Ultra Torque Crank Problem

[Tom Kunich]

I had my Basso threads cleaned and faced and I had what I assumed to be new Record cups installed.

For the life of me I could not get the Ultra Torque Record cranks to install. They even got stuck in the cups!

Finally I pulled out the Park tools for the Ultra Torque cranks and used those to remove the cranks. Looking in the cups I could see excessive wear that had been covered by the new lubricant in them. This had allowed the bearings on the cranks to turn sideways in the cups and jam.

So I removed them and used a new set of Italian cups I had on the shelf and everything went together easily and properly.

After several dozen Ultra Torque installations over the years, this was the first time I ran across something like that. The bearings in the Record cranks are ceramic and so they roll easier than the standard bearings in the other earlier versions.

I am still waiting for the new carbon handlebar to come in so that I can finish the assembly of the Basso. There are two things that I am interested in: 1. Does it have the same problem that the Moder did of feeling far too sensitive at low speeds. This might have been me forgetting how steel bikes ride after all of the "newer" bikes. Eddy Merckx in particular are very directionally stable. 2. If the Moser turns out to have been built to be that way I will sell it off for a steel Mazi or Basso if there are any in my size for a reasonable cost.

Suddenly the bikes on Ebay have more than doubled in cost and I'm sure that I'll have to wait for them to return to normal. That won't take too long since no one is looking for a steel bike with top end superlight carbon fiber bikes all over the place.

I have half a mind to strip and Chorus 11 speed groups off of the Colnago C50 and sell just the bare frame for what they're going for these days. Then I will have the group to install on a new steel bike if I sell the Moser.

[Frank Krygowski]

So much churning!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

I see that Frank has posted. Why do you suppose that is? He has never had an ultra-torque crank set and never will. Thankfully I can't see what he is writing but since he was a teacher, whatever it is must be exceedingly stupid. Imagine a no one posting about something he knows nothing about? I imagine that he can tell us everything about ultra-torque cups because he is so experienced with them. Or perhaps he know everything there is to know about wear in the cups. I will admit that I have never see that sort of failure - without the wear the crank's shaft slips easily into the cup, lines up with the other side and they just push together and the hardest part is holding the left hand crank over enough for the preload spring to be loaded to the point that you can screw in the attachment screw.

But with the IQ so low that even his wife considers him to be nothing more than the source of a retirement fund, he is standing in line to make comments about things that have nothing to do with him because as a piece of shit he has nothing better to do. Did he inform you all about the wear in aluminum cups carrying steel sealed bearings? That sounds like something as a teacher he could inform you about.

Maybe I should just drive back to Illinois and stop by Frank's and beat him so badly that he can never again be able to ride a bike. But that would be pointless because he probably doesn't ride a bike now and still posts.

[Lou Holtman]

Why are the cups so worn? The owner must have kept riding with a bad/stuck bearing otherwise no torque is transmitted to the outer ring of the bearing and which causes wear of the cup.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

This was something that puzzled me. The BOX appeared to have the original seal on it. The cups had the normal heavy white lube in the cups. But the cranks stuck in them. When I finally got the cranks back out, wiping out the grease displayed a worn surface in the cups. The new set that I had on the shelf in its plastic wrapper allowed the cranks to slip right in.

I think that the previous owner that had sold me the group was one of these neatness freaks that carefully peeled the seal off of the bike, used the cups and then replaced them after cleaning and lubing them. It never occurred to me that they might be worn because who the hell rides an Italian bike these days? Unless you have an Eddy Merckx carbon bike about the only bike that someone would put a Record group on would be a Colnago. This guy looked like neither the Merckx or Colnago type inasmuch as he was Asian, well educated and I would bet moving to Texas for a high tech job since they are no longer in California.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 8/16/2022 3:44 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:55:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/15/2022 8:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I had my Basso threads cleaned and faced and I had what I assumed to be new Record cups installed.
>>>
>>> For the life of me I could not get the Ultra Torque Record cranks to install. They even got stuck in the cups!
>>>
>>> Finally I pulled out the Park tools for the Ultra Torque cranks and used those to remove the cranks. Looking in the cups I could see excessive wear that had been covered by the new lubricant in them. This had allowed the bearings on the cranks to turn sideways in the cups and jam.
>>>
>>> So I removed them and used a new set of Italian cups I had on the shelf and everything went together easily and properly.
>>>
>>> After several dozen Ultra Torque installations over the years, this was the first time I ran across something like that. The bearings in the Record cranks are ceramic and so they roll easier than the standard bearings in the other earlier versions.
>>>
>>> I am still waiting for the new carbon handlebar to come in so that I can finish the assembly of the Basso. There are two things that I am interested in: 1. Does it have the same problem that the Moder did of feeling far too sensitive at low speeds. This might have been me forgetting how steel bikes ride after all of the "newer" bikes. Eddy Merckx in particular are very directionally stable. 2. If the Moser turns out to have been built to be that way I will sell it off for a steel Mazi or Basso if there are any in my size for a reasonable cost.
>>>
>>> Suddenly the bikes on Ebay have more than doubled in cost and I'm sure that I'll have to wait for them to return to normal. That won't take too long since no one is looking for a steel bike with top end superlight carbon fiber bikes all over the place.
>>>
>>> I have half a mind to strip and Chorus 11 speed groups off of the Colnago C50 and sell just the bare frame for what they're going for these days. Then I will have the group to install on a new steel bike if I sell the Moser.
>> So much churning!
>

