CHARTING THE ATTEMPT BY GENE DANIELS aka DATAKOLL TO TAKE OVER rec. bicycles.tech (RBT)

[Andre Jute]

I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT). Perhaps I can use it as a case study in self-delusion and overweening, entirely unjustified ambition for my grad students, as I did the earlier attempts of the Magnequest Scum to take over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).

Andre Jute
Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res

[Andre Jute]

GENE DANIELS AKA DATAKOLL TRIES TO REDEFINE RBT AS AN EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN NEWSGROUP

Earlier Daniels told me I should respect him more because he's an American. He gave no other reason, apparently considerng it enough to be an American. (I apologise for not saving the reference, but it became clear only later that it was part of a pattern.) At the time I merely thought, "The Ugly American is alive and well, and his name is Gene Daniels," and moved on.

Next, Daniels claimed that RBT is an American group:

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:18:36 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> this is our group not yours

And again,
On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:37:59 AM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> You are in our group not your group as a matter of language and style.

Actually, there is nothing in the RBT founding documents to describe RBT as American, there are very likely more members of RBT elsewhere than in the US, and it is extremely doubtful that even among the American members a majority could be found to support Daniels' cramped isolationism and destructive, self-aggrandizing xenophobia.

[Andre Jute]

GENE DANIELS AKA DATAKOLL TRIES TO SET HIMSELF UP AS THE MEMBERSHIP FUHRER OF RBT

Not satisfied with that, Daniels then laughably tried to set himself up as the arbiter of who can belong to RBT:

On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:37:59 AM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:

> I understand your place is in Australia ?
> Your standards are more than acceptable in North America

Apparently Daniels also believes that he has the right to exclude anyone whose sensible opinions detracts from the attention he believes he deserves for his inane witterings:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, datakoll wrote to Andre Jute:
> you should stay home

Worse, the little scumbag Daniels then tries to threaten me:
On Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:33:58 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=andre+jute&hl=en&site=imghp&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=MyyOUebHM4-08QT514HIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&biw=960&bih=529

The URL given by Daniels leads to 407,000 internet references about me. What Daniels is telling me is, "You're a public figure. Beware, pay me respect, or I will assault your reputation on the net, and cost you money." It is the equivalent of a sneak thief stealing your wallet with your wages in it.

[Andre Jute]

GENE DANIELS AKA DATAKOLL TRIES TO REDEFINE THE PURPOSE OF RBT, AND TO USE IT AS A MEMBERSHIP CONTROL

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 3:46:45 AM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> there's no DIY here beyond the EEE group
> surly not from you.

You should read the charter, Daniels, if you can. This is not solely a DIY conference, and doing DIY is not a prerequisite for membership.

Andre Jute
Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res

GENE DANIELS AKA DATAKOLL TRIES TO EXPLAIN WHY HE SHOULD BE THE BOSS OF RBT

When Daniels was sharply pulled up for his attempt to take over the newsgroup by members telling him he didn't speak for them, he explained his reasons for his ludicrous belief that he should be in a position of authority over us.

On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:37:59 AM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:

> I'm the main provider. Check that.

Frankly, I fell off my chair laughing. (Well, actually I was reading it on my iPad on an exercise machine, and I fell off that. The chair at my desk has arms.) If the leadership of RBT, assuming only for the moment that we should all go mushy in the head and require leadership at all, were to devolve purely by number of inane posts, surely the Tibetan Monkey would have a much, much greater claim to be fuhrer of RBT than Daniels.

Yo, Daniels, you want to improve the quality of your posts from threats, gay bashing, anti-semitism, and incomprehensible stupidities, irrelevant URLs, and suchlike thicko posts — and then you'll still be surplus to requirements. You're the main provider of idiocies.

[Andre Jute]

[Andre Jute]

GENE DANIELS AKA DATAKOLL TRIES TO CONTROL WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT SAY ON RBT

This semi-literate little man Daniels even more risibly attempted to set himself up as the arbiter of what others can and cannot say:

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:18:36 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:

>we ask for civility at least a tempering of what you consider 'humor'

Amusingly, in a classic example of dark motive transference, he tried to project his own intent onto me:
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:18:36 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:> your intent isnot discussion, it is rule. You work on
> exercizing power not discussion.

Yeah, I have whole newspapers, and a TV channel, and my books, to exercise influence in, so I should want RBT. Pull the other one, sonny. (It appears never to have occurred to this unsophisticated redneck that people like me don't need to exercise control because most people agree with us most of the time. Persuasion is so much cheaper and more agreeable than control.)

[Andre Jute]

WHY SHOULD DANIELS, OR ANYONE, WANT TO TAKE OVER RBT?
The question does arise, why should anyone want to control a small, low-membership, contentious (indeed, often unpleasant) little niche conference of fringe cyclists? I doubt that even the most desperate trader believes he can sell the members enough stuff to make it worthwhile.

Of course, some people with hall monitor mentalities cannot see the smallest group without trying to control its actions and thoughts. Fascism runs deep in the psyche of a certain personality type. On RBT, for instance, we see Krygowski go postal every time people even largely in agreement with him differ on some minor detail of implementation of cycling codes, and Lee, a born follower, never fails to stand half a pace behind Krygo's shoulder, parroting his every utterance.

Daniels, despite his pose of being a revolutionary, is clearly a closet control freak.

Perhaps Daniels wants to control RBT to spread his pornographic smut:
On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 7:33:21 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> the porno is endless
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1152&bih=635&q=MODEL+IN+TURTLE+NECK+SWEATER&oq=MODEL+IN+TURTLE+NECK+SWEATER&gs_l=img.3...1212.11273.0.12409.44.22.0.16.16.3.544.2936.8j10j1j5-1.20.0...0.0...1ac.1.12.img.6dbgLurV6bs#hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=NUDE+MODEL++IN+SWEATER&oq=NUDE+MODEL++IN+SWEATER&gs_l=img.12...6853.13673.0.17758.9.9.0.0.0.0.244.1475.1j5j3.9.0...0.0...1c.1.12.img.10uCbM5xpmo&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46226182,d.eWU&fp=bdfb50b01ad88694&biw=1152&bih=635

Or perhaps Daniels wants to control RBT to spread his homophobia:
On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:39:18 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> I have longish hair for nonj sexual reasons. Local Nopise said THEY recruited n2 homosexuals from Homosexualville to spray me...

Or perhaps Daniels wants to control RBT to spread his anti-semitism:
On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:39:18 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> Jewish homosexuals, I assume.

[Andre Jute]

Whatever. It's a sick joke for this vicious, crude, anti-semitic, homophobic, illiterate jerk Gene Daniels aka Datakoll even to aspire to the leadership of any newsgroup, never mind one mainly inhabited by educated, tolerant-minded people.

[AMuzi]

You're welcome to your opinion but Gene has given us much,
including the timeless advice on wheelbuilding methods using
a dead chicken (27 September, 2002)

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Rob Lindauer]

Andre Jute wrote:


Sigh. With my kids, I could just say "take it outside, kids."
Unfortunately that doesn't work with the childish spats here.

--
Rob Lindauer, rli...@attglobal.net (replace "att" with "sbc")

[davethedave]

You are now indulging in the same multipost stupidity that got Mr Koll
chucked in my killfile. You've had your rant, now get a killfile of your
own and move on.

Half and halfs and Bushmills was it? ;)
--
davethedave

[Andre Jute]

Exactly. I am entitled to my opinion. What you fail to explain, Andrew, is how Daniels' shenanigans with a dead chicken six years ago entitles him to:

1. Leadership of RBT.
2. To decide what the purpose of RBT is.
3. To decide who may be members of RBT.
4. To attempt to drive out members of RBT in good standing.
5. To threaten members of RBT in good standing.
6. To interfere in the livehood of members of RBT in good standing.
7. To subvert RBT into an isolationist, Americans-only, group.

Do we take it then, Andrew, since you don't separate yourself from them, that you approve of this scumball Daniels's anti-social activities, outlined above?

Andre Jute
Standing tall for decency

[Andre Jute]

Oh, I've just started. You can either prepare to laugh at the antics of the scumball Daniels, and his mates, as I impale them on their own words, or treat it as an entertainment, or you should put me in a killfile until this is over.

> Half and halfs and Bushmills was it? ;)

I'm shocked at the suggestion. I had a glass of wine with dinner, after I wrote that. No, putting down the enemies of society is what I do for living, and for fun too.

> davethedave

If you're squeamish, get a killfile, Dave. I don't care who I offend when I'm right -- they just prove themselves baddies by being offended by principle -- but I wouldn't want to bore a useful and amusing contributor.

