The hobby is getting aparce.

[Tom Kunich]

I was contacted by a man with an Eddy Merckx Strada OS. Now the Strata is a MUCH better riding bike than the Corsa which is too quick handing. But he was disappointed in my offer so we couldn't come to an agreement. I suppose it will sit there for another 3 years before he decides that he should have taken the offer, Although I have the Fondriest up for sale for a better than reasonable price the only offers I've received have been counterfeit. So that will be used until a real offer comes in. And since I am at the VERY bottom of the reasonable price for a full Campy racing team bike, I have no intentions of reducing the price,

It appears that I will not be building any more bikes. This will delight people like Frank who couldn't put two leggo blocks together but it was sort of exciting to see the bikes come together,

The Fondriest needs to have the bar tape removed and the inner and outer shift cables lengthened as much as possible. Right now they are the length that the fittings suggested and the steering is too quick with that tension on them. The shifting on the 12 speed Moser has begun acting funny so I have to look at the adjustment. It is probably cable stretch. I'm sure that Flunky or Krygowski will complain that there is no such thing, but that is what it is known as. Although the Moser had only 25 mm tubeless tires it rides as well as the other bikes with 28's I have another set of tubeless wheels (Pro-lites) so I'm thinking of using those on the Fondriest.

If I were to run into some extra money there's always the chance of buying a new Tomassini Fire X frame to replace the Fire that I have which has a small dent in the top tube when I lost my balance at the start of a ride and tipped over. It was so small I didn't see it for quite some time. But the Fire X is made of Stainless Steel. I did yesterday's Redwood Road ride on the Tomassini and it handled flawlessly though with the Pinarello aluminum fork on it replacing the stock carbon fiber one, it steers a little racy. That's fine above 10 mph but below that it wanders around a bit.

On two of the climbs yesterday I maxed out my heart rate and had to stop and let it come down and my breathing to go down as well. I am sort of surprised that my heart rate can go so high that I can feel it in my ears like I was a 20 year old. But I can't maintain it or perhaps I don't dare at 78 years old. This happened the first couple of times I did this route before so it is only a matter of riding enough to increase my endurance. Summer is here so if the damn cold and wind would correct itself it would be easier to put in longer rides. At the moment I end up so cold at the end of rides that I have to stand in a hot shower for 15 minutes to get back to normal. But with a higher and longer Sun that will correct itself.

So today I have some things to do. I think I have a pressure washer and most of the bikes are dirty now.

[Tom Kunich]

Doctors say that since the vaccines were mandated that Cancer has multiplied. Liebermann has had experience with this and perhaps he can tell you what a self employed technician without medical insurance does when a cancer diagnosis comes in.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 6/28/2023 12:56 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> It appears that I will not be building any more bikes. This will delight people like Frank who couldn't put two leggo blocks together...

Actually, I recently finished the complete rebuilds of our two touring
frames after having them refinished. The powder coating looks excellent,
and the color is a near perfect match for the original Imron paint. I
was just touching up some of the original water bottle cages this morning.

But regarding "leggo" [sic] blocks: I've done welding, brazing,
machining, carpentry, masonry and much more. And hey, my handlebars and
seatpost don't slip while I'm riding! Let me know if you want lessons,
Tom. ;-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:56:47 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:

>
> If I were to run into some extra money there's always the chance of buying a new Tomassini Fire X frame

Why would you need to "run into extra money"? Last week you were bragging that you were worth over a MILLION DOLLARS!!!!
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/5ePyZOO6V9g/m/SUaP7P6lAAAJ

BTW - it's " X Fire", not "Fire X"

[AMuzi]

On 6/28/2023 4:43 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

Uh, and it's spelt 'Tommasini':
http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/TOMMAS.JPG

But if there were a new Tommasini GoFundMe for Mr Kunich,
you'd throw a couple of bucks, yes? I would.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 6:07:44 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/28/2023 4:43 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:56:47 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> If I were to run into some extra money there's always the chance of buying a new Tomassini Fire X frame
> >
> > Why would you need to "run into extra money"? Last week you were bragging that you were worth over a MILLION DOLLARS!!!!
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/5ePyZOO6V9g/m/SUaP7P6lAAAJ
> >
> > BTW - it's " X Fire", not "Fire X"
> >
> Uh, and it's spelt 'Tommasini':
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/TOMMAS.JPG
>
> But if there were a new Tommasini GoFundMe for Mr Kunich,
> you'd throw a couple of bucks, yes? I would.
>

Of course not. Tom's rich. He's worth over a million dollars. He constantly brags about how rich he is and how he's been making ~ $12K a month on his investments. He can afford a fully spec'd Tommasini X fire without anyones help. Why would I - or anyone - contribute to that?

[Tom Kunich]

Funny that dumbass seems to know all about the bike but can't afford one himself. I have NO intentions of spending $10,000 for a bike under any circumstances. That is why I have a million dollars and Flunky has dirty underwear.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:46:46 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 3:07:44 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 6/28/2023 4:43 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 12:56:47 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> If I were to run into some extra money there's always the chance of buying a new Tomassini Fire X frame
> > >
> > > Why would you need to "run into extra money"? Last week you were bragging that you were worth over a MILLION DOLLARS!!!!
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/5ePyZOO6V9g/m/SUaP7P6lAAAJ
> > >
> > > BTW - it's " X Fire", not "Fire X"
> > >
> > Uh, and it's spelt 'Tommasini':
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfromthepast/TOMMAS.JPG
> >
> > But if there were a new Tommasini GoFundMe for Mr Kunich,
> > you'd throw a couple of bucks, yes? I would.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Funny that dumbass seems to know all about the bike but can't afford one himself.

Becasue someone can't afford something means they know nothing about it....lol
lol..I have no need for a stainless steel Gran Fondo bike. I have several bikes that work just fine for that, including a Merlin Road. Besides:
Jutelist#2. Repeatedly accusing people of being on welfare. He worries that he'll end up on welfare.

> I have NO intentions of spending $10,000 for a bike under any circumstances.

http://tommasinibicycle.com/tommasini-x-fire-2/
Frame prices:
Tommasini X-Fire | $4695
Tommasini X-Fire Disc Brake | $5295
Tommasini X-Fire Disc Brake ICS | $5695

Complete build - $7495

> That is why I have a million dollars and Flunky has dirty underwear.

Jutelist#2. Repeatedly accusing people of being on welfare. He worries that he'll end up on welfare.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:14:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Doctors say that since the vaccines were mandated that Cancer
>has multiplied.

Wrong. Cancer incidence and mortality rates are decreasing for almost
all cancer sites:
"Cancer Stat Facts: Cancer of Any Site"
<https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/all.html>

Show me your evidence to the contrary and I might believe your
fabrications.

