The World Dream of Frank and Jay

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Tom Kunich

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Nov 24, 2021, 11:24:20 AM11/24/21
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jbeattie

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Nov 24, 2021, 12:20:57 PM11/24/21
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On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 8:24:20 AM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/11/24/opinion-mayhem-on-oakland-streets-as-police-resources-dwindle/?utm_email=546C349FC5455429E5B34485B4&g2i_eui=4w%2beVdKj1nsxTkm6wCqOygkCbGO%2fH%2fYZ&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=546C349FC5455429E5B34485B4&active=no&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2021%2f11%2f24%2fopinion-mayhem-on-oakland-streets-as-police-resources-dwindle%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual

What a shit hole! Why aren't you out there with your guns keeping the streets safe? With your staggering intellect, incredible physical strength and considerable fire-power, you should be saving Oakland. Instead, you're out lapping the same old streets on your bike -- grinding along, trying to hit a meager 5K. What a loser. Dump the bikes and go save the world! https://live.staticflickr.com/7384/9321820509_77e2fa5f38_b.jpg I'm hoping for the Girl Scouts in Portland. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/98/56/1c98561654ab32dd991cb2d0093bba74.jpg

Also, try not to pull a gun on a cop. That didn't turn out so well for you the last time. http://sanleandrotalk.voxpublica.org/2013/07/20/no-good-deed-goes-unpunished-slpd-handcuffs-good-samaritan-ransacks-his-home-over-100-year-old-gun/

-- Jay Beattie.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 24, 2021, 1:07:23 PM11/24/21
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Tell me Jay, why would I need a gun? I could kill you easily without a gun. Do you know what the REAL people are? When I fell yesterday out on a gravel path in the middle of nowhere, I lost my phone without realizing it. I got to the end of the gravel and going through the gate I discovered that my phone had bounced out. So I carefully reversed my course all the way home and getting there I called my phone which was immediately answered on the first ring. It was a man that was out riding gravel along the same path and found the phone. He called Verizon in an effort to find out who owns it. In any case I drove 16 miles and picked up my phone at a multi-million dollar plus home in the Hayward hills. THIS is the real world of which you're not part of.

Tell me, at what point did you surmise that I pulled a gun on a cop? What would cause you to lie like that? The article was self descriptive and yet you lie after showing the exact opposite? Exactly what is going on in your head?

jbeattie

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Nov 24, 2021, 4:29:40 PM11/24/21
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Well, I'm sorry for any misreporting, but this is what you said:

"I went over and opened the door with relief and told him he could come in. He saw me placing my pistol back in its holster and taking it back into my bedroom. Apparently he told me to stop and drop my gun from out in the driveway but I was too far away to hear him with the TV on and the young woman crying. I came back out and he was still standing outside so I went our to explain what was going on. I was wearing a T-shirt and pants and it was obvious that I didn’t have any sort of weapon on me. He drew his large caliber pistol and pointed it at my head from about a foot away. He demanded that I sit on the lawn until other officers appeared and then they HANDCUFFED ME!!! And made me sit out on the curb with all of the neighbors looking out and seeing the police leading me around in handcuffs. If they were so afraid that I might have a hidden weapon why didn’t they frisk me or even ask for an ID? This was done for one reason only – to give themselves time to ransack through my home looking for other possible weapons or drug or some such. And yet without a search warrant this was completely and totally illegal."

You opened your door to address a police officer while holding a handgun -- which seems like a stupid move. No? I would have put the gun down (and into the closest drawer) before opening the door -- and I would have turned off the TV -- and maybe combed my hair.

And are you threatening me? If so, I am now shooting you with my AR15 because I feel in danger for my life. You are dead, and with your obvious mental issues and issues with the police, I was totally justified.

And what about your phone and gravel crash? I rode five miles with a broken hand to get to a phone. I've ridden with a separated shoulder, broken ribs, facial lacerations -- all with no phone. I broke a crank riding out to Sauvie Island and had to pedal with one leg/scooter home 13 miles with no phone. FYI, it is really hard pedaling with one leg and trying to find some place to put your other leg. That's the real world -- one leg pedaling. I've also ridden in an ortho boot, which is like one-leg pedaling, but at least you have a place to put your other leg.

You don't know the real world. This is the real world: https://tinyurl.com/bhd9sx4r The Rock Garden Tavern where they graciously gave me some ice for my broken hand. Thank you tavern people.

-- Jay Beattie.










Tom Kunich

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Nov 24, 2021, 4:47:24 PM11/24/21
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I hate to tell you this but there isn't a single law against holding a gun in my hand on my own property without even so much as that moron being able to interpret it as any sort of threat since I was not pointing it at him and was clearly putting it back into its holster.

Exactly why are you so afraid of guns? The FBI were interested in the reaction of this cop and now have his name on record. The San Leandro police reacted by pulling this guy's gun and making his job public relations at the farmer's market and it appears that he quit.

So everyone including his own police department found his reactions illegal. For a lawyer why is it that you don't know the law?

jbeattie

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Nov 24, 2021, 7:41:03 PM11/24/21
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Who is talking about the law. It is a stupid idea to greet the police with a weapon in your hand. No? And I have more guns than you, unless you have a freakish amount of guns. I'm not afraid of them -- well, some are pretty old, and I'd be afraid to shoot them.


jbeattie

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Nov 24, 2021, 7:41:04 PM11/24/21
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Sir Ridesalot

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Nov 24, 2021, 8:19:42 PM11/24/21
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Tom's damn lucky to to have been shot by the police.

