Have you ever?

[Frank Krygowski]

Bicycling - Have You Ever?

Have you ever:

- Joined a bike club?

- Ridden on a club ride?

- Led a club ride?

- Ridden your bike to a bike club meeting?

- Volunteered for a bike club committee position?

- Been a bike club officer?

- Volunteered for a bike rodeo?

- Served on a bike advocacy committee or board?

- Ran an invitational bike ride or event?

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- Read a book about bicycling?

- Written a book about bicycling?

- Had an article published in a bicycling magazine or newspaper?

- Had a photograph published in a bike magazine?

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- Taken a bicycling class?

- Taught a bicycling class?

- Practiced a rock dodge?

- Practiced emergency braking?

- Practiced an emergency evasive turn?

- Jumped your bike over a pothole?

- Been chased by a scary dog?

- Been bitten by a scary dog?

- Trained someone’s dog to not chase you?

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- Displayed a bike-themed decoration inside your house?

- Displayed a bike-themed decoration in your yard?

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- Biked to work?

- Biked to buy your groceries?

- Ridden at night for fun?

- Ridden at night for transportation?

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- Used a generator headlight?

- Put a rack on your bike?

- Put fenders on your bike?

- ... with a mudflap?

- Put a kickstand on your “good” bike?

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- Ridden a bike wearing lycra?

- Ridden a bike wearing wool instead of lycra?

- Ridden 25 miles in blue jeans?

- Ridden with toe clips?

- Ridden with clipless pedals?

- Ridden with a rain cape?

- Ridden without a helmet?

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- Repaired a flat tire?

- Adjusted a derailleur?

- Wrapped your own handlebars?

- Built a bike wheel?

- Built a bicycle frame?

- Built a bike from the frame up?

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- Ridden a racing bike?

- Ridden a fixed gear bike?

- Ridden a mountain bike?

- Ridden a recumbent?

- Ridden a tandem? As captain? As stoker?

- Ridden an adult tricycle?

- Ridden an antique “ordinary” or high wheeler?

- Ridden a unicycle?

- Ridden an eBike?

- Towed a bicycle trailer?

- Ridden carrying a kid in a bike child seat?

- Owned more than three bikes?

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- Visited a bicycle museum?

- Watched an organized bike race, in person?

- Competed in an organized bike race?

- Won an organized bike race?

- Competed in an organized time trial?

- Ridden on a velodrome?

- Competed in a velodrome race?

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- Crashed?

- Ridden more than a year without crashing?

- Ridden more than ten years without crashing?

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- Ridden 50 miles?

- Ridden a metric century? (100 km)

- Ridden a century? (100 miles)

- Ridden a double metric?

- Ridden a double century?

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- Ridden faster than the speed limit?

- Ridden faster than 35 mph?

- Ridden fast than 50 mph?

- Gotten a ticket while riding your bike?

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- Ridden across Ohio?

- Ridden across Pennsylvania?

- Ridden across any other state?

- Ridden across the U.S.?

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- Ridden 2000 miles in a year?

- Ridden 5000 miles in a year?

- Ridden 10,000 miles in a year?

- Done an overnight bike trip?

- Done a multi-day camping bike trip?

- Done a really long bike tour?

- Done a bike tour overseas?

- Planned and navigated your own bike tour?

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- Ridden on a bike path?

- Ridden on a four-lane road?

- Ridden on a freeway (where legal)?

- Ridden somewhere that was definitely not legal?

- Ridden your road bike where most people would use a mountain bike?

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- Ridden in the rain?

- Ridden in the snow?

- Ridden hotter than 100 degrees?

- Ridden colder than 32 degrees?

- Ridden colder than 0 degrees?

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- Ridden a month without missing a day?

- Ridden a year without missing a day?

- Parked your car for a week and used your bike instead?

- Parked your car for a month and used your bike instead?

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- Ridden in a Tweed Ride?

- Ridden in a Naked Bike Ride?

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- Attended a regional bike convention?

- Attended a national bike convention?

- Thought about other items to add to this list?






--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

Have you ever minded your business?

[Catrike Rider]

"your own business"

[Frank Krygowski]

I take that to mean your answers are all "No."

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Roger Merriman]

Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Bicycling - Have You Ever?
>
> Have you ever:
>
> - Joined a bike club?

Two so far. Or rather moved from one to another.

>
> - Ridden on a club ride?

Loads of times

>
> - Led a club ride?

Loads of times

>
> - Ridden your bike to a bike club meeting?

Probably rather depends where it was.

>
> - Volunteered for a bike club committee position?
>
> - Been a bike club officer?
>
> - Volunteered for a bike rodeo?
>
> - Served on a bike advocacy committee or board?
>
> - Ran an invitational bike ride or event?
>
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>
> - Read a book about bicycling?

A number over the years though I generally don’t read anymore.

>
> - Written a book about bicycling?
>
> - Had an article published in a bicycling magazine or newspaper?
>
> - Had a photograph published in a bike magazine?
>
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>
> - Taken a bicycling class?

When I was a child was cycle training At school.

>
> - Taught a bicycling class?
>
> - Practiced a rock dodge?
>
> - Practiced emergency braking?

I learnt this MTBing so not really relevant, ie positioning on bike and so
on.

>
> - Practiced an emergency evasive turn?

Again moving the bike quickly, and responding to sudden events is MTB skill
set.

>
> - Jumped your bike over a pothole?
>

Not generally needed as even the gravel bike will just plow through most
without issue, the MTB it’s a total non event!

> - Been chased by a scary dog?

As a kid possibly.

>
> - Been bitten by a scary dog?

Don’t recall so.

>
> - Trained someone’s dog to not chase you?
>
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>
> - Displayed a bike-themed decoration inside your house?
>
> - Displayed a bike-themed decoration in your yard?
>
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>
> - Biked to work?

I commute so yes!

>
> - Biked to buy your groceries?

Rarely since I can walk to number of shops locally which makes more sense
than the bike.

>
> - Ridden at night for fun?

Occasionally I have done MTB rides but generally a lot of faff, and
arguably need a lot of kit for it to work well, ie cost vs The gravel rides
which need far less powerful and less lights for it to work well.

>
> - Ridden at night for transportation?

I work late often so yes ride home at dark be that early or late.

>
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>
> - Used a generator headlight?

Hire bike probably, see them on some of the bikes locally, not personally a
fan as I like lights with a bit more oomph even on the commute I have
properly dark sections my light has a remote toggle switch which
engages/disengages the high beam.

>
> - Put a rack on your bike?

Commute bike has had one fitted for good decade or so, had it on one of the
previous commute bikes as well.

>
> - Put fenders on your bike?

Mudguards which keep the worst of it off.

>
> - ... with a mudflap?
>
> - Put a kickstand on your “good” bike?
>
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>
> - Ridden a bike wearing lycra?

Since I no longer have a short commute, all of the time.

>
> - Ridden a bike wearing wool instead of lycra?

I have some more modern merino wool kit, or certainly used to.