>Liebermann has had experience with this and
>perhaps he can tell you what a self employed technician
>without medical insurance does when a cancer diagnosis comes in.

Wrong. My prostate cancer problems were in 2007. The Covid-19
pandemic started in 2020. Cause does not follow effect 3 year later.
I am retired and my medical insurance is Medicare.

Score = zero out of 3 amazing facts correct.


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think I have a pressure washer and most of the bikes are dirty now.

You have merely to think about it, and it will appear or become true.

"Cleaning Your Bicycle With a Pressure Washer"
<https://pedalstreet.com/cleaning-bicycle-with-pressure-washer/>
"Most pro mechanics advise against pressure washing a bike because
direct streams of powerful pressured water can damage parts of your
bike, such as the hubs and headsets."

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:47:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I think I have a pressure washer and most of the bikes are dirty now.
> You have merely to think about it, and it will appear or become true.

I'm keenly aware of all the tools I have, don't really have to think about whether I have something or not - whether it works or not is a different story.

>
> "Cleaning Your Bicycle With a Pressure Washer"
> <https://pedalstreet.com/cleaning-bicycle-with-pressure-washer/>
> "Most pro mechanics advise against pressure washing a bike because
> direct streams of powerful pressured water can damage parts of your
> bike, such as the hubs and headsets."

Pressure washing can force debris and contaminants past bearing seals. The damage won't occur right away, but can cause accelerated wear and corrosion over time. Pressure washing however is standard practice at cyclocross races where a rider can exchange bike twice a lap under extreme conditions. The support staff is responsible to pressure wash the bike and give a quick check of functionality before the rider comes around for another exchange. The difference here is that a Pro CX program allows for complete rebuilds and replacement of suspect parts after each race. I know local elite riders who do this themselves in between racers. The message is, if you're going to pressure wash your bike, you should keep the stream away from bearings and seals, and if that isn't possible, inspect and re-grease areas that were affected.

Would you really trust tom to be able to manage that level of finesse?

[Lou Holtman]

I clean my cross bike at the car wash. It is not that high of a pressure and if you do it with some care it is no problem.

Lou

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 12:47:43?PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I think I have a pressure washer and most of the bikes are dirty now.
>> You have merely to think about it, and it will appear or become true.

>I'm keenly aware of all the tools I have, don't really have to think
>about whether I have something or not - whether it works or not is
>a different story.

I have the opposite problem. About half of my tools are fairly neatly
organized and easy to find. The other half are scattered among
multiple toolboxes, plastic bins, and cardboard boxes. Before
retirement, I had duplicate tools in my house, office and vehicle.
After retirement, everything went into the house. Finding things is
still a problem. I don't currently do much cycling repairs. The
small tools and some small parts are plastic fishing boxes.

My memory isn't as good as it used to be. Trying to remember which
tools I loaned and to whom is becoming difficult. I do have a list,
but I tend to forget to update it. Finding a tool is easy enough. I
sequentially open every tool box, plastic bin and cardboard box where
it might be hiding.

>> "Cleaning Your Bicycle With a Pressure Washer"
>> <https://pedalstreet.com/cleaning-bicycle-with-pressure-washer/>
>> "Most pro mechanics advise against pressure washing a bike because
>> direct streams of powerful pressured water can damage parts of your
>> bike, such as the hubs and headsets."

>Pressure washing can force debris and contaminants past bearing seals. The damage won't occur right away, but can cause accelerated wear and corrosion over time. Pressure washing however is standard practice at cyclocross races where a rider can exchange bike twice a lap under extreme conditions. The support staff is responsible to pressure wash the bike and give a quick check of functionality before the rider comes around for another exchange. The difference here is that a Pro CX program allows for complete rebuilds and replacement of suspect parts after each race. I know local elite riders who do this themselves in between racers. The message is, if you're going to pressure wash your bike, you should keep the stream away from bearings and seals, and if that isn't possible, inspect and re-grease areas that were affected.

I have a small gasoline powered pressure washer and few nozzles. I
don't know if it's capable of running. It probably will need a
carburetor rebuild. In the past, I've created quite a bit of work for
myself by using it to clean my bicycles, tools, car, etc. Mostly,
it's due to either water incursion in bearing seals and washing off
the grease that protected the underlying metal parts from corrosion.
I've also damaged the paint and decals on one frame.

I also used it to clean my deck, which removed the oil and raised the
grain in the wood. It have been better less effort if I used a push
broom and no suds.

>Would you really trust tom to be able to manage that level of finesse?

I wouldn't trust Tom to do anything correctly. He would likely
complain about every aspect of pressure washing his stable of
bicycles. The process would invariably begin with a proclamation that
he is an expert in pressure washing. He would then complain about how
the washing failed because of some unique and obscure problem. He
will be very careful not to damage his bicycles, but will probably
destroy the pump by running it with the valve on the gun closed. Of
course, the problem will be blamed on the Democrats, local government
or ethnic group. Anyone who offers advice will soon be involved in an
argument. I don't know how Tom's bicycle washing exercise will
evolve, but I can predict that it will be entertaining.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 6/29/2023 12:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:14:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Doctors say that since the vaccines were mandated that Cancer
>> has multiplied.
>
> Wrong. Cancer incidence and mortality rates are decreasing for almost
> all cancer sites:
> "Cancer Stat Facts: Cancer of Any Site"
> <https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/all.html>
>
> Show me your evidence to the contrary and I might believe your
> fabrications.
>
>> Liebermann has had experience with this and
>> perhaps he can tell you what a self employed technician
>> without medical insurance does when a cancer diagnosis comes in.
>
> Wrong. My prostate cancer problems were in 2007. The Covid-19
> pandemic started in 2020. Cause does not follow effect 3 year later.
> I am retired and my medical insurance is Medicare.
>
> Score = zero out of 3 amazing facts correct.

Tom: So much winning!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 6/29/2023 2:20 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>
> I clean my cross bike at the car wash. It is not that high of a pressure and if you do it with some care it is no problem.

I used a car wash to clean our touring bikes after we finished the very
muddy C&O Canal. For some reason, that amused our daughter.

I was careful to avoid major bearings with the water stream. However,
about a week later the idler pulley on my derailleur started squeaking
badly, a problem I mentioned here. Perhaps the car wash had something to
do with that.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:40:44 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> >Would you really trust tom to be able to manage that level of finesse?
> I wouldn't trust Tom to do anything correctly. He would likely
> complain about every aspect of pressure washing his stable of
> bicycles. The process would invariably begin with a proclamation that
> he is an expert in pressure washing. He would then complain about how
> the washing failed because of some unique and obscure problem. He
> will be very careful not to damage his bicycles, but will probably
> destroy the pump by running it with the valve on the gun closed. Of
> course, the problem will be blamed on the Democrats, local government
> or ethnic group. Anyone who offers advice will soon be involved in an
> argument. I don't know how Tom's bicycle washing exercise will
> evolve, but I can predict that it will be entertaining.
> --

+1

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:34:24 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 6/29/2023 2:20 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >
> > I clean my cross bike at the car wash. It is not that high of a pressure and if you do it with some care it is no problem.
> I used a car wash to clean our touring bikes after we finished the very
> muddy C&O Canal. For some reason, that amused our daughter.