Andre Jute

PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

[davethedave]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 14:05:34 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

<snip>

> Oh, I've just started. You can either prepare to laugh at the antics of
> the scumball Daniels, and his mates, as I impale them on their own
> words, or treat it as an entertainment, or you should put me in a
> killfile until this is over.
>
>> Half and halfs and Bushmills was it? ;)
>
> I'm shocked at the suggestion. I had a glass of wine with dinner, after
> I wrote that. No, putting down the enemies of society is what I do for
> living, and for fun too.

A Glass of wine! A GLASS of wine. ONE glass. I myself am shocked. There
is only one thing better than a glass of wine with dinner. That's two
glasses. If you look upon a glass as being 250 you get three to a bottle.
It really does at that point seem a shame to leave that one glass in the
bottle.

> If you're squeamish, get a killfile, Dave. I don't care who I offend
> when I'm right -- they just prove themselves baddies by being offended
> by principle -- but I wouldn't want to bore a useful and amusing
> contributor.

I don't think you'll ever be boring. Offensive on the other hand. ;)

> PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my
> favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?

Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is
fantastic if you can get it. http://blackwoodsgin.net/ The Angostura
bitters sets it off beautifully. As for the half and half it's a Guinness
and pale ale mix. Due to the difference in relative densities of the ale
and the Guinness they come out to be a beautiful colour range. If
carefully poured they can be very beautifully split in the middle. The
rest of the world calls it a black and tan but that never went down too
well in your neck of the woods due to some kind of Churchillian inspired
outfit famed for being a bit over the top in their beating of civilians.

--
davethedave

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:57:37 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:

> > PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my
>
> > favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?
>
> Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is
>
> fantastic if you can get it. http://blackwoodsgin.net/ The Angostura
>
> bitters sets it off beautifully.

The little town I live in is so rich that, besides the extensive liquor sections in the supermarkets and all the quality grocers', we have two fantastic liquor shops. There is nothing, no matter how obscure, that I cannot ask them to find for me. Right now I'm drinking Maury (a grenache liquor, like having a chocolate vine under your window) in the rather limited Mas Amiel variety, of which the local bottle shop got me two vintages. I'll look out for Blackwood's.

> As for the half and half it's a Guinness
>
> and pale ale mix. Due to the difference in relative densities of the ale
>
> and the Guinness they come out to be a beautiful colour range. If
>
> carefully poured they can be very beautifully split in the middle.

Mmm, interesting, but because I'm professionally interested in gradations of color, not because I drink either porter or ale. (I didn't drink beer even when I worked for Whitbread, the British brewer.)

>The
>
> rest of the world calls it a black and tan but that never went down too
>
> well in your neck of the woods due to some kind of Churchillian inspired
>
> outfit famed for being a bit over the top in their beating of civilians.

Oh, the Blacks and Tans didn't just beat people, they killed them. The remnants of their fort, where they tortured the relatives of people I know to death, is five minutes on foot from where I sit writing this to you, and actually visible from my front door across the river: find the church spire in the trees, follow it down, and there the remaining stones are. I used to sit in the chair in which Michael Collins ate his last meal in the local hotel, until someone disappeared the chair (probably into a private American collection); I often ride out to Beal na Blath, where Collins was shot. Less than 50 paces from my front door is plaque on a wall commemorating the man who most likely organized the assassination of Michael Collins, "General" (in life he never aspired to more than the honorary title Commandant, roughly the equivalent of a major) Tom Barry. An Irish publisher told me a story about him. When she was a little girl, her father published Tom Barry's memoirs. This was back when publishers feared nothing more than a writ for libel. Shortly a writ for libel arrived from Lieutenant-General Percival. He had been the commander of the Blacks and Tans in the local barracks. The old publisher was beside himself with trepidation about a court case he could not win. He called in Tom Barry, who said airily that he would fix it and left. The poor old publisher grew ulcers waiting. My informant was with him about six weeks later when he ran into Barry in the street. "Oh, that's fixed," Barry said. "I wrote to Percival, 'I had you in my sights once. I won't miss a second time.' You won't hear from him again." The publisher didn't. The Irish have long memories: a modern suburb of my town is nicknamed Singapura, a corruption of Singapore, the name celebrating the greatest defeat in the life of General Percival, when he surrendered Singapore to the Japanese in 1942.

Cheers man. I'll see you when I finish taking care of this littles spot of cybernuisance.

Andre Jute

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 11:48:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by
>Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the
>rec.bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).

What are you proposing? That he be tried, convicted, and executed in
absentia? The surest sign of success is pollution, and
rec.bicycles.tech is certainly successful[1]. How can you argue with
success?

>Perhaps I can use it as a case study in self-delusion and
>overweening, entirely unjustified ambition for my grad students,

Let he who is free of self-delusion, arrogance, self aggrandizement,
off topic postings, failure to follow the newsgroup charter, and is
further lacking in tact, humility, grace, tolerance, footnotes, and a
Latin spelling chequer, cast the first stone. (Note: I don't
qualify).

>as I did the earlier attempts of the Magnequest Scum to take
>over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).

Did it work?

>Andre Jute
>Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res

It's "Suavitor in modo, fortiter in res".
Gently in manner, resolutely in action. To do unhesitatingly
what must be done but accomplishing it as inoffensively as
possible.
Inoffensive? Surely you jest.


[1] At the bottom of every dumpster is a diamond. The problem is
that few want to wade through all the garbage in the dumpster to find
it.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[datakoll]

no problem

[gpsman]

On May 12, 2:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).

Only k00ks start threads about other posters...
-----

- gpsman

[Sir Ridesalot]

Or Trolls.

Cheers

[thirty-six]

On May 12, 11:53 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, May 12, 2013 10:57:37 PM UTC+1, davethedave wrote:
> > > PS By the way, what is a "half and half"? Is it something like my
>
> > > favourite aperitif of bitter'n'bitter, Campari and indian quinine tonic?
>
> > Based on that I would suggest you try a pink gin. Blackwood's is
>

> > fantastic if you can get it.http://blackwoodsgin.net/The Angostura

>
> > bitters sets it off beautifully.
>
> The little town I live in is so rich that, besides the extensive liquor sections in the supermarkets and all the quality grocers', we have two fantastic liquor shops. There is nothing, no matter how obscure, that I cannot ask them to find for me. Right now I'm drinking Maury (a grenache liquor, like having a chocolate vine under your window) in the rather limited Mas Amiel variety, of which the local bottle shop got me two vintages. I'll look out for Blackwood's.

London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same
stuff, at least as "small batch". A good buy if you can get
anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address). The name's
been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica
rum. It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought
up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me. Cost me £12ea
about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum. The old
Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality. Appleton
VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.
Certainly worth it for less than £20. There doesn't seem to be any
real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's
(or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for
reconsideration :-) )

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48:43 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:

> London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same
>
> stuff, at least as "small batch". A good buy if you can get
>
> anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address). The name's
>
> been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica
>
> rum. It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought
>
> up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me. Cost me £12ea
>
> about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum. The old
>
> Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality. Appleton
>
> VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.
>
> Certainly worth it for less than £20. There doesn't seem to be any
>
> real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's
>
> (or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for
>
> reconsideration :-) )

What's "dunker", Trevor?

I don't know anything about rum, except the rawish sort that's drunk with mixers by students, navvies and young women with their pinkies in the air, but £50 for a bottle of, presumably aged, rum strikes me as pricey; you can get really good single malt scotch for less than that, a 75 year old brandy, say Oude Meester from the KWV outside Paarl with maybe enough change for gift wrapping, or several bottles of superb port from Penfold's in Australia, or desert wines from sunny hillsides in Alsace, though maybe not in London, where everything is priced for Saudi tourists. That Maury I mentioned upthread is still only about thirty Euro a bottle, but that stuff carries a premium for extremely limited production; Marks'n'Sparks sell perfectly good Spanish desert wine for under a tenner. Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.

Bushmill's was mentioned upthread. A lady for whose book I found a publisher gave me bottle of the single, aged malt made by Bushmill, called Black Bush. I didn't drink Irish whisky and the bottle stood around for twenty years or more until a friend asked if he could taste it. After he exclaimed about the quality, I drank some, and it was like honey, Song of Solomon, stuff of legend. Similarly, I had a case of Jack Daniels that someone sent me as gift stand around around for a quarter-century, but after opening the first bottle it went pretty fast. I used to chill the bottle and drink it for an aperitif, and from an unchilled bottle as a liqueur after dinner.

You know, an innocent, wandering in here, will conclude we're all drunks rather than the truth, that most of us are athletes.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

I've never heard of you, Rob Lindaur, before you started whining that you want the victims of Gene Daniels' persecution to suffer in silence.

Since you're obviously no use to principled people in putting down the scumball Gene Daniels aka Datakoll, you are cordially invited not to get underfoot while I do what is necessary.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

Yo, Jeff:

If netbully Gene Daniels aka Datakoll threatened to steal your pay packet, as he openly does to me, I would stand up for you.

