Silca's latest

[Tom Kunich]

Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:54:06 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.

Porous steel bicycle chain? Amazing.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[John B.]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 13:34:57 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:54:06 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.
>
>Porous steel bicycle chain? Amazing.

Oh! You didn't know? Ah well, neither did Tommy :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 2/20/2024 3:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:54:06 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.
>
> Porous steel bicycle chain? Amazing.
>

Try the manufacturer's page without translation:
https://silca.cc/products/chain-waxing-system

Chain makers apply lubricant hot so penetration is very good
on a new chain.

Since no one agrees after that, various aftermarket products
(oils, teflon lubricants, waxes) extend to every belief
system and Silca is no different in that regard.
--
Andrew Muzi
a...@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

Can you imagine that Slocomb and Liebermann have never had sufficient experience with metals to know that ALL metals are porous to some extent? I realize the Liebermann knows nothing and has never done anything so he is totally ignorant of that fact. But Slocomb could only come to that conclusion because it is such common knowledge that they usually don't mention it is such terms as porosity so flagrant that air or fluids can actually leak through castings or forgings. So he looks it up and there is nothing said about it and since his entire knowledge base is Google, he scoffs.

You would think that he would wonder why oil sticks to metal surfaces.

[Tom Kunich]

I hate to break in on your ignorance but ball bearings are porous.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/20/2024 6:42 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I hate to break in on your ignorance but ball bearings are porous.

Also:

> ALL metals are porous to some extent.

Please do explain!

Porous enough that molecules of liquid or wax can soak into the metal's
crystalline matrix?

Bullshit. Give us your source, your evidence.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/20/2024 5:09 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Try the manufacturer's page without translation:
> https://silca.cc/products/chain-waxing-system

I realize it's just a product advertisement; but "to make you
ready-to-roll for having the cleanest, quietest and most efficient
drivetrain possible" might make the close-minded wax lube skeptics doubt
their religious views.

But probably not.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:17:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>You would think that he would wonder why oil sticks to metal surfaces.

Because oil has a low surface tension. Water has a high surface
tension which causes water to bead up on metal surfaces. Oil spreads
out over a larger area causing the oil to stick better than water. The
"stickiness" of oil can be increased by adding a sulfur based ester
additive will improve the stickiness of oil. That's how sticky
chainsaw bar oil functions.

There are types of metal structures which are porous, such as sintered
and compressed powder metals. Sintered bronze bushings is an example.
These have the structure of a sponge and like a sponge, will absorb
fluids. However, they're not very strong and are therefore unsuitable
for bicycle chains. However, larger sintered bronze sleeve bushings,
such as conveyor belt bushings are made with porous sintered bronze
bushings. There are bronze plated bicycle chain made mostly for rust
proofing and fashion appeal, but the bronze is plated onto a steel
chain and is not porous.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:42:32 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>

wrote:

>On Tue Feb 20 13:34:57 2024 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:54:06 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.
>>
>> Porous steel bicycle chain? Amazing.

>I hate to break in on your ignorance but ball bearings are porous.

The surface roughness of ball bearing balls and races are
intentionally finished to be rather rough instead of being polished to
a mirror finish. That's because a rough surface has a larger surface
area than a smooth mirror surface. The larger surface area gives the
oil more surface area with which to adhere (stick). A rough surface
also produces a larger contact patch between the ball to race
surfaces, which reduces contact pressure. Beyond the surface finish,
the rest of the bearing ball and race is solid metal which is
impervious to penetration by oil, grease, or wax.

Got any examples of porous ball bearings (or bearing balls)?
<https://www.google.com/search?q=porous+ball+bearings>
If Google can't find it, it probably doesn't exist.

Incidentally, you can find porous metal bearings, which turn out to be
sintered bronze bushings and not steel balls.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=porous+metal+bearings>

[John B.]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:17:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

More of Tommy's blather. But supposing that he were correct then ships
at sea would absorb sufficient water to sink. Airplane fuel tanks
would be dripping on the ramp, your cooking gas tanks would become a
bomb you'd fill your car gas tank and a week later it would be empty.

