Another nasty holiday season on RBT

[Andre Jute]

Now that was another nasty holiday season on RBT -- and we're no for'arder than the smug selfsatisfaction of the usual bullies and undesirables.

Andre Jute
Congratulations

[Sir Ridesalot]

So go away already!

Cheers

[slto...@gmail.com]

I'd be willing to bet that I would drop you with one punch. But just to make sure I'd hit you a half dozen times before you could fall. Funny thing boxing, the reaction times are built into the muscles and you have to hold it back rather than concentrate on trying to use it.

[Sir Ridesalot]

I'd REALLY like to see you try!

Cheers

[Tosspot]

On 1/16/19 11:06 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> Now that was another nasty holiday season on RBT -- and we're no
> for'arder than the smug selfsatisfaction of the usual bullies and
> undesirables.

Speak for yerself. I got completely cunted on Hernos Old Tom Gin.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Any time you're in Oakland just let me know.

[jbeattie]

What is this? The fifth grade?

-- Jay Beattie.

[Ralph Barone]

Not even...

[Andre Jute]

You earned your hangover. Some years ago I laid in some really good champagne, the kind that comes from the estate in a bottle with a laser-printed label, not available to the nouveau riche because they'll never discover its name until it's all gone and a few bottles appear in auctions after its best years are past, but almost every one of the medications that keep me alive have warnings against the co-consumption of alcohol... I opened a bottle for my wife and tried to pretend my soda water with a splash of summer fruits was-- well, something.

Andre Jute
Definitely not a volunteer for teetotalling

[Andre Jute]

Another worthless clown who wants to be a gatekeeper.

Andre Jute
Congenital fascists everywhere

[Good Soldier Schweik]

This from a bloke that lives in the low rent area of Ireland and who
built an electric bicycle because he couldn't afford the tax on a
small motorcycle and is too fat to be able to ride a push bike up his
driveway.
.
-- Cheeers,

Schweik

[slto...@gmail.com]

I promised myself in grade school to never take any crap off of people like you. And I never have. And I have always been the one to walk away from someone laying on the ground. So maybe you think you can change that record; I'm ready, willing and able.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Welcome to the group and ignore the bullshit that always appears around here when they don't have anything technical to discuss.

[jbeattie]

Fascinating. You sound like all the dopes I see down at criminal call with oppositional defiant disorder. https://www.additudemag.com/oppositional-defiant-disorder-in-adults/ You may live in a shit hole now, but I can guaranty you that going to county jail on a menacing charge is worse -- or going to prison on Assault 2 if you actually connect. You meet Ralph on the street, you give him Christian love, because we all know you are a Christian.

-- Jay Beattie.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Tell us Jay - how do you like living in the second most dangerous city in the country?

[jbeattie]

I love it. http://d13fo19pohlmh8.cloudfront.net/media/assets/16e7bb3d258ccb31051050a44c5c7da8.jpeg Except the snow sort of sucks this year. More time on the bike! https://gosojourn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Oregon-Columbia-Gorge-Bike-Tour-1-1024x681.jpg

-- Jay Beattie.

[Ralph Barone]

I haven't been in a fistfight since elementary school, so I'm quite willing
to concede the title of "Baddest mofo in all of Oakland" to Tom. However, I
thought we weren't supposed to talk about fight club.

[John B. Slocomb]

For Heaven's sake! Tom is an old man, who is in ill health and suffers
from brain damage. The thought that he is going to beat anyone up is
just another one of his fantasies, like flying around in the bomb bay
of airplanes at 5,000 feet over Vietnam.

--

Cheers,

John B.

[Ralph Barone]

I understand that John. That's why I mostly don't engage Tom.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/17/2019 5:03 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Tell us Jay - how do you like living in the second most dangerous city in the country?
>

Tom, did you miss this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Or do you not understand how to read the numbers?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[slto...@gmail.com]

I'm far more interested in Jay's supposed legal talent when he believes that my launching a challenge and you taking it up to the point of coming here would constitute any sort of assault on my part. I have to wonder if Jay's entire practice isn't writing wills for old ladies.

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 8:31:41 PM UTC-5, John B. Slocomb wrote:
Snipped

> For Heaven's sake! Tom is an old man, who is in ill health and suffers
> from brain damage. The thought that he is going to beat anyone up is
> just another one of his fantasies, like flying around in the bomb bay
> of airplanes at 5,000 feet over Vietnam.
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Thanks John for that timely and informative post. It explains a lot about Tom and I for one in t he future will try much harder to just ignore him.

Cheers

[slto...@gmail.com]

And yet that is what happened. But then since you've done so little you wouldn't understand that life is strange and wonderful. The tail gunner in a B52D is actually in the tail. The way to get from the back pressurized compartment to the front is via a very narrow 6" wide shelf. The only way to do this is to put one knee in front of the other and scoot along while holding yourself on the shelf by slipping two fingers per hand between the gap in the vertical and horizontal ribs of the aircraft. On the ground this is scary since you're at least 10' above the bottom of the bomb bays. Because of the curvature of the hull you have to lean your body out over the bays so not many people would do that.

The A/C asked me to go to the gunner's position to find out what the heck was wrong with him since he sounded like he was going nuts. It turned out to be nothing since he was just watching the SAMs bursting around us.

So I went back there before the bomb run and came back after the bomb run. You cannot breath the air above 10,000 feet and remain conscious. So the only way to crawl through an unpressurized bomb bay to the gunner's position using a lot of strength would be to be below 10,000 ft,

After the bomb run I had to come forward because that was the only time we were low enough to allow my passage. What I was unaware of was that they leave the bomb bays open after a run to air then out. If we got shrapnel through the sides of the aircraft and through a bomb it could have splattered explosives into the bomb bays so you aired them out before rising to altitude.

That meant that on my way forward I crawled through the bomb bays with the doors open. The bomb bay doors had three positions - closed, open and unpowered so that they hung below the aircraft but not pushed entirely out to the sides. They depowered the doors and let them hang straight down after the run.

I even flew the aircraft - the A/C had to take a leak and regulations said that inside the war zone you had to have both A/C and Pilot positions manned at all times. So he called me up to the upper deck and put me in the A/C position. He even disengaged the autopilot so that I could fly the aircraft. The Pilot was there to make sure I didn't do anything wrong. But he supervised me as I banked it one way and the other a little. The aircraft is huge and it is extremely stable so it was no big deal.

I was up there for at least 5 minutes. I guess the A/C was BS'ing with the navigator and bombardier.

Yesterday, I was going to look at some building where I used to work and where there might be a new company. So I was going to take a resume. I was looking around for my briefcase and ran across a three clip folder - to my surprise I discovered that I taken a course on navigation from the University of Marin and passed with an A. I remember nothing about that but that is why I was hired on as Navigator for those large racing sailboats down the Pacific Coast to Catalina. I assumed that I had taught navigation to myself and that the reason I was on board is because I was the only one that would climb the mast in case of a problem at the masthead. Try climbing up a 70 ft mast in a seaway and you'd know why no one else would do that. I would be Navigator and Watch Captain.

I raced motorcycles semi-professionally which meant that Kawasaki gave ne an A1R to race but I did everything else myself. When I got tired of racing against a guy 5'1" tall that weight next to nothing on a Yamaha I was the Safety Director of the American Federation of Motorcyclists. I went down to Bell and discussed helmets with them. I learned enough that after bicycle helmets were around for awhile I wrote a paper showing that they don't do much. It's still floating around there out on the web someplace.

