GD cable derailleurs!

[jbeattie]

A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11. Great. In the middle of a 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one. I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and started over. Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike. The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable Di2.

The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take out the door and grab the broken cable and end. No more fishing it out of the lever. This is the second time in 20 years on STI that I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in the middle of a tour. I had a spare.

-- Jay Beattie.

[James]

I guess when you've been riding the Di2 setup for the same time &
distance you'll be able to make a more reasonable comparison.

I'm still waiting to break a cable after more than 30 years of using
cable actuated gears and brakes.

--
JS

[sms]

On 4/6/2021 9:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11. Great. In the middle of a 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one. I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and started over. Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike. The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable Di2.
>
> The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take out the door and grab the broken cable and end. No more fishing it out of the lever. This is the second time in 20 years on STI that I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in the middle of a tour. I had a spare.

Usually when you have a spare of something you never break what it's the
spare for. On tours I'd have a fold-up spare tire, rim strips or tape,
shift cables, brake cables, spokes, and all the necessary tools. I used
them on other people's bikes most often. Back in the olden days even
small towns had a hardware store with some bike parts and you could fix
most anything good enough to keep going. I remember "Coast to Coast"
hardware stores along the Oregon coast. Perhaps because of the large
numbers of bike tourers they had a good selection of bike stuff.

Near my house, the old Long's drug store even sold Park Tools, along
with various bike parts including cables, chains, brake calipers, brake
pads, tires, tubes, and dynamo lights; when CVS took over that was the
end of that. Payless Drugs also had a lot of stuff until RiteAid bought
and wrecked them.

[Ted Heise]

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 23:44:20 -0700,
sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/6/2021 9:09 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> > A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda --
> > with my wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the
> > next hill and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11. Great.
> > In the middle of a 9% grade, that turned at the top to another
> > climb, but a short one. I tacked a bit, got home and then
> > jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and started over. Heavier with
> > fenders, etc., but still a nice bike. The discs, BTW, don't
> > drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable Di2.
> >
> > The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there
> > is a trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one
> > screw, take out the door and grab the broken cable and end.
> > No more fishing it out of the lever. This is the second time
> > in 20 years on STI that I've broken a cable. Before that I
> > broke a friction bar-end cable in the middle of a tour. I had
> > a spare.
>
> Usually when you have a spare of something you never break what
> it's the spare for.

That's certainly been my experience!

--
Ted Heise <the...@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

[Tom Kunich]

I have had the same experience as you. Plus with all of those damn gears you have to spend all of your time shifting and wearing every part out. I almost returned to my 9 speed Campy but couldn't find the shifters after all these years. I cabled my Eddy Merckx last night and installed the chain and respaced the front derailleur to fit the Compact crank. Got a date with the tax man at 9 and then will return and wrap the handlebar tape. I weighed it before the cables, pedals and chain and it was about 17.6 lbs. My Colnago is 19 lbs. so I shouldn't be overweight.

[sms]

On 4/6/2021 9:18 PM, James wrote:

<snip>

> I'm still waiting to break a cable after more than 30 years of using
> cable actuated gears and brakes.

In college I was riding down a hill in the winter and both of my brake
cables snapped. But that was more than 30 years ago.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 4/7/2021 12:18 AM, James wrote:
> On 7/4/21 2:09 pm, jbeattie wrote:
>> A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my
>> wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and
>> snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11.  Great.  In the middle of a
>> 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one.
>> I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and
>> started over.  Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike.
>> The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable
>> Di2.
>>
>> The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a
>> trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take
>> out the door and grab the broken cable and end.  No more fishing it
>> out of the lever.

I hadn't heard about that. It sounds like a nice improvement.

>> This is the second time in 20 years on STI that
>> I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in
>> the middle of a tour.  I had a spare.
>>
>

> I'm still waiting to break a cable after more than 30 years of using
> cable actuated gears and brakes.

Do you replace them regularly? Could that be why?

My maintenance regime tends toward "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
That's probably what's caused me to break shift cables. And my
Cannondale touring bike requires an unusually long cable because I run
the cable from the bar end control under the handlebar tape. I've
learned to carry a spare.

