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AMuzi

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Aug 8, 2023, 8:52:14 AM8/8/23
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Tom Kunich

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Aug 8, 2023, 10:03:39 AM8/8/23
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Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.

AMuzi

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Aug 8, 2023, 10:10:32 AM8/8/23
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On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.
>

I found this line telling:

"CPD supervisors have also repeatedly ordered cops not to
engage with carloads of armed robbers that are within their
sight."

But hey, pay your taxes and shut up.

Tom Kunich

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Aug 8, 2023, 10:24:28 AM8/8/23
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Here the are reducing charges on murderers and letting them out without bail.

John B.

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Aug 8, 2023, 10:57:31 PM8/8/23
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2023/08/off-duty-cop-3-bicyclists-and-a-concealed-carry-holder-are-among-the-victims-targeted-in-chicagos-latest-robbery-sprees.html
>
>
>> Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.
>>
>
>I found this line telling:
>
>"CPD supervisors have also repeatedly ordered cops not to
>engage with carloads of armed robbers that are within their
>sight."
>
>But hey, pay your taxes and shut up.

I think you are bringing up a situation that I certainly observed in
the Military and probably exists in the Police. The feeling of
belonging to a group that outsiders don't understand and don't treat
well.

Can you imagine the thought process of a Cop who sees a car with a
Black driver doing something wrong? "If I try to stop him and there is
an altercation, and there probably will be, and he gets hurt, I may
lose my job".... "What Car? I didn't see no car!"
Or in your example, "A car with a bunch of black guys... with guns"?
What car, 'dint see no car!"
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Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi

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Aug 9, 2023, 9:34:32 AM8/9/23
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On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2023/08/off-duty-cop-3-bicyclists-and-a-concealed-carry-holder-are-among-the-victims-targeted-in-chicagos-latest-robbery-sprees.html
>>
>>
>>> Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.
>>>
>>
>> I found this line telling:
>>
>> "CPD supervisors have also repeatedly ordered cops not to
>> engage with carloads of armed robbers that are within their
>> sight."
>>
>> But hey, pay your taxes and shut up.
>
> I think you are bringing up a situation that I certainly observed in
> the Military and probably exists in the Police. The feeling of
> belonging to a group that outsiders don't understand and don't treat
> well.
>
> Can you imagine the thought process of a Cop who sees a car with a
> Black driver doing something wrong? "If I try to stop him and there is
> an altercation, and there probably will be, and he gets hurt, I may
> lose my job".... "What Car? I didn't see no car!"
> Or in your example, "A car with a bunch of black guys... with guns"?
> What car, 'dint see no car!"
>

a.k.a 'Ferguson Effect'

Catrike Rider

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Aug 9, 2023, 9:58:19 AM8/9/23
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2023/08/off-duty-cop-3-bicyclists-and-a-concealed-carry-holder-are-among-the-victims-targeted-in-chicagos-latest-robbery-sprees.html
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I found this line telling:
>>>
>>> "CPD supervisors have also repeatedly ordered cops not to
>>> engage with carloads of armed robbers that are within their
>>> sight."
>>>
>>> But hey, pay your taxes and shut up.
>>
>> I think you are bringing up a situation that I certainly observed in
>> the Military and probably exists in the Police. The feeling of
>> belonging to a group that outsiders don't understand and don't treat
>> well.
>>
>> Can you imagine the thought process of a Cop who sees a car with a
>> Black driver doing something wrong? "If I try to stop him and there is
>> an altercation, and there probably will be, and he gets hurt, I may
>> lose my job".... "What Car? I didn't see no car!"
>> Or in your example, "A car with a bunch of black guys... with guns"?
>> What car, 'dint see no car!"
>>
>
>a.k.a 'Ferguson Effect'

In other words, in some places, don't bother to call the cops until
after you've shot and killed the bad guy(s).

John B.