Some of the jobs I've done range from designing and programming the machine used to identify HIV for the very first time to programming the poison gas detectors for the Army at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. I even worked at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories to increase the power on their accelerator.

Between jobs I even helped start a telephone installation company for high rise office buildings in San Francisco.

Because you people have no abilities you assume no one else does. So you cannot believe anything that isn't outside of your very narrow scope of understanding.

I argued economics with Paul Volcker and see the sheer ignorance of Jay and Frank who are both supposedly postgrads.

[slto...@gmail.com]

This is why I think you're a moron Frank. Pure numbers of crimes do not indicate CRIME RATE. Just as your completely ignorant posting yesterday about the national debt. I wrote a treatise about it but it wouldn't allow me to post it because I had exceeded the numbers of posts for the day and that posting disappeared overnight as my automatic cleaner erased it.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/18/2019 11:05 AM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 8:01:13 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/17/2019 5:03 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell us Jay - how do you like living in the second most dangerous city in the country?
>>>
>>
>> Tom, did you miss this?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
>>
>> Or do you not understand how to read the numbers?
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> This is why I think you're a moron Frank. Pure numbers of crimes do not indicate CRIME RATE.

<sigh> The table has this title: "Crime rates per 100,000 people"

So you really did not understand how to read the numbers. I'm sorry, but
you're sinking fast.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

Well, Tom, no matter how you cut it, Portland doesn't have the second highest crime rate in the country. There is no support anywhere for that statement. https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/3-oakland/#4593d1f47d73 Oakland -- third most dangerous city in the US behind Detroit and St. Louis. "We're number three!" Be proud.

Portland does have a high property crime rate -- and a criminal amount of auto traffic. Oregon has heinously high taxes. There are legitimate complaints to be made, but Portland having the second highest crime rate in the US is not one of them.

-- Jay Beattie.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 4:35:54 PM UTC-5, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group and ignore the bullshit that always appears around
> here when they don't have anything technical to discuss.

For a good example of that, read tom's posts, even though he just told you to ignore him.

[slto...@gmail.com]

The overall crime rate in Seattle is 115% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 16.72 daily crimes that occur in Seattle. Seattle is safer than 9% of the cities in the United States. In Seattle you have a 1 in 17 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.

The overall crime rate in Detroit is 105% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 16.04 daily crimes that occur in Detroit. Detroit is safer than 4% of the cities in the United States. In Detroit you have a 1 in 18 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.

The overall crime rate in Chicago is 35% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 10.55 daily crimes that occur in Chicago. Chicago is safer than 6% of the cities in the United States. In Chicago you have a 1 in 26 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.

The overall crime rate in New York is 28% lower than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 5.58 daily crimes that occur in New York. New York is safer than 22% of the cities in the United States. In New York you have a 1 in 50 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.

Tell you what Frank, tell us how you've got a real tight hold on things. You don't seem to understand how statistics work and I'm certainly glad I never had a child educated by you.

[jbeattie]

Is there a problem with writing wills for old ladies? Old ladies need wills, too. Do you not like old ladies?

I don't do criminal. Civil trial assignments occur after criminal call, so my view of criminals has been while waiting for trial assignments -- and in court when they inevitably get dragged into an on-going civil trial or motion for sentencing, probation violations, pleas, etc. Judges take breaks to do these criminal spot jobs, and you get to see the jump-suit and shackle crowd traipse into the court room. It's like the orange ghost of Christmas past. I used to see lots of criminals when I worked ambulance and even worked with a few.

I know the assault statutes. You swing and miss, its attempted assault 2, assuming you intend serious physical injury -- which you apparently do. I even know assault in Washington. Don't get drunk and shoot someone. https://www.leagle.com/decision/inwaco20171213j15 In that case, I represented a bar on an over-service case and won. A huge victory for sports bars! Woohooo! If you get drunk at a Washington bar and shoot someone with a 1911, don't blame it on the bar. BTW, I've had a lot of stupid gun cases and even represented two big manufacturers who we all know and some cartridge manufacturers as well -- and I've already regaled you with my tank and cannon stories.

-- Jay Beattie.

[slto...@gmail.com]

The overall crime rate in Portland is 99% higher than the national average. For every 100,000 people, there are 15.47 daily crimes that occur in Portland. Portland is safer than 13% of the cities in the United States. In Portland you have a 1 in 18 chance of becoming a victim of any crime.

That listing compared POPULATIONJ SIZE to numbers of crimes and many of them were relatively minor crimes. Living in a small city in which home break-ins when people aren't home or drunken brawls is a problem doesn't make that city dangerous. As a lawyer you're expected to know those sorts of things. Would you rather your house is broken into while you're at work or that you were murdered?

[Duane]

Not that I care that much but out of curiosity, isn't uttering threats
still an actionable offense? I mean I know that with the Donald things
have changed...

[AMuzi]

??
In which State does DJT write criminal statutes?


--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Frank Krygowski]

People will probably notice that I gave a link to my source of data. As
usual, you gave no link to data. But I suppose the voices in your head
don't have a URL.

Why don't you comment on what I linked with this URL?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

And BTW, you _still_ seem to be fixating on Seattle, as if Jay lives
there. You've probably forgotten that he lives in Portland instead. They
are not the same city, you know.

... or you _should_ know.

If you're taking your meds, it's probably time to have them adjusted.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

In Oregon its called "menacing" (as it is in many other states, too):


ORS 163.190¹

Menacing

(1) A person commits the crime of menacing if by word or conduct the person intentionally attempts to place another person in fear of imminent serious physical injury.

(2) Menacing is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §95]


In California, it's called "threatening" -- here's the statute:



PENAL CODE - PEN
PART 1. OF CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS [25 - 680] ( Part 1 enacted 1872. )
TITLE 11.5. CRIMINAL THREATS [422 - 422.4] ( Heading of Title 11.5 amended by Stats. 2000, Ch. 1001, Sec. 4. )
422.
(a) Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family’s safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison.

(b) For purposes of this section, “immediate family” means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household.

(c) “Electronic communication device” includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. “Electronic communication” has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.

(Amended (as amended by Stats. 2011, Ch. 15) by Stats. 2011, Ch. 39, Sec. 16. (AB 117) Effective June 30, 2011. Operative October 1, 2011, pursuant to Secs. 68 and 69 of Ch. 39.)


IT INCLUDES WRITTEN THREATS ON NEWS GROUPS! OMG, I think we're going to have to refer Tom from criminal prosecution!

-- Jay Beattie.

[slto...@gmail.com]

I figured that from the wording that anyone would be able to figure that all you would have to enter is "crime rates in X" but I must apologize since that was too far beyond your capacity.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Refer away. But remember that I have a real lawyer who would be very interested in your referral. Especially with regard to the first Amendment

[Sir Ridesalot]

Tome should be careful about making threats online since he lives in California.