But I've also learned to notice the first strands of the shift cable
breaking at the bar end control. They stick out and poke my finger, a
nice early warning system.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

One can easily imagine what you were riding and it had nothing to do with stainless steel cables.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 1:44:24 AM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> I remember "Coast to Coast"
> hardware stores along the Oregon coast. Perhaps because of the large
> numbers of bike tourers they had a good selection of bike stuff.
>

I remember there was a Coast to Coast store in downtown Leavenworth, Kansas 40 years ago.

[Tom Kunich]

Most of these locations carried galvanized cables which were liable to rust and break. But I believe that Jay's problem was more common. He buys good stainless cables but overtightens them which breaks stainless which is a great deal less resistance to overtightening. There are a lot of advantages to electric shifting. but the major disadvantage is that you have do many gears you spend all of your time shifting and this wears everything out.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com>
wrote:

>A few miles into my evening ride on my
>cable-shift Emonda -- with my wife pushing me
>on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill
>and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11.

>(...)

There used to be a company selling carbon fiber brake cable kits
called Power Cordz:
<https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-gear/wrenched-and-ridden-power-cordz-brake-and-shifter-cables/>
Their web site at:
<http://www.powercordz.com>
is gone, so I assume that something went wrong with the company or
product. Seems to be a tolerable alternative.
<https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=254169>
<https://www.pinkbike.com/news/power-cordz-review-2010.html>
<https://www.roadbikerider.com/power-cordz-d1/>

If you don't mind risking your bicycle, life, and future, you can
possibly replace the steel brake wire with a different material, such
as carbon fiber or various Aramid fibers such as Kevlar, Dyneema,
Spectra Amsteel Blue, etc. However, if the risk is too much, use the
standard stainless steel cable in rear brake, and the CF or Aramid
fiber replacement in the front brake, until you have some confidence
in the idea.

Remember, you have but one life to give for advancing bicycle tech.

"Understanding The Subtle Differences Between Carbon Fiber And Aramid
Fiber"
<https://pur-carbon.com/blogs/news/understanding-the-subtle-differences-between-carbon-fiber-and-aramid-fiber>

Kevlar Ropes, Cables, and Fibers"
<https://www.dupont.com/fabrics-fibers-and-nonwovens/ropes-cables.html>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[James]

On 8/4/21 1:19 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/7/2021 12:18 AM, James wrote:
>> On 7/4/21 2:09 pm, jbeattie wrote:
>>> A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my
>>> wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and
>>> snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11.  Great.  In the middle of a
>>> 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one.
>>> I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and
>>> started over.  Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike.
>>> The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable
>>> Di2.
>>>
>>> The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a
>>> trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take
>>> out the door and grab the broken cable and end.  No more fishing it
>>> out of the lever.
>
> I hadn't heard about that. It sounds like a nice improvement.
>
>
>>> This is the second time in 20 years on STI that
>>> I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in
>>> the middle of a tour.  I had a spare.
>>>
>>
>> I'm still waiting to break a cable after more than 30 years of using
>> cable actuated gears and brakes.
>
> Do you replace them regularly? Could that be why?
>

What is regularly? I usually wait until the outer plastic is cracked
and rust is showing, then wait until the next time I replace handlebar
tape and replace cables and tape at the same time. Probably every 2-3
years or more? The tape gets replaced more often because I usually end
up wearing a hole in it somewhere.

> But I've also learned to notice the first strands of the shift cable
> breaking at the bar end control. They stick out and poke my finger, a
> nice early warning system.

Once I had gear change problems and it turned out to be a couple of
broken strands in the Campagnolo Ergo lever body. I didn't need to
unscrew a secret trapdoor to extract the cable. I think Campagnolo
levers are much easier to work on. You can disassemble, clean and
reassemble them fairly easily.

--
JS

[jbeattie]

I'm told the most recent Campy levers are not rebuildable -- or they are rebuildable, but the parts are not available. One or the other. My son had a left STI lever go dead on a ride, and it was not fixable -- or I couldn't fix it. That's the only STI lever I've had go belly up in almost 30 years. Every other issue I've resolved with a WD40 flush and lubrication. The new trap door feature gives you good access to the innards for cleaning and lubricating. It's not the same as being rebuildable, but it is an improvement.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Roger Merriman]

I tend to have to replace as the cable gets sticky, and after a while can’t
be cleaned/lubed into life.

Don’t think I’ve ever snapped a cable. Mind you until this year had never
snapped a hanger...