Cheers

Tom Kunich

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Nov 25, 2021, 10:08:29 AM11/25/21
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So exactly why were you treating this as if I were breaking the law? That guy is probably no longer a cop anywhere since that blemish on his record would stop any PD from hiring him. You were perfectly willing to complain about the cops when it was them leaving BLM and Antifa alone as they burned your city, but somehow an obvious fool with a gun hiding behind a badge is OK as long as I was at the receiving end.

You have a lot of guns but Rittenhouse isn't allowed to in the mind of the great lawyer who is even willing to defame a jury finding. Why don't you volunteer to help re-charge Rittenhouse?

Tom Kunich

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Nov 25, 2021, 10:09:47 AM11/25/21
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Look, it's Frank's twin.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:03:54 PM11/25/21
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:07:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>When I fell yesterday out on a gravel path in the middle of nowhere, I lost my phone without realizing it. I got to the end of the gravel and going through the gate I discovered that my phone had bounced out. So I carefully reversed my course all the way home and getting there I called my phone which was immediately answered on the first ring. It was a man that was out riding gravel along the same path and found the phone. He called Verizon in an effort to find out who owns it. In any case I drove 16 miles and picked up my phone at a multi-million dollar plus home in the Hayward hills.

Amazing. I see a few things that aren't quite right.

1. You rode home and immediately called your smartphone number.
Calling is good, but what you should have done is fire up your
computah and use it to locate your phone. For Android:
<https://www.google.com/android/find>
and Apple:
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648>

2. I'm impressed that the person which allegedly found you phone
answered on the first ring. Normally, to answer a call, I need to
optionally unlock the phone, put my finger on the "answer" icon, and
slide (swipe) the icon sideways, before the phone will answer. I can
usually answer by the 2nd or 3rd ring. However, I'm familiar with my
phone, but the person who allegedly found your phone is not familiar
with your. It would take him some time and effort to work out the
procedure. If he caught it on the first ring, he would have had to
have been VERY familiar with whatever model phone you have. I just
tried to answer mine and was only able to do it by the 2nd ring.

3. Assuming the phone was locked, how would he know to call Verizon
instead of some other vendor? Verizon no longer attaches their logo
or name on their smartphone. See any logos on their smartphones:
<https://www.verizon.com/smartphones/>
There's also no VZW logo or name on the lock screen or the home
screen. In order to obtain the vendors name, the good Samaritan would
have had to dive into the phone, install a suitable app, and extract
the MCC/MNC country and network numbers (311/480 for Verizon).
<https://www.mcc-mnc.com>
I use Cellular-Z for the purpose on Android:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=make.more.r2d2.cellular_z>
Just in case I missed something, I just dug though the settings on my
Android 11 phone and didn't find Verizon or VZW anywhere in the
settings. I do know some tricky ways to get that info from a locked
phone, but that requires someone familiar with field test mode. So,
how did he know to call Verizon?

4. If you call Verizon and tell them you found a lost phone, your
will be told to take it to their nearest dealer or store. They can
hand the details of getting it back to its owner.

5. I was wondering why you mentioned "multi-million dollar plus home"
and that he picked up the phone on the first ring. Neither item
seemed relevant to the effective delivery of your insult. My
guess(tm) is that both tend to elevate you in status. Having your
phone found by a wealthy bicycle rider rubs off on you and raises you
status far more than having it found by a mere mortal. After all,
important people only deal with other important people. Answering on
the first ring is an indication of status because important people
expect lesser individuals to answer them immediately, thus raising you
to the status of an important person.

Next time you contrive story for the occasion, please try to make it
more believable.

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John B.

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Nov 25, 2021, 6:13:17 PM11/25/21
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 15:03:46 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
Jeff, it was a miraculous occurrence. Possibly akin to that old fellow
hitting the rock with a stick and the water coming out. Just open your
eyes wide and look amazed as Tommy's "reality" is somewhat different
then other folk's.

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Cheers,

John B.

funkma...@hotmail.com

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Nov 26, 2021, 9:42:36 AM11/26/21
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"somewhat"?

funkma...@hotmail.com

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Nov 26, 2021, 10:03:50 AM11/26/21
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Why would he start now?

Jeff, since you've been participating in this forum, tommy's lies have only become more grandiose and elaborate. In recent months he gone from working at that company that created the tool used to isolate HIV to being personally involved in developing a cure for AIDS.

Would we not be the least bit surprised to find out the owner of that hayward hills mansion was the owner of the most successful data security software company in silicon valley who has positive proof that millions of voting machines in the USA were hacked to steal the election, and this owner also has proof positive that COVID-19 is a fabricated crises, and that this owner shared proprietary information with a random old dude whose phone he found, that was unlocked so that he could use it to call verizon? And that tommy helped him solve a software bug that had been plaguing a new product launch in a few minutes over a glass of the most expensive japanese whiskey ever produced?

Seriously jeff, you aren't thinking clearly.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:04:25 AM11/26/21
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Need you always be so ignorant? I looked carefully all the way back and so didn't need to know where the phone is since it was so obviously picked up by someone. It is pretty clear that you don't have any friends that might call you because you don't need to unlock anything to answer and incoming call. Always showing your supreme stupidity, on the unlock page, it SAYS Verizon. Why are you posting if you don't know this? Again, what do you know about Verizon? Apparently nothing since they said that they could only give the non-owner the phone number which was not helpful

As usual your idiocy ranges into the area where you cannot see the relevancy of a person who lives in a multimillion dollar near mansion walking on a bay trail, or perhaps riding since his car had a bicycle carrier on top.