"California Penal Code 422 PC defines the crime of "criminal threats" (formerly known as terrorist threats).

https://www.shouselaw.com/criminal_threats.html

A "criminal threat" is when you threaten to kill or physically harm someone and

1. that person is thereby placed in a state of reasonably sustained fear for his/her safety or for the safety of his/her immediate family,
2. the threat is specific and unequivocal and
3. you communicate the threat verbally, in writing, or via an electronically transmitted device.1

Criminal threats can be charged whether or not you have the ability to carry out the threat...and even if you don't actually intend to execute the threat.2"

https://www.chamberslawfirmca.com/why-online-threats-put-you-at-risk-of-criminal-charges-under-california-law/

"The California Penal Code makes it a crime to willfully communicate a threat to another person that would result in great physical harm or death. This is known as the crime of making criminal threats. To convict you of the crime of making criminal threats, the prosecution must prove five separate things: (1) you willfully (purposefully) threatened another person with the intent of seriously injuring or killing that person; (2) the threat was made verbally, in writing, or through electronic communication; (3) you meant for your statement to be understood as a threat, regardless if you were either able to or intended to carry the threat out;"

https://jnlawoffices.com/criminal-threats-california/

"And in the state of California, while your right to free speech fully protects the expression of your opinions, it does not extend to libel, slander, or threats of violence, and you may not intimidate another person with a threat of violence.

That’s considered “making a criminal threat,” and in California, it’s against the law.

Anyone who is accused of making a criminal threat in Southern California will need the help of an experienced Long Beach criminal defense attorney."

Cheers

[slto...@gmail.com]

And then, I say to you as well - by all means try to press any charges against me. I could use all the money you have to your name.

[John B. Slocomb]

You don't have to wonder, you can look it up, You see, a lawyer's name
is on the cases that he files so it is a matter of record and can be
easily determined.

Unlike your fevered fantasies Jay's record is right out in the open
for everyone to see. Not a figment of someone's imagination.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Do you suppose I didn't know he was a product liability litigator from the second posting he ever made? My point is that his expertise in other things is painfully limited save perhaps his cycling and racing experience and he shouldn't act like it is.

Frank was a teacher. Yet he has extremely limited understanding of statistical analysis and economics so why should he be offering almost entirely incorrect opinions thereupon?

The basis of our disagreement was not because they are liberal but because they THINK they are liberal without even knowing the modern definition of that.

[John B. Slocomb]

Tom, you are as full of shit as a Christmas Turkey. You flew the B-52!
On a combat mission they shut off the autopilot and let you fly the
airplane!

SAC regulations say that both the AC and the Pilot positions have to
be filled... Right! So I guess that the only way an AC can take a leak
is to either have Tom aboard or piss his pants?

And, the A.C. asked a non-crew member to crawl back to check on the
tail gunner? Or are you claiming that you were a crew member?

No intercom? The AC couldn't call up the tail gunner and ask him how
he is? You think that whole on oxygen the flight crew isn't constantly
checking each other?

All I can say is that you have a very vivid imagination and know
little if anything about how a USAF flight crew acts in combat.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

Pure numbers do not indicate CRIME RATE?

Well what does? Your imagination? Your imagination when you take your
med's or when you forget to take them?

You wrote a treatise? Sure you did. About what happens when you buy
cheap Chinese bicycle wheels.

Tom you are a phony!
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

Why in the world would anyone want to press charges against a feeble
old man who can't differentiate between his own fantacies and
reality.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

Well, I suggest that (1) Jay's expertise is likely to be much greater
then your own and he normally posts references to his statements
unlike you who simply make things up out of clear air and expect that
your readers are too stupid to realize that you are telling lies. and
(2) Frank, like Jay, normally furnishes references to his statements,
again unlike you who seem prone to wild eyed assertions that
apparently are a result of your brain damage, or perhaps failure to
take your medicine.

Sorry Tom, given a choice between a rational teacher and a sober
advocate and a wild eyed fool ranting and raving and making little
sense the fool loses.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 07:27:33 +0700, John B. Slocomb <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

To add to the above, I suggest that you would be judged
not guilty due to insanity" Or perhaps "not guilty due to impaired
mental abilities".

Maybe we can get Jay to look up the actual law.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[slto...@gmail.com]

You really are one stupid shit aren't you? Like flying a B52 is some big deal with the aircraft pilot siting in the right seat. What a dunce.

I happened to be on the aircraft and was up sitting dead center behind them looking at how the instruments responded. Normally the EWO would have sat in. Well since you said that you were friends with an EWO who had been in a war zone he would have known that and been able to tell you about it. You did say you were friends with an EWO didn't you?

So you think that you're going to call on the Intercom and ask the tail gunner why he is whooping and screaming huh? I guess that's why no one would ever trust you with a wooden nickel. It's pretty plain that you knew that you couldn't get a job back in the US and that's why you're still in Thailand.

So perhaps you can explain to me what in the hell you would ever know about how a flight crew behaves in a combat zone.

[slto...@gmail.com]

You, frank and Jay think that your level of reality is googling something. It doesn't matter in the least that Google is corrupt and purposely puts hard leftist bias on all of the information to the point where they lied before the Congress about not changing anything themselves "Its all controlled by a algorithm. Now several engineers have come forward saying that Google personally fixes the results to bear hard left. Hard rain is going to fall.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Ahhhh, poor little Johnny got his feelings hurt. It must be terrible to have had a nothing life.

[Andre Jute]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:55:49 PM UTC, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Frank was a teacher.

Frank's a jumped-up welder.

>Yet he has extremely limited understanding of statistical analysis and economics so why should he be offering almost entirely incorrect opinions thereupon?

You're giving Franki-boy altogether too much credit, Tom. Krygowski's knowledge of statistic analysis and interpretation is would be zero if he kept his mouth shut. But since he can't keep his mouth shut, and does damage to cause he tries to promote with statistics, we must conclude that his understanding of statistics is a negative quality. Here's an example: Franki-boy is always going on about how cycling is safer than a lot of people believe. He offered some numbers in proof. I went to the same sources, did a proper analysis, and discovered that ***cycling is even safer than Franki-boy Krygowski claimed!*** What a wanker. Of course the ungracious clown didn't thank me for saving him from his ignorance: instead he pretends that I see danger to cyclists where there is none. That's not all, Franki-boy knows he's incompetent to handle sampling statistics (and so he should be -- it's been pointed out to him often enough), so, if you bring an irrefutable case to RBT, he claims he isn't reading your post, even while commenting on them with a flow of ad hominem. A good example is a study of all accidents in which bicyclists were involved in New York, not a sampling study, an actual head count of all those referred to accident and emergency: absolutely irrefutable evidence that one of the biggest bees in Franki-boy's bonnet can't find its way back to the hive. But Franki-boy absolutely refuses to discuss the study or even to admit it exists. So, in consideration of these three points, I would say that Krygowski is useless with statistics, he knows he's useless with statistic, and he uses statistics to bully, to baffle, and to lie.

> The basis of our disagreement was not because they are liberal but because they THINK they are liberal without even knowing the modern definition of that.

Oh, I'm sure that Franki-boy and Slow Johnny and the several nasty anonymous emanations of the thief Peter Howard currently infesting RBT would be shocked if one explained to them why they are cultural Marxists. I don't know about Jay -- he's probably smart enough to understand that these clowns can't ever build anything, can only sneer and jeer and if there are enough of them destroy something they couldn't ever build -- but he runs with the crowd because it isn't worth the energy to stand up to the mob. They come and they go and there's no shortage of petty little men overflowing with envy, resentment and pure pointless malice to take their places. Rational people, with all the will in the world, cannot hope to stay ahead of assholes with opinions on everything.

Andre Jute
To think I welcomed the net as a voice for everyman outwith the editorial control of the intellectual elite. Just goes to show even I can be diametrically wrong.