Tommy, not only are you "full of shit" but you are incredibly stupid.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Ryder]

Why do you have such a problem with people who simply disagree with
your opinions?

The narcissist perceives every disagreement - let alone criticism - as
nothing short of a threat. He reacts defensively. He becomes
indignant, aggressive and cold. He detaches emotionally for fear of
yet another (narcissistic) injury. He devalues the person who made the
disparaging remark.

By holding the critic in contempt, by diminishing the stature of the
discordant conversant - the narcissist minimises the impact of the
disagreement or criticism on himself. This is a defence mechanism
known as cognitive dissonance.

Like a trapped animal, the narcissist is forever on the lookout: was
this comment meant to demean him? Was this utterance a deliberate
attack? Gradually, his mind turns into a chaotic battlefield of
paranoia and ideas of reference until he loses touch with reality and
retreats to his own world of fantasised and unchallenged grandiosity.

When the disagreement or criticism or disapproval or approbation are
public, though, the narcissist tends to regard them as Narcissistic
Supply! Only when they are expressed in private - does the narcissist
rage against them.

The cerebral narcissist is as competitive and intolerant of criticism
or disagreement as his somatic counterpart. The subjugation and
subordination of others demand the establishment of his undisputed
intellectual superiority or professional authority.

https://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-self-love/narcissists-disagreement-and-criticism

[zen cycle]

and irony meters all over the internet explode.

[AMuzi]

Don't overlook Veblen.
'My $99 system is better than your $3.95 lubricant.'

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/20/2024 10:22 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 15:17:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You would think that he would wonder why oil sticks to metal surfaces.
>
> Because oil has a low surface tension. Water has a high surface
> tension which causes water to bead up on metal surfaces. Oil spreads
> out over a larger area causing the oil to stick better than water. The
> "stickiness" of oil can be increased by adding a sulfur based ester
> additive will improve the stickiness of oil. That's how sticky
> chainsaw bar oil functions.
>
> There are types of metal structures which are porous, such as sintered
> and compressed powder metals. Sintered bronze bushings is an example.
> These have the structure of a sponge and like a sponge, will absorb
> fluids. However, they're not very strong and are therefore unsuitable
> for bicycle chains. However, larger sintered bronze sleeve bushings,
> such as conveyor belt bushings are made with porous sintered bronze
> bushings. There are bronze plated bicycle chain made mostly for rust
> proofing and fashion appeal, but the bronze is plated onto a steel
> chain and is not porous.

+1

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

[Frank Krygowski]

Was Tom deluded by dim recollections of Sheldon Brown's Superleggero
hollow bearing balls?

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lirpa.html#superleggero

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 2:09:44 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:

Liebermann and Slocomb believe that metals do not have pores. Looking at my other newsreader it also appears that Slocomb thinks that pores means holes in the metal.

[Tom Kunich]

Between you and Frank you are the idiot twins.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Do+metal+surgaces+have+pores&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2Fmetals%2Fmetals-08-00899%2Farticle_deploy%2Fhtml%2Fimages%2Fmetals-08-00899-g003-550.jpg

How many photographs do you need? Not to mention that BRONZE IS NOT plated onto a normal chain. You can buy a "gold chain" that is brass plated but like ALL metals it also has pores. When you don't know shit why do you and Frank like to make it public?

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/21/2024 11:18 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Do+metal+surgaces+have+pores&atb=v366-1&t=chromentp&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mdpi.com%2Fmetals%2Fmetals-08-00899%2Farticle_deploy%2Fhtml%2Fimages%2Fmetals-08-00899-g003-550.jpg
>
> How many photographs do you need? Not to mention that BRONZE IS NOT plated onto a normal chain. You can buy a "gold chain" that is brass plated but like ALL metals it also has pores. When you don't know shit why do you and Frank like to make it public?

