specify the source of its data, the date and what filters were
used (violent and/or property crimes). The article mentions both, so
presumably it tabulated all crimes.

>"FBI’s Top 10 Most Dangerous Cities in the West"
><https://www.gov1.com/public-safety/articles/the-fbis-10-most-dangerous-cities-by-region-b8bvKm2v4rP8Zynz/>
>San Francisco doesn't make the list.

Better. None of the 4 cities Tom mentioned are on the top 10 list.
Source of data was the FBI list for 2017 and updated with an
infographic from the 2019 data.

>"Most Dangerous Cities in California Based on FBI Violent Crime Data"
><https://www.spolinlaw.com/criminal-defense/most-dangerous-cities-in-california/>
>San Francisco doesn't make the list.

Also better. None of the 4 cities Tom mentioned are on the top 10
list. The article doesn't mention the source of the data, but the
title does say it is based on "FBI Violent Crime Data" which I presume
means they filtered by violent crimes only and ignored property
crimes. The 100 most dangerous cities in California is ridiculous
since it lists every large city and most medium size towns.

You get a mediocre C grade for finding 3 mediocre sources.

You might find the comments in the Wikipedia article on comparing and
ranking crime rates of some interest:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Criticism_of_ranking_crime_data>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Criticism_of_comparing_crime_rates>
"The FBI web site recommends against using its data for ranking
because these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses
that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities
and counties, along with their residents."

Ok, everyone is guilty.

[Tom Kunich]

Scharf and Lie-berman know that but they're doing their normal lying for effect. I got my numbers from the city police reports and if they want to contest them, let them.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/21/2023 10:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> I got my numbers from the city police reports and if they want to contest them, let them.

So is there a link?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[sms]

On 3/20/2023 6:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> I don't know (and don't much care) but 'all crimes' and 'violent crimes'
> are apples and oranges for comparative purposes.

That is true. When you look only at property crimes San Francisco fares
much better since the violent crime rate is pretty low. They aren't even
in the top 20, see
<https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america>.

Property crime is much more manageable by taking the proper steps. The
big crimes in this area are burglary, car break-ins, and catalytic
converter thefts.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:30:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/21/2023 10:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> I got my numbers from the city police reports and if they want to contest them, let them.
>
>So is there a link?

Tom would need to provide at least 5 links. San Francisco, Los
Angeles, Detroit, Chicago, and the national crime rate. Some cities
provide crime statistics or use an outside service. For example, San
Francisco is rather "simplified":
<https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime>
<https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/about-the-data/crime-rates>
while San Jose does it nicely:
<https://www.sjpd.org/records/crime-stats-maps/crime-statistics-annual>
I'm patient. I'll wait to see what Tom finds.

[AMuzi]

On 3/21/2023 11:08 AM, sms wrote:
> On 3/20/2023 6:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't know (and don't much care) but 'all crimes' and
>> 'violent crimes' are apples and oranges for comparative
>> purposes.
>
> That is true. When you look only at property crimes San
> Francisco fares much better since the violent crime rate is
> pretty low. They aren't even in the top 20, see
> <https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/most-violent-cities-in-america>.
>
>
> Property crime is much more manageable by taking the proper
> steps. The big crimes in this area are burglary, car
> break-ins, and catalytic converter thefts.
>
>

Burglary at least lets us smile when reading the overnight news:

https://cwbchicago.com/2023/03/im-not-a-car-thief-im-a-burglar-convicted-burglar-allegedly-tells-chicago-cops-while-driving-a-stolen-car.html

At least he will be out for more adventures. or as they say
'second chances'.

[Andre Jute]

A crim with a sense of humour? Or a craftsman with pride in his guild? --
AJ