[news18]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:02:29 -0800, sltom992 wrote:

> Yesterday, I was going to look at some building where I used to work and
> where there might be a new company. So I was going to take a resume. I
> was looking around for my briefcase and ran across a three clip folder -
> to my surprise I discovered that I taken a course on navigation from the
> University of Marin and passed with an A. I remember nothing about that
> but that is why I was hired on as Navigator for those large racing
> sailboats down the Pacific Coast to Catalina.

Navigators in sailing boat races only have to worry if they are out to
win, mainly about over running the end port.

> I assumed that I had
> taught navigation to myself

But you still went to a course?
Shrug, I got asked to teach navigation to wanna be pilots for a light
aircraft mob. WTF, naah, you just follow the railway lines they said.

> and that the reason I was on board is
> because I was the only one that would climb the mast in case of a
> problem at the masthead. Try climbing up a 70 ft mast in a seaway and
> you'd know why no one else would do that. I would be Navigator and Watch
> Captain.

Err, in my experience, all large sailing boats, use a "chair" and winch
to send people up the mast to look at problems. You're just required to
have a strong stomach.

>
> I raced motorcycles semi-professionally which meant that Kawasaki gave
> ne an A1R to race but I did everything else myself. When I got tired of

> racing against a guy 5'1" tall that weight next to nothing on a Yamaha.

Yer, my Kawasaki was like that as well; it kept up to the speed limit,
but not the rest of the traffic.

> I was the Safety Director of the American Federation of Motorcyclists.
> I went down to Bell and discussed helmets with them. I learned enough
> that after bicycle helmets were around for awhile I wrote a paper
> showing that they don't do much.

Blind freddy knew that.

> It's still floating around there out on the web
> someplace.

Unless you're hosting it, I doubt it. Permanacy is not a feature of
material on the internet as people have pointed out you non-existed
imprint on it now. Perhaps the WayBackMachine might have a copy if you
can provide some details of where you think you lodged it.

>
> Some of the jobs I've done range from designing and programming the
> machine used to identify HIV for the very first time

Why does HIV require a machine to be designed especially for it?
Ime, if you tell a manufacturer what you need to do, they'll tell you
what you need, you just have to compare the different options.

> to programming the
> poison gas detectors for the Army at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.

> I even worked at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratories to increase the power on
> their accelerator.

You helped drag thicker cables in? Seriously be a bit more specific. You
might have been the guy who told the techs where the lunch room was for
all that means.

>
> Between jobs I even helped start a telephone installation company for
> high rise office buildings in San Francisco.
>
> Because you people have no abilities you assume no one else does. So you
> cannot believe anything that isn't outside of your very narrow scope of
> understanding.

As wise people say over here, when some one offers to sell you and island
and a bridge, it is best to ask for detailed information and get it is
writing real quick.

>
> I argued economics with Paul Volcker and see the sheer ignorance of Jay
> and Frank who are both supposedly postgrads.

Shrug, plenty of fools argue with exports and think that means they know
something. Unfortunately for you, you history of copy and paste economic
arguments coupled with your personal circumstances shows you actually
know next to nill, if that.

[John B. Slocomb]

I have no idea as I was never invited to fly a B-52 but as a crew
chief on a RB-50 I did fly with the aircraft quite a number of times
and the idea that an A.C. is going to let some totally unqualified non
crew member sit in his seat and fly his airplane is as weird as any of
your other fantasies.

>I happened to be on the aircraft and was up sitting dead center behind them looking at how the instruments responded. Normally the EWO would have sat in. Well since you said that you were friends with an EWO who had been in a war zone he would have known that and been able to tell you about it. You did say you were friends with an EWO didn't you?

Tom, either you are having some day dream or you are telling lies. A
good friend, was an EWO and strange as it may seem he never mentioned
"sitting in the seat" and given that he received an award for
discovering that because of the sensitivity of some of his gear it was
possible for the EWO to forecast the failure of the A.C. generators on
a B-52 I'd guess that he probably knew what he was talking about.

>So you think that you're going to call on the Intercom and ask the tail gunner why he is whooping and screaming huh? I guess that's why no one would ever trust you with a wooden nickel. It's pretty plain that you knew that you couldn't get a job back in the US and that's why you're still in Thailand.
>

Tom, as I mentioned, I did make quite a number of flights on a RB-50
and yes, the A.C. did call, or perhaps it is more accurate to say that
the crew members did call in on a regular basis to ensure that,
particularly when on oxygen that none of them had problems.

As for a tail gunner whooping and hollering on the intercom I just
don't believe that either. To the Air Force flying an airplane is a
serious job and someone whooping and screaming on the intercom
wouldn't have been tolerated. But I agree that to a civilian it makes
a good story - never been there, never done that.

As for a "job in Thailand" I only worked in Thailand for a short time
before the oil boom in Indonesia when I went to work there where the
money was. Not bad work either, 2 weeks in the jungle and 2 weeks at
home and the money flooding in.

But you wouldn't have qualified. Too much bull shit. See we lived at
pretty close quarters out in the jungle and some loud mouthed fool
just wouldn't be tolerated. The lads would have gone top the Project
Manager and told him "either he goes or we go" and you'd have been on
the next flight out.

>So perhaps you can explain to me what in the hell you would ever know about how a flight crew behaves in a combat zone.

Given that I spent about 10 years in two organizations that flew "hot
gun" missions in Asia I suggest that I certainly know more then you
do.

See Tom, that's your problem. You've sat around and told a bunch of
stories to people that didn't know and now you believe them yourself
and when you start to tell your stores to someone that was there and
did it you fall flat on your arse.

Tell me, is this story something that you made up or did you dream it?
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

I'm sure that you are correct... Now prove it.

You see Tom, we know that you fabricate much, maybe most, of your
assertions while the rest of us tend to be a bit more conservative and
provide references for what we write.

So Tommy prove that google is a left wing organization "controlled by
a algorithm".

As I said above, "Prove It!"
--

Cheers,

John B.

[John B. Slocomb]

Hardly "got his feelings hurt". After all how, or why, would one feel
hurt by the ravings of a fool.

As for a "nothing life"? Well, I've been married to the same woman for
about 50 years, never had to divorce her, got a son and two grand kids
both in collage, own two homes and am happily retired. I'm fairly
satisfied with life so far.

You on the other hand have reported being under medical care for brain
damage, losing all your money due to Obama, having divorced your wife
and living in your mother's house.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

Here you go, Tom:

https://www.amazon.com/Archie-McPhee-Tin-Foil-Humans/dp/B07CXZBRW5/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1547866516&sr=8-2&keywords=tin+foil+hat

You've said many times that you're strapped for cash. So give me your
address and I'll buy one for you. ;-)


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

Oh come on. Like you don't have an opinion on everything? Imagine a world where people did not have opinions -- on everything.

For example, I love STI. Hydraulic discs are great, except for the plumbing and the occasional failed internal o-rings and resultant leakage. I just rebuilt a BR-RS785, and its working like a charm. Di2 is really nice with that bleep-whirr shift thing, although totally unnecessary. I broke a wire on the rear derailleur giving the bike too vigorous of a wash on the wash stand (put the wire into the cassette), but I soldered that back together and did a shrink tube on it. The wonder of modern bikes is that you can do plumbing, electrical and mechanical on your bike -- without a permit. One day I'm going to have to learn how to program the thing. I'm really happy with CO2 cartridges, too, notwithstanding the environmental burden. I do recycle them -- or they go into the recycle bin. God knows where they end up now that China is refusing our garbage qua recyclables.