Equally, if the scumball Daniels aka Datakoll were to interfere in your freedom of speech by trying to run you out of RBT, I would kick him in the goolies until he ceases and desists or, if he is stubborn, until he perishes.

I would do these things on the principle that a) one man's freedom of speech is every man's freedom of speech, and b) if the scumball Daniels aka Datakoll is allowed to get away with doing it to you, tomorrow it might me. Or, since you appear not yet to have grasped the obvious, if redneck slime like Daniels is permitted to get away with what he is trying to do to me, tomorrow it could be you he's doing it to.

But your entire long post doesn't even mention these matters of principle. Instead you whine at length about my method of dealing with this slimy anti-semite Daniels aka Datakoll. You should read your letter in the light of what Daniels has already confessed to, in his own words above, and consider whether people who wonder at the insensitivity of engineers won't find another example in you.

Andre Jute

PS Your remarks about a slip of the finger in the family motto demonstrates only that you can teach an engineer a little rote-Latin but you can't teach him perspective. You should ask for your tuition back from whoever taught you Latin if he left you with the impression that the motto of any family which has survived as long as mine even remotely admits of the politically correct translation "inoffensively". Christ, what PC mush do they teach for history where you were educated? The Romans, whose language Latin was, had no intention of being "inoffensive", and any family with a Latin or old-French motto rose by profitable hooliganism, no mealymouthing about politically correct "inoffensiveness". Thanks for the giggle, man, but if your understanding of what stands behind the Latin is that badly flawed, don't flaunt your ignorance in public.

PPS. I'll get around to answering the other points in your post later, if I can make time.

From the center of his navel,

[John Henderson]

Andre Jute wrote:

> If netbully Gene Daniels aka Datakoll threatened to steal your pay packet, as he openly does to me, I would stand up for you.

Gene has a wicked sense of humour, and you're such an easy
target. I think that's the crux of this whole pointless thread.

John

[Andre Jute]

I'm not a kook, I'm just slightly eccentric in believing that liberty is indivisible, and worth standing up for.

You don't have to agree with me on the principle or the means. From my viewpoint it is enough if you don't get in my way. From your viewpoint though, if you view what happens to Daniels next, when I kick apart his already inadequate self-image, and dance on the quivering wreck underneath until it drowns in the sweat of its own fear, as an entertainment, you can't go wrong; it's a win-win for you.

Andre Jute
Down with Telemachus
(For those without the benefit of Jeff's Latin, Telemachus was the Christian preacher who closed the Colosseum, centre of the Roman gladiatorial spectacle -- he was later martyred and is now the patron saint of spoilsports)

[rove...@bigpond.net.au]

I gather that the silly little squirt Jute has a vendetta going against Gene Daniels. I don't follow Mr Daniels posts either because of his lack of spelling, syntax, grammar and content. Nonetheless, I remember a time in the past when Jute was sucking up to those who he imagined to be big wheels of long standing in RBT. Then it was always "Hi Gene" and " Good one Gene" and "Three bags full Gene". I suppose that Gene must have done something to offend La Jutissimo. Something like offering less than the boot licking reverence that the fragile Jutean ego demands. To mangle W. Churchill's words a little, " The Jute is always at your feet or at your throat."
PH

[Andre Jute]

Absolutely, John. It is an impertinence for scum like Daniels even to speak to me, never mind threaten me. I'm glad you take such a tolerant view of the matter, because you will find what happens to the netbully Daniels next highly amusing. Remember, it was you who said, on the record here, that a sense of humour excuses all excesses; I shall be reminding you of it.

Andre Jute
Ever reasonable, ever agreeable

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 10:11:53 PM UTC+1, rove...@bigpond.net.au wrote:
> I gather that the silly little squirt Jute has a vendetta going against Gene Daniels. I don't follow Mr Daniels posts either because of his lack of spelling, syntax, grammar and content. Nonetheless, I remember a time in the past when Jute was sucking up to those who he imagined to be big wheels of long standing in RBT. Then it was always "Hi Gene" and " Good one Gene" and "Three bags full Gene". I suppose that Gene must have done something to offend La Jutissimo. Something like offering less than the boot licking reverence that the fragile Jutean ego demands. To mangle W. Churchill's words a little, " The Jute is always at your feet or at your throat."
>
> PH

Here's Peter Howard, the thief (1), spewing lies...

Who, except this moronic thief, Peter Howard, will believe that I "suck up" to anyone?

Ugh.

Andre Jute

(1) For newbies, Peter Howard is a thief who repeatedly stole my copyright materials. I live by those. It is the same as Howard pickpocketing your wallet with your wages in it.

[Andre Jute]

Sounds to me like you have trolls on the brain, Ridealot. One doesn't expect you to grasp principles, of course, but trolls are such ugly things, you really want to get another obsession. Girls, boys, shaving your legs really smoothly, whatever your speed is.

[sms]

On 5/12/2013 11:48 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).

Does anyone _not_ have him filtered out. Tough to take over a group when
no one even sees your posts.

[thirty-six]

On May 13, 5:14 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48:43 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
> > London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same
>
> > stuff, at least as "small batch".    A good buy if you can get
>
> > anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address).   The name's
>
> > been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica
>
> > rum.   It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought
>
> > up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me.  Cost me £12ea
>
> > about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum.  The old
>
> > Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality.    Appleton
>
> > VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.
>
> > Certainly worth it for less than £20.  There doesn't seem to be any
>
> > real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's
>
> > (or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for
>
> > reconsideration :-) )
>
> What's "dunker", Trevor?

DUNDER is when the lees from the kettle are put into the wash for
fermentation. It gives a more intense molasses taste (without tang or
burn).

>
> I don't know anything about rum, except the rawish sort that's drunk with mixers by students, navvies and young women with their pinkies in the air,

I was thinking "pinkies" was a euphamistic term for lips (not of face)
then after rereading 3 times recognized the common parlance. You did
mean finger, or not?

> but £50 for a bottle of, presumably aged, rum strikes me as pricey; you can get really good single malt scotch for less than that,

From about £28 Been sipping malts (and some blends) for a few years
now, and have been on the lookout for a replacement for the old
(Jamaica) Lemon Heart. Getting bored with the whisky and really
desire that fuller flavour from the dunder rum.

> a 75 year old brandy, say Oude Meester from the KWV outside Paarl with maybe enough change for gift wrapping, or several bottles of superb port from Penfold's in Australia, or desert wines from sunny hillsides in Alsace, though maybe not in London, where everything is priced for Saudi tourists. That Maury I mentioned upthread is still only about thirty Euro a bottle, but that stuff carries a premium for extremely limited production; Marks'n'Sparks sell perfectly good Spanish desert wine for under a tenner.

Interesting, what's it named or known as?

> Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.
>
> Bushmill's was mentioned upthread. A lady for whose book I found a publisher gave me bottle of the single, aged malt made by Bushmill, called Black Bush. I didn't drink Irish whisky and the bottle stood around for twenty years or more until a friend asked if he could taste it. After he exclaimed about the quality, I drank some, and it was like honey, Song of Solomon, stuff of legend. Similarly, I had a case of Jack Daniels that someone sent me as gift stand around around for a quarter-century, but after opening the first bottle it went pretty fast. I used to chill the bottle and drink it for an aperitif, and from an unchilled bottle as a liqueur after dinner.

You should get a bottle of Clontarf. I've had their basic stuff and
it was well balanced and full of flavour. For drinking, it's
probably the best, Irish or otherwise, I've come across. That's
probably after 70 different whiskies.

>
> You know, an innocent, wandering in here, will conclude we're all drunks rather than the truth, that most of us are athletes.

What a peculiar definition of "athlete". Of course, out of mind ,body
and spirit it is the latter which genuinely defines us. No ice!

[thirty-six]

there's no point in me even answering

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:56:54 PM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
> On May 13, 5:14 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48:43 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
>
> > > London Hill is a good gin, Cromwell (from Aldi) is probably the same
>
> >
>
> > > stuff, at least as "small batch".    A good buy if you can get
>
> >
>
> > > anything is the old Jamaican Lemon Hart (London address).   The name's
>
> >
>
> > > been sold on and the new business is targeting US without the Jamaica
>
> >
>
> > > rum.   It's a few years now (maybe 6), the retailer I went to bought
>
> >
>
> > > up the last 5 bottles from the wholesaler for me.  Cost me £12ea
>
> >
>
> > > about the same as Cockspur, but at least twice the rum.  The old
>
> >
>
> > > Lamb's Jamaican is similar, but hasn't the same quality.    Appleton
>
> >
>
> > > VX also had some of the same in it's blend, but it went too light.
>
> >
>
> > > Certainly worth it for less than £20.  There doesn't seem to be any
>
> >
>
> > > real dunder styles on the mass market and £50 a bottle from Laing's
>
> >
>
> > > (or whoever) is generally over my budget (that is due for
>
> >
>
> > > reconsideration :-) )
>
> >
>
> > What's "dunker", Trevor?
>
>
>
> DUNDER is when the lees from the kettle are put into the wash for
>
> fermentation. It gives a more intense molasses taste (without tang or
>
> burn).
>
>
>
> >
>
> > I don't know anything about rum, except the rawish sort that's drunk with mixers by students, navvies and young women with their pinkies in the air,
>
>
>
> I was thinking "pinkies" was a euphamistic term for lips (not of face)
>
> then after rereading 3 times recognized the common parlance. You did
>
> mean finger, or not?