I've done that after muddy MTB and CX rides. It works great as long as you don't pull the trigger on the wand.

>
> I was careful to avoid major bearings with the water stream. However,
> about a week later the idler pulley on my derailleur started squeaking
> badly, a problem I mentioned here. Perhaps the car wash had something to
> do with that.
>

As you're no doubt aware the pully bearings aren't really sealed. It doesn't take much to flush out any grease. I'd say it was certainly the car wash that did it - easy fix though.....

[Lou Holtman]

I have sealed ball bearings in my pulleys (stainless steel ones). Never had any problems. That bike also has Di2 and hydraulic disk brakes. Everything on that bike is very robust for car wash abuse. After 6 years I replaced the lower headset bearing, also sealed SS ball bearing.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

The Campy bearings are all sealed and the headset I use on all of the bikes have sealed bearings. Letting the bike dry properly is the key.

[Lou Holtman]

+1 when I come home I wipe the bike dry with a towel and blow all the cavities dry with compressed air. Also have a dry and heated garage.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Right now it is 85 degrees in the sun and there is a good wind blowing.

[AMuzi]

On 6/29/2023 4:20 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

Your wonderful local (NL) Tacx product?
We like those.

[John B.]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 11:40:30 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

But why pressure wash a bicycle? Soap and water followed by a rinse is
all I've ever needed :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Lou Holtman]

Yep.

Lou

[Lou Holtman]

Good luck

https://photos.app.goo.gl/u6r6C2oSsujN8SCT9

Lou

[John B.]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 22:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

:-) Looks like "mud" to me and mud washes off with water :-) Or at
least how my mother used to clean muddy shoes when I was a small
lad.... along with fierce warnings what would happen the next time I
walked through a "mud puddle" instead of going 'round.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Lou Holtman]

That mud is coming from the river banks so it is clay. If you are unlucky it is dried up when you come home. A somewhat higher pressure instead of a weak garden hose will help a lot to get it off and most of the time you don’t need soap.. Beside that your driveway doesn’t get muddy. On my way home I stop at the carwash near home. Much faster and no hassle at home and good components can take the ‘abuse’. Ymmv. Succes with your hose, soap, brushes and cleaning it all up again. My grandparents did the laundry by hand and if I remember correctly it took two or three days of the week.

Lou

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 22:44:06 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 12:58:14?AM UTC+2, John B. wrote:

>> But why pressure wash a bicycle? Soap and water followed by a rinse is
>> all I've ever needed :-)
>

>Good luck
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/u6r6C2oSsujN8SCT9
>Lou

There are easier ways to wash a dirty bicycle. For example:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=Riding+bicycle+with+scuba>

[Tom Kunich]

You have to remember that Slocomb is not a bicyclist and has no idea what he is talking about. If this was rec.bicycles.I_once_rode_a_bicycle he could make some sort of comment that makes sense. But it isn't. Between him and Liebermann we have all of the bicycle knowledge that can be found with a Google search if they bothered to do so. And most of the Google searches give nothing but crap.

[Roger Meriman]

I do tend to use the Garden hose though has a trigger nozzle so variable
pressures and so not as powerful as a pressure washer but seems to rinse
off the mud at least frame/wheels I find the gears do need to scrub though
with proper brushes it’s fairly quick!

One of the delights of summer is much less needed!

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Our water pressure around here is in general higher than car wash sprayers. What would give people the idea that cars don't have the same bearings as bicycles?

[John B.]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 10:15:40?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of my grandmothers did launder by hand (the other had a washing
machine) and it was a one day of the week project for washing and
drying and a second day for ironing.... From memory it was Monday,
washing day and Tuesday for ironing.
Of course, Grandma was "up and at them" early in the morning. My
Grandfather got up about 04:30 had a cup of coffee and went out to "do
the chores" and came back in for breakfast about five-thirty or six
o'clock.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:05:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:44:09?PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:

Well, no, I don't ride any more as I crashed severely enough to break
my pelvis about 12 years ago and was told then that as I got older the
hip joint would decrease in flexibility. So Now I walk with a cane.

But I consider myself lucky as some crash, damage their brain, and
never recover.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Our water pressure around here is in general higher than car
>wash sprayers.

Amazing. Residential water pressure is between 30 and 80 psi. Mine
is typically around 60 psi. Any higher than 100 psi and you start
blowing up water heaters and valves. Some of the houses at the bottom
of the hill require pressure regulators to reduce the excess pressure
down to 30 to 80 psi:
<https://www.nationwide.com/privateclient/loss-prevention/articles/water-pressure-safety-why-having-the-right-psi-matters>

Car wash pressure washers run between 1200 and 2200 psi.
<https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessories/g43581705/best-pressure-washers-tested/>
"1,500 psi is really all you need to get a good deep clean".

>What would give people the idea that cars don't have the same bearings as bicycles?

Cars do not use the same bearings as bicycles. Car bearings are MUCH
larger. What gave you the idea that car and bicycle bearings are the
same?

Score: 2 amazing facts, both wrong.

[John B.]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 22:02:39 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Our water pressure around here is in general higher than car
>>wash sprayers.
>
>Amazing. Residential water pressure is between 30 and 80 psi. Mine
>is typically around 60 psi. Any higher than 100 psi and you start
>blowing up water heaters and valves. Some of the houses at the bottom
>of the hill require pressure regulators to reduce the excess pressure
>down to 30 to 80 psi:
><https://www.nationwide.com/privateclient/loss-prevention/articles/water-pressure-safety-why-having-the-right-psi-matters>
>
>Car wash pressure washers run between 1200 and 2200 psi.
><https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessories/g43581705/best-pressure-washers-tested/>
>"1,500 psi is really all you need to get a good deep clean".
>
>>What would give people the idea that cars don't have the same bearings as bicycles?
>
>Cars do not use the same bearings as bicycles. Car bearings are MUCH
>larger. What gave you the idea that car and bicycle bearings are the
>same?
>
>Score: 2 amazing facts, both wrong.