Your photos are irrelevant to the questions regarding bicycle chains and
ball bearings. Neither are porous at a scale that would allow molecules
of liquid or wax lube to soak into the metal to any practical degree.
That idea is ignorant fantasy,

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:07:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Apparently Tommy has invented a new meaning for the word "pore" as the
English alphabet defines "pore"as
pore ~ noun uncommon

1. any tiny hole admitting passage of a liquid (fluid or gas)

2. any small opening in the skin or outer surface of an animal

3. a minute epidermal pore in a leaf or stem through which gases and
water vapor can pass
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:07:54 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 2:09:44?PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 3:34 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 20:54:06 GMT, Tom Kunich <cycl...@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Silca just released a product that converts the factory original greese to wax. This factory greese is soaked into every pore of the chain so that is a rather large step forward in bicycle chemistry.
>> >
>> > Porous steel bicycle chain? Amazing.
>> >
>> Try the manufacturer's page without translation:
>> https://silca.cc/products/chain-waxing-system
>>
>> Chain makers apply lubricant hot so penetration is very good
>> on a new chain.
>>
>> Since no one agrees after that, various aftermarket products
>> (oils, teflon lubricants, waxes) extend to every belief
>> system and Silca is no different in that regard.

>Liebermann and Slocomb believe that metals do not have pores. Looking at my other newsreader it also appears that Slocomb thinks that pores means holes in the metal.

Your other newsreader should show the same text as whatever you are
currently using. If they are different, you have a big problem.

If you're wondering about porosity in metals, here's an article for
you to read which might explain something about porosity measurement.

"How to measure the materials porosity"
<https://www.atriainnovation.com/en/how-to-measure-the-materials-porosity/>

Quiz: What is the size of the "holes" in your porous steel ball
bearings or bicycle chains? Show you method of measurement and/or
sources.

Extra credit: Explain why the your holes do not constitute a stress
riser which will eventually cause the bicycle chain or steel ball
bearing to crack in half.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 08:18:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

What are "surgaces"? Thinks about installing and using a spelling
checker.

Some light reading:
"Pores in metal: myth or reality?"
<https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/d6pqvf/pores_in_metal_myth_or_reality/>
Let me know when you find a ball bearing or bicycle chain with pores
large enough to pass oil or wax molecules.

>How many photographs do you need? Not to mention that BRONZE IS NOT plated onto a normal chain. You can buy a "gold chain" that is brass plated but like ALL metals it also has pores.

Bronze plated bicycle chain:
<https://www.searspr.com/bell-sports-bell-sports-7070948-links-300-1/p-SPM16515278007>
What is a "normal" bicycle chain?

>When you don't know shit why do you and Frank like to make it public?

Tom. I've taken some trouble to not engage in name calling, labeling,
insults and lies. I've also avoided responding to those in the same
manner. In other words, I don't believe it's productive to act like
you. Feel free to continue your insults. I don't care and I don't
think anyone else does either.

Drivel 1: I notice that you're back to using Google Groups. Before
you disappear, what did you find wrong with NewsHosting.com?

Drivel 2: I've been having missing article problems with
Supernews.com. I just signed up with individual.net (thanks Jeorg)
and switched NNTP server to news.individual.net. About 25 missing
articles magically appeared. Jeorg's article suggesting
individual.net appeared. Unfortunately, the 25 articles did not
include two of my recent article that I had posted and which
disappeared.

Drivel 3: I'm done with cataract surgery. I passed the final
inspection yesterday. Vision is greatly improved and no major
problems. One remaining minor problem is photophobia (sensitivity to
light). I still need to wear sunglasses in bright sunlight, which
fortunately is currently rather scarce in the gloom of winter.

[AMuzi]

I didn't comment on 'metal porosity', per the wise Wolfgang
Pauli:

https://www.azquotes.com/author/21450-Wolfgang_Pauli