Little finger, next to ring finger.

> > but £50 for a bottle of, presumably aged, rum strikes me as pricey; you can get really good single malt scotch for less than that,
>
>
>
> From about £28 Been sipping malts (and some blends) for a few years
>
> now, and have been on the lookout for a replacement for the old
>
> (Jamaica) Lemon Heart. Getting bored with the whisky and really
>
> desire that fuller flavour from the dunder rum.
>
>
>
> > a 75 year old brandy, say Oude Meester from the KWV outside Paarl with maybe enough change for gift wrapping, or several bottles of superb port from Penfold's in Australia, or desert wines from sunny hillsides in Alsace, though maybe not in London, where everything is priced for Saudi tourists. That Maury I mentioned upthread is still only about thirty Euro a bottle, but that stuff carries a premium for extremely limited production; Marks'n'Sparks sell perfectly good Spanish desert wine for under a tenner.
>
> Interesting, what's it named or known as?
>

The one I remember best is also the cheapest, Moscato de Seville, but my wife says she hasn't seen it (in M&S in Cork) for a couple of years now.

> > Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.
>
> >
>
> > Bushmill's was mentioned upthread. A lady for whose book I found a publisher gave me bottle of the single, aged malt made by Bushmill, called Black Bush. I didn't drink Irish whisky and the bottle stood around for twenty years or more until a friend asked if he could taste it. After he exclaimed about the quality, I drank some, and it was like honey, Song of Solomon, stuff of legend. Similarly, I had a case of Jack Daniels that someone sent me as gift stand around around for a quarter-century, but after opening the first bottle it went pretty fast. I used to chill the bottle and drink it for an aperitif, and from an unchilled bottle as a liqueur after dinner.
>
>
>
> You should get a bottle of Clontarf. I've had their basic stuff and
>
> it was well balanced and full of flavour. For drinking, it's
>
> probably the best, Irish or otherwise, I've come across. That's
>
> probably after 70 different whiskies.

I'll take your words for it, Trevor. A glass or two of red wine is medicinal, but I don't want to get stuck into the hard stuff.

> > You know, an innocent, wandering in here, will conclude we're all drunks rather than the truth, that most of us are athletes.
>
> What a peculiar definition of "athlete".

LOL. I fit my definition of an athlete.

>>Of course, out of mind ,body
>
> and spirit it is the latter which genuinely defines us. No ice!

Slainte.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

Mmm, good question. Makes one wonder if the netbore Gene Daniels aka Datakoll then decided to try his luck on me because
a) he is stupid
b) he honestly doesn't know what I do to netscum who assault free speech
c) he is so desperate for attention that he's willing to run the risk
d) some combination of the above, most obviously stupid *and* desperate for attention

Maybe I shouldn't kick Daniels' slack, diseased ass (1) over the houses. Perhaps, having already exposed his intention and his methods, I should ignore him, as the greater punishment for his impertinence.

Andre Jute

(1) Ever met a gay basher, especially of the hysterical stripe of Gene Daniels aka Datakoll, who wasn't a prisoner in a closet of his own making? No, I thought not. Here's a sample of the wretched little man's homophobia:

On Friday, May 10, 2013 12:39:18 PM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
> I have longish hair for nonj sexual reasons. Local Nopise said THEY recruited n2 homosexuals from Homosexualville to spray me...

[Ralph Barone]

AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> On 5/12/2013 1:48 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka

>> Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT). Perhaps I

>> can use it as a case study in self-delusion and overweening, entirely

>> unjustified ambition for my grad students, as I did the earlier attempts

>> of the Magnequest Scum to take over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).
>>

>> Andre Jute
>> Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res
>>
>

> You're welcome to your opinion but Gene has given us much, including the
> timeless advice on wheelbuilding methods using a dead chicken (27 September, 2002)

So Jute wants to destroy r.b.t in the same way he destroyed r.a.t? What a
humanitarian. He should get his Nobel Peace Prize right after that nice
North Korean guy (Kim something or other...). I personally find Gene
infinitely more palatable than Andre. At least Gene sounds deep.

[sms]

On 5/13/2013 5:47 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:

> So Jute wants to destroy r.b.t in the same way he destroyed r.a.t? What a
> humanitarian. He should get his Nobel Peace Prize right after that nice
> North Korean guy (Kim something or other...). I personally find Gene
> infinitely more palatable than Andre. At least Gene sounds deep.

It's very difficult to destroy a group thanks to Usenet readers with
good filtering. One group I read, ba.broadcast, would be completely
useless without filtering because two people (and I use that wore
loosely) post almost non-stop off-topic, racist, homophobic, posts. But
no one sees them.

[Andre Jute]

The wannabe netbully Gene Daniels aka Datakoll sounds "deep" to you, Ralphi, because you too are fundamentally stupid and unprincipled. But he's illiterate as well, and you're semi-literate, so you have much to offer him. You two should take a room together. Before you explore how "palatable" Daniels is close up, better scrub him good.

[T0m $herman]

On 5/12/2013 1:48 PM, Andre Jute wrote:

> [...]

<In a Homer Simpson voice>

--
T0m $herm@n

[T0m $herman]

Scharf is either a delusional kook or a troll.

--
T0m $herm@n

[Andre Jute]

What? The scumbag Gene Daniels aka Datakoll picked on the wrong guy to victimize because he's boring? That doesn't scan, Liddell Tommi. I mean, I agree Daniels is a foul-mannered bore, and boringly predictable besides, and dull, but those aren't reasons, they're the results of poor breeding and other character flaws, and a lack of a decent education.

Andre Jute

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>If netbully Gene Daniels aka Datakoll threatened to
>steal your pay packet, as he openly does to me,

He can have my pay packet as there's nothing in it. I work for
myself, pay myself, and am losing money. Maybe if I didn't spend so
much time on Usenet...

>I would stand up for you.

It's easier to type sitting down.

>Equally, if the scumball Daniels aka Datakoll were to
>interfere in your freedom of speech by trying to run
>you out of RBT, I would kick him in the goolies until
>he ceases and desists or, if he is stubborn, until
>he perishes.

That's very generous of you. However, I was looking for a reason not
to spend so much time on Usenet. Running me out of RBT would be a
good start. As for freedom of speech, I'm fully capable of making a
fool of myself without anyone's interference or assistance.

>Or, since you appear not yet to have grasped the obvious,
>if redneck slime like Daniels is permitted to get away
>with what he is trying to do to me, tomorrow it could
>be you he's doing it to.

The slippery slope theory is nothing more than an expression of
paranoia. While it is possible for someone to systematically clean
out the entire Usenet, the probability of it happening, even on a
small scale, is rather small. Tomorrow will take care of itself.

>But your entire long post doesn't even mention these matters
>of principle.

I'm sorry, but I don't have any principles and did not have time to
make my post any shorter.

>Instead you whine at length about my method of dealing with
>this slimy anti-semite Daniels aka Datakoll.

Not exactly. I did not whine about your methods. I whined about the
perfection that you expect in others, while lacking the same in
yourself. It was my hope that you would see the futility of your
actions and switch to something more productive, or at least on topic.

>You should read your letter in the light of what Daniels has
>already confessed to, in his own words above, and consider
>whether people who wonder at the insensitivity of engineers
>won't find another example in you.

Online confessions are not admissible in a court of law.
Why should I care what other people think of me?

>PS Your remarks about a slip of the finger in the family
>motto demonstrates only that you can teach an engineer
>a little rote-Latin but you can't teach him perspective.
>You should ask for your tuition back from whoever taught
>you Latin

You give me more credit than I'm due. The only Latin I know was
excavated from an online dictionary and phrase list. Engineers have
no use for dead languages.

>if he left you with the impression that the motto of any
>family which has survived as long as mine even remotely
>admits of the politically correct translation "inoffensively".

Very well, what is the correct translation? I selected the most
common and most likely from the Google search hit list. If the phrase
is idiomatic, there was no indication in the results.

>Christ, what PC mush do they teach for history where you
>were educated?