Another point, perhaps worthy of notice. On a car many of the bearings
and seals are in rather out of the way locations where the blast of
water probably won't reach them, or won't reach them directly, while a
bicycle is all right out in the open. A sealing system designed to
overcome a 1,000 psi water blast, on, oh say the bottom bracket, might
make the bike a bit hard to pedal :-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:02:46 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Our water pressure around here is in general higher than car
> >wash sprayers.
> Amazing. Residential water pressure is between 30 and 80 psi. Mine
> is typically around 60 psi. Any higher than 100 psi and you start
> blowing up water heaters and valves. Some of the houses at the bottom
> of the hill require pressure regulators to reduce the excess pressure
> down to 30 to 80 psi:
> <https://www.nationwide.com/privateclient/loss-prevention/articles/water-pressure-safety-why-having-the-right-psi-matters>
>
> Car wash pressure washers run between 1200 and 2200 psi.
> <https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessories/g43581705/best-pressure-washers-tested/>
> "1,500 psi is really all you need to get a good deep clean".
> >What would give people the idea that cars don't have the same bearings as bicycles?
> Cars do not use the same bearings as bicycles. Car bearings are MUCH
> larger. What gave you the idea that car and bicycle bearings are the
> same?
>
> Score: 2 amazing facts, both wrong.
> --

I saw those and just did an eye-roll. I figured not even tommy is stupid enough to make those claims and consider them to be true. He _must_ be trolling.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 03:07:10 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Occam's Razor would indicate that trolling is both the simplest and
therefore the most likely explanation. Tom seems to benefit from all
the attention a wrong explanation or number provides. Tom lies, gets
attention, changes the subject, etc. When he runs out of steam, he
changes the subject to something he's more comfortable discussing, and
the process repeats itself. As long as he is the center of attention,
the cycle continues without end.

The obvious solution would be to simply ignore Tom and his lies.
However, I consider finding and demonstrating his mistakes a
challenge. Tom's amazing facts and contrived numbers can easily be
assumed to be wrong. They're so obvious that finding them has become
somewhat boring. What I find interesting is demonstrating and proving
that Tom's amazing facts and contrived numbers are wrong. Tom once
mentioned that he posts in RBT to obtain recognition for his
achievements (or something like that). Fact checking takes that
recognition away from him. Being the center of attention is a very
poor substitute for recognition.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/1/2023 1:09 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 03:07:10 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 1:02:46?AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:20:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our water pressure around here is in general higher than car
>>>> wash sprayers.
>>> Amazing. Residential water pressure is between 30 and 80 psi. Mine
>>> is typically around 60 psi. Any higher than 100 psi and you start
>>> blowing up water heaters and valves. Some of the houses at the bottom
>>> of the hill require pressure regulators to reduce the excess pressure
>>> down to 30 to 80 psi:
>>> <https://www.nationwide.com/privateclient/loss-prevention/articles/water-pressure-safety-why-having-the-right-psi-matters>
>>>
>>> Car wash pressure washers run between 1200 and 2200 psi.
>>> <https://www.caranddriver.com/car-accessories/g43581705/best-pressure-washers-tested/>
>>> "1,500 psi is really all you need to get a good deep clean".
>>>> What would give people the idea that cars don't have the same bearings as bicycles?
>>> Cars do not use the same bearings as bicycles. Car bearings are MUCH
>>> larger. What gave you the idea that car and bicycle bearings are the
>>> same?
>>>
>>> Score: 2 amazing facts, both wrong.

So much winning!

>> I saw those and just did an eye-roll. I figured not even tommy
>> is stupid enough to make those claims and consider them to be true.
>> He _must_ be trolling.
>
> Occam's Razor would indicate that trolling is both the simplest and
> therefore the most likely explanation. Tom seems to benefit from all
> the attention a wrong explanation or number provides. Tom lies, gets
> attention, changes the subject, etc. When he runs out of steam, he
> changes the subject to something he's more comfortable discussing, and
> the process repeats itself. As long as he is the center of attention,
> the cycle continues without end.

The simple "trolling" answer doesn't make sense to me. If that's was his
objective, wouldn't he post ideas that were at least faintly plausible?

Much of what he posts is akin to "2+2=5" or "The sun rises in the west"
or "The earth is flat." It's trivially easy to disprove. I don't see how
he can imagine it confers any status or approval.

But then, I've never understood the psychology of trolling. Psychopaths
are just weird.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:42:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/1/2023 1:09 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

(chomp)

>> Occam's Razor would indicate that trolling is both the simplest and
>> therefore the most likely explanation. Tom seems to benefit from all
>> the attention a wrong explanation or number provides. Tom lies, gets
>> attention, changes the subject, etc. When he runs out of steam, he
>> changes the subject to something he's more comfortable discussing, and
>> the process repeats itself. As long as he is the center of attention,
>> the cycle continues without end.

>The simple "trolling" answer doesn't make sense to me. If that's was his
>objective, wouldn't he post ideas that were at least faintly plausible?
>
>Much of what he posts is akin to "2+2=5" or "The sun rises in the west"
>or "The earth is flat." It's trivially easy to disprove. I don't see how
>he can imagine it confers any status or approval.

If Tom's motivations to lie were simple and easy to understand, they
would also be obvious. Simplistic theories, such as he craves
attention, recognition, acclaim, fame, fortune, etc are at best partly
correct. Something else is making Tom invent almost everything about
his life. It could be compulsive, such as him lying when there's no
benefit to the lie. If that's the cause, then we might as well stop
here and give up. There's nothing we can do to help. I had hoped
that by exposing his lies, he would realize that lying is futile, but
that hasn't happened. Why Tom continues his farce is the real
mystery. Does Tom really believe that his audience is so gullible
that he can safely continue to lie? I hope not.

I probably have enough of Tom's history and background to ruin his
facade and expose Tom's fragile imaginary life built upon a hollow and
empty foundation. I won't do that. There's no benefit to Tom, me or
anyone else. Tom has to recognize his problems and fix them by
himself. I had hoped that the threat of exposure would be sufficient
to inspire Tom to at least try to change, which hasn't happened. I
don't know where to go from here. I'll probably continue fact
checking his rubbish for the entertainment value.

>But then, I've never understood the psychology of trolling. Psychopaths
>are just weird.

The logic is easy enough. Something went wrong in Tom's past. At
this time, it's probably too late to do damage control. Everyone has
those kinds of problems that we wish had gone differently. I've done
a few things that I really regret. However, this kind of emotional
baggage does not direct my life. I accept what can't be changed and
move on to bigger and better mistakes.