What I hate most right now is the Look Keo Blade pedal on my fast bike. The blade is failing or failed, and the cleat releases with the slightest rotation. I took it out and reinstalled without much change. Next pedals will have a standard spring. I don't like the standard aluminum wire bottle cages on my rain bike. I'm sold on wrap-around bottle cages, and in fact, Bontrager makes a cheap CF look-alike cage that is a great value. I need to put longer fender flaps on my son's Roubaix so he doesn't spray me going into work at >30mph. It's like drafting a truck in the rain.

-- Jay Beattie.

[news18]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:15:50 -0800, Andre Jute wrote:

> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:55:49 PM UTC, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Frank was a teacher.
>
> Frank's a jumped-up welder.

Aaah, a MAKER as opposed to a gunna-do.
Shrug, it is far better to be taught any skill by someone who is
competent in it, where as your skill in writing needs improvement.

>
>>Yet he has extremely limited understanding of statistical analysis and
>>economics so why should he be offering almost entirely incorrect
>>opinions thereupon?
>
> You're giving Franki-boy altogether too much credit, Tom. Krygowski's
> knowledge of statistic analysis and interpretation is would be zero

Do you want to try that again.

> A good example is a study of all accidents in which bicyclists
> were involved in New York, not a sampling study, an actual head count of
> all those referred to accident and emergency: absolutely irrefutable
> evidence

The problem with A&E statistics is that they are often recorded by people
who PKI is box ticking and no other competency. This has been shown a
number of times when competent analysis and investigation has been
applied to them; the clearest example is "the helmet debate".

> Oh, I'm sure that Franki-boy and Slow Johnny and the several nasty
> anonymous emanations of the thief Peter Howard currently infesting RBT
> would be shocked if one explained to them why they are cultural
> Marxists.

Use of such terminology is clear sign of total surrender in any debate.

> They come and they go and there's no
> shortage of petty little men overflowing with envy, resentment and pure
> pointless malice to take their places. Rational people, with all the
> will in the world, cannot hope to stay ahead of assholes with opinions
> on everything.

Yet they keep trying to knock some sense into you and Tom.

> Andre Jute To think I welcomed the net as a voice for everyman outwith

without?

> the editorial control of the intellectual elite. Just goes to show even
> I can be diametrically wrong.

As you keep demonstrating.

News18; Who has multiple pages on any google search for "his" name and
knew that "the internet" was going to be the same dog's breakfast as
FIDONET was.

[Andre Jute]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 3:09:52 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:15:51 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:55:49 PM UTC, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank was a teacher.
> >
> > Frank's a jumped-up welder.
> >
> > >Yet he has extremely limited understanding of statistical analysis and economics so why should he be offering almost entirely incorrect opinions thereupon?
> >
> > You're giving Franki-boy altogether too much credit, Tom. Krygowski's knowledge of statistic analysis and interpretation is would be zero if he kept his mouth shut. But since he can't keep his mouth shut, and does damage to cause he tries to promote with statistics, we must conclude that his understanding of statistics is a negative quality. Here's an example: Franki-boy is always going on about how cycling is safer than a lot of people believe. He offered some numbers in proof. I went to the same sources, did a proper analysis, and discovered that ***cycling is even safer than Franki-boy Krygowski claimed!*** What a wanker. Of course the ungracious clown didn't thank me for saving him from his ignorance: instead he pretends that I see danger to cyclists where there is none. That's not all, Franki-boy knows he's incompetent to handle sampling statistics (and so he should be -- it's been pointed out to him often enough), so, if you bring an irrefutable case to RBT, he claims he isn't reading your post, even while commenting on them with a flow of ad hominem. A good example is a study of all accidents in which bicyclists were involved in New York, not a sampling study, an actual head count of all those referred to accident and emergency: absolutely irrefutable evidence that one of the biggest bees in Franki-boy's bonnet can't find its way back to the hive. But Franki-boy absolutely refuses to discuss the study or even to admit it exists. So, in consideration of these three points, I would say that Krygowski is useless with statistics, he knows he's useless with statistic, and he uses statistics to bully, to baffle, and to lie.
> >
> > > The basis of our disagreement was not because they are liberal but because they THINK they are liberal without even knowing the modern definition of that.
> >
> > Oh, I'm sure that Franki-boy and Slow Johnny and the several nasty anonymous emanations of the thief Peter Howard currently infesting RBT would be shocked if one explained to them why they are cultural Marxists. I don't know about Jay -- he's probably smart enough to understand that these clowns can't ever build anything, can only sneer and jeer and if there are enough of them destroy something they couldn't ever build -- but he runs with the crowd because it isn't worth the energy to stand up to the mob. They come and they go and there's no shortage of petty little men overflowing with envy, resentment and pure pointless malice to take their places. Rational people, with all the will in the world, cannot hope to stay ahead of assholes with opinions on everything.
>
> Oh come on. Like you don't have an opinion on everything?

Nope. I have opinions on matters on which I've informed myself. Otherwise I have questions. Questions are good for increasing knowledge.

> Imagine a world where people did not have opinions -- on everything.

It's a nightmare. Parts of the net are like that, for instance RBT, which is supposed to be a tech conference. Supposed, I say.

> For example, I love STI.

I don't know what STI are and have no desire to discover what they are because I suspect that they will be unergonomic and a pain to set up and operate, and when the local cafe cyclists see me with them, they will again invite me to join their peloton which never gets beyond the last coffee dispensary in town to, as they say, "share the pain". I'm a Calvinist, dimbos: My place is reserved in Heaven, whatever I do, so I have no pain, no regrets and no guilt.

>Hydraulic discs are great, except for the plumbing and the occasional failed internal o-rings and resultant leakage. I just rebuilt a BR-RS785, and its working like a charm.

I have a front disc on one of my bikes, and the thing chewed pads and was always far too sudden, on or off with nothing in between, to much bother for someone who like watching the countryside and having a conversation with pedal pals.

> Di2 is really nice with that bleep-whirr shift thing, although totally unnecessary. I broke a wire on the rear derailleur giving the bike too vigorous of a wash on the wash stand (put the wire into the cassette), but I soldered that back together and did a shrink tube on it.

Now you're talking. I have a bike with Di2, but full auto shifting, not the cut down assisted shifting Shimano sells to racers. Also in the gruppo, electronically operated adaptive suspension. I'm a masher and would hang onto high gears too long, so the automatic box cut several minutes from a 45m ride I took on weekdays back when that bike was often in rotation. I had to reengineer the bike because the designer was a bit confused about its purpose and target customer, but Trek Benelux were absolutely marvellous with advice and parts, so I didn't have to do any soldering of fine wires, which I hate. (The sort of electronics I do is vacuum tube hi-fi, great big chunky components that you can see.)

>The wonder of modern bikes is that you can do plumbing, electrical and mechanical on your bike -- without a permit. One day I'm going to have to learn how to program the thing.

I just gave the manual to my teenage sun and promised him a new Mac if he got me up and running by the end of the week. That's actually very good advice for anything that is electronic and comes with a 300 and something page manual. Once I reduced everything of use to me to a flow chart on one side of a sheet of paper, I had it printed on plastic and the plastic laminated to protect the printing, and carried the relevant instructions on the bike with me.

