Mavic 230 vs 231 Rims
Chris Lilley
> In article <3ilmgg...@afshub.boulder.ibm.com>,
> <mark...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> >I can get a set of wheels with Mavic 231 or 230 rims for the
> >same price, could anyone tell me what the difference is between
> >the two rims?
> Well, the 231's weigh about 420-440 grams apiece, the 230's weigh
> around 380 grams each. The 231's are some pretty damn strong rims,
> they'll take quite a bit of beating so long as you're not a huge
> person, while the 230's are definitely for lighter riders
All the magazines here in the UK seem to complain if they review a
bike with 230s on; either the wheel went out of true on test, or
they thought it was too flimsy.
> Actually, if I were you I'd see if I could get the wheels built up
> the the Mavic 217 SUP rims. They might be about $10 more per wheel,
> but they're at least as strong if not stronger than the 231's,
Grin grin happy happy. Dave Hinde is building me a set of wheels
with 217 rims, DT revolution spokes and 95LX hubs. I had toyed with
getting 230s, or Campy Atek, to save weight but decided on the
217 because I like the machined braking surface and they look well
made and adequately strong.
Bill, do you have a weight for the 217 rims?
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Robert R. Hunt
>From: Chris Lilley <chris....@mcc.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: Mavic 230 vs 231 Rims
>Date: 6 Mar 1995 12:00:12 GMT
>bll...@netcom.com (Bill Lloyd) wrote:
>--
>Chris
I weigh about 185 lbs. and have been using a pair of 230 rims for a year
now and they have held up beautifully! Further, they seem to have a much
better breaking surface than any other rim I have used. bob
MANNIX IAIN RORY CAMPBELL
FISCHER DAVID ALEXANDER <fisc...@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>Chris Lilley <chris....@mcc.ac.uk> writes:
>>> >I can get a set of wheels with Mavic 231 or 230 rims for the
>>> >same price, could anyone tell me what the difference is between
>>> >the two rims?
>
>>> Well, the 231's weigh about 420-440 grams apiece, the 230's weigh
>>> around 380 grams each. The 231's are some pretty damn strong rims,
>>> they'll take quite a bit of beating so long as you're not a huge
>>> person, while the 230's are definitely for lighter riders
>
>>All the magazines here in the UK seem to complain if they review a
>>bike with 230s on; either the wheel went out of true on test, or
>>they thought it was too flimsy.
>
>>> Actually, if I were you I'd see if I could get the wheels built up
>>> the the Mavic 217 SUP rims. They might be about $10 more per wheel,
>>> but they're at least as strong if not stronger than the 231's,
>
>
>
>Don't get the 230's unless you weigh less that 120 lbs. They're too
>flimsy. If you want a STRONG light rim, go Bontrager Red. I love mine. 2
>months, and no truing yet.
>
>dave
>
Bontrager?
I have had really bad luck with them - at least last year's models.
Maybe things have changed! Just my 2c - BTW, dave, where do you work?
Mannix
Ray Ruyack
to have an anal retentive person build my wheels, since they almost never
go out of true.
I did destroy one though, on a fast downhill at about 25 mph. when the
front wheel went into a sinkhole. Blew the fork all to hell (AMP, yes
they do have "crash" replacement) and put a serious hop and bend in the
wheel. I was amazed I was able to ride it home. They wheel was trash,
but there was no catastrophic failure as I would have thought based on the
damage to the fork.
I would stick with them.
RayR...@aol.com
FISCHER DAVID ALEXANDER
>> >I can get a set of wheels with Mavic 231 or 230 rims for the
>> >same price, could anyone tell me what the difference is between
>> >the two rims?
>> Well, the 231's weigh about 420-440 grams apiece, the 230's weigh
>> around 380 grams each. The 231's are some pretty damn strong rims,
>> they'll take quite a bit of beating so long as you're not a huge
>> person, while the 230's are definitely for lighter riders
>All the magazines here in the UK seem to complain if they review a
>bike with 230s on; either the wheel went out of true on test, or
>they thought it was too flimsy.
>> Actually, if I were you I'd see if I could get the wheels built up
>> the the Mavic 217 SUP rims. They might be about $10 more per wheel,
>> but they're at least as strong if not stronger than the 231's,
>Bill, do you have a weight for the 217 rims?