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Jeff, try picturing threading a Kevlar inner cable through the outer. Now how would you expect to do that? As a real engineer I have some ideas that could work but why when stainless steel is more than sufficient. Jay is a lawyer and not a mechanic. We all know that he broke a cable probably because he overtightened it at the derailleur and broke the strands. Stainless is extremely good at weather resistance but very bad at pressures that overload the molecular bond of the material.

[Tom Kunich]

Now that they are making replaceable hangers the aluminum material is of the wrong alloy and is very brittle. I don't think that this is to allow break away in case of a crash or to make people buy more of them but simply that alloy is just cheaper than hell. It appears to be almost pure aluminum.

[AMuzi]

We use a coated Kevlar cord with ceramic magnet set to
thread wires through modern internal route frames. Passing
that through casing would not seem a barrier.

The failure mode of a steel or stainless steel gear wire is
fraying at the capstan and I doubt Kevlar/Aramid would give
any better life, likely worse.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jbeattie]

The Trek uses a cable stop/port with entry holes the diameter of inner-wire liner, and in fact a liner with a flared end is placed in the hole. https://tinyurl.com/ecv585cj What this means is that you can't put the old and new cable ends together with a crimp-cable end and then pull the new cable through -- unless you remove the port and put the new cable through and crimp it to the old cable after the port. The good news is that its not hard to locate the cable if you just feed it into the frame through the port. There is a window at the bottom of the DT, and you just grab the cable with a hook. I'm re-doing both shift and a brake cable just because. And some new brake pads.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 05:43:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jeff, try picturing threading a Kevlar inner cable through the outer. Now how
>would you expect to do that?

Two ways. Pull or push. For pull, I would run a metal wire through
the cable housing, attach to Kevlar fiber with glue, and pull on the
metal wire. For push, I would glue a wad of cotton to form a shuttle
on the end of the Kevlar fiber. A conical dart shape should work.
Insert the shuttle into the cable housing and blow it through housing
using compressed air.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_jetting>

>As a real engineer I have some ideas that could work but why when
>stainless steel is more than sufficient. Jay is a lawyer and not a
>mechanic. We all know that he broke a cable probably because he
>overtightened it at the derailleur and broke the strands.

We all don't know that. You might, but we don't.

>Stainless is extremely good at weather resistance but very bad at
>pressures that overload the molecular bond of the material.

Pressure? Stainless is excellent in compression (also known as
pressure) but might have problems in tension or torsion.

Broken molecular bonds? Lots of ways to do that but none seem to be
found in a brake cable:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=break+molecular+bonds>
In general, one needs to input sufficient energy to beak the molecular
bond, usually forming ions or different molecules. Maybe Jay exposes
his brake cables to ionizing radiation, which is known to break
molecular bonds. Perhaps you could re-write your description of metal
fatigue failure in a manner expected from a "real engineer"?

[Tom Kunich]

People who pretend to be engineers are tiring. You have already told us that you only rarely ride a bicycle anymore so perhaps you might want to explain what you're even doing on this group?

[Frank Krygowski]

On 4/8/2021 2:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.

You're telling us?? ;-)

--
- Frank Krygowski, Licensed Professional Engineer (retired)

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:53:57 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/8/2021 2:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> >
> > People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.
> You're telling us?? ;-)

I have 50 years of accomplishments at the highest levels. Tell us what you have added to the modern technology.

[jbeattie]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 10:49:48 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 05:43:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Jeff, try picturing threading a Kevlar inner cable through the outer. Now how
> >would you expect to do that?
> Two ways. Pull or push. For pull, I would run a metal wire through
> the cable housing, attach to Kevlar fiber with glue, and pull on the
> metal wire. For push, I would glue a wad of cotton to form a shuttle
> on the end of the Kevlar fiber. A conical dart shape should work.
> Insert the shuttle into the cable housing and blow it through housing
> using compressed air.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_jetting>
> >As a real engineer I have some ideas that could work but why when
> >stainless steel is more than sufficient. Jay is a lawyer and not a
> >mechanic. We all know that he broke a cable probably because he
> >overtightened it at the derailleur and broke the strands.
> We all don't know that. You might, but we don't.
> >Stainless is extremely good at weather resistance but very bad at
> >pressures that overload the molecular bond of the material.
> Pressure? Stainless is excellent in compression (also known as
> pressure) but might have problems in tension or torsion.