>I'm really happy with CO2 cartridges, too, notwithstanding the environmental burden. I do recycle them -- or they go into the recycle bin. God knows where they end up now that China is refusing our garbage qua recyclables.

India, with the overage solar cells full of irrecoverable, poisonous cadmium.

> What I hate most right now is the Look Keo Blade pedal on my fast bike. The blade is failing or failed, and the cleat releases with the slightest rotation. I took it out and reinstalled without much change. Next pedals will have a standard spring. I don't like the standard aluminum wire bottle cages on my rain bike. I'm sold on wrap-around bottle cages, and in fact, Bontrager makes a cheap CF look-alike cage that is a great value. I need to put longer fender flaps on my son's Roubaix so he doesn't spray me going into work at >30mph. It's like drafting a truck in the rain.

Don't get your fingers in the spokes.

Andre Jute
Normal service will shortly resure

[Sir Ridesalot]

Jute and Tom are two of the biggest Trolls on RBT if not Usenet itself. Why so many argue every little thing with them beats me. the very best thing to do with Trolls is IGNORE them.

Many here have both Jute and Tom killfiled but unfortunately the replies to eith made by others gets past the killfile.

Cheers

[Duane]

AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> On 1/18/2019 3:07 PM, Duane wrote:
>> On 18/01/2019 3:54 p.m., jbeattie wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 7:13:56 AM UTC-8,

> ??
> In which State does DJT write criminal statutes?
>
>

I mean the president isn’t setting much of an example regarding online
threats but I thought that even so this was still illegal.

--
duane

[Duane]

jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> wrote:

Thanks. I wasn’t referring Tom in particular - I don’t really follow his
posts.

Just wondering. I know it’s still illegal here in Canada but wasn’t sure
if things changed in the US. Things seem to be more toxic down there these
days.

--
duane

[Mark J.]

On 1/18/2019 8:02 AM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 5:31:41 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> For Heaven's sake! Tom is an old man, who is in ill health and suffers
>> from brain damage. The thought that he is going to beat anyone up is
>> just another one of his fantasies, like flying around in the bomb bay
>> of airplanes at 5,000 feet over Vietnam.
>
> And yet that is what happened. But then since you've done so little you wouldn't understand that life is strange and wonderful. The tail gunner in a B52D is actually in the tail. The way to get from the back pressurized compartment to the front is via a very narrow 6" wide shelf. The only way to do this is to put one knee in front of the other and scoot along while holding yourself on the shelf by slipping two fingers per hand between the gap in the vertical and horizontal ribs of the aircraft. On the ground this is scary since you're at least 10' above the bottom of the bomb bays. Because of the curvature of the hull you have to lean your body out over the bays so not many people would do that.
>
> The A/C asked me to go to the gunner's position to find out what the heck was wrong with him since he sounded like he was going nuts. It turned out to be nothing since he was just watching the SAMs bursting around us.
>
> So I went back there before the bomb run and came back after the bomb run. You cannot breath the air above 10,000 feet and remain conscious.

Funny that I've done it at least six times on a bicycle. Is it when you
don't have a bicycle handy that you lose consciousness?

Mark J.

[jbeattie]

Riding across the US, I went over Hoosier Pass in Colorado at 11,500 and remained conscious -- and in fact felt pretty peppy. More recently, however, I almost passed out riding in Utah at 10,715 -- but only because I was trying to keep up with my son. The grade wasn't that bad -- just long. https://bbrelje.wordpress.com/2013/08/03/mirror-lake-highway-cycling/

Time for a ride in the fog!

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

I didn't ride it, but I saw bicycle tourists climbing Trail Ridge Road
in Rocky Mountain National Park, riding with full panniers. That one
goes over 12,000 feet.

I think the effect of altitude varies quite a bit from person to person.
I felt lightheaded just walking around the visitor center up there.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[slto...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:15:51 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:

It almost knocked me over when he showed some dumb article about how every president increased the national debt! He is totally unaware that the debt consists of Debt Held By the Public and Intergovernmental Holdings.

For the end of Reagan and part of H.W. and the entire 8 years of Clinton and the first year of George W that the Debt Held By The Pubic - the actual debt was being paid down.

The "increase" in the national debt was no such thing. It was an increase in Intergovernmental Holdings which isn't a debt at all - it is the Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds. Neither Frank, Jay or John know anything about this. Jay even believes that you don't have an investment in your own Social Security!

To see these guys posting about things that they haven't even a gross idea about is pretty telling of their characters.

[slto...@gmail.com]

If you were a crew chief on a B50 you're one hell of a lot older than you've suggested. You couldn't ride a bike now if it had four wheels and someone was pushing you around in one. Your crap about the Air Force being so ridged also tells me you were never in. I broke orders several times and all I had to do was say "safety of flight" and there was nothing they could get past the base commander.

Your rather poor command of English or your increasing dementia apparently keeps you from remembering that we were actually in combat and not like you - pissing your pants just to fly in that pile of junk which was nothing more than a B29 with bigger engines on it and a bigger tail to offset the increased torque of those engines that had to be rebuilt almost every flight which is why they didn't fly them.

Give us some more of your crap - you're getting deeper and deeper.

Sitting in a meeting with some of the world's best engineers and chemists. the engineers said that making a chemical assay machine required two IBM supercomputers. At the time these were $3 Million apiece. I said, "I can do it with a micro processor." I delivered ahead of schedule and below budget so if you said, "It's him or me" you would have been shown the door immediately.

Go ahead and google away and use that as your "authoritative" proof of everything you say.

[slto...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 8:43:46 AM UTC-8, Mark J. wrote:

If you live at altitude you can adapt to as high as 20,000 feet. But aircraft are pressurized at altitudes above 10,000. So movements between the pressurized compartments had to occur below that altitude.

I would be interested in knowing where you found a mountain in the USA above 10,000 that had a road to the top. While there are a lot of 10,000 ft high mountains in the USA the only one I can think of with a road above 10,000 ft is Pike's Peak. That's a little over 14,000 and the annual bike ride normally has a lot of people dropping out on the verge of fainting for lack of O2. The timberline is at something like 12,000 feet and the base where you start is something like 7,000 ft. There used to be a "cog train" that went to the top and bicyclists would take the train to the top and ride down. I was a year in Denver with is down around 5,200 ft and they still had people growing faint there.

If a tree can't grow above 12,000 ft what would make you think that you could crawl through the bomb bays of a aircraft at 10,000 feet safely?

[slto...@gmail.com]

People raised at or near sea level usually have altitude sickness at 10,000 ft or higher. This is medical fact so why are you guys trying to deny it?

Is it your pretense that aircraft are NOT pressurized above 10,000 feet? Jumping in with both feet with that fool Slocumb?

[news18]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:59:05 -0800, sltom992 wrote:


> Sitting in a meeting with some of the world's best engineers and
> chemists.
> the engineers said that making a chemical assay machine required two IBM
> supercomputers.

Right, they were engineers and chemists, Not IT or was it still EDP when
this happened.

> At the time these were $3 Million apiece.

That is not a "super computer". You did say"IBM"

> I said, "I can do it with a micro processor."

Which one?
Or don't you know your terminology and are referring to a "miniframe"?
The sort of stuff that HP was flogging. Oh wait, are you sure that you
just didn't order a HP box that did that already.