Tom is not like that. My guess(tm) is that something went wrong in
his past. Or maybe he had great expectations and delusions of
grandeur that didn't materialize. He probably made an effort to fix
the wrongs but failed to adjust his expectations to match his
abilities. From his perspective, failing to meet one's expectations
makes them a failure. All he had to do was reduce his expectations to
match his abilities and he would have been fine. This happened to me
when I discovered that the road ahead in RF engineering was via
management and that I was a lousy manager. So, I accepted reality,
took a giant step backwards and went back to what I was doing before I
entered college. That was 1981 and my repair business supported my
decadent and lavish lifestyle until I retired in 2020. Tom could and
probably should have done something similar when he had problems
keeping jobs as a programmer.

Changing careers is not easy. My guess(tm) is he didn't realize what
was happening. When he eventually recognized that it was too late to
get an education or find a new career path, he probably decided that
it was easier to create an illusion than a reality. So, he contrived
a mythical life of expertise, accomplishments, general acclaim,
important acquaintances, financial success, and possibly a happy
family. Making and growing these illusions were probably what drove
his life from that point on. Going back to reality was probably far
too painful to consider.

I don't know where cycling fits into Tom's life. It's one of the few
areas where he can genuinely claim some superiority and success. I
was surprised and impressed when he began posting his rides on Strava.
I seriously expected that his previous rides were fabrications, but I
was wrong. Then, when the Garmin bugs and sensor problems were mostly
solved, he removed his data and his account from Strava, and refused
to explain why. Was Tom afraid of being only somewhat successful and
couldn't tolerate the thought of not being the best? We'll probably
never know.

I could go on with this forever, but this is not a good day for
burning time on the computer.

Score: No winners today.

[AMuzi]

> "No winners today"

Yes, that's right.
Winner was 1975 through 1992:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/stfw.html

[Catrike Rider]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:42:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>But then, I've never understood the psychology of trolling.

<EYEROLL> ...and yet, Krygowski's is, himself, a troll


Troll

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or
message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and
argument

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

[Frank Krygowski]

Sadly missed! Or well, the New Winner. I'm still hoarding cogs.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

It grows more and more epically foolish of Liebermann to continue talking as if he was EVER anyone at all. He supposedly has a degree though that could just as easily have been Photoshopped. He talks about bicycles as if he knows something about them but he has never actually ridden them as a sports rider. While that should make no difference were he to actually have something of value to say, he doesn't. I cannot describe how hot the Electronics market was in Silicon Valley and he was so worthless he couldn't get a job in the hottest market in the entire world. So he opened his own shop as a rather low end technician. Again, that wouldn't matter if he EVER had anything of value to say and again he never has. Just think about it. He thinks that he can tell what is going on inside of my computer by the external header on the entries on this group which have nothing whatsoever to do with internal processes. No wonder he couldn't get a job. Even HE has to know what rubbish he is spouting.

Krygowski is stuck in 1975 thinking that friction shifting on touring bikes is the ultimate in technology. He feels insulted to be told that he is behind the times. And to add insult to injury, he doesn't believe that I have kill filed him. Yet he believes that Smokesalot has killfiled me. Could this be a sign that he believes that every word he utters is somehow gold? That no one in their right mind would ever want to miss his self abuse? Then he and Flunky apparently love the very idea of communism. That is not going to turn out well for them. This country is going to use the millennial generation, 60% of whom think that communism is a good form of government, as punching bags as it were. Companies will not hire people with even a hint of communist sympathies. And the illegal aliens are going to take away all of the jobs that they could have done through manual labor. An onlooker emailed me that Frank insists that Flunky can program. Now if he could program why couldn't he explain a perfectly simple program WITH COMMENTS that explained what it was doing? How is it that Krygowski has the slightest idea of what Flunky is or isn't?

At the coffee shop today, there were a Ferrari and a Maserati parked. Flunky and Liebermann are talking about high pressure car washes as if they had a clue. Would you suppose that someone is going to run a Maserati through a car wash if the bearings would endangered by some high pressure soap spray? What the hell goes through their minds? They plainly contradict Lou, who like most bike riders I know run their own bikes though a wash-it-yourself setup. Cars like that Maserati get very dirty on the underside simply driving down the street and Flunky and Liebermann want you to believe that car washes would endanger very expensive cars. When bicycles have more safety features against weather damage.

But I will read yours and others quotes of those four and watch them make such fools out of themselves that everyone can see it. When I showed the absolute danger of the Covid-19 vaccines they went crazy with the "You don't know anything" and quoting "experts" like that fool Fauci. Now study after study has shown me right. The rest of the world has STOPPED recommending anyone under 20 to be vaccinated against covid-19 as I said in the first place. But the CDC continues the practice in the face of huge numbers of vaccine deaths in children. In childhood cancers that never occurred in such numbers and in 30% excess deaths in ALL age groups. Covid-19 disease is circulating ONLY among people who have been vaccinated and I can pretty much predict that Liebermann will have a reoccurrence of his cancer. It is too late to take back his vaccinations. Too bad, no one should be threatened by such a disease and I suppose that "I told you so" isn't of any help.

[Tom Kunich]

This all started with my quote of George Bernard Shaw - "Those who can, do, and those who can't teach". This was a mortal insult to Krygowski who somehow believed himself the fount of all knowledge. Then he was joined by others who themselves have been rather lower on the totem pole than anyone. I think I said before - Joining the Air Force was the beginning of my life. For Slocomb it was the end of his. The absolute peak of his life was as a lifer in the Air Force. Nothing wrong with that unless he wants to pretend that was important. One year after I got out of the Air Force I was hired by Berkeley Computer Corporation. The VP there turned out to hire me many times over the years. Jaime Tenadorio. I believe that he is a PhD. Most of the companies I worked for are now under a central umbrella of one of the first - Cadence Design Systems. One of my main managers was Nick Vrionis who holds all kinds on patents in things that have nothing to do with my area of research and development. I mostly worked on medical and laboratory instruments. Initially I designed them but it turned out that it was better if I assigned that simple work to other engineers and I worked almost entirely on the software since I could make these instruments do things that others couldn't. But that always led to me finding bugs in the designs of someone else and I would have to make large scale changes. That's what "development" in the R&D means.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I think I said before - Joining the Air Force was the beginning of my life. For Slocomb it was the end of his. The absolute peak of his life was as a lifer in the Air Force. Nothing wrong with that unless he wants to pretend that was important. One year after I got out of the Air Force I was hired by Berkeley Computer Corporation. The VP there turned out to hire me many times over the years. Jaime Tenadorio. I believe that he is a PhD. Most of the companies I worked for are now under a central umbrella of one of the first - Cadence Design Systems. One of my main managers was Nick Vrionis who holds all kinds on patents in things that have nothing to do with my area of research and development.

So why are Berkeley Computer Corporation (BCC) and Cadence Design
Systems missing from your online resume?
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>

(Nov 2, 2021)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/MyPJ4MA3e60/m/-TZfbH7xAQAJ>
"I was born in October of 1944. I joined at 17.5 Those with the
ability to add would assume that I joined the Air Force in May of
1961. 4 years of active duty and two years inactive liable to be
recalled would to most people mean that I got off of active duty in
1965 and finished my service of the Air Force in 1967."