Pfff. I've been a bike mechanic since I had bikes, and I worked in a shop . . . and I had my own wheel building business in college . . . and Trek installed the cable. It was OE on my Emonda. And how do you over tighten an STI cable? It has to be adequately tensioned for index shifting. That makes no sense at all. The cable broke in the lever at the usual place -- about an inch behind the head, inside the lever. https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hoi29kauY5SW767m9 This should be where Tom criticizes the Japanese engineers who designed the 8000 series for not coming up with something that didn't involve winding-up a cable. There should be some hydraulic, linear-pull mechanism with digital controls and a fray-o-meter indicating when failure is imminent. Safety inflation!

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 9:09:14 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11. Great. In the middle of a 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one. I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and started over. Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike. The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable Di2.
>
> The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take out the door and grab the broken cable and end. No more fishing it out of the lever. This is the second time in 20 years on STI that I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in the middle of a tour. I had a spare.

Jay, I wasn't taking a pot shot at you for overtightening a cable. Most people that do not work on bicycle stuff a whole lot do the same thing. When I'm building bikes up I usually do not tighten things up as much as I might because of this danger. I just finished the Eddy Merckx yesterday and took it out on a ride today. I did a flat 30 miles to see if everything worked well. First problem was the I hadn't set the stem dead center forwards. Second was that rather than Look Keo's I have bought a set of Rock Bros's copies. These actually work pretty well but the seals and bearing grease have to be "broken in" for the pedal to rotate to BDC so that you can kick into the pedal without looking. The rear derailleur wasn't perfectly aligned and so the gears were jumping in about half the ratios. This will be the hardest to resolve since I have a Chinese Campy-type cassette and I suspect they have Shimano spacing so I'll have to put a Campy 10 speed on it. I have plenty of 12-28's but aside from this one being very light, it is an 11-28. No big deal but it makes a difference on fast downhill descents. The front derailleur threw the chain for no reason I could see, though I suspect that I might have leaned on the lever going over some bumps. I had also inflated the tires to the 25 mm level instead of the 28 which is 10 psi less. So I was rather rough over the bumps. It was even making my sunglasses mounted rear view mirror move around.

The point of this is that your kind of problem is common. Everyone makes mistakes and it wasn't the cable that was at fault so don't glamorize the Di2 because it doesn't have that particular problem. The Di2 routing on my Colnago should have been the left lever along the top tube to the seat tube and from there down the to the four way connector block. However, there is NO hole between the top tube and the seat tube on that bike. So the wire runs in at an angle facing rearwards but then has to reverse course and go down the head tube and down tube to achieve the same thing that takes up a longer wire than necessary. So there are problems with Di2 and you can expect a LOT more problems with the new "wireless" 12 speed stuff since you have to shift through so many gears to get anywhere.

I have to admit, it was a real pleasure to ride a 10 speed again and I'm sure that a 9 speed would be better. You and I are not racers anymore and it grows tiresome shifting though gears that are only necessary to a 450 watt rider going for a TT record.

[Tom Kunich]

You overtighten it by turning the locking screw too tightly or perhaps having a washer with a sharp edge on it. If it was OEM that means that it was probably improperly threaded through the locking mechanism down on the rear derailleur and simply took this long to break. None of those washers and stops is very intuitive and it is quite easy to run the cables through there incorrectly and put an un-designed for load on the cable. Perhaps they used 105 inner and outers which is 20% the quality of the Dura Ace cable set.

Like I say, I'm not knocking you because these things are easy to do if you aren't really careful. I only use Record cable sets and cut them ONLY with a Park cable clipper. I have used several other cable cutters and they ALL cut crooked. Especially on the Brake Outer Cables.

[jbeattie]

Did you look at the picture? The cable didn't break at the cable anchor (if that's what you mean by "locking screw"). There is no way that an installation error would cause a cable failure in the lever, except possibly lack of lubrication or maybe a bad cable guide in the lever, which I did not see. Who knows if the cable was sub-par, and there is no such thing as Shimano 105 inner cable -- although they have marketed some inner cable as Dura Ace. AFAIK, all the SS cables are the same but with different coatings, many of which become fuzzy with use. I stick with uncoated SS.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Ralph Barone]

Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/8/2021 2:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>
>> People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.
>
> You're telling us?? ;-)
>

Agreed.

Ralph Barone, BASc, PEng

[Roger Merriman]

These where both OEM parts, ie two separate bikes, one is fairly new, other
is 6 or 7 years old now. In both cases due to COVID19 restrictions I was
riding in well bog.