I'm Jewish. Invoking the spirit of Christ for your benefit does not
work for me. For what it's worth, I constantly did battle with few
history teachers over incidents and actions that simply did not make
sense. I also tended to favor and formulate some rather
non-mainstream theories, some of which were later proven to be
correct. Political correctness was the last thing on my mind in
history. However, fortunately for the educational system, there were
no required history classes for engineers. That changed when the
skool became accredited, but I escaped just in time. Most of my
understanding of history is self taught, from extensive reading, and
from arm chair tourism. I'll leave the connection between my
understanding of history and the decoding of your Latin motto as an
unsolved mystery.

Incidentally, there is a similarity in your motto and the writings of
Datakoll. Both seem to be in a language that is not commonly
understood and apparently difficult to decode. Perhaps that's also
the common purpose, where the selection of your language, and his
grammar, are intended to obscure, rather than illuminate.

>The Romans, whose language Latin was, had no intention of being
>"inoffensive", and any family with a Latin or old-French motto
>rose by profitable hooliganism, no mealymouthing about politically
>correct "inoffensiveness". Thanks for the giggle, man, but if
>your understanding of what stands behind the Latin is that badly
>flawed, don't flaunt your ignorance in public.

My family has done well without a motto, which would probably have
been in Polish, not Latin. I also don't mind confessing my ignorance
of Latin, as it has little use in engineering and is unlikely to have
any effect on my net worth or well being. While I will confess to
having accumulated considerable useless knowledge, I can proudly
announce that Latin is not part of the accumulation.

>PPS. I'll get around to answering the other points in your
>post later, if I can make time.

No need. All my other points are presumed to be correct and
unassailable.

[James]

On 14/05/13 15:50, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 13 May 2013 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Instead you whine at length about my method of dealing with
>> this slimy anti-semite Daniels aka Datakoll.
>
> Not exactly. I did not whine about your methods. I whined about the
> perfection that you expect in others, while lacking the same in
> yourself. It was my hope that you would see the futility of your
> actions and switch to something more productive, or at least on topic.
>

My Mother always used to say, "Do as you would be done by."

--
JS

[T0m $herman]

On 5/14/2013 12:50 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> I'm Jewish. Invoking the spirit of Christ for your benefit does not
> work for me. For what it's worth, I constantly did battle with few
> history teachers over incidents and actions that simply did not make
> sense. I also tended to favor and formulate some rather
> non-mainstream theories, some of which were later proven to be
> correct. Political correctness was the last thing on my mind in

> history.[...]

But what tribe invented political correctness? And why does political
correctness contain double standards?

--
T0m $herm@n

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:11:04 AM UTC+1, James wrote:
>
> My Mother always used to say, "Do as you would be done by."

My mother used to say, "Do onto others as they do unto you." We understood the unspoken coda, "but do it first". That's why I'm so nice to people; I expect them to be nice to me.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:50:58 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I don't have any principles

We've noticed. We're deeply envious of someone so ruthlessly functional that he doesn't have time for principles.

>and did not have time to
> make my post any shorter.

You stole that line from, er, Coleridge, Keats or Byron, one of those.

> Not exactly. I did not whine about your methods. I whined about the
>
> perfection that you expect in others, while lacking the same in
>
> yourself.

I don't expect the scumball Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to be perfect, I just expect him to be invisible. If he doesn't put himself in my face, I won't know he's there, and I won't be tempted to crush his balls, metaphorically speaking of course.

> >if he left you with the impression that the motto of any
>
> >family which has survived as long as mine even remotely
>
> >admits of the politically correct translation "inoffensively".

> Very well, what is the correct translation?

I've already given it to you, "The iron hand in the velvet glove."

>I selected the most
>
> common and most likely from the Google search hit list. If the phrase
>
> is idiomatic, there was no indication in the results.

There wouldn't be in a source that is little more than low quality gossip.

I suppose a decent education in the humanities would tell you that "inoffensive" is a grossly contrary translation. I don't really know how I know, but everyone who went to school with me, or to most of my colleges (not the engineering schools), will certainly know.

> your motto ...in a language that is not commonly
>
> understood and apparently difficult to decode. ... intended to obscure, rather than illuminate.

Nah, you're seeing subtlety where there's nothing full frontal brutality. There's nothing obscure about the purpose of my family motto. It's a warning. I can walk up on the hill before my house and look down on an abbey my family sacked three times in the 9th, 10th and 11th centuries, starting with Red Erik (not a commie, his common name from his official name, Erik Bloodsword) who was brassed off at the impertinence of the abbott in not getting off the road quickly enough when Red Erik's dogs passed. (Red Erik himself wasn't there. He was in what used to be until recently Yugoslavia on business, done with the sharp end of his sword, for his brother the King of Kent.) When he returned, he fed the bolshie abbott to the dogs, and sacked the abbey, and his descendants, who were bred not to forgive or forget, sacked it every few generations after that as a reminder for the Church not to get uppity. Probably also a quicker way to raise revenue for a small war than tediously collecting taxes from the peasants.

> >PPS. I'll get around to answering the other points in your
>
> >post later, if I can make time.
>
> No need. All my other points are presumed to be correct and
>
> unassailable.

Thank you. That's a relief. The night is gone and my work is not finished. I shall take that too out on the wretched Daniels, the cause of so much wasted time.

Andre Jute

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 02:09:50 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>We've noticed. We're deeply envious of someone so ruthlessly
>functional that he doesn't have time for principles.

Thanks. When one is in business for themselves, the balance point
between principles, ethics, doing the "right thing", morality, and the
alternative of self enrichment, is all too common. Envy is a good
first step in the right direction as the remaining 6 deadly sins will
surely follow.

>>and did not have time to
>> make my post any shorter.
>
>You stole that line from, er, Coleridge, Keats or Byron, one of those.

True, but at least I rephrased it to match the occasion. Nothing I do
is ever original and is always based on the work of others. However,
with so common a phrase, that has been recycled in many forms over the
years, I saw no reason to cite my source as it would certainly have
inspired a long and tedious discussion on its origins.

>I don't expect the scumball Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to be perfect,
>I just expect him to be invisible.

Invisible people are perfect. Please consult literature about your
favorite deity for details.

>If he doesn't put himself in my face, I won't know he's there, and
>I won't be tempted to crush his balls, metaphorically speaking of course.

Not metaphorically but more likely virtually. I see it unlikely that
you would visit the US for the purpose.

Usenet readers have an invisibility feature that allows you to render
any undesirable as unworthy of reading by either marking his output as
already read, or deleting it automatically. I suggest you avail
yourself of the technology before resorting to the ways of your
ancestors.

>I've already given it to you, "The iron hand in the velvet glove."

As I suspected, that's highly idiomatic. I've never tried cycling
wearing velvet gloves, but I presume it would be possible if I could
ignore comments on my fashion choices from the other riders. However,
I do have somewhat of an iron grip, mostly from playing piano and
pounding on keyboards.

>I suppose a decent education in the humanities would tell you
>that "inoffensive" is a grossly contrary translation. I don't
>really know how I know, but everyone who went to school with me,
>or to most of my colleges (not the engineering schools), will
>certainly know.

I have little education in the humanities and am not a humanist. The
college I attended emphasized engineering and did its best to ignore
everything else. Humanities and producing "well rounded" graduates
arrived after the college was accredited, which was about 4 years
after I was graduated.

Like all literal translations, idiomatic phrases tend to be fail the
worst. "How do you do" means nothing in France, where the common
greeting translates literally to "How do you carry yourself". As a
card carrying member of the GUM (great unwashed masses), dark ages and
mediaeval idioms mean little to me. If you want to convey the
properly brutal motto, I suggest an accompanying translation into the
vulgar tongue.

>> your motto ...in a language that is not commonly
>> understood and apparently difficult to decode. ... intended to
>> obscure, rather than illuminate.
>
>Nah,

Yea. Of what use is a motto inscribed upon your escutcheon that only
you can understand? You would do better with hieroglyphic symbols.

>you're seeing subtlety where there's nothing full frontal brutality.

Nope. I favor conspiracy theories over Occam's Razor. Simple
explanations and translations are boring, while conspiracy theories
are valued mostly for their entertainment value. In order to produce
a suitable conspiracy theory, I first attempt to guess at the intent,
purpose, and motivations behind your statements, and then
intentionally misinterpret them. The conspiracy theory is then built
on top of the misinterpretation. Hopefully, this will provide you
with a suitable alternative to full frontal brutal writing.

>There's nothing obscure about the purpose of my family motto. It's

>a warning. (...). Probably also a quicker way to raise revenue for

>a small war than tediously collecting taxes from the peasants.

You have a colorful past, some of which seems to have floated to the
surface in your persecution of Mr Daniels. However, I see no
possibilities of generating revenue from said persecution, which would
be sufficient justification for immediate abandonment. I also
question the need for a family motto. My ancestors were a mixture of
Rabbis and livestock thieves, which did fairly well in Poland without
the benefit of a motto. Perhaps your acerbic disposition and ruthless
manner might improve if you abandoned your family motto or modernized
it with something more politically correct.

>> No need. All my other points are presumed to be correct and
>> unassailable.