One year out of the USAF would be 1968. BCC existed from 1968 to 1970
(or possibly 1972).
<https://gunkies.org/wiki/Berkeley_Computer_Corporation>
The chronology appears to be correct. Congratulations.

>I mostly worked on medical and laboratory instruments. Initially I designed them but it turned out that it was better if I assigned that simple work to other engineers and I worked almost entirely on the software since I could make these instruments do things that others couldn't. But that always led to me finding bugs in the designs of someone else and I would have to make large scale changes. That's what "development" in the R&D means.

The only proof that you were employed by any of the companies listed
on your resume is a document found by Jay Beattie.
See document page 27 (distribution list):
<http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/bcc/originals/Admin/BCC_A-11.pdf>
Your last name is listed under "engineering support", which doesn't
seem to be where one might list a programmer or designer, especially
since there is an existing "programming" group on the same
distribution list.

I couldn't find Tenadorio or Vrionis on the BCC distribution list.

Score: 3 claims. 1 correct, 1 lie and 1 questionable.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/1/2023 4:35 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> An onlooker emailed me that Frank insists that Flunky can program.

Tom, nobody believes you have a secret admirer who emails you summaries
of posts that are freely available on the internet. That nonsensical
claim makes you look even more deluded. Give up that pretense.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

But Tommy... the very first entry in your famous "resume" is a lie.
How can we believe that the rest of it is the "truth"?

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

But is it "trolling" when one posts from a position of almost total
ignorance of the subject being discussed?

Maybe we could invent a word "Ignoll" to indicate someone that "I
don't now nothing about it but I don't like it anyway" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 15:23:24 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

It's even worse.

From his posts he was an assistant to a qualified electric, or
electronics, technician, while on temporary duty on Guam. And, as he
states above his last year of active duty would have been 1965 which
correlates with Operation Arc Light which was active from 1965 to
1973..

Not stop and think for a moment. Here is a bloke that in his final
year of active duty service has advanced sufficiently to become a
"helper" to a qualified technician..... and is discharged and a year
later suddenly blossoms out as a designer of exotic medical equipment?

Heaven help the medical business.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 08:27:53 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The reality of the time was worse than your description. At the time,
the Vietnam war was winding down, the military aerospace sector was on
the decline, the space race was almost done, and the economy was in
the process of collapsing.

"AEROSPACE RECESSION"
<https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4221/ch7.htm>
<https://history.nasa.gov/SP-4221/p292.htm>
"Total aerospace employment reached a peak of over 1.4 million in
1967. It then slid downhill very rapidly, dropping to 900,000 in
mid-1971. Employment of production workers fell by nearly 50 percent,
from nearly 800,000 to just over 400,000. It was nearly as bad for
scientists and engineers, as their ranks dwindled from 235,000 in 1968
to 145,000 four years later."

I remember those days very well because I graduated from college
directly into the recession in 1971.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
Instead of a well paying aerospace job, I ended up fixing two-way
radios for a service shop:
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/index.html>

Some of my friend ended up washing dishes and waiting on tables. Tech
jobs were scarce and almost impossible to find. The few that managed
to obtain employment did it through government programs, nepotism or
relatives in the right places.

Into that mess arrives Tom, with zero relevant education, experience
or aptitude. My guess(tm) what really happened is that Tom took
whatever he could get. As the BCC directory indicates, he was under
"engineering support" which likely included everything that the
degreed engineers didn't want to do. A friend did that for a few
years and hated it. However, he was smart enough to make as many
connections to those that were likely to go places and take him with
them. In my part of the RF industry, top engineers didn't move to a
different company by themselves. Top engineers took everyone they
knew and trusted with them to the new company. So, when the economy
finally recovered (I forgot when), companies were again hiring and
could pick and chose from a substantial pool of formerly unemployed
and well educated workers.

[John B.]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 19:20:06 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

One of the reasons I went back overseas when I retired was that in
1972, when I retired from the Air Force, the "best job" I could find
was as a welder on Enewetak. Great salary and all, but I'd been there
during one of the "atomic tests" and didn't want to go back, and I
had a standing job offer in Thailand, which considering the low living
costs, was as much or more money in the bank, monthly, then anything I
found in California.

And, as I had spent a total of slightly more then ten years in Asia by
the time I retired it wasn't some strange exotic place, more like
"coming home" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

The "trolling" issue I referred to above involves demanding that
others defend their opinions.. essentiality demanding an argument.

[John B.]

On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 07:15:41 -0400, Catrike Rider

<sol...@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 07:30:55 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 16:23:25 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:42:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>But then, I've never understood the psychology of trolling.
>>>
>>><EYEROLL> ...and yet, Krygowski's is, himself, a troll
>>>
>>>
>>>Troll
>>>
>>>One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or
>>>message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and
>>>argument
>>>
>>>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
>>
>>
>>But is it "trolling" when one posts from a position of almost total
>>ignorance of the subject being discussed?
>>
>>Maybe we could invent a word "Ignoll" to indicate someone that "I
>>don't now nothing about it but I don't like it anyway" :-)
>
>The "trolling" issue I referred to above involves demanding that
>others defend their opinions.. essentiality demanding an argument.

Well, after all, your opinion can't possible count, unless it matches
Frankie's, can it. After all... HE was a school teacher.

But wait! A little research would seem to show that there are some
4,007,908 teachers in the United States.... And more then 20 million
AR type rifles in the hands of Americans, so, logically Frankie's
opinions have about 1/5th the value of the Good Gun Guys :-) Actually
1/4.990th :-)

(Assuming, of course, that the U.S. is still a democracy.)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 4:35:38 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> An onlooker emailed me that Frank insists that Flunky can program.

No one did that.

> Now if he could program why couldn't he explain a perfectly simple program WITH COMMENTS that explained what it was doing?

No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true.

> Flunky and Liebermann are talking about high pressure car washes as if they had a clue.

We have more of a clue than someone who thinks the pressure coming out of their garden hose is the same as a high-pressure car wash.

> Would you suppose that someone is going to run a Maserati through a car wash if the bearings would endangered by some high pressure soap spray? What the hell goes through their minds? They plainly contradict Lou, who like most bike riders I know run their own bikes though a wash-it-yourself setup.

Lou and I agreed, you stupid fuck.

> Cars like that Maserati get very dirty on the underside simply driving down the street

What about cars that _aren't_ like that Maserati? Do they get any more or less dirty?

> and Flunky and Liebermann want you to believe that car washes would endanger very expensive cars.