Would you mind tell all of the people here why you would make such a posting from a point of absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE OF ANYTHING?

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:06:17 AM11/26/21
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I see you're back to your old self again just when you were beginning to see that the Democrats like Jeff, Frank and Jay are literally destroying this country which would mean the end of your military retirement. But continue on making a fool out of yourself.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:07:53 AM11/26/21
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Well clearly you agree with Beto O'Rourk that what this country needs is a gun ban. You queers all stick together. Cum is very sticky I suppose.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 26, 2021, 12:03:22 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:06:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I see you're back to your old self again just when you were beginning to see that the Democrats like Jeff, Frank and Jay are literally destroying this country which would mean the end of your military retirement. But continue on making a fool out of yourself.

Wrong. I'm a registered Republican.

By the way, nice change of subject to something you're familiar with.
It also looks like you're back to following the template I created for
you. No need to thank me.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 1:23:37 PM11/26/21
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On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 9:03:22 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:06:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I see you're back to your old self again just when you were beginning to see that the Democrats like Jeff, Frank and Jay are literally destroying this country which would mean the end of your military retirement. But continue on making a fool out of yourself.
> Wrong. I'm a registered Republican.
>
> By the way, nice change of subject to something you're familiar with.
> It also looks like you're back to following the template I created for
> you. No need to thank me.

If that were so why are you spreading the radical Democrat socialist line?

When the Pilgrims came to Plymouth Rock they were SOCIALISTS as were the people in Jamestown. Both colonies almost starved to death before the American Indian demonstrated the worth of Free Enterprise Capitalism to them. They changed from socialism to capitalism and because totally successful. So why are you such an ardent supporter of socialism and the lie and lie and lie that you've been repeating with every one of your stupid postings?

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 1:25:32 PM11/26/21
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On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 9:03:22 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:06:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I see you're back to your old self again just when you were beginning to see that the Democrats like Jeff, Frank and Jay are literally destroying this country which would mean the end of your military retirement. But continue on making a fool out of yourself.
> Wrong. I'm a registered Republican.
>
> By the way, nice change of subject to something you're familiar with.
> It also looks like you're back to following the template I created for
> you. No need to thank me.

There is your lie again - you're the one that claimed my message was a pack of lies. What's it feel like to be a cripple on the edge of death?

sms

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Nov 26, 2021, 4:03:40 PM11/26/21
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Perhaps the finder was able to unlock the phone, go to settings, and
look at the APN.

> I use Cellular-Z for the purpose on Android:
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=make.more.r2d2.cellular_z>

Good app.

<snip>

> 5. I was wondering why you mentioned "multi-million dollar plus home"
> and that he picked up the phone on the first ring. Neither item
> seemed relevant to the effective delivery of your insult. My
> guess(tm) is that both tend to elevate you in status. Having your
> phone found by a wealthy bicycle rider rubs off on you and raises you
> status far more than having it found by a mere mortal.

A "multi-million dollar plus home" is not all that impressive in Silicon
Valley, lots of 1960's tract homes on small lots fall into that
category. Come January 1, the values of those homes will increase
significantly as SB-9 becomes law.

> After all,
> important people only deal with other important people. Answering on
> the first ring is an indication of status because important people
> expect lesser individuals to answer them immediately, thus raising you
> to the status of an important person.
>
> Next time you contrive story for the occasion, please try to make it
> more believable.

LOL, he didn't realize that there were people like you that could easily
debunk his story.

As an aside, it's a good idea to put some contact information on your
phone case, an e-mail address or a different phone number, so you can be
contacted if someone finds your phone. And put that on the lock screen
as well. I've found lost phones and it's hard to find the owner because
there's no identifying information.

On Android there's a Lock Screen setting that lets you add contact
information. On iPhone it's more of a hassle, you have to use something
like Microsoft Paint to create wallpaper with your contact information
added, see
<https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>.

If Tom's story is true, then he was lucky that someone answered the
phone and that the battery didn't discharge before someone found it.

And of course, as you state, you can always use your computer to find
your phone (as long as it's on).

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 4:46:20 PM11/26/21
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Scharf, you are a moron. Why do you think you know anything about any of this? Because you own a smartphone? This plainly shows why no one would vote for you again.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 26, 2021, 5:02:45 PM11/26/21
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Well, Jay, Frank, John and Scharf all being good little sheep have all gotten their vaccines so within 5 years we'll see the end of them. My own risk assessment since I didn't take the vaccine and have low levels of health risks is 1% so I will feel so bad when you're gone.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 5:51:30 PM11/26/21
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I'm trying to be polite (:-)
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Cheers,

John B.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:05:00 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:06:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>I see you're back to your old self again just when you were beginning to see that the Democrats out of yourself"like Jeff, Frank and Jay are literally destroying this country which would mean the end of your military retirement. But continue on making a fool out of yourself.

As I have told you a number of times. I do not, and never did, receive
a single penny of my military retirement.

I realize that you have difficulties in understanding what you read
but I just can't make it any simpler.