Ie have no reason to believe was any design fault.

Roger Merriman.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.

Hmmm... I'm not tired. Therefore, I must be an engineer.

>You have already told us that you only rarely ride a bicycle anymore

That's mostly correct. What I actually said before you twisted the
meaning is that I am no longer able to properly ride a bicycle. If
you want, I can explain the medical problem that created this
situation. I still have two bicycles, which I occasionally ride short
distances.

>so perhaps you might want to explain what you're even doing on this group?

Perhaps? That suggests that I can perhaps choose not to explain. So,
I won't explain because you don't need to know and I don't feel like
justifying my presence.

However, I can offer you a fair trade. I'll answer your question if
you explain why you reply to every single thread, statement, question,
and comment in R.B.T. I believe that I understand the motivations for
your other odd habits, but the need to add your uninformed and
unsubstantiated opinion to every discussion has me mystified. Why?

You probably don't trust me to provide a genuine answer to your
question, so I'll go first if you agree to answer my question in a
similar manner. Deal?

[Tom Kunich]

Jay, I didn't see any picture showing the broken cable and must have missed that the cable broke at that damned sharp turn that they have on the latest Shimano levers. I wondered about that turn the first time I set a Shimano 105 up. There a much better designs that would completely avoid that turn altogether and have the shift cable go through the front of the lever similar to the brake cable. They even have everything in the assembly to use to do it.

[Tom Kunich]

Ralph, if your PE is so good, how many components do you have on the International Space Station? How many poison gas detectors did you design for the Army? Did you design the mechanical components of my microtitration device so that YOU could brag that you helped to stop the HIV plague? Exactly what have you done with your PE?

[Tom Kunich]

Campy record or Chorus cables are lined with nylon I believe and with stainless cables. Using these I don't expect any stickiness or grabbling of any sort. I can't say that I was particularly impressed with Shimano small parts like their cables and replacement parts. Of course, perhaps your weather conditions are sufficiently glum that you have to watch out for that sort of thing.

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 2:49:56 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.
> Hmmm... I'm not tired. Therefore, I must be an engineer.
> >You have already told us that you only rarely ride a bicycle anymore
> That's mostly correct. What I actually said before you twisted the
> meaning is that I am no longer able to properly ride a bicycle. If
> you want, I can explain the medical problem that created this
> situation. I still have two bicycles, which I occasionally ride short
> distances.
> >so perhaps you might want to explain what you're even doing on this group?
> Perhaps? That suggests that I can perhaps choose not to explain. So,
> I won't explain because you don't need to know and I don't feel like
> justifying my presence.
>
> However, I can offer you a fair trade. I'll answer your question if
> you explain why you reply to every single thread, statement, question,
> and comment in R.B.T. I believe that I understand the motivations for
> your other odd habits, but the need to add your uninformed and
> unsubstantiated opinion to every discussion has me mystified. Why?
>
> You probably don't trust me to provide a genuine answer to your
> question, so I'll go first if you agree to answer my question in a
> similar manner. Deal?

You have also chosen not to explain what in the hell you know about digital engineering, embedded systems and programming so that you could explain what I didn't know. Instead like an English teacher you've chosen to pick my resume apart for its spelling errors and not the thousands of human lives I've saved.

You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5 years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it was volunteering for the Air Force or being part of the construction of the world's largest time sharing computer of the time. The job I had before the concussion was designing and programming devices for the detection and treatment of Cancer. Did your radios help that? Half of this scientific world has been changed by the things I have done. And I have a right to be proud of that.

Of course we could always go with Jay's idea that if I designed anything of value I would have a patent on it. Elon Musk doesn't have any patents but I should. Charley Button owns no patents of his intercoms and radios but I should. I have never even heard of a development engineer owning a patent but dollars to dimes Jay could find one.

If you want to be a part of a discussion talk about things you know and not for the reason that you want to complain about how badly I treat you after you started it.

[News 2021]

On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 15:22:37 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

Lots.

>so that you could
> explain what I didn't know. Instead like an English teacher you've
> chosen to pick my resume apart for its spelling errors and not the
> thousands of human lives I've saved.
>
> You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
> after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
> a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
> years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
> world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
> was volunteering for the Air Force

volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

> or being part of the construction of
> the world's largest time sharing computer of the time.

Details please.
Exactly what did you "construct".