There's a reason you generally don't see very expensive cars at high-pressure car washes - It isn't good for the paint.

> When bicycles have more safety features against weather damage.

" bicycles have more safety features against weather damage"......wow.......

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:31:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 16:23:25 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 13:42:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> ><frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >>But then, I've never understood the psychology of trolling.
> >
> ><EYEROLL> ...and yet, Krygowski's is, himself, a troll
> >
> >
> >Troll
> >
> >One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or
> >message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and
> >argument
> >
> >https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
> But is it "trolling" when one posts from a position of almost total
> ignorance of the subject being discussed?

Yes.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/2/2023 8:57 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 4:35:38 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> An onlooker emailed me that Frank insists that Flunky can program.
>
> No one did that.
>

...

>
>> Would you suppose that someone is going to run a Maserati through a car wash if the bearings would endangered by some high pressure soap spray? What the hell goes through their minds? They plainly contradict Lou, who like most bike riders I know run their own bikes though a wash-it-yourself setup.
>
> Lou and I agreed, you stupid fuck.

About Tom, here's something to consider: He often claims he doesn't read
our posts. He claims instead to read reports of what we post, sent by
his imaginary friend.

Yes, it's very weird. But even weirder: What if it's true?

Tom gets _so much_ wrong about what people post. He's always accusing us
of saying things we never have said and never would say.

What if Tom's imaginary friend is messing with him? Feeding him false
information so he looks even sillier? And Tom foolishly believes it all?

How fun that even his invisible friend doesn't get along with Tom!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

I'm liking the idea. I'm guessing that a spoofed on-line persona that tells him exactly what he wants to hear would be more than capable of leading him along to make more outlandish claims. I'll have to come up with a sock-puppet account with a name like prestru...@hotmail.com would suck him right in. If it's true that he doesn't read our posts, he won't know it's coming.

> How fun that even his invisible friend doesn't get along with Tom!

Oh, they get along, kind of like the voices in head telling him "the pandemic is all lies!" and "the election was stolen!"

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:43:56 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm liking the idea. I'm guessing that a spoofed on-line persona that tells him exactly what he wants to hear would be more than capable of leading him along to make more outlandish claims. I'll have to come up with a sock-puppet account with a name like prestru...@hotmail.com would suck him right in. If it's true that he doesn't read our posts, he won't know it's coming.

"Imaginary friend"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_friend>

I've resisted the temptation to spoof Tom's imaginary friend because I
don't want to lower myself to his level.

Maybe an AI friend would make Tom happy:
<https://replika.com>
- The AI companion who cares
- Always here to listen and talk.
- Always on your side

There are also apps that can create photos of Tom hanging out with the
important people he claims to have "worked with":
<https://thechainsaw.com/business/app-uses-ai-photos-hanging-out-with-your-mates-midjourney/>
A photo would be better than claiming he received a phone call or
email from them.

[Tom Kunich]

I am told that Liebermann has stooped to the level of denying I had many, many important jobs while he was changing ink jet cartridges for others of his own low IQ. Or maybe the inference is that I never held those jobs. Funny how I have an investment account filled with money and he is living in a falling down shack in the hills around Santa Cruz. Since my investment counsellor exchanged my stocks for bond funds I expect my tax neutral status to be a little lower this mouth but with a guaranteed income and a total worth independent of the market that is about to crash with the failures of the people surrounding Joe Biden to blame everything on him.

Born to a poor family and making $27/month in the Air Force hardly enriched me so how is it that I have been taking my wife out to expensive restaurants several times a week? I am paying $50 for BREAKFAST. And three times that for supper. I had my wife tell me that my mother suffered from dementia in her final years and that I paid for her final three years in a rather expensive medical facility. I wonder what Liebermann did for his mother? Twiddled his thumbs and pretend she didn't exist? When my mother was healthy I bought her a house and paid for expensive R&D medical treatments. So how does he explain that? How did I own so many sailboats, not to mention top of the line automobiles. Of course, I must have been like Biden and ran a deficit. Only I never financed a thing in my life. Born poor I paid cash or did without. How did I pay for a lifetime membership in the 2nd oldest Yacht Club on San Francisco Bay?

Now even RFK Jr. is calling for prosecutions and he and Trump are of one mind. So we know for certain that at 26% approval rating they cannot pretend that it isn't election fraud if they try to claim that Biden won again. ("Do not underestimate Biden's ability to fuck things up", Barrack Obama) I wonder at what point that the California liberals are going to have it up to the chins with the failures of the Democrats? It is the people living in Hollywood and Piedmont that are becoming afraid for their very lives under Gavin Loathsome. A change is coming. What will Liebermann do without a Welfare check each month? How would he pay for his failing health without Medicare and MediCal? Plainly he will make other erroneous claims about me to sooth his failing heart.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/3/2023 4:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I am told that Liebermann has stooped to the level of denying I had many, many important jobs...

I think the main objection is the "important" part, and especially the
required level of technical expertise.

People with truly important jobs don't change jobs an average of once
per year, as you seem to have done. Doing that is certainly a way to
have "many, many" jobs, but it indicates that the person in question was
considered very disposable.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 13:52:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am told that Liebermann has stooped to the level of denying...

Interesting how you've started using my "stooped to" metaphor
immediately after allegedly not reading my postings.

>I had many, many important jobs

I've read your online resume many times.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
You've had 13 jobs, which I wouldn't call many, much less many many.
They span from 1984 to 2009 plus 1/2 year in 2014. That would be a
span of about 26 years or about 2 jobs per year. Important people,
with important jobs, do not job hop every 2 years for their entire
career. Perhaps the missing jobs were on your mythical 14 page
resume?

>while he was changing ink jet cartridges for others of his own
>low IQ.

For a time, I was refilling ink and toner cartridges. As prices on
3rd party refills dropped, this became unprofitable. It was also
mess.

>Or maybe the inference is that I never held those jobs.

The jobs you never held were the ones you claimed but never listed in
your resume. NASA, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Lawrence
Berkeley National Laboratory, ETEC, and Analog Devices. You also
claimed to have a degree in navigation from Pacific Marine Academy and
some kind of degree from Chabot College. I can supply links to these
claims if it helps you remember.

>Funny how I have an investment account filled with money and he
>is living in a falling down shack in the hills around Santa Cruz.
>Since my investment counsellor exchanged my stocks for bond funds
>I expect my tax neutral status to be a little lower this mouth
>but with a guaranteed income and a total worth independent of
>the market that is about to crash with the failures of the people
>surrounding Joe Biden to blame everything on him.

I don't believe that you have much savings or investments. My
guess(tm) is that you did a reverse mortgage on your mother's house in
2011 and are currently living on social security and Medicare.