As for "making a fool" I really do find it so difficult to compete
with you. I envision you prancing around in the blue "skin suit with a
big red "SF" emblazoned on the chest. SUPER FOOL.
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Cheers,

John B.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:07:21 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:07:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
"Cum is very sticky I suppose"??? Just ask "jerk off Tom" for details.
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Cheers,

John B.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 6:12:58 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 14:02:43 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
"vaccines? 5 years?" Tommy you really are "Slip slidin' away" as the
song has it. Right into the arms of dementia. Or, as my grandmother
used to say "batty as a bedbug"
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Cheers,

John B.

sms

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Nov 26, 2021, 7:14:45 PM11/26/21
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On 11/26/2021 3:12 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> "vaccines? 5 years?" Tommy you really are "Slip slidin' away" as the
> song has it. Right into the arms of dementia. Or, as my grandmother
> used to say "batty as a bedbug"

A lot of the people are struggling with the fact that to get the vaccine
would require that they admit that they were wrong. Tom is in that
predicament.

Sadly, the only thing that seems to cause people like that to get over
that reluctance to admit they're wrong is when a loved one who drank the
Koolaid and didn't get vaccinated is dying of Covid and begs them to get
vaccinated, or the family left behind begs everyone to get vaccinated.

<https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/lake-stevens-washington-father-dies-of-covid-19-children-plead-for-vaccinations/281-3ddee3a2-6fec-42a8-9ff6-e6b1c37f4ce4>.

<https://www.scarymommy.com/couple-refuses-vaccine-dies-covid/>

AMuzi

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Nov 26, 2021, 7:54:33 PM11/26/21
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As I've written here several times previously, the mRNA
products are helpful but not as effective as is often
assumed or claimed.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Note USA numbers have been suspect for 18 months, GB numbers
are generally accepted as more representative of actual
experience.

So, yes, there's a benefit, not a panacea. YMMV and mine
surely does.

p.s. virue-signalling face rags updates:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-covid-19-mask-guidance-1.6261032

https://www.cato.org/working-paper/evidence-community-cloth-face-masking-limit-spread-sars-cov-2-critical-review

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 8:06:28 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 16:14:40 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:
To me at least, the interesting thing is that when you join the
Military, no matter what branch, you get a "whole bunch" of shots
which you cannot refuse. And they get updated regularly. AND, if you
are transferred to an overseas assignment you got even more. When I
went to Vietnam I got shots, and had to come back the next day for
more, and even got a "Plague shot".

So, here is Tommy who claims to have been in the service and worried
about shots.

Of course, the maximum military penalty for "failure to obey a lawful
order" can be "a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and
allowances, and confinement for two years" which, one might suggest,
is a bit more severe then simply making a fool of yourself on the
Internet (:-)
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Cheers,

John B.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 9:22:36 PM11/26/21
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I've mentioned this before but my Cardiologist commented during my
last visit that the usual Cold Season colds and flue seem to be non
existent this year. Note here that masks are worn by just about 100%
of the population in Bangkok.
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Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi

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Nov 26, 2021, 9:45:06 PM11/26/21
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I don't know but correlation has proved elusive.
Vermont for example is #1 in USA for mRNA shots to old and
elderly, very mask compliant and yet:

https://vermontbiz.com/news/2021/november/23/vdh-covid-cases-down-30-deaths-november

"Vermont is a national leader in its vaccination rate,
testing rate, hospitalization rate and death rate."

Another take on that:
https://www.barrons.com/articles/vermont-is-a-vaccination-star-why-cases-are-rising-there-and-what-it-means-for-investors-51637832624

Meanwhile US deaths from CCP virus are higher in 2021 than
in 2020:
https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/us-covid-19-deaths-in-2021-surpass-2020s-11637498523776.html

Draw any conclusions you like.I don't know.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 10:15:16 PM11/26/21
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On the other hand Vermont has the lowest rate of infection of the 48
states and the lowest death rate of the entire U.S. (:-)

>Meanwhile US deaths from CCP virus are higher in 2021 than
>in 2020:
>https://www.livemint.com/politics/news/us-covid-19-deaths-in-2021-surpass-2020s-11637498523776.html
>
>Draw any conclusions you like.I don't know.
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Cheers,

John B.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 26, 2021, 10:44:56 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:04:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>on the unlock page, it SAYS Verizon

Nope. I just checked 5 Verizon Android phones:
Phone Android
Original Moto G 5.1
Samsung S4 SCH-I545 5.0.1
Moto Z XT1650 8.0
Google Nexus 1 10.
Moto G Power (2020) 11.
None of the 5 Android phones show Verizon or VZW on either the "lock
screen" or the "home page".

I just found an AT&T phone.
Phone Android
Samsung Galaxy S10e 11.
No "ATT" on lock or home screens. ATT does appear during boot.

However, all the but the Moto G Power briefly showed a "Verizon" page
during booting on power on. For the person who found your phone to
have seen this, they would have had to turn off the phone, turn it
back on, and wait for the Verizon logo. The problem is that they
would then need to unlock the phone in order to use the phone.
However, they could answer the phone when it rings without unlocking.

For entertainment, please note the following pages of Verizon lock
screens and home pages:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon+lock+screen&tbm=isch>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=verizon+home+screen&tbm=isch>
Most of the pages do NOT show "Verizon" except for 2 situations:
1. The various Verizon apps installed by default and which cannot be
easily removed.
2. A red "Verizon" on a white background, were indicative of a bug 4
years ago that froze the boot processes at the page.

My Moto G Power does NOT show a "Verizon" page on boot.