[Frank Krygowski]

On 4/8/2021 6:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Half of this scientific world has been changed by the things I have done. And I have a right to be proud of that.

Wow. I can't imagine why the Nobel Prize committee has overlooked you!

Is it because they, like we, would like to see actual evidence and
documentation instead of absurd claims?

Oh... I bet they've read this article:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

You're almost as intelligent as Mussolini was. Tell me. How many people do you think there are in this world that have done amazing things and tell us how many Nobel prizes have been given out since the START of that committee? Come on, you can do it. Tell us how Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and went on to wage wars all over the middle east? Come on you tiny little mind of mental illness?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:59:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 3:54:11 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/8/2021 6:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > Half of this scientific world has been changed by the things I have done. And I have a right to be proud of that.
>> Wow. I can't imagine why the Nobel Prize committee has overlooked you!
>>
>> Is it because they, like we, would like to see actual evidence and
>> documentation instead of absurd claims?
>>
>> Oh... I bet they've read this article:
>> https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321649

>You're almost as intelligent as Mussolini was.

Mussolini made the trains run on time. What have you done?

>Tell me. How many
>people do you think there are in this world that have done amazing
>things

Only one person. I presume you're referring to yourself.

>and tell us how many Nobel prizes have been given out since
>the START of that committee?

Who is this "us"? Are there more than one of you?

>Come on, you can do it.

Why? Are you telling use that the only intelligent people are Nobel
Prize winners?

>Tell us

Who is this "us"? Are you bringing in reinforcements?

>how Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and went on to wage wars
>all over the middle east?

Obama won a Nobel Prize. By your rules, he is deemed to be
intelligent. Do you have a problem with intelligent people?

>Come on you tiny little mind of mental illness?

The appropriate term is called "projection".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection>
You're doing a splendid job of projecting your perceived inadequacies
onto everyone you find disagreeable.

What I find amusing is that you frequently refer to someone you don't
like as "short", "little", or some other diminutive term. Aren't you
tall enough (judging by your bicycle frame size)? Apparently not if
you feel compelled to project your inadequate height and mental
illness problem onto someone else.

In my case, you mentioned "People who pretend to be engineers are
tiring." I don't pretend to be an engineer and have the wallpaper
(signed by then governor Ronald Reagan) to prove it. However, the use
of "pretend" seems more appropriate to describing your engineering
abilities. I pointed this out when you mangled the engineering terms
in describing a cable failure. I have plenty of other examples
available.

You seem to be on the defensive. You mention that you recently posted
a bicycle for sale on eBay, but offered no way to others to see your
handiwork. It seems that you want to be proud of your work, but are
so afraid of someone finding a problem that you hide it from view. Do
you fear constructive criticism that much? That's what happened when
I offered corrections to your resume. All of my suggestions were
intended to improve you resume. Yet, the only item that could be
considered a mistake (XP vs XT), you ignored even though I mentioned
it many times. Are you that afraid of admitting that you might have
made a mistake? Do you really care more about being caught making a
trivial error than to produce an error free resume?

You also seem to have an attribution problem. You explain things in
the form of an opinion and offer no sources, references, or backing.
I'm not sure why you do this, but my guess is that you believe that
attributions, quotes, citations, links, and Wikipedia references
somehow detracts from your opinion. If it's no 100% yours, you want
nobody else to have even a tiny fraction of the credit. That even
applies to where you are guessing, trying to recall, or just plain
wrong. With only your opinion available, all credit and all blame
goes you.

I can go on like this forever. However, like all pretend engineers, I
do get tired and tiresome. You're probably wondering why I'm writing
all this. In the past, you wrote "thanking" me for editing your
resume:
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_Y1MbXuzvNo/m/yzMUyoSvAgAJ>
"YOU don't like my writing? Fuck you. And if I have
the bad enough luck to meet you I will emphasis that
directly in your face."
I'm returning the favor, in your (virtual) face.