> I see that Frank has posted. Why do you suppose that is? He has never had an ultra-torque crank set and never will. Thankfully I can't see what he is writing ...

Tom, not a soul believes what you claim about blocking people, or about
not being able to read what people write. Give it up.

I'm not commenting on the details of your countless and endless
mechanical and technical problems. I'm merely noting that you
constantly, constantly churn through bikes, frames and components,
always telling us how the _next_ one will be perfect.

Your behavior has tremendous similarity to that of hoarders, the
mentally ill people who acquire and store mountains of possessions. It's
just weird.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

No, he said that he installed "what I assumed to be new Record cups
installed". Or in other word this famous bicycle mechanic can't tell
the difference between old, worn out, junk, bearings and new bearings.

And Tommy please feel free to drive by and "beat me so badly" if you
aren't afraid. But of course you are afraid, aren't you. The typical
"Usenet Bad Ass" making threats but somehow never can quite managing
to carry them out. Rather then "Bad Ass" you probably should be called
"Candy Ass" or some other term that better describes your bravery.

Yup, "Candy Ass Kunich". That has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 2:44:57 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 6:55:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/15/2022 8:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > I had my Basso threads cleaned and faced and I had what I assumed to be new Record cups installed.
> > >
> > > For the life of me I could not get the Ultra Torque Record cranks to install. They even got stuck in the cups!
> > >
> > > Finally I pulled out the Park tools for the Ultra Torque cranks and used those to remove the cranks. Looking in the cups I could see excessive wear that had been covered by the new lubricant in them. This had allowed the bearings on the cranks to turn sideways in the cups and jam.
> > >
> > > So I removed them and used a new set of Italian cups I had on the shelf and everything went together easily and properly.
> > >
> > > After several dozen Ultra Torque installations over the years, this was the first time I ran across something like that. The bearings in the Record cranks are ceramic and so they roll easier than the standard bearings in the other earlier versions.
> > >
> > > I am still waiting for the new carbon handlebar to come in so that I can finish the assembly of the Basso. There are two things that I am interested in: 1. Does it have the same problem that the Moder did of feeling far too sensitive at low speeds. This might have been me forgetting how steel bikes ride after all of the "newer" bikes. Eddy Merckx in particular are very directionally stable. 2. If the Moser turns out to have been built to be that way I will sell it off for a steel Mazi or Basso if there are any in my size for a reasonable cost.
> > >
> > > Suddenly the bikes on Ebay have more than doubled in cost and I'm sure that I'll have to wait for them to return to normal. That won't take too long since no one is looking for a steel bike with top end superlight carbon fiber bikes all over the place.
> > >
> > > I have half a mind to strip and Chorus 11 speed groups off of the Colnago C50 and sell just the bare frame for what they're going for these days. Then I will have the group to install on a new steel bike if I sell the Moser.
> > So much churning!
> I see that Frank has posted. Why do you suppose that is? He has never had an ultra-torque crank set and never will. Thankfully I can't see what he is writing but since he was a teacher, whatever it is must be exceedingly stupid.

So Tommy thinks all teachers are stupid. Exceedingly stupid. Tommy, you have told us countless times you were kicked out of high school. But were you? Or were you kicked out of school in kindergarten? And never completed any school at all. And thus never had any teachers in your whole life. I suspect that is the case.

I had many teachers in my learning life. Elementary school. Junior high school. High school. Undergraduate studies. Graduate studies. All my teachers knew more about the subjects being taught than I did. My Spanish teacher in Junior High knew a lot more Spanish than I ever learned. My High School chemistry teacher was a PhD and was retired from a career working in the field. I was even a teacher for two semesters in college. I taught an introductory class in my major. Since I majored in the subject, I was well versed in the introductory aspects.