On some earlier Android versions, VZW would appear in the upper left
of the screen. I didn't see that on any of the phones I checked.
<https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/80a9ji/why_is_my_carrier_logo_like_this_its_only_on_my/>

On some really old phones, Verizon would inscribe it's name or logo on
the back of the phone. Three of the phones had the manufacturers logo
or name on the back, but no Verizon. My guess(tm) is that a Verizon
name or logo might have been a problem for users wanting to switch
carriers.

It would be helpful if you would disclose the maker and model of your
smartphone.

So, that leaves us with the original question. How did the person who
found your phone know to call Verizon? I doubt that you left the
phone unlocked as that would leave the phone open to inspection by
anyone. If it were a recent smartphone, it would have face ID,
fingerprint, pattern, PIN, or other form of authentication. If you
had left it unlocked, they would have needed to have some rather
arcane knowledge of how the MCC/MNC country and network numbers worked
and how to find them.

Next time you contrive a story designed to make you look good, please
try to make it believable.

Jeff Liebermann

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:03:37 -0800, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

>Perhaps the finder was able to unlock the phone, go to settings, and
>look at the APN.

Good idea. On Android 11, try:
Settings -> Networks & Internet -> Mobile Network
-> Advanced -> Access Point Names
Mine shows: TRACFONE XXXXXXX

Incidentally, using several SIM Information type apps, the Operator
Name is "Not Available". I recall this appeared in Android 10 when
Google decided that having apps read some records on the SIM card was
a bad idea.

>> I use Cellular-Z for the purpose on Android:
>> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=make.more.r2d2.cellular_z>
>
>Good app.

Yep. Also try LTE Discovery:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.simplyadvanced.ltediscovery>
It's a bit buggy, but still useful. You may have to kill the app
after exit as it continues to run with no way to cleanly exit.
Settings -> Apps -> LTE Discovery -> Force Stop

>> Next time you contrive story for the occasion, please try to make it
>> more believable.

>LOL, he didn't realize that there were people like you that could easily
>debunk his story.

Well, I think he knew. He fabricates stories and events quite often.
It's mostly a question of whether anyone cares enough to point out the
errors and problems. What bothers me is why he does it so often? A
day doesn't pass without revisionist history, amazing facts, superior
expertise, and financial gains. Approximately 1/3 of all postings in
RBT are authored by Tom. My guess(tm) is he's trying to attract
attention. Post something wrong and everyone (including me)
immediately offers a correction. Fairly soon, he's the center of
attention. I've spent most of my life trying to avoid being the
center of attention, but Tom seeks the opposite.

>As an aside, it's a good idea to put some contact information on your
>phone case, an e-mail address or a different phone number, so you can be
>contacted if someone finds your phone.

Done. I have a clear vinyl crash protector on my phone. I slide my
business card between the back of the phone and the case, so it's
easily visible.

>And put that on the lock screen as well.

Also Done. See below.

>I've found lost phones and it's hard to find the owner because
>there's no identifying information.
>
>On Android there's a Lock Screen setting that lets you add contact
>information. On iPhone it's more of a hassle, you have to use something
>like Microsoft Paint to create wallpaper with your contact information
>added, see
><https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>.

Too much trouble. I prefer:
Settings -> Search for "Add text on lock screen"
I have too much info on the lock screen, so it scrolls back the text
like a Time Square sign. I just tweaked it to my full name, home
phone, and email address.

>If Tom's story is true, then he was lucky that someone answered the
>phone and that the battery didn't discharge before someone found it.

Yep. However, most people have a few spare chargers left over from
previous phones. Then the problem is reduced to micro-USB, USB-C, or
Apple Lightning connector.

>And of course, as you state, you can always use your computer to find
>your phone (as long as it's on).

That's what I do when I get involved in a lost phone problem. The
problem is that I need their Google login and password in order to
find their phone. Most people are willing to tell me these, but since
logins are almost automatic these days, the don't recall either. I
then go to a machine which they have used to login to their account,
and fish out the info from their browser saved logins. So much for
security.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:43:47 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:46:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scharf, you are a moron. Why do you think you know anything about any of this? Because you own a smartphone? This plainly shows why no one would vote for you again.

He's probably too modest to mention it, but he was very helpful in the
past answering questions in other Usenet newsgroups concerning phones.
This is a spreadsheet of MVNO's (mobile virtual network operators) he
built to help find cheaper alternatives to the major carriers:
<http://tinyurl.com/mvnocomparison>
It's old and many things have changed, but still useful, especially
for knowing what to look for and ask the vendors.

I'm beginning to suspect that you don't really own a smartphone. IF
you did, you would probably be posting links to Strava maps of your
impressive daily bicycle rides. $5/month. Talk to your financial
advisor to determine if you can afford it.

John B.

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Nov 26, 2021, 11:51:58 PM11/26/21
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 20:23:52 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:
There is a known mental condition that, whether Tommy technically
suffers from or not, describe his actions to a degree that would, at
least, seem to indicate that it is his problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
"a mental disorder characterized by a life-long pattern of exaggerated
feelings of self-importance, an excessive craving for admiration, and
a diminished ability to empathize with other's feelings. Narcissistic
personality disorder is one of the eleven sub-types of the broader
category known as personality disorders."
and
"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth
Edition(DSM-5, 2013) describes NPD as possessing at least five of the
following nine criteria.