[jbeattie]

An accurate quote would be appreciated. What I said is that IF you had any significant inventions, your name would be in the USPTO as a an inventor if not as a patent assignee/owner. Elon Musk at the USPTO: https://tinyurl.com/ze3jzzcw At least he is mentioned -- and his company owns many patents: https://tinyurl.com/5fjj8kh5

Elon is mentioned in this patent which we should apply to you: 10,963,467 "Determining whether a user in a social network is an authority on a topic." You should go read that. Here is the abstract:

"A method involving obtaining a first plurality of topic groups (TGs), each having a membership of accounts, identifying a first plurality of accounts as authorities for an expertise topic, obtaining a second plurality of TGs with a number of accounts as members, wherein the first plurality of TGs comprises the second plurality of TGs, identifying a first frequent account which is a member in at least one of the second plurality of TGs, adding the first frequent account to the authorities of the expertise topic to obtain a second plurality of accounts as the authorities of the expertise topic, determining a third plurality of TGs in which a second number of accounts from the second plurality of accounts are members, determining that another frequent account is a member in one of the third plurality of TGs, and obtaining a ranking of accounts that are an authority on the expertise topic."

Got it?

By the way, there is nothing about your accomplishments anywhere except in your LinkedIn page. If you invented half of the scientific world, one would expect to see you mentioned somewhere, if not the USPTO. Maybe a professional journal, association news letter, company press release, police blotter -- well, you did make the police blotter.

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

'Experts', is it?

Well then. That explanation surely clears up any doubt as to
Wikipedia's wisdom in banning Philip Roth from editing the
article on Philip Roth's works. What would he know?

I note also that Jobst Brandt, who pithily critiqued the
Ducati desdromonic valve article, was similarly banned
despite his corrections being exactly correct.

It's always important to find experts who can parrot a
party line. Everything else is heresy.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:43:53 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com>
wrote:

>Elon is mentioned in this patent which we should apply to you: 10,963,467
>"Determining whether a user in a social network is an authority on a topic."

The patent was issued last week and has not appeared in Google Patents
yet. See:
<https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=10963467&IDKey=7D53F834F7F2>
The patent is owned by Twitter, which apparently is incapable of
distinguishing genuine intelligence from their usual banter and
requires the assistance of a computer algorithm. The assumption is
that the unintelligent can intelligently recognize intelligence. My
guess(tm) is that Twitter might be deploying a rating system which
quantifies how authoritative various Twitter users might be.

One problem is that the Twitter method only goes from zero to some
positive number. It should also go negative, as in how damaging an
authoritative user might be. For example, a fake news disseminator
should produce a negative score.

I invented something like this in college, but with a different
purpose. I had some difficulty evaluating the various women on campus
for which I invented the "Helen of Troy" rating system. Helen of Troy
was sufficiently beautiful to launch 1000 ships. Therefore, any women
able to inspire the launching of 1000 ships gets the top 1 Helen
rating. Launching only 1 ship is rated at 1 milli-Helen. Similarly,
sinking 1 ship is a negative 1 milli-Helen. Methods patent pending.

[News 2021]

On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 17:18:56 -0700, Jeff Liebermann scribed:

> On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:59:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>>and tell us how many Nobel prizes have been given out since the START of
>>that committee?
>
> Who is this "us"? Are there more than one of you?
>
>>Come on, you can do it.
>
> Why? Are you telling use that the only intelligent people are Nobel
> Prize winners?

I think silly lttle tommy is trying to emulate Linus Pauling who won a
Nobel for his work in physics, but is now remembered solely for his
vitamin C scam. silly little tommy has the second bit, but not a hoe inthe
first.

[John B.]

On Thu, 08 Apr 2021 18:18:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

But did you have a "Stud rating" measuring how likely is it that Miss
Wonderful with the #1 Helen rating will deign to notice you ;-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

What I got that if you can get a group large enough you can claim that anyone else is not part of the group. Have you got a patent on that?

[Tom Kunich]

Your world must certainly be small if what I did seems to you to be the half of the scientific world. Tell us, what is it like to live on a small planet? Do they have mostly peaceful protests that burn a town down?

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:57:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>
> 'Experts', is it?
>
> Well then. That explanation surely clears up any doubt as to
> Wikipedia's wisdom in banning Philip Roth from editing the
> article on Philip Roth's works. What would he know?
>
> I note also that Jobst Brandt, who pithily critiqued the
> Ducati desdromonic valve article, was similarly banned
> despite his corrections being exactly correct.
>
> It's always important to find experts who can parrot a
> party line. Everything else is heresy.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org

To tell you the truth I have never recovered from the temerity of Frank saying that I didn't hit my head on a tree branch because he could find a Google Earth photo that showed trees only shortly after they had been planted. If we could post pictures here, he would be proven for what he is. I have tried to turn the conversations many times but several people here continue. Who the hell is this Australian idiot that is a sock puppet of Frank?