>
> - Ridden 25 miles in blue jeans?

No idea possibly at some point in the past.

>
> - Ridden with toe clips?

Momentarily possibly. I grew up riding old town bikes and then early MTB on
gravel type stuff so never really useful.

>
> - Ridden with clipless pedals?

For a few years yes, though realised that I’m happier with proper pinned
flats and flat cycle shoes even with road riding, clipless was fine but I
preferred flats.

>
> - Ridden with a rain cape?
>
> - Ridden without a helmet?

For decades as it wasn’t a thing until maybe 20 years ago?

>
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>

> - Repaired a flat tire? Never patched a tyre any rip has tended to be fairly terminal.
>
> - Adjusted a derailleur? Yup even bent a few back into shape though got
> bike shop to adjust it after that.

>
> - Wrapped your own handlebars?

Have done though tend to leave on as it lasts for years.

>
> - Built a bike wheel?
>
> - Built a bicycle frame?
>
> - Built a bike from the frame up?
>
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>

> - Ridden a racing bike? Yes though only during this century.
>
> - Ridden a fixed gear bike? Yup had me for a while.
>
> - Ridden a mountain bike? What I grew up riding.
>
> - Ridden a recumbent? Ish see below
>
> - Ridden a tandem? As captain? As stoker? Yes but not traditional but
> side by side ones for work with our guys, including a tricycle that can
> load a wheelchair which is a lovely bike.

Lot of the side by sides are just welded together and are lumpen beasts,
Velo the trike though heavy is much lighter easier ride.
>
> - Ridden an adult tricycle? A fixed gear one which was a hoot!

>
> - Ridden an antique “ordinary” or high wheeler?
>
> - Ridden a unicycle?
>
> - Ridden an eBike?

Yup my folks have some, if I lived somewhere I could use it more I’d think
about a EMTB

>
> - Towed a bicycle trailer?
>
> - Ridden carrying a kid in a bike child seat?
>
> - Owned more than three bikes?

For a while though mostly during periods when I had a bike I wanted to
sell.

>
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>
> - Visited a bicycle museum?

They bring out various classic bikes at the park fair, always nice to see
them ridden, have visited a museum in mid wales was a very small
essentially someone’s collection so not terribly well done.

>
> - Watched an organized bike race, in person?

Yup the various london Olympics be that road or MTB.

>
> - Competed in an organized bike race?
>
> - Won an organized bike race?
>
> - Competed in an organized time trial?
>
> - Ridden on a velodrome?
>
> - Competed in a velodrome race?
>
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>

> - Crashed? Lots of times though mostly dismounts so few bruises, including ego.

It’s also what caused my brain injury. Which was mundane ie slow speeds no
cars and so on.

>
> - Ridden more than a year without crashing?

Absolutely even though I MTB I mostly keep it rubber side down and mostly
can be controlled.

>
> - Ridden more than ten years without crashing?

No idea probably not but all but one I’ve walked away from.

>
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>

> - Ridden 50 miles? Regularly
>
> - Ridden a metric century? (100 km) every now and then
>
> - Ridden a century? (100 miles) once.
>
> - Ridden a double metric? Once
>
> - Ridden a double century? No nor am likely to.

>
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>

> - Ridden faster than the speed limit? Doesn’t apply to bikes but yes as
> plenty of 20mph and so on area that I certainly will touch.
>
> - Ridden faster than 35 mph? Yes I tend not to much faster than that
> tends to be the limit though rather depends on the road I guess!
>
> - Ridden fast than 50 mph? Possibly but if it was be momentarily, and
> Strava max speed is not trustworthy.

>
> - Gotten a ticket while riding your bike?

Not really achievable in uk as very little you can be done really.

>
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>
> - Ridden across Ohio?
>
> - Ridden across Pennsylvania?
>
> - Ridden across any other state?
>
> - Ridden across the U.S.?

>
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>
> - Ridden 2000 miles in a year?
>
> - Ridden 5000 miles in a year?

I tend to be about 3k rather depends how much commuting I do, I’m now part
time, and also the ratio of MTB to gravel or road as that will alter the
distance. Ie years where I’ve done more Gravel bike then I’ll do 5k + but
if more even then 3k

>
> - Ridden 10,000 miles in a year?
>
> - Done an overnight bike trip?
>
> - Done a multi-day camping bike trip?
>
> - Done a really long bike tour?
>
> - Done a bike tour overseas?
>
> - Planned and navigated your own bike tour?
>

Not really doable anymore, even though I have a gravel bike and it’s
apparently what folks should be doing it’s beyond what my I could cope
with.

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>
> - Ridden on a bike path?
>
> - Ridden on a four-lane road?
>
> - Ridden on a freeway (where legal)?
>
> - Ridden somewhere that was definitely not legal?
>
> - Ridden your road bike where most people would use a mountain bike?

I’ve ridden and will ride on most roads if they happen to be the most
logical choice, and it’s utility cycling, though I’m much more choosy if
it’s a leisure ride.

Some roadies are remarkably cautious about what there bike can or rather
can’t do. This said equally some MTB rides are essentially gravel rides
etc.

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> - Ridden in the rain?

I live in the uk…

>
> - Ridden in the snow?
>
> - Ridden hotter than 100 degrees?

The heat wave in uk pushed the heat to that and just above which in a urban
area wasn’t comfortable!

>
> - Ridden colder than 32 degrees?
>
> - Ridden colder than 0 degrees?

I’ve certainly ridden in winter, even in london it will dip below zero back
in wales will drop to -20 or so and certainly used to get significant snow
though get some even in london and areas around it every other year or so

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>
> - Ridden a month without missing a day?
>
> - Ridden a year without missing a day?
>
> - Parked your car for a week and used your bike instead?

Occasionally just depends.

>
> - Parked your car for a month and used your bike instead?
>
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>
> - Ridden in a Tweed Ride?
>
> - Ridden in a Naked Bike Ride?

Neither though are run a few times in london but I’ve not gone to either.

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>
> - Attended a regional bike convention?
>
> - Attended a national bike convention?
>
> - Thought about other items to add to this list?
>
>
>

Roger Merriman
>
>
>

[Lou Holtman]

I assume you can answer all the questions with yes. What are you trying to proof? That you are the best/toughest/experienced cyclist? We can’t verify it so it doesn’t mean anything and it is silly as lot of the questions are. Go ride bike.

Lou

[Catrike Rider]

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:48:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski

<Chuckle> Some day, I may get to the point in life where you seem to
be, Frank, but nowdays, I'm just too busy doing things to spend that
much time trying to relive all the things I've already done.

Got home from ocean kayaking yesterday about six, too tired to wash
down the truck, kayaks, trailer, and gear and put it all away, so I
have that to do today. We need to go grocery shopping and that
involves us going to the regular grocery store as well as Sams, and
probably, to the drug store. Hope to get a bike ride in tomorrow,
I'll also do a quick check on the Catrike.