I think they're 460g.
MANNIX IAIN RORY CAMPBELL
a usable braking surface - the 231 & 230 are nice rims, but if you use a
large pad, IE Mathauser, it can be difficult to get good pad contact.
Another rim I've had great luck with is the Campagnolo Mirox. Big
braking surface, moderatley light (440g), and double eylets, stainless
steel on the outside and brass on the inside. The only drawback to these
I have noticed is a tendency for the rims to come out of true a bit more
than most after initial build - it seems that the eyelets set a bit more
than single eyelets, but after retensioning, they're bomber. I weigh 210
lbs, and I have a 28 spoke front Mirox - trued once in two years, with
alloy nipples nonetheless! My rear 32/alloy has been just as reliable,
and I also use a 32 hole Mirox, 3x drive, radial static, 15g spokes -
same thing. Awesome rims. Would'nt trade them for the world. Good
luck! You'll be happy with your 217s - they're great! Mannix
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mark...@vnet.ibm.com
Chris, if you don't mind me asking, how much is Dave Hinde charging for
your wheels?.
Mark.
Joseph Mckenzie
My bike has mavic 230 rims on front and rear and I have been very surprised
on how well they have maintained their trueness. I race on them all summer,
some in the spring and some in early fall. I have only been on them for
about 10 months now but I put them through hell including a lot of bouncing
from trials. I actually have not had to true them at all, and I work
in a bike shop, where I could true them whenever I want to. I know I have
read a lot lately about 230s folding under stress, therefore my good luck
with them may be due entirely to my full suspension. As it goes now I
wouldn't give up my 230s for any other rim out there [although those Spec.
Z-21 pro S-Works rims a realy nice!]
ST10...@brownvm.brown.edu
I've been riding with a 230 in front and a 231 in back for a year. The 231 went
out of true fairly quickly while the 230 has not. Maybe it's because
the 230 is in the front (and I feel that the rear wheel takes a much
greater load than the front), or maybe it's because of the hub, but
I've been rather disappointed with the performance of the 231's.
FYI, the 230 is built up on a Ringle Super Bubba front hub and the 231
on a Shimano XT Parallax hub. Oh, I guess I should mention that I'm a
fairly light (135-140lb) rider. The guy who built up my wheels recommended
against a 230 in the back, but said that it'd be plenty strong, even
with dbl butted spokes in front.
-mike
JROESNER
>Don't get the 230's unless you weigh less that 120 lbs. They're too
>flimsy. If you want a STRONG light rim, go Bontrager Red. I love mine. 2
>months, and no truing yet.
JM> I weigh about 155lbs and ride a full suspension Marin Team FRS with
JM> manitou 3s My bike has mavic 230 rims on front and rear and I have been
JM> very surprised on how well they have maintained their trueness. I race
JM> on them all summer, some in the spring and some in early fall. I have
JM> only been on them for about 10 months now but I put them through hell
JM> including a lot of bouncing from trials. I actually have not had to
JM> true them at all, and I work in a bike shop, where I could true them
JM> whenever I want to. I know I have read a lot lately about 230s folding
JM> under stress, therefore my good luck with them may be due entirely to
JM> my full suspension. As it goes now I wouldn't give up my 230s for any
JM> other rim out there [although those Spec. Z-21 pro S-Works rims a realy
JM> nice!]
In my area, we have found that a 230 in front and a 217 in the rear works well.
I run a 230/230 combo because I'm so light (135 pounds), so I have little fear
of bending them easily. A friend of mine was *always* truing his rear wheel and
was putting so much stress on them that the AL started cracking around the eyelets.
He said to hell with the 230 in the rear, and still runs one in front. I don't know
what he uses now in the rear, but he found something really beefy (for his Tioga
disc drive).