>Thank you. That's a relief. The night is gone and my work is not
>finished. I shall take that too out on the wretched Daniels, the
>cause of so much wasted time.

Mr Daniels is not Jewish and therefore untrained and unqualified to be
a professional scapegoat. If you need to vent your frustrations or
practice your brutality, there are individuals available who will
provide a more suitable target, for a fee, of course.

[AMuzi]

OK, I give up. Which?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 01:36:23 -0500, "T0m $herman"
<twsherman@REMOVE_THISsouthslope.net> wrote:

>But what tribe invented political correctness?

The surviving tribe(s) invented political correctness. Anyone that
bucks the establishment is unlikely to survive for very long.

>And why does political correctness contain double standards?

For flexibility. That's why we've survived for so long. Go with the
flow. Don't make waves. Don't be a target. Never be number one.
Always have an exit strategy prepared. Don't ride against traffic.
Signal before turning the other cheek. Indecision is the key to
flexibility.

(Note the bicycle related content. It's the politically correct thing
to do in RBT).

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 16:11:04 +1000, James <james.e...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Very good. Some other options:

"Do unto others and then run like hell"
"Pay someone to do it unto others as you would have done thyself"
"Do something, even if it's wrong"
"If someone does unto thee, as you would have wanted to do unto them,
wait a while to cool off, and then do it back unto them"
"Ask not of others, that you would not do thyself"
"There are none so dumb as those who wait for others to do unto them"
"Do unto others, don't do unto others, or get out of the way"

Actually, my mothers most common phrase was:
"Who did this to you?"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule>

[davethedave]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:16:56 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

>> Scharf is either a delusional kook or a troll.

> OK, I give up. Which?

Well I used to be very indecisive about this but now I'm not so sure.
--
davethedave

[Andre Jute]

There's a third possibility, of course, but it would be irresponsible of me to fan the flames of the present paranoia on RBT, so I'm not telling you what it is.

Andre Jute
Responsible citizen

[davethedave]

On Tue, 14 May 2013 14:46:19 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

>> >> Scharf is either a delusional kook or a troll.

>> > OK, I give up. Which?

>> Well I used to be very indecisive about this but now I'm not so sure.

> There's a third possibility, of course, but it would be irresponsible of
> me to fan the flames of the present paranoia on RBT, so I'm not telling
> you what it is.

un-indecisive?

Is that even a word? (goes to bookcase. )
--
davethedave

[Radey Shouman]

Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Tuesday, May 14, 2013 6:50:58 AM UTC+1, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but I don't have any principles
>
> We've noticed. We're deeply envious of someone so ruthlessly functional that he doesn't have time for principles.
>
>>and did not have time to
>> make my post any shorter.
>
> You stole that line from, er, Coleridge, Keats or Byron, one of those.

Pascal. Don't feel bad, it's a sentiment plainly foreign to your nature.

[Andre Jute]

Miaow.

[Andre Jute]

Dithering is the functional expression of a truly subtle character. -- Andre Jute

[James McKinley]

On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:09:03 AM UTC-10, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, May 13, 2013 3:06:40 AM UTC+1, gpsman wrote:

>
> > On May 12, 2:48 pm, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT).
>
> >
>

> > Only k00ks start threads about other posters...
>
> >
>
> > -----
>
> > - gpsman
>
>
>
> I'm not a kook, I'm just slightly eccentric in believing that liberty is indivisible, and worth standing up for.
>
>
>
> You don't have to agree with me on the principle or the means. From my viewpoint it is enough if you don't get in my way. From your viewpoint though, if you view what happens to Daniels next, when I kick apart his already inadequate self-image, and dance on the quivering wreck underneath until it drowns in the sweat of its own fear, as an entertainment, you can't go wrong; it's a win-win for you.
>
>
>
> Andre Jute
>
> Down with Telemachus
>
> (For those without the benefit of Jeff's Latin, Telemachus was the Christian preacher who closed the Colosseum, centre of the Roman gladiatorial spectacle -- he was later martyred and is now the patron saint of spoilsports)

I've lost track of all of the subtleties here, but have often wondered what in the world those msp3ll3d stupid entries with the wacko links were: now I (pretty much) know. Thank you Andre, and I hope you've got it off your chest.

[Andre Jute]

Nothing but a pleasure, James. Not everyone even grasps that there are subtleties. But this turned out to be a damp squib. That silly little arsewipe Gene Daniels aka Datakoll ran as soon as I announced I would make an example of him; I presume someone told him who I am. Spoilsports everywhere. Perhaps I should go in person to express my disappointment face to face. I've always found that the personal touch makes the point so clear that I never have to repeat myself.

Andre Jute
Harmless little old bespectacled intellectual

[Ralph Barone]

Gee Andre. From here it looks like you're the one trying to take over
r.b.t. Maybe I need my eyes checked :-)

[thirty-six]

On May 16, 1:41 pm, Ralph Barone <address...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

don't upset yourself, it's simply his delusion.

[Andre Jute]

Ralphi's a beef patty and a bun short of a hamburger. Poor Ralphi. He used to be Ralph of "diane'n'ralph", as if he couldn't even write to the usenet without her permission. Ralphi was one of the more useless outriders of the Magnequest Scum, whose remnant now hides behind a firewall. I didn't crush his balls because they were already crushed.

Hey, Ralphi, why should I want RBT? To influence you? Who are you anyway? Why should anyone want you? Put your mind in gear, sonny, before "diane" has to come haul you squealing by your ear out of yet another pit of your own digging.

Andre Jute

[thirty-six]

On May 14, 12:08 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
; Marks'n'Sparks sell perfectly good Spanish desert wine for under a
tenner.
>
> > Interesting, what's it named or known as?
>
> The one I remember best is also the cheapest, Moscato de Seville, but my wife says she hasn't seen it (in M&S in Cork) for a couple of years now.

Not on website. Anyway I went today and bought (possibly £7, I
forget) a sweet white Spanish wine, Moscatel de Valencia at 10% vol.
All seems well, bar it barely being in the bottle long enough to get
the glass wet, just need to find a corkscrew. Stupid M&S, if it's
good, it will sell with a metal cap.

>
> > > Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.

M&S had a peculiar rum too, was nearly tempted, even if it was pale,
but got a bottle of Irish whiskey of Cooley distillery and I didn't
fancy dropping any so kept it to two bottles. Cassidy's is like
Clontarf but not so powerful in aroma or flavour from what I
remember. M&S Irish is good enough as an introduction when one
doesn't want to offend by being too weak (like Co-ops offering) or too
powerful, for which Clontarf may be to a lesser developed palate. It
blends well with cinnamon flavoured Ledaig (a poor grade scotch single
malt) , so well that I'll be making up another bottle.

>
> > > Bushmill's was mentioned upthread. A lady for whose book I found a publisher gave me bottle of the single, aged malt made by Bushmill, called Black Bush. I didn't drink Irish whisky and the bottle stood around for twenty years or more until a friend asked if he could taste it. After he exclaimed about the quality, I drank some, and it was like honey, Song of Solomon, stuff of legend. Similarly, I had a case of Jack Daniels that someone sent me as gift stand around around for a quarter-century, but after opening the first bottle it went pretty fast. I used to chill the bottle and drink it for an aperitif, and from an unchilled bottle as a liqueur after dinner.
>
> > You should get a bottle of Clontarf.   I've had their basic stuff and
>
> > it was well balanced and full of flavour.   For drinking, it's
>
> > probably the best, Irish or otherwise, I've come across.  That's
>
> > probably after 70 different whiskies.
>
> I'll take your words for it, Trevor.  A glass or two of red wine is medicinal, but I don't want to get stuck into the hard stuff.
>
> > > You know, an innocent, wandering in here, will conclude we're all drunks rather than the truth, that most of us are athletes.
>
> > What a peculiar definition of "athlete".
>
> LOL. I fit my definition of an athlete.
>
> >>Of course, out of mind ,body
>
> > and spirit it is the latter which genuinely defines us.  No ice!
>
> Slainte.
>
> Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

On Friday, May 17, 2013 1:27:30 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
> On May 14, 12:08 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > The one I remember best is also the cheapest, Moscato de Seville, but my wife says she hasn't seen it (in M&S in Cork) for a couple of years now.
>
> Not on website. Anyway I went today and bought (possibly £7, I
>
> forget) a sweet white Spanish wine, Moscatel de Valencia at 10% vol.
>
> All seems well, bar it barely being in the bottle long enough to get
>
> the glass wet, just need to find a corkscrew. Stupid M&S, if it's
>
> good, it will sell with a metal cap.

That's the one. We drank it chilled as an aperitif before dinner. Once I poured some of it over a fruit salad which went down well with the bishop.

> > > > Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.