> Imagine a no one posting about something he knows nothing about? I imagine that he can tell us everything about ultra-torque cups because he is so experienced with them. Or perhaps he know everything there is to know about wear in the cups. I will admit that I have never see that sort of failure - without the wear the crank's shaft slips easily into the cup, lines up with the other side and they just push together and the hardest part is holding the left hand crank over enough for the preload spring to be loaded to the point that you can screw in the attachment screw.
>
> But with the IQ so low that even his wife considers him to be nothing more than the source of a retirement fund, he is standing in line to make comments about things that have nothing to do with him because as a piece of shit he has nothing better to do. Did he inform you all about the wear in aluminum cups carrying steel sealed bearings? That sounds like something as a teacher he could inform you about.
>
> Maybe I should just drive back to Illinois and stop by Frank's and beat him so badly that he can never again be able to ride a bike. But that would be pointless because he probably doesn't ride a bike now and still posts.

Tommy, when you are driving to Illinois, please stop by my house in Iowa. Its along the way. We could even make a detour up to Wisconsin and meet Andy. He could be the referee. I'm not sure why you are stopping in Illinois though. Do you want to see the Bears or Bulls or Cubs or White Sox? I know you are mentally deficient. But I would think even a deficient person would have picked up where Frank is from. He is two states over from Illinois. If you stop in Illinois, you are still several hundred miles from Frank's house. 300 miles or so.

I don't have any plans to visit the Bay area. Else I would stop by your house. My California friends are in Sacramento and Eureka. No need to go through the Bay to reach those destinations.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Yet your jerk off buddy claims John is the one who exhibits disgusting behaviour. You aren't going to beat anyone, sparky. Shut the fuck up.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

It does indeed john..."candy ass kunich". I'll bet he's heard that before though.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 12:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Maybe I should just drive back to Illinois and stop by Frank's and beat him so badly that he can never again be able to ride a bike. But that would be pointless because he probably doesn't ride a bike now and still posts.

"Google Groups content policy"
<https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696>
"Violence: Don't threaten other people on your group or messages. For
example, don't post death threats against another person or group of
people and don't post content encouraging your readers to take violent
action against another person or group of people."

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[John B.]

But of course my behavior is disgusting.... after all, I expose
Tommy's lies and fantasies for all the world to see.

I'm sure Tommy thinks that it is disgusting, and totally unfair, for
anyone to do such a thing.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

It is a mental disorder... what my Grandmother would have called
"crazy" but then, Granny called a spade a spade, while more modern and
"softer" terms is referred to as a Narcissistic personality disorder
--
Defined as... "A mental condition in which people have an
inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive
attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of
empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a
fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism and
frequently respond to what they perceive as criticism with insults and
threats of physical assault."
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I like how Google says "For example, don't post death threats". As if you need to explicitly say don't threaten to murder people. Gosh. Maybe the world has slid a long ways down the slide into oblivion.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

The Don Juan thinks it's unfair the FBI raid his house for top secret documents that he was ordered to give back to the government many months ago. And that his lawyers signed a document saying they did give back the top secret documents. So Tommy is just following his idol's lead.

[John B.]

Well, "they" elected the bloke so I suppose that they have to continue
to "worship" him as to stop would indicate that they had elected a
bum.
I mean a guy that sexually assaults a women in the changing booth in a
department store?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[sms]

On 8/16/2022 10:33 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 12:44:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe I should just drive back to Illinois and stop by Frank's and beat him so badly that he can never again be able to ride a bike. But that would be pointless because he probably doesn't ride a bike now and still posts.
>
> "Google Groups content policy"
> <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/4561696>
> "Violence: Don't threaten other people on your group or messages. For
> example, don't post death threats against another person or group of
> people and don't post content encouraging your readers to take violent
> action against another person or group of people."

It makes no difference since Frank doesn't live anywhere near Illinois.

[John B.]

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:59:07 -0700, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>
wrote:

Or perhaps it makes no difference because Tommy is a coward and will
never dare to travel to where ever Frank is located.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy does "will never dare to travel". Just a few months ago I think Tommy and his bride (ex wife, second wife, divorced multiple times, kids with multiple partners, etc.) did make the arduous journey to the love capital of Nevada. Reno!!!!!!!!!! Where he was joined in holy matrimony. And I think he screamed and yelled and complained about how much it cost for gas for the drive. And also about how expensive those plush Reno motel rooms are. Nuthin says Lovin like a one night stand in Reno! So Tommy boy does travel. At least when he can cheat the government out of taxes and Social Security with a fake marriage. Maybe Tommy figures he can write off the expenses of driving to Illinois as a business expense. Tax deduction. He might do it for that reason.