A grandiose sense of self-importance
Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
beauty, or ideal love
Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions)
Requiring excessive admiration
A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially
favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to
achieve their own ends)
Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
and needs of others)
Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of
them
Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes"

Or, as my grandmother used to say "batty as a bedbug" (:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

sms

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Nov 27, 2021, 9:36:31 AM11/27/21
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On 11/26/2021 1:03 PM, sms wrote:

<snip>

> On Android there's a Lock Screen setting that lets you add contact
> information. On iPhone it's more of a hassle, you have to use something
> like Microsoft Paint to create wallpaper with your contact information
> added, see
> <https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>.

Someone in another Usenet group was insisting that being able to put
your contact information onto an iPhone's lock screen was unnecessary,
because of "Lost Mode." To activate Lost Mode," an iPhone user logs into
their iCloud account from a computer or other Apple device and pushes
contact information onto the iPhone's lock screen.

I decided to test out "Lost Mode" on my iPhone Xr. I went to
<https://www.icloud.com/>, entered my login name and password, but it
required 2FA (two-factor authentication) by sending a six digit code to
my iPhone (or other Apple device).

So to activate "Lost Mode" you first have to find your iPhone and enter
the six digit code, then lose it again (unless you have another Apple
device with the same Apple ID).

I ended up using the "lock-screen-wallpaper" kludge
<https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>
so my contact information can be on the lock screen, but it's amazing
that something so simple to do in "Settings" on an Android device is so
kludgy on iOS.

Alas, this is not the only weird omission on iOS.

---------------------------------------------------------------
When ignorance screams, intelligence shuts up — Akhilesh Sengar
---------------------------------------------------------------

sms

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Nov 27, 2021, 10:07:51 AM11/27/21
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On 11/26/2021 8:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:46:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scharf, you are a moron. Why do you think you know anything about any of this? Because you own a smartphone? This plainly shows why no one would vote for you again.
>
> He's probably too modest to mention it, but he was very helpful in the
> past answering questions in other Usenet newsgroups concerning phones.
> This is a spreadsheet of MVNO's (mobile virtual network operators) he
> built to help find cheaper alternatives to the major carriers:
> <http://tinyurl.com/mvnocomparison>
> It's old and many things have changed, but still useful, especially
> for knowing what to look for and ask the vendors.

Someone did an interactive database of this at
<https://prepaidcompare.net/> so no need to keep updating that
spreadsheet. I forgot about it. I took it down.

As you stated, many things have changed. Now that Verizon bought
Tracfone, things will probably change a lot again.

For light users the 360 day Red Pocket/Verizon plan is now probably the
best deal (1GB, 1000 minutes, unlimited SMS for $7 per 30 days)
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/133051277200>.

I have four users on a 100GB/month shared Total Wireless plan for a
little under $100 per month. We use only about ¼ of that 100GB but it's
the least expensive 4 line plan on Verizon's network that provides
sufficient data. I don't even bother with Wi-Fi data on my phone anymore.

I suspect that living where you do you're on Verizon service whether
through an MVNO or direct, the coverage differences between carriers are
significant in your area <https://i.imgur.com/t8t7Xy2.png>.



sms

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Nov 27, 2021, 10:28:15 AM11/27/21
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On 11/26/2021 8:51 PM, John B. wrote:

<snip>
> A grandiose sense of self-importance
> Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance,
> beauty, or ideal love
> Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be
> understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
> people (or institutions)
> Requiring excessive admiration
> A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially
> favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
> Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to
> achieve their own ends)
> Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings
> and needs of others)
> Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of
> them
> Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes"

Hmm, sounds like our previous president.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:02:35 AM11/27/21
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On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:05:00 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>
> As I have told you a number of times. I do not, and never did, receive
> a single penny of my military retirement.

Perhaps you'd like to tell us why you denied ever saying that before to the point that you deleted the message in which you first stated that?

The ONLY way that you wouldn't get a military retirement after 20 years is if you got a dishonorable discharge. So that pretty much shows you for what you actually are. No wonder you've haven't returned to the States.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:06:27 AM11/27/21
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More bullshit from the bullshitter? When I joined the service I did get a lot of vaccinations. But I never got any additional ones when I went overseas and they were not "updated" as I completed my tern of service.

Duane

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:07:42 AM11/27/21
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Try going to iCloud.com from a PC.

For lock mode to work the Find my iPhone option has to be enabled. Then
once it’s lost you can activate lock mode from another IOS device directly
or your iCloud account online. You can also remotely wipe the data etc.



Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:08:47 AM11/27/21
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Why do you insist on crapping all over yourself? When I push the on button I get Verizon and the time and the place to put my fingerprint. But you can say anything you like since you're so well informed.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:11:08 AM11/27/21
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On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 8:43:47 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 13:46:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Scharf, you are a moron. Why do you think you know anything about any of this? Because you own a smartphone? This plainly shows why no one would vote for you again.
> He's probably too modest to mention it, but he was very helpful in the
> past answering questions in other Usenet newsgroups concerning phones.
> This is a spreadsheet of MVNO's (mobile virtual network operators) he
> built to help find cheaper alternatives to the major carriers:
> <http://tinyurl.com/mvnocomparison>
> It's old and many things have changed, but still useful, especially
> for knowing what to look for and ask the vendors.
>
> I'm beginning to suspect that you don't really own a smartphone. IF
> you did, you would probably be posting links to Strava maps of your
> impressive daily bicycle rides. $5/month. Talk to your financial
> advisor to determine if you can afford it.

Well, all you have to do is to go to the Vaccines posting I made to see the end of your own life galloping at you. Believe me, you won't be missed.