> I delivered ahead of schedule and below budget

Yep, plenty of us did that as PCs started eating the bottom out of the
"mainframe business".

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/19/2019 3:26 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I would be interested in knowing where you found a mountain in the USA above 10,000 that had a road to the top. While there are a lot of 10,000 ft high mountains in the USA the only one I can think of with a road above 10,000 ft is Pike's Peak.

The road doesn't have to go to the top of the peak to clear 10,000 feet.

https://www.dangerousroads.org/north-america/usa/1610-highest-paved-road-list-in-usa.html

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

Are you trying to deny that you said "You cannot breath the air above
10,000 feet and remain conscious"?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[slto...@gmail.com]

You shouldn't show your ignorance.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Tell you what Frank - why don't you take a balloon ride up to above 10,000 feet and we will all attend your wake. I also said that people acclimated to it can live at 19,000 feet, do you want to try that?

Are you denying that aircraft are ALWAYS pressurized above 10,000 and that if they lose pressurization that oxygen masks automatically deploy?

Hell, I can be cool too like Jay - I did the death ride two or three times and that tops out around 9,000 feet. When is Jay planning on doing that to show how wrong I am?

[AMuzi]

On 1/19/2019 1:59 PM, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:57:00 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 16:55:35 -0800 (PST), slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 4:01:23 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:02:29 -0800 (PST), slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 5:31:41 PM UTC-8, John B. Slocomb wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:56:04 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
>>>>>> <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 1:33:53 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 8:42:52 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 7:25:47 AM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 9:56:58 AM UTC-5, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 2:15:27 AM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 5:06:44 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:

-snip just oodles of text-

> Sitting in a meeting with some of the world's best engineers and chemists. the engineers said that making a chemical assay machine required two IBM supercomputers. At the time these were $3 Million apiece. I said, "I can do it with a micro processor." I delivered ahead of schedule and below budget so if you said, "It's him or me" you would have been shown the door immediately.

-final snip-

That would be around 1990 right? Sounds familiar.

My brother's medical research imaging lab building included
a full floor for a Cray with cooling systems. He changed the
whole department over to some mini processors in parallel
which by then outperformed a supercomputer for graphics
rendering.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jbeattie]

Altitude sickness is not passing out from lack of O2. It's feeling like shit and throwing up or almost throwing up. For me, mild SOB is the least of my problems when it comes to altitude sickness.

I've had mild altitude sickness coming from PDX and skiing at the top of Snowbird or Alta, which is 11,000. It gets worse with effort/dehydration. The worst altitude sickness I ever had was doing a speed climb up Mt. Adams with my wife and some friends. https://alpenglowsports.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/mt-adams-jpeg.jpg I decided to go full blast up the face below the false summit -- that step near the top. I about lost my lunch and felt like crap for the last section up to the real summit. Adams is not that high, so breathing was never a real issue. BTW, the great part about that climb is you can glissade down a butt-made bobsled chute much of the way back, braking now and then with an ice ax to avoid flying out of the chute. I ended up wearing a hole through my snow pants. I'll go from zero feet to 7,500 tomorrow morning for skiing, and I won't even register the change except for ear popping -- maybe a little SOB with hard effort, but that elevation gain doesn't make me sick.

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B. Slocomb]

Tom, I worked at the Freeport copper mine, in Indonesia, where the
maintenence facality was located at 10,000 ft. The actual open pit
mining was higher.

Your problem Tom, other then the lies that you tell, is the fact that
you continue to talk about things that you know nothing about.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Mark J.]

Trail Ridge Road was one of the six I was thinking of, and yes, we were
on our tandem with a full camping load, in 1984. Oh to be young again.

We lived in Colorado for two years. The other 10,000+ climbs were
Hoosier that Jay noted (three times for me), Independence, and a dirt
dead end road near Colorado Springs that ended at a ?microwave relay?
station at the mountaintop.

Colorado College, where I taught, had an annual end-of-September student
bike trip to Aspen, over Independence Pass (12,095 feet). I didn't do
that one, but reportedly lots of students did.

Funny you mention the lightheadedness. I never had that on the bike,
but when my brother came to visit, we took the cog railway to the top of
Pike's Peak. Granted that is 14,000+, but I felt distinctly woozy
getting out of the train, and it really startled me, after feeling fine
at 12,000 on the bike. I suspect it was because the cardiovascular
system was far from revved up.

Oh, and for Tom's benefit, note I was raised near sea level in an LA suburb.

Mark J.

[John B. Slocomb]

Be assured that he won't deny it. But he will make an end run around
the fact and change the subject :-)
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Mark J.]

Oh, and I left out Monarch, 11,312 ft. So that's seven times.

Mark J.

[jbeattie]

I don't believe. I know it, as do most other people -- except you. https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/policy-basics-understanding-the-social-security-trust-funds

I'm self-employed and pay both sides of FICA/FUTA and have for >25 years. I'm supporting people like you -- the SS welfare kings!

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B. Slocomb]

Ah but Tom, You said, and I quote, " You cannot breath the air above
10,000 feet and remain conscious", and now you are singing a different
song... so either(1) you told a lie when you said that, or (2) you are
lying now... which one?

Oh yes, you say "that aircraft are ALWAYS pressurized above 10,000
ft". Tain't so. During the Korean war B-29's made many of their
bombing runs unpressurized, above 10,000 ft as the dangers from what
was called explosive decompression (getting a hole blown in the
fuselage) was thought to be more dangerous then using oxygen.

>Hell, I can be cool too like Jay - I did the death ride two or three times and that tops out around 9,000 feet. When is Jay planning on doing that to show how wrong I am?

--

Cheers,

John B.

[jbeattie]

The wooziness is what I think of as altitude sickness which is different from SOB. I liked the Colorado climbs I did because they were fairly low angle, and the total elevation gain was not that great because I was starting so high. I never did Mt. Evans or Pikes Peak or the really high climbs. BTW, I used to ride with Mike Engleman who won the Mt. Evans hill climb. I rode with him before he turned pro, but even then, he was pretty amazing.

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B. Slocomb]

Sorry to tell you Tom, but I was a crew chief on a RB-50 at Yokota AFB
in 1955, during my first tour in Japan and I'm 86 years old now and I
still ride a bicycle. Granted I don't do many of those 100 mile rides
but a 100 Km ride is still within my capability.

>Your rather poor command of English or your increasing dementia apparently keeps you from remembering that we were actually in combat and not like you - pissing your pants just to fly in that pile of junk which was nothing more than a B29 with bigger engines on it and a bigger tail to offset the increased torque of those engines that had to be rebuilt almost every flight which is why they didn't fly them.

You were actually in combat? You, an airman 3rd class with a 3 level
skill were flying in combat.... You have a very vivid imagination!

What's next? A tale about how you were awarded a medal for your combat
flight?

--

Cheers,

John B.

[Duane]

When I was a kid I spent a few weeks in Montana. I remember hiking around
Bear Tooth pass outside of Red Lodge. I think it was around 10,000 ft.
Coming from -7 feet in New Orleans I found it took some getting used to. I
wasn’t sick but had less stamina. Awesome place though.

I thought you could breath up to 8000 meters or so without oxygen tanks...