The bike ride tomorrow will use up 4+ hours, what with the drive to
and from my start location, preparation, and post ride load up,
putaway and recoup. I generally spend a half hour or so eating an
orange, a granola bar and drinking my post ride Yeungling. It's
supposed to be up in the eighties tomorrow so I'll finish up the ride
dripping with sweat, so I'll have to towel off and slip into sweats so
as not to crud up the truck seats.

I'm planning on doing the same thing Thursday, but tomorrow we'll be
going to my annual doctor checkup followed by a stop for lunch,
probably at our favorite Mexican restaurant.

Friday involves an hour drive each way to take my grandson to his
weekly little league private lesson. Then Saturday, like last
Saturday. and most Saturdays, another even longer drive to watch his
game, followed, most likely, by a trip to our fav pizza place.

In much of the time we're not out and about, I'll spend some time
writing, while she paints or builds crafty stuff, which she sells at
local crafty hooplas.

I feel sorry for you, Frank, that your life has been reduced to
looking back instead of looking forward.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:46:27 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
>
> Friday involves an hour drive each way to take my grandson to his
> weekly little league private lesson.

Gee, whatever happened to reading a book on it and learning by trial and error?

> I feel sorry for you, Frank, that your life has been reduced to
> looking back instead of looking forward.

I feel sorry for this group that you - like andre the hypocrite and tommy the liar - feel the need to subject us to your fictional musings in a feeble effort to gain some credibility with strangers. If you were _really_ that busy, you wouldn't be spending the vast majority of your waking hours in this forum.

Tell ya what kitty - We'll keep track of the time stamps on the dozens of messages you _will_ be posting in this forum over the next few days. It'll be interesting to see if there are enough gaps to account for 4+hour _tricycle_ rides, half-day doctor visits plus lunch, another 3+ hours to watch you grandson get some formal instruction (i.e., being told what to do and how to do it), then what would likely be 6+ hours of watching a little league game + going out for dinner afterwards.

You might want to make sure your tablet is charged up so you can post from the bleachers while ignoring your grandsons little league game, just to prove me wrong.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 05:03:33 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:46:27 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>>
>> Friday involves an hour drive each way to take my grandson to his
>> weekly little league private lesson.
>
>Gee, whatever happened to reading a book on it and learning by trial and error?

Trial and error is what he's doing. Paid off last weekend.

>> I feel sorry for you, Frank, that your life has been reduced to
>> looking back instead of looking forward.
>
>I feel sorry for this group that you - like andre the hypocrite and tommy the liar - feel the need to subject us to your fictional musings in a feeble effort to gain some credibility with strangers.

You can always kill file me if my posts bother you that much...

>If you were _really_ that busy, you wouldn't be spending the vast majority of your waking hours in this forum.

Like I said, I spend time writing, and sometimes I need to get my mind
off the story line, and sometimes the mindless editing is just too
damned boring. It only takes a second or two to switch back and forth
from MS Word to Forte Agent.

>Tell ya what kitty - We'll keep track of the time stamps on the dozens of messages you _will_ be posting in this forum over the next few days.

Don't just talk about it, do it....

>It'll be interesting to see if there are enough gaps to account for 4+hour _tricycle_ rides, half-day doctor visits plus lunch, another 3+ hours to watch you grandson get some formal instruction (i.e., being told what to do and how to do it), then what would likely be 6+ hours of watching a little league game + going out for dinner afterwards.

<SHRUG> Many times I've also been instructed on how to do something,
just not riding a bicycle.

>You might want to make sure your tablet is charged up so you can post from the bleachers while ignoring your grandsons little league game, just to prove me wrong.

Actually, I don't have any tablets, but why would I lie about watching
a little league game? Do you really think that's some sort of
accomplishment worth lying about?

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:39:06 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 05:03:33 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:46:27 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Friday involves an hour drive each way to take my grandson to his
> >> weekly little league private lesson.
> >
> >Gee, whatever happened to reading a book on it and learning by trial and error?
> Trial and error is what he's doing. Paid off last weekend.

<snicker>...got it. Taking formal instruction is "learning by trial and error" in kittyworld.

> >> I feel sorry for you, Frank, that your life has been reduced to
> >> looking back instead of looking forward.
> >
> >I feel sorry for this group that you - like andre the hypocrite and tommy the liar - feel the need to subject us to your fictional musings in a feeble effort to gain some credibility with strangers.
> You can always kill file me if my posts bother you that much...
> >If you were _really_ that busy, you wouldn't be spending the vast majority of your waking hours in this forum.
> Like I said, I spend time writing, and sometimes I need to get my mind
> off the story line, and sometimes the mindless editing is just too
> damned boring. It only takes a second or two to switch back and forth
> from MS Word to Forte Agent.
> >Tell ya what kitty - We'll keep track of the time stamps on the dozens of messages you _will_ be posting in this forum over the next few days.
> Don't just talk about it, do it....
> >It'll be interesting to see if there are enough gaps to account for 4+hour _tricycle_ rides, half-day doctor visits plus lunch, another 3+ hours to watch you grandson get some formal instruction (i.e., being told what to do and how to do it), then what would likely be 6+ hours of watching a little league game + going out for dinner afterwards.
> <SHRUG> Many times I've also been instructed on how to do something,
> just not riding a bicycle.

Which had nothing to do with the comment you you were replying to. Having trouble staying focused?

> >You might want to make sure your tablet is charged up so you can post from the bleachers while ignoring your grandsons little league game, just to prove me wrong.
> Actually, I don't have any tablets, but why would I lie about watching
> a little league game? Do you really think that's some sort of
> accomplishment worth lying about?

In Kittyworld it seems to be.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"

I I was addressing your your comment about formal instruction. I I
had previously addressed your your comment about keeping track of my
my posts...

Hope I I am correct in using your your correct pronoun choices.

[Tom Kunich]

What do you suppose the point of that stupid posting was?

[Tom Kunich]

I could have answered yes to every one of those questions. Precisely what did it prove? Tell us Francis, did you ever ride a third of the way up L'A[pe D'Huez so that you could watch Lance Armstrong come by in the lead?

[Frank Krygowski]

I'm sorry, Lou. You're wrong.

> What are you trying to proof? That you are the best/toughest/experienced cyclist?

I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.

> We can’t verify it so it doesn’t mean anything and it is silly as lot of the questions are.

It's something I wrote for our bike club newsletter a couple years ago
and recently came across again. Some of our club members did have fun
with it as a conversation starter.

My hearty apologies for asking questions about bicycling.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

bad kitty, bad kitty

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 06:00:44 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"

A quick correction...

I wrote a little of the post you're responding to before I went to
bed, Monday, finishing it and posted it this morning. That's why the
confusing date references. The bike ride was going to be after the
Kayaking cleanup and grocery shopping today, but alas, neither Sams
nor the grocery store had water softener salt so we also had to make a
trip to Home Depot, and after hauling everything in and putting the
salt in the water softener, it's now almost two and a bit late for the
bike ride. I may do the 40 miles tomorrow after my checkup, but
definitely on Thursday, either way.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.