AMuzi

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:13:07 AM11/27/21
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Previous? This is BHOs 3d term. Enjoy.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 11:17:23 AM11/27/21
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In an interview Obama SAID that he would like to have a third term but only if he could hide in the background and pull the strings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI2Xtqd4Mts

sms

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Nov 27, 2021, 12:59:17 PM11/27/21
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On 11/27/2021 8:07 AM, Duane wrote:

<snip>

> Try going to iCloud.com from a PC.

That's what I did to test Lost Mode. I used my Windows PC. iCloud sent a
2FA code in order to log into iCloud to activate "Lost Mode." The code
showed up on my iPhone and iPad.

If my iPhone were lost, and I didn't have another Apple device, or if
the other device was not available at the time, I would not be able to
activate Lost Mode. But iCloud did let me use find my iPhone even
without entering the 2FA code. I guess this is a marketing tool,
encouraging iPhone owners to buy more Apple devices!

The other thing you can do on the iPhone is to put your contact
information into your Medical ID. The Medical ID can be viewed without
unlocking the iPhone as long as whoever finds it knows how to get to it
(swipe up, click on "Emergency" then click on "Medical ID"), but I'd
wager that other than emergency personnel, not many iPhone users know
about this (or have ever entered any information into their Medical ID).

In any case, I went and created wallpaper with my contact information.
used Microsoft Paint, setting the width and height to the pixel count of
my phone's screen, see <https://i.imgur.com/nj1qrzt.png>.

It's annoying that the more expensive iPhones have a poorer and less
flexible implementation than Android devices, requiring the kludge of
creating custom wallpaper to do something that is easily accomplished on
Android.

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 27, 2021, 1:57:46 PM11/27/21
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 08:08:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:04:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >on the unlock page, it SAYS Verizon

>(insults deleted) When I push the on button I get Verizon and the time and the place to put my fingerprint.

Amazing. None of the Google Images photos of the lock screen on
phones equipped with in-display fingerprint sensors seem to show the
carrier's name on the lock screen:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=in-display+fingerprint+lock+screen&tbm=isch>
I'm really starting to wonder if you own a smartphone?
Did you find the maker and model number of your phone yet?

Note that in 2015, Google and Verizon did add "VERIZON WIRELESS" on
the top line of the lock screen:
<https://community.verizon.com/t5/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Series/how-do-i-remove-the-VERIZON-WIRELESS-banner-from-the-lock-screen/td-p/729229>
Skimming the forums, there were quite a few complaints because it made
a mess of the icons displayed on the same line. In about 2018, when
phones appeared with a "notch" in the same area, Google shrank the
size of the icons and Verizon re-inserted their name in the upper left
corner on some phones. Of the 15 phones with a notch reviewed by
CNET, only one (Apple iPhone XR) had Verizon on the lock screen:
<https://www.cnet.com/pictures/phones-with-notches/3/>
More recent images of the iPhone XR do not have Verizon on the lock
screen. Besides, the iPhone XR does not have an in-display
fingerprint sensor, so you probably don't have one.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 3:47:59 PM11/27/21
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Well, obviously to you and John, I must be lying. Even though you didn't even bother to actually look at your own reference: https://wccftech.com/in-screen-fingerprint-reader-explained/ This is nothing more than yet another demonstration that you are a piece of garbage and will never be anything else. After John spent ALL of that time saying that he never said that he hadn't drawn his military retirement, he said it again. Just like you - he is a complete moron. You don't "draw" a retirement, as long as the service has your bank account number it is put into your account automatically. The ONLY way you can't draw your retirement pay is if you DIDN'T put in 20 or 30 years or you had a dishonorable discharge.

An John DENIED that a B50 was a B29-D with no changes at all - renamed ONLY to get an extended contract. We also had John say that he was in Vietnam proper when there were NO bomber bases there whatsoever.

Looks to me like all of you big mouthed idiots have to say is lies. Does that somehow make you feel important when everyone can see right through them?

sms

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Nov 27, 2021, 4:05:00 PM11/27/21
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On 11/27/2021 10:57 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> screen. Besides, the iPhone XR does not have an in-display
> fingerprint sensor, so you probably don't have one.

On the lock screen on my Samsung Galaxy Note 9, the lock screen says
Verizon in the upper left hand corner. But the phone is on an MVNO, Red
Pocket, using the Verizon network. Contacting Verizon with the IMEI or
the SIM card number would not help someone that found my phone get it
back to me.

The lock screen on my iPhone Xr shows "TFW" in the upper left hand
corner. That phone is on a Tracfone brand, Total Wireless. Again, there
is really no way someone could get that phone back to me just by knowing
the SIM card number or the IMEI, since Tracfone customer support would
almost certainly be unwilling to do anything to track down the owner.

Bottom line is that it's a good idea to put some contact information on
the lock screen of your phone.

Android: Settings > Lock Screen > Contact Information then enter up to
65 characters

iOS: Create lock screen wallpaper (see
<https://www.lifewire.com/add-contact-info-to-lock-screen-wallpaper-1701950>).

Jeff Liebermann

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Nov 27, 2021, 5:05:37 PM11/27/21
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:47:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Well, obviously to you and John, I must be lying.

It's not obvious that you're lying. It's just highly likely based on
some proof and logic I've provided. I don't accuse people of anything
unless I can provide examples and proof of how I reached my
conclusions.