--
duane

[John B. Slocomb]

I worked at the Freeport copper mine, in Indonesia, during the first
year in operation when the maintenance facilities were at 10,000 ft
and the mine floor was about a 1,000 feet higher. Altitude sickness
effected everyone when they were first assigned there. The major
effects seemed to be a feeling of nausea and a head ache.

The worst part was that after they got you to the top, on a tram, they
took the passenger cab off and replaced it with a cargo platform to
haul parts and supplies up to the mine so while feeling sick you also
knew that there was no way down until quitting time.

--

Cheers,

John B.

[news18]

And therein you confirm Rides call as a sad lonely ignorant toser. Bye

[news18]

Yep, Tom wasn't there and like all fraudsters he gets tripped up what was
really happening.

Those decades were very interesting from a graphics viewpoint. at one
stage, CAD was the big job, but that was replaced by GIS(geographic
information systems) where I first saw "terrain fly throughs" and then
the "games" market over took that through the visual demands of some of
the involved games like MMORPGs. If you were in the area, DDJ (Dr Jobs
Journal) gives a good history of the code develoment behind it all.

[news18]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:48:31 +0000, Duane wrote:


> When I was a kid I spent a few weeks in Montana. I remember hiking
> around Bear Tooth pass outside of Red Lodge. I think it was around
> 10,000 ft. Coming from -7 feet in New Orleans I found it took some
> getting used to. I wasn’t sick but had less stamina. Awesome place
> though.
>
> I thought you could breath up to 8000 meters or so without oxygen
> tanks...

Keep in mind that some people climb Mt Everest without oxygen. As with
many things YMMV.

[Frank Krygowski]

Good grief, Tom. The Alpine Visitor Center in Rocky Mountain National
Park is at 11,796 feet. Look it up. My wife, kid and I walked around it
on two separate trips. The place was full of other visitors. There were
no deaths, no inability to breathe, no wakes planned. And we drove the
rest of that road, which went over 12,000 feet.

Where on earth do you get your ideas??

> Are you denying that aircraft are ALWAYS pressurized above 10,000 and that if they lose pressurization that oxygen masks automatically deploy?

I never said anything about pressurized aircraft. But I see here:
https://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/how-things-work-cabin-pressure-2870604/

"Federal Aviation Regulations say that without pressurization, pilots
begin to need oxygen when they fly above 12,500 feet for more than 30
minutes, and passengers have to use it continuously above 15,000."

Like so much else, your accounts of death at 10,000 feet appear to be
mistaken.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Mark J.]

Agree about "altitude sickness;" I never understood the phrase
"shortness of breath." I understand breathing/wheezing uncontrollably
(and simultaneously wanting to die), but there's a huge amount of
breathing going on there. Or does SOB mean something else?

The Colorado high passes are indeed, if memory serves, in the 5-6% range
(I really should just look it up). I assumed at the time it was to keep
the cars and semis from expiring/exploding; I drove our 4-cylinder Dodge
Caravan over Vail pass on I-70 (10,662 ft BTW) and was surprised I made
it, for all the complaining the van did.

I'm pretty sure Mt. Evans (paved) is an exception to the mild-grade
design, though. I never rode to the top of that either. For the record,
the flyer for the /race/ up that road says the finish is at 14,100 feet.

There were no bicycles allowed on the Pikes Peak summit road while we
lived there, for general use or events; I'm pretty sure there's an
annual bicycle event now, though the road is apparently still unpaved.
I had a fantasy of painting the mountain bike with flat-black rinse-off
poster paint, wearing dark clothes, and sneaking past the tollbooth in
the middle of the night, to reach the summit at dawn. Probably was a
bad idea.

Mark J.

[AMuzi]

On 1/19/2019 4:28 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 11:37:25 AM UTC-8, slto...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 5:15:51 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:55:49 PM UTC, slto...@gmail.com wrote:

-another big snip-

> I'm self-employed and pay both sides of FICA/FUTA and have for >25 years. I'm supporting people like you -- the SS welfare kings!
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>

kumbaya my brother.

I recently sat next to a recently retired woman in a diner
who said she's getting back a lot more than she paid in. I
found no path to explaining compound interest, the fact that
the 'other side' was her deferred wages nor that after
working 50 years she's unlikely to collect for another 50 years.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/19/2019 7:04 PM, Mark J. wrote:
>
> The Colorado high passes are indeed, if memory serves, in the 5-6% range
> (I really should just look it up).

It's the Appalachians that are steep. On one trip across Pennsylvania,
my son (who then was an 18-year-old on the soccer team) threw down his
bike on an uphill and began kicking the hill because it was so steep.

> I assumed at the time it was to keep
> the cars and semis from expiring/exploding; I drove our 4-cylinder Dodge
> Caravan over Vail pass on I-70 (10,662 ft BTW) and was surprised I made
> it, for all the complaining the van did.

Our first trip up Trail Ridge Road in RMNP was driving a 1985 Honda
Civic station wagon with a tandem plus a single bike on the roof, my
mountain bike on the back, and pulling a camping trailer. That little
engine worked it's heart out, but it did the job... slowly.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[jbeattie]

If we had a sovereign wealth fund, we'd be eating like kings! https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/09/21/norways-sovereign-wealth-fund-passes-the-1trn-mark F'n Norwegians!

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B. Slocomb]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 23:27:23 -0000 (UTC), news18 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

"Doctor Dobb's" wasn't it :-?
--

Cheers,

John B.

[news18]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:29:13 +0700, John B. Slocomb wrote:


>>Those decades were very interesting from a graphics viewpoint. at one
>>stage, CAD was the big job, but that was replaced by GIS(geographic
>>information systems) where I first saw "terrain fly throughs" and then
>>the "games" market over took that through the visual demands of some of
>>the involved games like MMORPGs. If you were in the area, DDJ (Dr Jobs
>>Journal) gives a good history of the code develoment behind it all.
>
> "Doctor Dobb's" wasn't it :-?

Yes,

[slto...@gmail.com]

I seem to remember it as 1986 or so. It was the fist time an 8008 came out. Later I increased the size and power by using the 8080. The IBM's were the most powerful available. Since De. Mullis didn't have any money in his research grant for that he was stuck giving me the project instead of the two PhD's. That didn't make them exactly my friends and the moment I finished the final product I was out the door.

I later got a job with another company and made a liquid handler with 50 times the ability.

[slto...@gmail.com]

Which was my point. In that Pro race that they used to have in Colorado, the altitude was so high that the racers - even the Chileans - were carrying 28 tooth cogs in the late 80's. And the speeds up the climbs were something that I could do around here.

[slto...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 4:12:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:

I calculated my SS and simple interest of only 2% I think and I came out to being 92 before I would become Jay's "burden on society".

[slto...@gmail.com]

There was some sort of ride there that went up all of the local steep hills and I don't know anything around here like those. But ours are MUCH longer

[Frank Krygowski]

I'm not heavily into computer technology, but I bet there are people
here who would be very interested in exactly how you did the job of two
IBM supercomputers with an 8008 microprocessor. Or even an 8080.

Can you give us the technical details, please?


--
- Frank Krygowski

[slto...@gmail.com]

Because you have no technical knowledge and no understanding of human desires you ain't enough to know that it didn't require a large computer to begin with but two PhD's wanted a nice Supercomputer of their own.

The project they proposed would have cost $10 Million in 1986 dollars when Dr. Mullis had about one and a half.

You don't have any technical knowledge but you know the difference between an 8008 and an 8080. So tell us what those differences were.