There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
performance, etc. For example (in disorganized order):

Have you ever:
- Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?
- Replaced drive train components?
- Measured bicycle rolling resistance?
- Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
- Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?
- Welded a frame or fork?
- Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?
- Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?
- Read technical books on bicycle design?
- Inspected a CF frame for defects using ultrasound?
- Experimented with various bicycle lights?
- Verified published performance tests?
- etc...


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Catrike Rider]

Two things. Frank is saying "look at me, look at me," and he's also
hoping to find someone else whose life consists of only being able to
do one thing reasonably well.

Most people go through life being jack of many things and master of
none or very few, at best. Frank's has apparently gone through his
life not mastering, according to his pathetic list of bicycling
endeavors, the only thing he's capable of doing.

I'm pretty sure Frank believes he's mastered bicycle riding, but he's
indicated nothing that would support that contention.

Scoping through Franks post I note that many of his questions have to
do with bicycle groups. It seems as though much of Frank's life
involves hanging around among other group thinkers.

I can't even imagine the horror I'd feel waking up one morning,
knowing that I'd have to spend time gussied up in fancy bright color
tighties, exactly like a bunch of similar fools, puttering about in
what must resemble a circus parade.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 10:09:36 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"

At least I tried.... Please don't send the woker-police after me.

[pH]

On 2022-10-24, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Wow, a prodigious list of questions.

>
> Bicycling - Have You Ever?
>
> Have you ever:
>
> - Joined a bike club?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden on a club ride?

Yes.

>
> - Led a club ride?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden your bike to a bike club meeting?

Oui.

>
> - Volunteered for a bike club committee position?

Ja

>
> - Been a bike club officer?

Yes

> - Volunteered for a bike rodeo?

No.

>
> - Served on a bike advocacy committee or board?

No.

>

> - Ran an invitational bike ride or event?

Yes Tour de Garlic

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Read a book about bicycling?

Yes. Effective Cycling, The Bicycle Wheel, Ritebilt method, et.

>
> - Written a book about bicycling?

Nein.

>
> - Had an article published in a bicycling magazine or newspaper?

Nope.

>
> - Had a photograph published in a bike magazine?

Negative

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Taken a bicycling class?

A *class*? Really? No.

>
> - Taught a bicycling class?

No.

>
> - Practiced a rock dodge?

What is a "rock dodge"?
>
> - Practiced emergency braking?
Not on purpose, but yes.

>
> - Practiced an emergency evasive turn?

Again, that just happens, did practice a few at Grant Peterson's (Rivendell)
written suggestion.

>
> - Jumped your bike over a pothole?

Yes. And a squirrel once.

>
> - Been chased by a scary dog?

Yes. Far too many times.

>
> - Been bitten by a scary dog?

Very nearly, but no so far.

>
> - Trained someone’s dog to not chase you?

No.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Displayed a bike-themed decoration inside your house?

Yes!

>
> - Displayed a bike-themed decoration in your yard?

No

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Biked to work?

Many years.

>
> - Biked to buy your groceries?

Yep, great fun.

>
> - Ridden at night for fun?

Yes, mainly younger.

>
> - Ridden at night for transportation?

Yep.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Used a generator headlight?

Oui Oui Soubitez et al.

>> - Put a rack on your bike?

Mais oui.

> - Put fenders on your bike?

Yessir.

>
> - ... with a mudflap?

No...but Rivendell sold some nice leather ones...

>
> - Put a kickstand on your “good” bike?

Don't recall...ah, yes during college.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden a bike wearing lycra?

Yes. Have you ever seen a walrus wearing lycra?

>
> - Ridden a bike wearing wool instead of lycra?

No. Allergic.

>
> - Ridden 25 miles in blue jeans?

Yep.

>
> - Ridden with toe clips?

Yes, even now.

>
> - Ridden with clipless pedals?

Never never.

>
> - Ridden with a rain cape?

I did not, did not, in the rain.

>
> - Ridden without a helmet?

When young then accidentally a handful of times as a "grownup".

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Repaired a flat tire?

Far too many.

>
> - Adjusted a derailleur?
Haven't we all?

>
> - Wrapped your own handlebars?

Yes, but poorly compared to pros.

>
> - Built a bike wheel?

Yeah! Great fun. Currently riding all homebuilts.

>
> - Built a bicycle frame?

No.

>

> - Built a bike from the frame up?

No, but like to think I could.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden a racing bike?

Yes, not mine, just to try it.

>
> - Ridden a fixed gear bike?

Yes, ibid.

>
> - Ridden a mountain bike?

Don't we all have one in our fleets?


> - Ridden a recumbent?
Yes, ask the man that owns one. Easy Racer

>
> - Ridden a tandem? As captain? As stoker?

Call me captain.

>
> - Ridden an adult tricycle?

I'm not an adult yet. So, no.

>
> - Ridden an antique “ordinary” or high wheeler?

Yes, 1888 Columbia Light Roadster

>
> - Ridden a unicycle?
Yes, up and down the halls of the dorm
>
> - Ridden an eBike?
Yes and own besides

>
> - Towed a bicycle trailer?

Our Burley D'lite

>
> - Ridden carrying a kid in a bike child seat?

Nein, in the trailer

>
> - Owned more than three bikes?

Don't we all? Yes.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Visited a bicycle museum?

Yes, in Davis, CA

>
> - Watched an organized bike race, in person?

No.

>
> - Competed in an organized bike race?

No.

>
> - Won an organized bike race?

No.

>
> - Competed in an organized time trial?

No.

>
> - Ridden on a velodrome?

No.

>
> - Competed in a velodrome race?

No.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Crashed?

Sigh. Yes.

>
> - Ridden more than a year without crashing?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden more than ten years without crashing?

Yes.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden 50 miles?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden a metric century? (100 km)

Yes.

>
> - Ridden a century? (100 miles)

Si.

>
> - Ridden a double metric?

Ja ja ja.

>
> - Ridden a double century?

Yup, and the only bike with the aforementioned kickstand

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden faster than the speed limit?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden faster than 35 mph?

Only downhill

>
> - Ridden fast than 50 mph?

Don't think so.

>
> - Gotten a ticket while riding your bike?

Cop over loudspeaker "Slow down" and another time, "Get off the
freeway!" No tickets.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden across Ohio?

Yes as part of another trip.
>
> - Ridden across Pennsylvania?
ibid

>
> - Ridden across any other state?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden across the U.S.?

Yes. A long long time ago...holy Ron Wallenfang, batman

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden 2000 miles in a year?

Yes.
\

>
> - Ridden 5000 miles in a year?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden 10,000 miles in a year?

Not sure, I'm going to say no.

>
> - Done an overnight bike trip?

Yes.

>
> - Done a multi-day camping bike trip?

And yes again.

>
> - Done a really long bike tour?

Yes a third time.

>
> - Done a bike tour overseas?

Yes, Watson, yes. For the fourth time, yes!

>
> - Planned and navigated your own bike tour

That's the only proper way, isn't it?