>Even though you didn't even bother to actually look at your own reference: https://wccftech.com/in-screen-fingerprint-reader-explained/

You lie (again). I never referenced a wccftech.com URL. The only
reference that Google Groups finds in RBT with that domain is your
posting (and probably this reply):
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=wccftech.com>
Post the message ID or Google Groups link that points to where I
posted that URL. Also, there's nothing in that URL that shows Verizon
or VZW on any screen.

>Does that somehow make you feel important when everyone can see right through them?

I doubt that anyone in RBT, except perhaps you Tom, has the need to
feel important. As long as someone can answer the questions, solve
the problems, and effectively defend their point of view, it doesn't
matter if they are or are not an important person. I tend to judge
people by their willingness and ability to learn new things. You fail
that test miserably. If you must feel important, then do something
important that you can be proud of, instead of lying about things
which never happened.

What I find sad is that you undermine your own efforts to become
important. Your posting are littered with multiple questionable
"facts" and unsubstantiated opinions. All it takes is reading,
research, background knowledge, logic and your "facts" become less
factual. When you are challenged or asked for details, your tendency
to evade the problems and change the subject adds even more doubt as
to your knowledge and importance. In other words, I don't need to do
anything to trash your credibility. I just point out the problems
with your "fact" and you do the rest.

Before your head explodes, please answer a simple question. Why do
you need to feel important? What benefits do being important bring to
you? I see nothing of value to be gained by attracting attention.
What do you see that I seem to have missed?

John B.

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Nov 27, 2021, 5:56:09 PM11/27/21
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 08:02:34 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 3:05:00 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>
>> As I have told you a number of times. I do not, and never did, receive
>> a single penny of my military retirement.
>
>Perhaps you'd like to tell us why you denied ever saying that before to the point that you deleted the message in which you first stated that?
>

No Tommy, I didn't delete anything.

>The ONLY way that you wouldn't get a military retirement after 20 years is if you got a dishonorable discharge. So that pretty much shows you for what you actually are. No wonder you've haven't returned to the States.

As I have noticed in the past you don't seem to understand what is
posted. Perhaps some adult education classes might help you to
understand the written word.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 6:02:36 PM11/27/21
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So you are so far gone that you cannot even reference your own posting just one above mine? <https://www.google.com/search?q=in-display+fingerprint+lock+screen&tbm=isch> All over that page is the sort of thing I was talking about and YOU can't find it? Are you blind? Stupid? Or just stupid blind?

I don't need to feel important you slimy bag of shit - I had all of that I need. I have a dozen companies a day asking me if I'd like to go to work in Illinois, Texas and now even Nevada for Tesla. I don't wish to work any more and be faced with "educated" morons that can't write a program to spell their own names. Intel would like me to design some microcontrollers for them but that is so time consuming I do not wish to. I would have to relearn all of the modern chip design software.

It is some piece of human garbage like you that imagines that I have any care to be important and face an entire company and the workers there depending on me to keep their jobs. This is your imagination just like Jay's sick imagination that after saying that I was slow and got a head start on some guy 50 years younger than me and he couldn't catch me until I hit a light that I was saying I was fast and not that he was slow. Neither of you apparently can read the English language. So perhaps we should send you where they can speak your language? Say the pit at San Quinton?

This is why you're approaching your end rapidly and will not be missed in the least by anyone. Isn't it time for you to go get a booster? That should about do it for you.

John B.

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Nov 27, 2021, 6:05:20 PM11/27/21
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When you went overseas?

But the resume that you so frequently brag about says that you were
stationed at Lowry AFB during the period that you "claim" to have been
on temperary duty "overseas".

So one might speculate. Did you lie about being at Lowry? Or did you
lie about being "overseas".
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 6:06:02 PM11/27/21
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And as I said - there is NO WAY you couldn't get a military retirement if you put in the time unless you had a dishonorable discharge. So perhaps you can school me in what sort of English you're speaking. I'll be waiting with fingers tapping.

Tom Kunich

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Nov 27, 2021, 6:07:43 PM11/27/21
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I'm still waiting for you to explain why you said that a B50 was different than a B29D

John B.

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Nov 27, 2021, 7:19:24 PM11/27/21
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:06:00 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
Ah Tommy! Your reading comprehension is very near zero, isn't it. In a
recent post where the subject being discussed was why a 17 year old
boy would travel to another town to defend a car dealer you interject
a comment about the German offensive into Holland some 80 years in the
past.

No Tommy, when you quit school before graduating you did the right
thing as obviously school wasn't going you any good, why, you can't
even comprehend what is written down for all the rest of the world to
see.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Duane

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Nov 28, 2021, 8:21:20 AM11/28/21
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sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/27/2021 8:07 AM, Duane wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Try going to iCloud.com from a PC.
>
> That's what I did to test Lost Mode. I used my Windows PC. iCloud sent a
> 2FA code in order to log into iCloud to activate "Lost Mode." The code
> showed up on my iPhone and iPad.
>
> If my iPhone were lost, and I didn't have another Apple device, or if
> the other device was not available at the time, I would not be able to
> activate Lost Mode. But iCloud did let me use find my iPhone even
> without entering the 2FA code. I guess this is a marketing tool,
> encouraging iPhone owners to buy more Apple devices!
>

Didn’t you get an option to send the 2FA code via email or a different SMS
number?

<snip>

sms

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Nov 28, 2021, 10:42:40 AM11/28/21
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No such option. This is what I get <https://i.imgur.com/sX