> M&S had a peculiar rum too, was nearly tempted, even if it was pale,
>
> but got a bottle of Irish whiskey of Cooley distillery and I didn't
>
> fancy dropping any so kept it to two bottles. Cassidy's is like
>
> Clontarf but not so powerful in aroma or flavour from what I
>
> remember. M&S Irish is good enough as an introduction when one
>
> doesn't want to offend by being too weak (like Co-ops offering) or too
>
> powerful, for which Clontarf may be to a lesser developed palate. It
>
> blends well with cinnamon flavoured Ledaig (a poor grade scotch single
>
> malt) , so well that I'll be making up another bottle.

If you know enough about this stuff to blend your own, maybe I should suck up for an invitation and an education.

Andre Jute

[thirty-six]

On May 17, 2:38 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 17, 2013 1:27:30 AM UTC+1, thirty-six wrote:
> > On May 14, 12:08 am, Andre Jute <fiult...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The one I remember best is also the cheapest, Moscato de Seville, but my wife says she hasn't seen it (in M&S in Cork) for a couple of years now.
>
> > Not on website.  Anyway I went today and bought (possibly £7, I
>
> > forget) a sweet white Spanish wine, Moscatel de Valencia at 10% vol.
>
> > All seems well, bar it barely being in the bottle long enough to get
>
> > the glass wet,  just need to find a corkscrew.  Stupid M&S, if it's
>
> > good, it will sell with a metal cap.
>
> That's the one. We drank it chilled as an aperitif before dinner. Once I poured some of it over a fruit salad which went down well with the bishop.
>

Oh good. Of course I can't remember exactly where any one of,
possibly, seven corkscrews is hiding. Seems like the right time for a
tidy up.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > Of course, if you're a connoisseur of rum, then nothing but the best will do, and, as you say, you might have to adjust.
> > M&S had a peculiar rum too, was nearly tempted, even if it was pale,
>
> > but got a bottle of Irish whiskey of Cooley distillery and I didn't
>
> > fancy dropping any so kept it to two bottles.  Cassidy's is like
>
> > Clontarf but not so powerful in aroma or flavour from what I
>
> > remember.   M&S Irish is good enough as an introduction when one
>
> > doesn't want to offend by being too weak (like Co-ops offering) or too
>
> > powerful, for which Clontarf may be to a lesser developed palate.  It
>
> > blends well with cinnamon flavoured Ledaig (a poor grade scotch single
>
> > malt) , so well that I'll be making up another bottle.
>
> If you know enough about this stuff to blend your own, maybe I should suck up for an invitation and an education.
>

Stop poisoning yourself. I've a way to go yet myself but at least
I'm not taking anything that requires a limitation of dose so that I
don't croak. Biggest single benefit I I found in appreciation of
spirits is to get up my daily fat consumption so that my skin does not
dry at any time through the day. This also means I don't get "burnt"
by the vapours, either in nose or mouth. It means I can take any 40%
whisky comfortably as it is straight from the bottle and at least a
few at 46% So when my skin has dried, I reach for the butter and
cream and eat well. i commonly drink green tea and if I eat meat, it
is early in the day (for breakfast), I eat it to capacity and don't
touch it again for at least 24 hours. Consumption of fats is
essential to move around minerals via the lymphatic ducts and as such
allows them to be balanced and so not adversely affect taste. You
may never fully appreciate whisky while falsely understanding a
minimal fat diet and take hormone disrupters which artificially alter
mineral balance to effect changes in capillary flow.

KJV Gen 1:29

If you vary from the guidance of the manual of the creator for so
long, is it so surprising you are ill?

[Andre Jute]

Why, that's precisely what i was trying to persuade my cardiologist of. Without success so far.

[thirty-six]

The poisons I was prescribed did not stop me getting breathless or
reduce chest pain, did not improve heart function as observed on
echogram or electro-cardiogram and they did prompt severe headaches
and confusion. It wasn't a difficult decision for me to stop taking
them and the cardiologist would/could/did not suggest any alternative.
Dietary fat (in the absence of a plentiful supply of wholesome
seeds, fruits and herbs everyday) is essential to maintain protection
to ones blood vessels. Dietary fat is essential to maintain mineral
balance throughout the body. Dietary fat is essential to easy bowel
evacuation. Dietary fat is essential to maintain a positive outflow
through one's skin and remove the dust, excessive minerals and toxic
vapours one breathes in. Whether petrol fumes, brick dust or pollen,
dietary fat is essential to keep our tissues, lymph and blood vessels
clear of disabling constriction and pain. It's ESSENTIAL fat.
I may manage anything from 1oz to 4oz a day of butter, but when I
first realised the probable stupidity of restricting good fats, and I
was extremely poorly at the time, I was knocking back 3, 600ml tubs of
double cream. The alternative was to be lying on the floor for 3+
hours, getting colder with more pain and muscle tension (cardiac pain
usually the last), barely able to breathe. AIUI the lymphatic
system will eventually become so pressurized in the absence of good
fats that it will routinely dump into the blood when we become
physically stressed and the sheer volume of deleterious matter (which
would otherwise be eliminated through skin and bowels with the aid of
fats) causes heart and general muscle stress and disturbs cognition
and regular physical senses. Of course not only is this disturbing
physical senses, it is disturbing mental health, including the ability
to dream and create. Calorie restrictive eating is not only causing
physical disease, it stops creation. It is ungodly.
If you want to be well, you must allow your lymphatics to purge
correctly, using good fats and greens and resting well before rising
for the day. Your body will heal itself, given the opportunity.
Be aware that the fats I now eat are natural fats, not the rancid
oils of commerce. I feel no urge to see a show directed by a
cardiologist or be the principle subject in such a performance however
fancy his scenery, props or the costumes of the supporting cast.

[Andre Jute]

What do you call this diet, Trevor? How long have you been on it? -- Andre Jute

[thirty-six]

it's a diet of sanity. I've no need to call it. I've had dry skin
along with "heart failure", "angina", "lung fibrosis" and a heavy
collection of diagnosees, with no real help from doctors and their
prescribed poisonous substances of congestible ability over the
years. All that would occur is that i would keep getting exhausted
trying to follow their impossible direction. I'm still having
trouble, but that's because there is years of crap in my lymph system
which is now coming back to life.
I'm using my skin for feedback of adequate fat intake, mostly
avoiding congestible foods, and ensuring I get something green in my
belly, which may be green tea if I'm not hungry. Chick peas and
dill, with butter seems very good for me, when I've an appetite.
There is no regime, I'm just re-identifying the feedback systems, the
identification and use of which was learned out from me starting
around the age of 7. Some initial decongestion is required before one
can notice further effects of specific foods upon the body. I'm still
heavily congested, decision making becomes difficult at times so I
revert to the buttered porridge and green tea

[Andre Jute]

I'm not passing judgement either way here. I just observe that when dietitians presume to lecture me, I put them down right smartly by smiling pleasantly and enquiring into what they ate last night, and the night before, invariably they've eaten red meat with fat on it when I've eaten fish or fowl. I've eaten what is considered a healthy mediterranean diet all my life, except for loving shellfish, and I still have a dickie heart in what in my longlived family is just later middle-age.

But I observed when I was young that many of the longest-lived men in my family were farmers who thought nothing of eating a slab of speck (baked pork fat two inches thick) among several eggs, bacon, sausage, etc, for breakfast, and would send sausages or a chicken back to the kitchen unless it was absolutely dripping fat. At the time I ascribed it to an active live, but you're putting a different perspective on it.

***

Tonight I'm cooking hot dogs with either bratwurst, if the real thing is available, or Cumberland sausages made by a local butcher from named pigs, just enough fat to give it taste. My food pages are at http://coolmainpress.com/andrejutefoodindex.html

Andre Jute

[Rob Lindauer]

Andre Jute wrote:
> I've never heard of you, Rob Lindaur...

Nor have I. Or, if you meant "Rob Lindauer," then you're not alone.
But, so what?

> before you started whining that you want the victims of Gene Daniels'
persecution to suffer in silence.
>
> Since you're obviously no use to principled people in putting down the scumball Gene Daniels aka Datakoll, you are cordially invited not to get underfoot while I do what is necessary.
>

Not sure how you got that from what I actually posted. Here it is again
as a reminder...


>>
>> Sigh. With my kids, I could just say "take it outside, kids."
>>
>> Unfortunately that doesn't work with the childish spats here.
>>

Let me try it again: Take it outside, kids. No one care whether Ginny
shoved Annie first, or vice versa.

Cordially, RL

--
Rob Lindauer, rli...@attglobal.net (replace "att" with "sbc")

[Andre Jute]

What are you on about Lindaur? That scummy little man whatisface ran, and the rest of us moved on to cycling business. If you have something to contribute about cycling, let's hear it. If you're only here for the blood on the carpet, go catch your cheap thrills elsewhere.

Andre Jute

[Rob Lindauer]

Andre Jute wrote:
> What are you on about Lindaur?