?
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden on a bike path?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden on a four-lane road?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden on a freeway (where legal)?

Yes.

>
> - Ridden somewhere that was definitely not legal?

Prettty sure yes, but not stopped by gendarmes for a definitive
answer.

>
> - Ridden your road bike where most people would use a mountain bike?

Sometimes no choice on a tour.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden in the rain?

Rain, don't talk to me about rain. Bah! Yes.

>
> - Ridden in the snow?

very brief stretches of complete road coverage.

>
> - Ridden hotter than 100 degrees?

Oh, yes.

>
> - Ridden colder than 32 degrees?

Yes, too.

>
> - Ridden colder than 0 degrees?

Don't think so.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden a month without missing a day?

During the big tour.

>
> - Ridden a year without missing a day?

Nope.

>
> - Parked your car for a week and used your bike instead?

Nein.

>
> - Parked your car for a month and used your bike instead?

Non.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Ridden in a Tweed Ride?

What's a Tweed Ride?

>
> - Ridden in a Naked Bike Ride?

Blush...never.

>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> - Attended a regional bike convention?

Once...not worth it.
Most bikers are solitary individualists, I think. The
competitive folk don't race to hang out w/ others, but simply to
"beat the other guy", I think. Your opinion may vary.

>
> - Attended a national bike convention?

No.

>
> - Thought about other items to add to this list?

Pretty long list!

I also quite the League of Americal Wheelmen when they changed
the name to League of American Bicyclists.

pH

Thanks for making this long list!


>
>
>
>
>
>

[pH]

On 2022-10-25, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.
>
> There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
> all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
> standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
> calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
> performance, etc. For example (in disorganized order):
>
> Have you ever:
> - Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?

Yes...down to the headset level...I left the fork in.

> - Replaced drive train components?

Lift that derailleur, replace that chain! Yes.

> - Measured bicycle rolling resistance?

Would not even know how to go about it.

> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?

I don't have two scales, nor even one nowaday!

> - Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?

Yes..it's quite enjoyable, actually.

> - Welded a frame or fork?

Sadly, I don't know how to weld and have too easily given up when playing
with my son's "Mig" (Tig?) welder. I don't blacksmith as he does, either.

> - Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?

We in the Luddite club do not own gps'eseses or "tools of the devil" (cell
phones). The smoke signals and ram's horns work just fine, thank-you.

> - Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?

There's a nasty joke in here somewhere, but don't tell me.

> - Read technical books on bicycle design?

Only the wheel part, Jobst's wheel book.

> - Inspected a CF frame for defects using ultrasound?

CF Frames *are* defects! Steel and aluminum are your friends.

> - Experimented with various bicycle lights?

Yes, then LED's came along with their friend LiFePO4 batteries and ruined
everything.

> - Verified published performance tests?

No..

I just ride bike. Far less often than I should since I retired.

pH in Aptos


>

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:36:25 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2022-10-25, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.
>>
>> There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
>> all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
>> standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
>> calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
>> performance, etc. For example (in disorganized order):

Sigh. You dare to inject technical comments in the middle of a mildly
political discussion? OK, no problem.

>> Have you ever:
>> - Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?
>Yes...down to the headset level...I left the fork in.

I've only torn down perhaps 3 frames, all in preparation for painting.

>> - Replaced drive train components?
>Lift that derailleur, replace that chain! Yes.

Ummm... that's a bit minimal. You can do better. I was hoping for
something like changing gears, adjusting chain length, adjusting
derailleurs, adjusting shifters, axle conversion, etc.

>> - Measured bicycle rolling resistance?
>Would not even know how to go about it.

With a roller, of course.
<https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/the-test>

>> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
>I don't have two scales, nor even one nowaday!

You only need one scale. Find a block of wood the same height as your
bathroom scale. Install the block under the one wheel while weighing
the other. The hard part is reading the scale while pretending to be
riding. A bathroom scale with a Bluetooth display works:
<https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/s/bluetooth-bathroom-scale>

>> - Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?
>Yes..it's quite enjoyable, actually.

I've done a few with varying degrees of success. My favorite mistake
was miscalculating the spoke length. I learned from "Building Bicycle
Wheels" by Robert Wright.

>> - Welded a frame or fork?
>Sadly, I don't know how to weld and have too easily given up when playing
>with my son's "Mig" (Tig?) welder. I don't blacksmith as he does, either.

Most of what I've done is unmangling the frame after a crash.
Oxyacetylene torch and borrowed TIG welder. I don't have the
necessary fixtures, so my results were less than acceptable. That was
long ago and I'm not sure if I could still do it today.

>> - Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?
>We in the Luddite club do not own gps'eseses or "tools of the devil" (cell
>phones). The smoke signals and ram's horns work just fine, thank-you.

Resistance to advanced technology is futile. You can fight a delaying
action, but you can't win. Basic requirement for cycling is a
smartphone, internet access and computer with a big screen so you can
read the fine print. The smartphone includes a GPS. Setup a Strava,
RideWithGPS, MapMyRide, or other GPS cycling program.

Drivel: I did some reading about Lady Ada Lovelace and family. Her
father, Lord Byron, was a supporter of the Luddites. See last
paragraph at:
<https://mlpp.pressbooks.pub/historyofhightech/chapter/chapter-1/>

>> - Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?
>There's a nasty joke in here somewhere, but don't tell me.

No joke. This is a (somewhat) serious tech discussion. I have a
Shore C Durometer like this:
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/262903612261>
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=shore+c+durometer>
You'll find that the tire rubber hardness is not uniform and varies
with manufacturer.

>> - Read technical books on bicycle design?
>Only the wheel part, Jobst's wheel book.

I was thinking something more like:
<https://www.alibris.com/Bicycling-Science-Third-Edition-David-Gordon-Wilson/book/47815854>
<https://www.alibris.com/High-Tech-Cycling-2nd-Edition-Edmund-R-Burke-PhD/book/28070686>

>> - Inspected a CF frame for defects using ultrasound?
>CF Frames *are* defects! Steel and aluminum are your friends.

Carbon Fiber is not likely to disappear overnight and cannot easily be
ignored. There are those who swear by the benefits of CF
construction. Perhaps if someone could provide them with the tools to
determine if their CF frame is safe to ride?

>> - Experimented with various bicycle lights?
>Yes, then LED's came along with their friend LiFePO4 batteries and ruined
>everything.

I'm surprised that you haven't extolled the virtues of combustible gas
lanterns. LED's were around long before LiFePO4 batteries. While
todays LED lights all use some flavor of lithium chemistry, you can
still buy NiMH and alkaline bicycle headlights. Sorry, no NiCd due to
cadmium content and no lead-acid due a weight problem. However, I
meant something like this:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Front-Light-False-Color/index.html>
where I attempted to test the spot pattern for a headlight.

>> - Verified published performance tests?
>No..