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Knut Olaf Knutsen
|> In article <fischeda....@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>, fisc...@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (FISCHER DAVID ALEXANDER) says:
|> >
|> >Chris Lilley <chris....@mcc.ac.uk> writes:
|> >>>
|> >>> Well, the 231's weigh about 420-440 grams apiece, the 230's weigh
|> >>> around 380 grams each. The 231's are some pretty damn strong rims,
|> >>> they'll take quite a bit of beating so long as you're not a huge
|> >>> person, while the 230's are definitely for lighter riders
|> >
|> >flimsy. If you want a STRONG light rim, go Bontrager Red. I love mine. 2
|> >months, and no truing yet.
|> >
|> >dave
|> >
|> I weigh about 155lbs and ride a full suspension Marin Team FRS with manitou 3s
|> My bike has mavic 230 rims on front and rear and I have been very surprised
|> on how well they have maintained their trueness. I race on them all summer,
|> some in the spring and some in early fall. I have only been on them for
|> about 10 months now but I put them through hell including a lot of bouncing
|> from trials. I actually have not had to true them at all, and I work
|> in a bike shop, where I could true them whenever I want to. I know I have
|> read a lot lately about 230s folding under stress, therefore my good luck
|> with them may be due entirely to my full suspension. As it goes now I
|> wouldn't give up my 230s for any other rim out there [although those Spec.
|> Z-21 pro S-Works rims a realy nice!]
I have my rearwheel built up with a 230 and DT spokes. No problem at all after
half a year of hard riding. I weigh 75 kgs (yup, metric).
The strength of a wheel depends just as much on how it is built, as on how
bombproof the rim is.
The wheelbuilder at Sykkeldelisk in Oslo did a great job, thanks!
Martin O'Toole
writes:
I've been riding 230's for about 6 months on an unsuspended steel bike.
I weigh 170#, and ride 8-10 hours a week on some really rocky, technical
trails. My wheels were trued twice in the first 2 weeks and not since.
I am more than happy with the 230's, and would recommend them. Next
time, though, I'll probably get 217's for greater rigidity/steering
precision and that big, smooth braking surface. -Matt
Anthony Salvadore Gannuch
: trails. My wheels were trued twice in the first 2 weeks and not since.
: I am more than happy with the 230's, and would recommend them. Next
: time, though, I'll probably get 217's for greater rigidity/steering
: precision and that big, smooth braking surface. -Matt
What exactly is the difference between Mavic 230/231 and the
217. Which one is better overall and if they were designed for different
purposes, what are they respectively?
Tony Gannuch
Martin O'Toole
Salvadore Gannuch) writes:
The 231s are the Mavic rims you see everywhere, probably the most common
high performance mtb rim of the last few years. They are extremely
sturdy, light, and a "known quantity" to most riders and wheel builders.
The 230 is a new, lighter version of this rim. It seems strong, but a
little flexier than the 231. It weighs about 1.5-2oz. less. The 217 is
an entirely new design. It has a taller sidewall like a Bontrager rim.
It is welded together and then the entire sidewall is machined smooth,
leaving a seamless, perfectly true braking surface. This rim weighs the
same as the 231 and IMO will replace it, as it offers easier brake
setup, better braking, and probably more strength and rigidity with its
taller box section.
-Matt
Chamberlain
The A-type cross section is a far bette shape and use of material.
I would never buy a 231 again. The 217 weighs about 310-320. It also has
a higher braking sidewall, which is machined to the aluminum. This gives
a better braking surface. Mavic will continue to offer the 230, but even
they say it is only for the front wheel or riders under 150 lbs. Also
the 217 is a SUP, which is welded at the seam ( read stronger than a pinned
rim.)
Jason
Joshua_Putnam
>The Mavic 217 will ultimately replace the 231. It is lighter and stonger.
According to Mavic's data, it has more frontal stiffness but has
about 15% LESS lateral stiffness.
>I would never buy a 231 again. The 217 weighs about 310-320.
According to Mavic, the 217 weighs 410 grams in the single-eyelet
version, and 450 grams in the double-eyelet version. This
compares to 440 grams for the single-eyelet 231.
The 117 is significantly stiffer both frontally and laterally
than either the 217 or the 231, and weighs only slightly more,
450 grams with single eyelets.
(All data from Mavic's 1995 catalog.)
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which rim but also in how the wheel is built is crucial. I weigh 165 lbs
am 6'2". I ride 230 rims with TNT hubs and ritchey logic pokes with alloy
nipples durng races I do here in the deep south. I can even run 1.9
ritchey tires if its dry and I haven't found a much lighter as reliable
setup. NOW for races in N.Carolina, Tenn. and N. Georgia I do use 217
mounted on Hugi hubs with a heavier spoke. I think the added strength is
smart epecially with the speeds you can get on some of these downhills.