And my best wishes to you too, Annie

[thirty-six]

It seems that it is the meat (and fish), milk and grain proteins which
overload our immune system when eaten without the lashings of fat for
which we should enjoy. Without the "essential fatty-acids" taken on
a daily basis there is little to soap up the damaging proteins and
one's immune system has to work with what little is released from body
fat. Trouble is, because of a low-fat, protein rich diet which has
been educated into us, that stored fat is already loaded with proteins
and metabolic waste along with dust from the air. It's the fats
which cleanse our body. if it wasn't for health-education and the
acceptance of such false direction, the common man would be strong and
not reliant on the whims of madical doctors. Is it any wonder that
doctors rarely comment on food, when the dieticians are making such a
good job on the other hand of the industry.
,

> ***
>
> Tonight I'm cooking hot dogs with either bratwurst, if the real thing is available, or Cumberland sausages made by a local butcher from named pigs, just enough fat to give it taste. My food pages are athttp://coolmainpress.com/andrejutefoodindex.html
>

Well you'll need to rest after all that protein (meat, rusk, bread)
while your lymph struggles to work without dietary fat. Try a dozen
green olives as they contain both the fat and the drive to assist your
lymphatics. Eat some buttered greens and then some raw sweet
fruit.

Doctors rarely mention lymph and immune when they can otherwise
control your life with bacterium and other "infection" nonsense. If
they can't get us to take their poisons (which will incapacitate in
themselves) they'll try suggesting hacking bits out. "You'll have to
see a specialist" (with all the props) occurs when a "Pleasant
gentleman" is accepting of the mesmerism and there is profit to be
made in such a referral of another director/clinic/theatre.


Of course if it was as simple as eating buttered greens, oranges,
pomegranates, avocado and drinking green tea and the common man took
on this knowledge, then the hospitals would be only for the rich and
the national harm service (UK specific nomenclature, will also apply
elsewhere) would have to restructure else the bonesetters would take
all their business. There may be a desire by the "physicians",
"hospitals" and supporting industries to deny this. They may wish to
encourage (although not directly, only under the cover of legislation)
the consunption of wheat, lean meat, milk, sugar, coffee and black
tea, and cooked food generally. Consider that even when those
inside the industry have the knowledge, they have invested a few years
in training and ir's such a cushy job that there's no personal reason
to deny the bull that will see them comfortably into old age.

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 7:48:35 PM UTC+1, Andre Jute wrote:
> I thought it might be amusing to chart the attempts by Gene Daniels aka Datakoll to take over the rec. bicycles.tech newsgroup (RBT). Perhaps I can use it as a case study in self-delusion and overweening, entirely unjustified ambition for my grad students, as I did the earlier attempts of the Magnequest Scum to take over rec. audio.tubes (RAT).
>
>
>
> Andre Jute
>
> Sauvitor in modo, fortiter in res

That exercise was over before it started. The impertinent redneck Daniels turned tail and ran. So much for his plot to take over RBT. It turned out to be not even enough exertion to put down his few remaining friends (Barone, Howard, Muzi -- what are you doing with the thief Howard and the worthless traducer Barone, Andrew?) for me to break sweat, and even the other resident fascist mentalities weren't dumb enough to stand up with Daniels. Not much standing at all to be seen at the contemptible end of RBT, and a lot of cowardly bellycrawling, including some limp attempts at anklebiting by the thief and coward Howard.

Andre Jute
Even the wannabe flame warriors are limp

[andre...@aol.com]

Holy guacamole! Hadn't been attending RBT meetings for a while and I've obviously been missing all the fun.

[AMuzi]

How's that flood going? Nothing like a deluge to take one's
mind off the drought. Geez, you all have had a rough coulpe
of years.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[datakoll]

gotta load the canoe and AK

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=maf

[Andre Jute]

That's the problem, Andres. You missed nothing. Just Krygowski the Mortician assuring us in his most morbid tones that unless we ride in the middle of the highway, we shall all become road kill statistics. RBT is duller the a meeting of Alcoholics Anonymous taking the pledge.

Andre Jute

[Dan O]

On May 25, 8:45 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> gotta load the canoe and AK
>
> http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/index.php?wfo=maf

My house a little over a year ago:

http://i41.tinypic.com/jr3arb.jpg

FEMA just tore down the house across the street about a week ago.

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, May 26, 2013 7:34:30 AM UTC+1, Dan O wrote:
>
> My house a little over a year ago:
>
> http://i41.tinypic.com/jr3arb.jpg
>
> FEMA just tore down the house across the street about a week ago.

That looks expensive. We live in a town with periodic flooding, including where we lived before, where the carpets on the ground floor would be ruined every few years by what seems in my memory water not quite as deep as your problem last year. The council has been building up the walls beside the river, and dredging it, but that doesn't stop the problem recurring. My barber has photographs on the wall of the floods over the decades, going back to her father's time. Everywhere you hear about intermittent floods, it seems an insoluble problem.

Andre Jute

[Dan O]

When we bought our house, the official hydrology maps showed it well
out of the flood plain (I met a group of various government, et al,
people - obviously out-of-towners - walking around the neighborhood
surveying after this last flood - the County guy carrying a bunch of
maps. I talked to him about how it had gone. I think he intends to
revise the maps.)

I understand now after-the-fact that our house flooded not-too-many
years before we bought it, but it has not been historically in the
flood plain. I think there have been "engineering" changes elsewhere
that have resulted in change.

The pic looks bad enough, but at that time the family was still
waiting it out inside the house and living essentially normally. The
main level got no water inside (damn near, though). Unfortunately,
the garage and two rooms are about a foot-and-a-half *below* that
level, another room about four inches below also stayed dry, and
another room about an inch below that wicked water into the carpet
from below.

The day before I noted high water coming up in the fields and onto the
roads. I was up early that day anticipating high water on the road
might keep me from getting to work in town (or at least be a palusible
excuse). I was the only one up, and had just come in from the garage
where there wasn't even so much as a puddle in the driveway, when the
fire deprtment pager went off. I checked it, and it said, "Public
Assistance" - not more than a mile from my house. Hmm.., Then it wen
toff again - more public assistance... then again: "Water Rescue".
What the... I headed back down to the garage to maybe get on my bike
and ride to the station, but there was water flowing into the hallway
leading to the garage.

I went back up and told my wife to wake up the kids and start getting
some stuff together ready to leave the house if necessary, then went
back downstairs. It was rising fast. I started trying to round up
the cats. One was on top of some stuff out in the garage, and I was
wading knee deep as I got him inside.

Still missing a cat or two, I heard loud, distressed yowling coming
from under the kitchen porch. I went around to the crawlspace access,
and the water was already above it. I got a claw hammer, ripped up
part of the porch floor, and retrieved (somebody else's) drenched cat
up to its neck. (Eventually all the cats came out from hiding safe
inside.)

It came up so fast, then slowly rising and ebbing throughout the day -
thankfully never breaching the main part of the house. Then late in
the day it receded almost as fast as it had come up. It wasn't like
slowly rising floodwater; it was like the flood water upstream had
needed someplace else to go, and spawned a new stream right through my
part of town - heading for the creek a few blocks downstream. There
was significant current and eddies all day flowing around the house.

[Dan O]

On May 26, 9:56 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip flood story>

(Must stop repeating the same stories over again - sure sign of
senility... or narcicism.)

[Joe Riel]

They won't get better without practice...

--
Joe Riel

[Andre Jute]

We had a supermarket complex built on a piece of swampland beside the river. That's essential spreading space for water gone, and the berm that protects the supermarket also adds pressure by narrowing the river.

Andre Jute

[Andre Jute]

In a new thread that he's started at https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.bicycles.tech/qjmQSw4tz-g Gene Daniels, aka datakoll, explains why he tried to drive me out of rec.audio.tubes. It was a straight case of jealousy and envy: he thought that, if I were gone, people would read the crap he sends! Read his confession. It is all his own words.

On Monday, May 27, 2013 12:22:18 AM UTC+1, datakoll wrote:
>> That RBT does respond and tolerate Jute defines the end of my support.
>
>> However, the Google Views Counter, if accurate, clearly displays posts by Jute are popular where my posts are clearly ignored.
>
>>Post made from here [by Gene Daniels aka datakoll] are a mix of original material and referenced hyperlinks derived from my daily news, online exploration material. Material not mine mostly professional cycle work/journalism less Zinn and Co.
>
>>None of it is read by RBT. RBT reads Jute.

There you have it. Daniels confesses his petty reasons for assaulting my freedom of speech. What a piece of sewerage he is. It appears, from the shameless way he puts his "reasons" into the public record, that he doesn't even grasp how despicable his reasons, and he, are.

Andre Jute
Standing tall for the truth

[Dan O]

http://www.google.com/search?q=knopfler+six+blade+knife