Bicycle speed testing has degenerated into enumerating tiny
differences. For most riders, a fractional percentage point is not
with the time or money. For those who's lives revolve around winning
a race by a fraction of a second, it means everything. What's left
are tests for survivability, endurance, MTBF, reparability and such.
I've been watching two YouTube channels, which test various products
in some very creative ways. Perhaps something similar should be done
with bicycles and bicycle components?
<https://www.youtube.com/c/ProjectFarm/videos>
<https://www.youtube.com/c/TorqueTestChannel/videos>

>I just ride bike.

In the USA, there were 17 to 20 million bicycles sold in 2021. There
are about 13,000 bicycle mechanics in the USA. That's a ratio of
1500:1 riders to mechanics. There are enough bicycle riders. What we
need are more technical bicycle enthusiasts.

>Far less often than I should since I retired.

The retirement handbook indicates that after retirement, you have
plenty of time to do the things you want. At least that's the theory.
The only difference I've found after retirement is that my former
"customers" have turned into "friends" and now expect me to fix their
stuff for free.

[pH]

On 2022-10-25, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:36:25 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2022-10-25, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.
>>>
>>> There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
>>> all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
>>> standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
>>> calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
>>> performance, etc. For example (in disorganized order):
>
> Sigh. You dare to inject technical comments in the middle of a mildly
> political discussion? OK, no problem.
>
>>> Have you ever:
>>> - Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?
>>Yes...down to the headset level...I left the fork in.
>
> I've only torn down perhaps 3 frames, all in preparation for painting.
>
>>> - Replaced drive train components?
>>Lift that derailleur, replace that chain! Yes.
>
> Ummm... that's a bit minimal. You can do better. I was hoping for
> something like changing gears, adjusting chain length, adjusting
> derailleurs, adjusting shifters, axle conversion, etc.

Ah, yes, I have replaced cogs, broken and adjusted chainlengths, cables, put
on "bullseye" puylleys on my SUNTOUR (Yay!) derailleurs (although the
recumbent has Sachs...that's okay, too. As long as it's not Shimano. Kind
of like DR-DOS over MS-DOS at all costs and Linux over winders)

>
>>> - Measured bicycle rolling resistance?
>>Would not even know how to go about it.
>
> With a roller, of course.
><https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/the-test>
>

Do I use the roller before or after painting the wall?

>>> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
>>I don't have two scales, nor even one nowaday!
>
> You only need one scale. Find a block of wood the same height as your
> bathroom scale. Install the block under the one wheel while weighing
> the other. The hard part is reading the scale while pretending to be
> riding. A bathroom scale with a Bluetooth display works:
><https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/s/bluetooth-bathroom-scale>

A bathroom scale with a *bluetooth* display....?????!!! I'm *so* glad I'm a
luddite.

>
>>> - Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?
>>Yes..it's quite enjoyable, actually.
>
> I've done a few with varying degrees of success. My favorite mistake
> was miscalculating the spoke length. I learned from "Building Bicycle
> Wheels" by Robert Wright.
>
>>> - Welded a frame or fork?
>>Sadly, I don't know how to weld and have too easily given up when playing
>>with my son's "Mig" (Tig?) welder. I don't blacksmith as he does, either.
>
> Most of what I've done is unmangling the frame after a crash.
> Oxyacetylene torch and borrowed TIG welder. I don't have the
> necessary fixtures, so my results were less than acceptable. That was
> long ago and I'm not sure if I could still do it today.
>
>>> - Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?
>>We in the Luddite club do not own gps'eseses or "tools of the devil" (cell
>>phones). The smoke signals and ram's horns work just fine, thank-you.
>
> Resistance to advanced technology is futile. You can fight a delaying
> action, but you can't win.

Never, you foul fiend! The forces of goodness and ludditeness will defeat
the battery-powered world you have planned for us!

Basic requirement for cycling is a
> smartphone, internet access and computer with a big screen so you can
> read the fine print. The smartphone includes a GPS. Setup a Strava,
> RideWithGPS, MapMyRide, or other GPS cycling program.

At this point I should be looking away while holding my cross out in your
general direction. Cue lightening in the background.

>
> Drivel: I did some reading about Lady Ada Lovelace and family. Her
> father, Lord Byron, was a supporter of the Luddites. See last
> paragraph at:
><https://mlpp.pressbooks.pub/historyofhightech/chapter/chapter-1/>

The Ada programmin language is named for her....I have not examined the wiki
page lately to see the Ada version of "hello world".

>
>>> - Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?
>>There's a nasty joke in here somewhere, but don't tell me.
>
> No joke. This is a (somewhat) serious tech discussion. I have a
> Shore C Durometer like this:
><https://www.ebay.com/itm/262903612261>
><https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=shore+c+durometer>
> You'll find that the tire rubber hardness is not uniform and varies
> with manufacturer.

Actually, I'm sure it's not a joke.

Have to head to the kitchen....
pH

[Ralph Barone]

Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.
>
> There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
> all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
> standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
> calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
> performance, etc. For example (in disorganized order):
>
> Have you ever:
> - Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?
> - Replaced drive train components?
> - Measured bicycle rolling resistance?
> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
> - Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?
> - Welded a frame or fork?
> - Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?
> - Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?
> - Read technical books on bicycle design?
> - Inspected a CF frame for defects using ultrasound?
> - Experimented with various bicycle lights?
> - Verified published performance tests?
> - etc...
>
>

Have you ever:
- built a bicycle wheel from scratch, realized that the spikes crossed
above the valve, disassembled it, moved all the spokes over one hole,
reassembled it and found you had the same problem?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 00:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ra...@invalid.com> wrote:

>Have you ever:
> - built a bicycle wheel from scratch, realized that the spikes crossed
>above the valve, disassembled it, moved all the spokes over one hole,
>reassembled it and found you had the same problem?

No, not me. I cheated. I read the book "Building Bicycle Wheels"
BEFORE I started lacing the spokes. Usually, I only read the
documentation after I do something wrong.

However, does it really matter? My MTB wheel (36 spoke, 3X, 26" rim,
low flange hub, Schrader valve) seems to have enough room between the
spokes for a large pump head if I rotate the head 45 degrees.

Have you ever tried creative lacing patterns?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=unusual+bicycle+wheel+lacing+patterns&tbm=isch>
<https://www.instructables.com/Twisted-Spoke-Bicycle-Wheel-Lacing---flowers!/>
I haven't.

Have you ever:
- Built a wheel only to discover that you were one spoke short?
- Built a wheel only to discover that you had miscalculated the spoke
length which shredded the rim tape before you noticed the problem?
- Built a bicycle wheel in a warm room and then hang the wheel in very
cold room only to find that several spokes had ripped the holes out of
the Specialized hub flanges?

[Frank Krygowski]

Thanks for answering the questions. Your answers are interesting.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Radey Shouman]

Eaten an entire bicycle?

Advertised a well-used bike saddle on onlyfans?

Written a bicycle purity test?

[Frank Krygowski]

On 10/25/2022 2:19 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 12:45:54 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to generate some bike-related discussion.
>
> There's nothing on the list that involves bicycle technology. It's
> all about riding. There's nothing wrong with the list from the
> standpoint of using a bicycle, but it's lacking in areas that require
> calculations, design, physics, materials, repair, testing,
> performance, etc.