>Born to a poor family and making $27/month in the Air Force
>hardly enriched me so how is it that I have been taking my
>wife out to expensive restaurants several times a week? I am
>paying $50 for BREAKFAST. And three times that for supper.

If you did regularly, you would be seriously fat by now. If you must
lie, try to make the lies believable.

>I had my wife tell me that my mother suffered from dementia
>in her final years and that I paid for her final three years
>in a rather expensive medical facility.

So, please explain why your name does not appear on your mother's two
online epitaphs? If you were so caring, you probably would be
responsible for arranging her affairs, epitaph and funeral after she
died. Surely, you couldn't have forgot to include yourself as a
surviving relative?
<https://www.grissomsmortuary.com/obituaries/detail/violet-kunich>
<https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ca/san-leandro/violet-kunich-8572417>

>I wonder what Liebermann did for his mother?
>Twiddled his thumbs and pretend she didn't exist?

Not much. She had a heart attack and died the same night. I was
visiting my parents when she had the heart attack. I gave her CPR for
about 30 minutes until the paramedics arrived. The ambulance that
took her to the Cedar Sinai hospital got lost and was 15 mins late.
The doctors operated immediately but it was too late. I spent the
rest of my time consoling my father, making funeral arrangements,
dealing with the attorneys, and other details that fell to me by
default.

>When my mother was healthy I bought her a house and paid for
>expensive R&D medical treatments.

Forgive me for not trusting you, but I don't believe that you did
that.

>So how does he explain that? How did I own so many sailboats,
>not to mention top of the line automobiles. Of course, I must
>have been like Biden and ran a deficit. Only I never financed
>a thing in my life. Born poor I paid cash or did without.

It's not my job to "explain" that. It's your job to explain and if
possible prove, what you did. As before, I don't believe your claims
of wealth, lavish living, medical expenses, and buying her house.

>How did I pay for a lifetime membership in the 2nd oldest Yacht
>Club on San Francisco Bay?

I don't believe that you were ever a life member. This does not look
like a valid lifetime membership card? It me, it looks like a bad
counterfeit:
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wf2THtDmjYaGW68g9>
It must have been a very poor yacht club to have such shoddy
membership cards.

>Now even RFK Jr. is calling for prosecutions and he and Trump
>are of one mind. So we know for certain that at 26% approval
>rating

Wrong. 44% approval rating:
<https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/>
Please try not to contrive numbers when easily available statistics
are available. It's interesting to look at the graphs. Notice that
most of the presidents listed show a generally decreasing approval
rating as they progress through their term(s). Click on "8 year"
button and try the "approval", "disaproval" and "net approval"
buttons. More:
<https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/>

>(irrlevant politicized rubbish deleted)

>What will Liebermann do without a Welfare check each month? How
>would he pay for his failing health without Medicare and MediCal?
>Plainly he will make other erroneous claims about me to sooth
>his failing heart.

Most of my current income is from Social Security. I have a five
figure savings/checking account and a few bonds. No stocks. Medicare
is the reason I'm not impoverished. I don't qualify for Medical. I
don't have supplementary Medicare insurance. If I have unplanned
medical expenses, I can reverse mortgage my house.

Most everything you claimed here is a lie or fabrication. Thank you
for taking the time to trash my evening.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 4, 2023 at 12:17:54 AM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jul 2023 13:52:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> mess.
> >Or maybe the inference is that I never held those jobs.
> The jobs you never held were the ones you claimed but never listed in
> your resume. NASA, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Lawrence
> Berkeley National Laboratory, ETEC, and Analog Devices. You also
> claimed to have a degree in navigation from Pacific Marine Academy and
> some kind of degree from Chabot College. I can supply links to these
> claims if it helps you remember.

Let's not forget he recently claimed to be a senior software developer for Sun Microsystems (smart move, leaving that off your resume)

> >Funny how I have an investment account filled with money and he
> >is living in a falling down shack in the hills around Santa Cruz.
> >Since my investment counsellor exchanged my stocks for bond funds
> >I expect my tax neutral status to be a little lower this mouth
> >but with a guaranteed income and a total worth independent of
> >the market that is about to crash with the failures of the people
> >surrounding Joe Biden to blame everything on him.

jutelist#2. Repeatedly accusing people of being on welfare. He worries that he'll end up on welfare

> I don't believe that you have much savings or investments. My
> guess(tm) is that you did a reverse mortgage on your mother's house in
> 2011 and are currently living on social security and Medicare.
> >Born to a poor family and making $27/month in the Air Force
> >hardly enriched me so how is it that I have been taking my
> >wife out to expensive restaurants several times a week? I am
> >paying $50 for BREAKFAST. And three times that for supper.
> If you did regularly, you would be seriously fat by now. If you must
> lie, try to make the lies believable.

And yet, he claims he can't afford a $2500 bike and has to wait to buy cold-weather clothing because it's too expensive.

> >I had my wife tell me that my mother suffered from dementia
> >in her final years and that I paid for her final three years
> >in a rather expensive medical facility.

he had to have his wife tell him that?

> >When my mother was healthy I bought her a house and paid for
> >expensive R&D medical treatments.
> Forgive me for not trusting you, but I don't believe that you did
> that.

Besides - why would he pay for expensive R&D treatments when she was healthy?

> >So how does he explain that? How did I own so many sailboats,
> >not to mention top of the line automobiles.

But he refuses to spend $10K on a bicycle, currently drives an economy car, and can't afford to move out of his hellhole neighborhood.

> Of course, I must
> >have been like Biden and ran a deficit. Only I never financed
> >a thing in my life. Born poor I paid cash or did without.
> It's not my job to "explain" that. It's your job to explain and if
> possible prove, what you did. As before, I don't believe your claims
> of wealth, lavish living, medical expenses, and buying her house.

He bought her house, he didn't buy her a house.

> >How did I pay for a lifetime membership in the 2nd oldest Yacht
> >Club on San Francisco Bay?
> I don't believe that you were ever a life member. This does not look
> like a valid lifetime membership card? It me, it looks like a bad
> counterfeit:
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wf2THtDmjYaGW68g9>
> It must have been a very poor yacht club to have such shoddy
> membership cards.

Based on photos from their website and facebook page, they don't exactly cater to the yachting elite. Not that this is a bad thing, and it isn't meant to denigrate the club and their membership in any way, it's that it isn't some sort of elite organization as tommy infers, you don't even need to own a boat to become a member. Haverhill has a yacht club as well with seemingly similar membership structure. It actually looks quite similar in demographics to the Aeolian.

> Most everything you claimed here is a lie or fabrication.

Not just here, in general.

> Thank you
> for taking the time to trash my evening.

Tom is now and always has been a fucking joke. I think you're taking him a bit too seriously.