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Aug 9, 2023, 8:10:02 PM8/9/23
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Nope, that won't work either. Not if the bad guy happens to be black
as you will have "Black Lives Matter" marching up and down in front of
your house and the News trumpeting the "news" about the poor,
improvised, chap - he was kind to his mother and loved his sisters -
that you killed.
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Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi

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Aug 9, 2023, 8:56:05 PM8/9/23
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On 8/9/2023 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 09:58:15 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Yes that's right. This guy is a repeat high-volume
shoplifter who met some Sikh clerks while stealing a few
hundred packs of cigarettes:

https://sandrarose.com/2023/08/convenience-store-owner-brutally-beat-brazen-shoplifter-with-stick-video/

The clerks are being investigated by local police because
they are not the right kind of brown skin.

John B.

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Aug 10, 2023, 1:58:31 AM8/10/23
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:55:58 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 8/9/2023 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 09:58:15 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Yes, I read that and perhaps the most significant phrase is:

------------------
The Modesto Bee‘s editorial board published an op-ed slamming the
clerks for taking matters into their own hands. The board wrote:

"Although brazen stealing is frustrating, costly and dangerous to
store employees, confronting it with violence that far exceeds
self-defense is not the answer.”
----------------

In contrast the news here had it, in the last week, or so, that a
bloke attempted to rob a Gold Shop. The owner pulled out a gun and
shot the thief. No mention of any investigation :-)


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Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Rider

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Aug 10, 2023, 4:06:13 AM8/10/23
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 07:09:56 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 09:58:15 -0400, Catrike Rider
><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
well, you see, I live in Forida.

“Because the people of Polk County like guns, they have guns, I
encourage them to own guns, and they’re going to be inside their homes
tonight with their guns loaded. And if you try to break into their
homes tonight and try to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending
they blow you back out of the house with their guns.”

-Grady Judd, Sherriff of Polk County, Florida

Roger Meriman

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Aug 10, 2023, 4:48:18 AM8/10/23
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Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> https://cwbchicago.com/2023/08/off-duty-cop-3-bicyclists-and-a-concealed-carry-holder-are-among-the-victims-targeted-in-chicagos-latest-robbery-sprees.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yet another example of the Democrat Party in action.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I found this line telling:
>>>>
>>>> "CPD supervisors have also repeatedly ordered cops not to
>>>> engage with carloads of armed robbers that are within their
>>>> sight."
>>>>
>>>> But hey, pay your taxes and shut up.
>>>
>>> I think you are bringing up a situation that I certainly observed in
>>> the Military and probably exists in the Police. The feeling of
>>> belonging to a group that outsiders don't understand and don't treat
>>> well.
>>>
>>> Can you imagine the thought process of a Cop who sees a car with a
>>> Black driver doing something wrong? "If I try to stop him and there is
>>> an altercation, and there probably will be, and he gets hurt, I may
>>> lose my job".... "What Car? I didn't see no car!"
>>> Or in your example, "A car with a bunch of black guys... with guns"?
>>> What car, 'dint see no car!"
>>>
>>
>> a.k.a 'Ferguson Effect'
>
> In other words, in some places, don't bother to call the cops until
> after you've shot and killed the bad guy(s).
>

Maybe or maybe it’s urban myths in the uk one was/is if the police are
chasing a moped and the rider takes the helmet off they will stop chasing
and so on.

It’s a load of old bollocks in fact the police will nudge the mopeds off
with the cars! But the myth remains!

Roger Merriman

Catrike Rider

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Aug 10, 2023, 5:22:06 AM8/10/23
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:48:15 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Catrike Rider <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
Here in Florida, we don't put up with crime. Our governor just
suspended a State Attorney for being too lenient with criminals.

https://www.tampafp.com/florida-gov-ron-desantis-suspends-9th-circuit-orlando-state-attorney-monique-h-worrell/

AMuzi

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Aug 10, 2023, 8:25:46 AM8/10/23
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On 8/10/2023 12:58 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 19:55:58 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/9/2023 7:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 09:58:15 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Aug 2023 08:34:26 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Aug 2023 09:10:25 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/2023 9:03 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
A great answer to the chronic problem of recidivism.
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