You're right. As I said, it was originally an article I wrote for our
club newsletter, just hoping to generate some interesting conversation.
Since few club members are technically trained and into mechanical work
except for the simplest maintenance, I avoided tech stuff.

For example (in disorganized order):
>
> Have you ever:
> - Torn a bicycle down to components and re-assembled it?

Yes, to add braze-ons and repaint. I didn't disassemble the spoked
wheels, of course. I've built other bikes from bits, including building
the wheels.

> - Replaced drive train components?

Sure.

> - Measured bicycle rolling resistance?

Only roughly, comparing various bikes and tires by noting max speed down
a gradual slope.

> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?

Yes. That was part of an in-class exercise for my students, to have them
calculate maximum deceleration without pitchover. The tricky part for
them was calculating the height of the bike+rider center of gravity -
that is, the Y coordinate as well as X coordinate of the C.O.G. Care to
guess how?

> - Built and trued a bicycle wheel from parts?

Yes, many.

> - Welded a frame or fork?

Brazed on some fittings. Never welded on a frame. Never built a complete
frame from scratch. (I think John has.)

> - Analyzed bicycle or ride performance using GPS data?

Nope. I don't use GPS much on bikes.

> - Measured rubber hardness with a durometer?

Yes, but never connected with bicycling.

> - Read technical books on bicycle design?

> [later: I was thinking something more like:
<https://www.alibris.com/Bicycling-Science-Third-Edition-David-Gordon-Wilson/book/47815854>
<https://www.alibris.com/High-Tech-Cycling-2nd-Edition-Edmund-R-Burke-PhD/book/28070686>
]

Yes, three editions of the first one, which are on my shelf. Yes to the
second. Also, _DeLong's Guide_, _Bicycling Technology_ by Van der Plas,
_Bicycles and Tricycles_ by Sharp (~1890), _The Dancing Chain_ by Berto
and many others.

> - Inspected a CF frame for defects using ultrasound?

Nope. I greatly prefer metal.

> - Experimented with various bicycle lights?

Dozens, in many ways. For a few years, my commuter had two dyno
headlights plus a taillight for experiments and comparisons. One switch
turned the taillight on or off. Another switch selected headlight A,
headlight B, or both A+B. I modified quite a few headlights and built a
couple from scratch.

> - Verified published performance tests?

Not sure what you mean. Probably no, except for roughly verifying some
aero effects.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:55:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
>
>Yes. That was part of an in-class exercise for my students, to have them
>calculate maximum deceleration without pitchover. The tricky part for
>them was calculating the height of the bike+rider center of gravity -
>that is, the Y coordinate as well as X coordinate of the C.O.G. Care to
>guess how?

I think you might mean the z-axis (up - down) instead of the y-axis
(left - right). x-axis is (forward - back):
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axes_conventions>

Put bicycle and rider on a seesaw. Move the fulcrum along the x-axis
until everything balances. That's the center of gravity along the
x-axis.

Unless the bicycle and rider are asymmetrical along the y-axis, the
center of gravity would be centered along the length of the frame. If
you want to measure it accurately, rotate the fulcrum 90 degrees and
move along the y-axis until it balances.

Have the rider and bicycle lay on their side in riding position on the
seesaw. Rotate the fulcrum 90 degrees from the normal seesaw
position. Move the fulcrum around until it balances. That's the
z-axis center of gravity.

z-axis could also be done with a hammock. Place bicycle and rider on
the hammock in a riding position. Initially, they're likely to flip
the hammock over and fall on the ground. Move the ropes at the ends
of the hammock toward each other until there's no tendency for the
hammock to rotate and dump the rider and bicycle on the ground. That's
the center of balance in the z-axis.

I guess the z-axis could be done with a platform, but a hammock is
more fun.

It's similar to weight and balance calculations in airplanes. The
measurement is done with jack stands at jack points for large aircraft
and load cells on level ground under the wheels of small aircraft.
<https://www.aircraftsystemstech.com/2019/04/aircraft-weight-and-balance-equipment.html>

[Catrike Rider]

Frank gets his "jolllies" by peeking onto other people's lives. The
more he knows about somebody, the more he can tell them about what's
in their_best_interest.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 23:18:51 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

All this makes the highly unlikely assumption that the rider will
remain in the same position/place throughout the braking event.

The unanswered question is "why?"

Nonsense like this is a good reason to question the value of some
classroom instruction. IOW, if the "instructor" can't even produce a
credible problem to solve, toss him/her out and find one who can.
Reminds me of the nonsense presented in grade school geometry
involving the height of a flagpole instead of a real life situation
such as designing and building a stairway.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 10/26/2022 2:18 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:55:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>> - Measured front and rear wheel ground loading (weight distribution)?
>>
>> Yes. That was part of an in-class exercise for my students, to have them
>> calculate maximum deceleration without pitchover. The tricky part for
>> them was calculating the height of the bike+rider center of gravity -
>> that is, the Y coordinate as well as X coordinate of the C.O.G. Care to
>> guess how?
>
> I think you might mean the z-axis (up - down) instead of the y-axis
> (left - right). x-axis is (forward - back):
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axes_conventions>

Since the problem is two dimensional, we had no need of a third or Z
axis. In two dimensional Mechanics problems, axes are always marked X
and Y.

> Put bicycle and rider on a seesaw. Move the fulcrum along the x-axis
> until everything balances. That's the center of gravity along the
> x-axis.
>
> Unless the bicycle and rider are asymmetrical along the y-axis, the
> center of gravity would be centered along the length of the frame. If
> you want to measure it accurately, rotate the fulcrum 90 degrees and
> move along the y-axis until it balances.
>
> Have the rider and bicycle lay on their side in riding position on the
> seesaw. Rotate the fulcrum 90 degrees from the normal seesaw
> position. Move the fulcrum around until it balances. That's the
> z-axis center of gravity.
>
> z-axis could also be done with a hammock. Place bicycle and rider on
> the hammock in a riding position. Initially, they're likely to flip
> the hammock over and fall on the ground. Move the ropes at the ends
> of the hammock toward each other until there's no tendency for the
> hammock to rotate and dump the rider and bicycle on the ground. That's
> the center of balance in the z-axis.
>
> I guess the z-axis could be done with a platform, but a hammock is
> more fun.
>
> It's similar to weight and balance calculations in airplanes. The
> measurement is done with jack stands at jack points for large aircraft
> and load cells on level ground under the wheels of small aircraft.
>
<https://www.aircraftsystemstech.com/2019/04/aircraft-weight-and-balance-equipment.html>

What we actually did was measure front and rear weight distribution on
level, then raise the front wheel a measured amount (I forget how much)
and record the changes in weight distribution. Once we had the data from
those measurements, it was a statics (mostly trig) problem to locate the
height of the center of gravity, or center of mass. This was relevant
for calculating maximum possible deceleration.

This was one of the few times I gave bicycle-related problems. The class
was unusually small and all the students were very competent, so I felt
fine about taking time to have some fun.

While I no longer remember the order of the problems, I had the class
take detailed measurements of a brake lever I donated. They then
calculated the estimated bending strength of the lever (we had to guess
at the alloy), which was surprisingly small. They calculated the brake
cable tension related to that strength, the force the brakes delivered
to the rim using that cable tension, and the deceleraton of the bike.

The COG height was used to prove that the surprisingly weak lever was
fine in practice because pitchover limits practical braking
deceleration. And BTW, the one football player in class was able to
crush the brake lever, which roughly verifyied our calculations. The
lever doesn't need to withstand the strongest human grip because the
system has other limitations.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

I talk about the stupid six and their commenting about bicycles when they don't ride. Because of this Francis is reduced to telling us tales of long ago as if they were yesterday. Were that so why did we get his comments about us not commenting about his vanished ability to ride? Flunky has commented about bikes he rides and expects us to believe that he races. He couldn't even "used to race" on equipment like that. Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with riding equipment like that. So why is he attempting to impress us that he "races" when clearly he doesn't and didn't. Liebermann cannot physically ride. I suspect Seaton never rode beyond Sunday rides with the boyfriend and Scharf is not a bicyclist unless he did a ride in an attempt to garner votes which only lasted until the voters realized what they had voted for and ended that foolishness. It is very easy to calculate that Slocum is FAR too old to ride a bike but he is willing to tell us that he rode into town when he would have trouble being driven into the city in a car with cushy suspension.

All of these people are perfectly welcome to comment but why are they making every attempt to tell us they're riders when so clearly they are not. Are we supposed to be impressed? Are we supposed to think that they are out riding like real cyclists? Slocum and Liebermann are using GOOGLE for their sources of information. Google is the far left lie that is there to make idiots like those two believe they know what they're talking about.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank has never done any of this. He buys bicycles and used to ride them. He is no longer in the physical shape to do so and likes to talk about days gone by.

[pH]

On 2022-10-26, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
<snip>

>>
>> pH
>>
>> Thanks for making this long list!
>
> Thanks for answering the questions. Your answers are interesting.

You're welcome, but what *are* a "rock dodge" and a "tweed ride"?

pH

>

[Frank Krygowski]

A rock dodge is the act of whipping your front wheel quickly around an
obstacle like a rock, chunk of glass or small pothole. It keeps your
more vulnerable front wheel clear of the hazard even if you back wheel
hits it. See https://cyclingsavvy.org/2022/10/emergency-maneuvers/
or
https://youtu.be/ZE82bbhCQmQ

A Tweed Ride is a goofy sort of costume party on wheels, a dress-up bike
ride to reenact the early 1900s in Britain. Somewhat formal Edwardian
costumes are the bee's knees, and ideally, bikes should be appropriate
for the era. (I do own one, in storage, that I think would qualify.)

https://youtu.be/7qlU7y-LHqc

I've never seen a Tweed Ride, let alone ridden one, but it would be fun
to watch.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR_tGqr4iU_xMEbFLkG8tv6xsqP7B6fmbpDzaBvnEpFFg&s

The closest I came was once when we were riding in France, and we were
passed by an antique car club of some kind. About a dozen cars from
around the 1920s passed us, and the drivers and passengers were in
period clothing.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[pH]

On 2022-10-27, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 10/26/2022 7:53 PM, pH wrote:
> > On 2022-10-26, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>>
> >>> pH
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for making this long list!
> >>
> >> Thanks for answering the questions. Your answers are interesting.
> >
> > You're welcome, but what *are* a "rock dodge" and a "tweed ride"?
>
> A rock dodge is the act of whipping your front wheel quickly around an
> obstacle like a rock, chunk of glass or small pothole. It keeps your
> more vulnerable front wheel clear of the hazard even if you back wheel
> hits it. See https://cyclingsavvy.org/2022/10/emergency-maneuvers/
> or
> https://youtu.be/ZE82bbhCQmQ

Ah, okay. I was envisioning trying to avoid a flung projectile from an irate
pedestrian or the like.

The dodges I most frequently do around here is on what (I consider)
sub-standard width lanes to go around storm drain grates.
The City of Capitola has a passive-aggressive hatred of bicycles for some
reason. They certainly pay lip service to bikes and all, but the major
roads--41st Avenue and around the local mall for example--are anything but
bike friendly.
I go there fairly often via cycle to shop for groceries.

>
> A Tweed Ride is a goofy sort of costume party on wheels, a dress-up bike
> ride to reenact the early 1900s in Britain. Somewhat formal Edwardian
> costumes are the bee's knees, and ideally, bikes should be appropriate
> for the era. (I do own one, in storage, that I think would qualify.)
>
> https://youtu.be/7qlU7y-LHqc

That sounds fun. My college pal, Robert, who owns the 1888 Columbia I got
to ride often dons period clothing when he rides it.
He has gotten quite a bit of grief at times from well-meaning
ride-particpants who think he absolutely should and must, wear a helmet.

Robert thanks them and explains, why yes, I normally do wear a helmet, but
this is one of those times where I am willing to take a risk for sake of
period appearance etc.
This *usually* mollifies his interrogator, but one time a girl just would
not quit harranguing him. She eventually got tired and went off looking for
something to cool her tonsils, I imagine.

I loved to bask in the reflected glory of being the friend of the guy
getting all the attention for his bike.

A common exchange:
Man: "Is that what the original would look like?"
Robert: "It *is* an original."
Cue long pause...it took an really long time for the fact to sink in that
they were actually looking at and touching a rideable bike from 1888.

I don't recall a lot of picture taking, this was mostly pre
tool-of-the-devil (cell phones).

My Cannondale is 80's vintage, so not that old.

pH in Aptos

[Frank Krygowski]

I've had two friends who owned Ordinaries or "High Wheelers" and let me
ride them. It's a really nice experience! The tall bike is amazingly
easy to balance at low speeds, and the ride is very smooth, at least on
reasonably smooth roads. But it's nowhere as easy to pedal as a modern
bike.

Getting mounted is only slightly tricky. Dismounting is slightly
trickier, involving reaching back for the "step" before sliding off the
seat. But I've seen one of my friends dismount by swinging both legs
(one at a time) above the handlebars, then hitting the spoon brake. The
bike stopped and he landed on his feet in front of it, still holding the
handlebars. I've never tried that.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Doug Landau]

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 9:06:56 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> Bicycling - Have You Ever?
>
> Have you ever:
>
> - Joined a bike club?
>

> - Ridden on a club ride?

<snip>

How about:
- Get drunk at church on Sunday morning and take your roadbike down the gnarly trail?

[Frank Krygowski]

Good one!

I've taken my roadbike down some moderately gnarly trails. But never drunk.

And I've never gotten drunk at a church ... well, unless you count
wedding receptions in parish halls in days of yore.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

Have you ever taken a rest break and had some nosey potatohead stop
beside you and try to start a conversation?