[Frank Krygowski]

Folks, I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that Tom is
well into dementia. It's sad, and I'm not joking.

In his post about 33 lines above he said "Half of this scientific world
has been changed by the things I have done." But at the end of the
quoted material just above he said "Your world must certainly be small

if what I did seems to you to be the half of the scientific world."

So he can't remember what he very recently said. This example is far
from unique.

I don't know how to deal with someone whose mind is slipping and who
spouts nonsense. I've read that with a family member, one tactic is to
say "Yes, and... " then pivot the conversation to something pleasant and
distracting. Pretend to agree, then deflect. But I can't see that
working here.

Is there a psychologist or therapist in the audience? Again, I'm serious.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:57:42 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:

I can't tell you what it is like to have your memory wiped not clean but enough that you only have flashes and small memories of what you did in the past. I finally tripped over the ground breaking PCR mechanism I designed for Kary Mullis https://www.ebay.com/itm/Perkin-Elmer-Cetus-Pro-Pette-Sampling-System/163276237068?hash=item260405a90c:g:yBYAAOxy7AxSK3wI

This was the first generation. The next one was called Pro/Group and had several additional planes of motion. It could be used for sequencing DNA. Later I worked on one of these things that was 3 feet tall and had something like a 4 foot base and was used in the processing of pharmaceuticals for drug companies. I also did the electronics for Bio-Rad gas and liquid spectrometers. I looked at a couple of them that seemed familiar but I couldn't be sure. Since most of these things were mechanical designs and my job was to control liquid or gas motions and to display results, I wouldn't know the innards much.

[Frank Krygowski]

<sigh> Tom, you told us the exact location of the spot you claimed you
had just hit your head on a thick tree branch. The Street View photos
were current.

The trees were quite mature, not recently planted. There were no
branches anywhere near the height of a cyclist's head. If there were,
they'd have broken the windshield of a Ford F-150 and many other common
vehicles.

And if the branch were not imaginary, how could you miss seeing a thick
branch hanging so low over a roadway while we were in the middle of
discussing whether such branches are common?

Your memory is not what it once was, I'm sorry to say.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, you have to be one of the most ignorant people on the face of this planet. What POSSIBLE reason would I have for saying that I hit my head on a tree branch that had grown all the way out into the bike lane when I was talking about my new Bontrager Q-cell helmet? Those photos were NOT current and three of them you showed had widely different dates on them and NONE of them had the current year. Exactly how sick do you have to be for something like that to go through your mind?

You are not playing with a full deck and I suggest that you see a really good psychologist.

[Mark cleary]

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:18:58 PM UTC-5, James wrote:
> On 7/4/21 2:09 pm, jbeattie wrote:
> > A few miles into my evening ride on my cable-shift Emonda -- with my
> > wife pushing me on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill and
> > snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11. Great. In the middle of a
> > 9% grade, that turned at the top to another climb, but a short one.
> > I tacked a bit, got home and then jumped on the Di2 disc Synapse and
> > started over. Heavier with fenders, etc., but still a nice bike.
> > The discs, BTW, don't drag at all. Thank Buddha for that reliable
> > Di2.
> >
> > The good thing about the latest Ultegra levers is that there is a
> > trap door under the lever body, and you can remove one screw, take
> > out the door and grab the broken cable and end. No more fishing it
> > out of the lever. This is the second time in 20 years on STI that
> > I've broken a cable. Before that I broke a friction bar-end cable in
> > the middle of a tour. I had a spare.
> >
> I guess when you've been riding the Di2 setup for the same time &
> distance you'll be able to make a more reasonable comparison.
>
> I'm still waiting to break a cable after more than 30 years of using
> cable actuated gears and brakes.
>

> --
> JS
Mine have broken twice in the past 2 years right at about 6 months. The cable ends fray and lucky me it is flat in Illinois and I just ride home and put on a new cable. I change the last one that snapped in July 2020 so about a month ago instead of waiting for the cable to snap I just put a new one on. It is always the rear derailleur don't use the front much. Well sure enough the old cable looked fine when I pulled it out no fraying but I put a new cable one. Really a minor price to pay for not worry as much about snapping them on a ride. Actually I am pretty lucky I get 3-4000 miles before they snap or need to be change. No not going to Di2 my 6800 shifts smooth and silent.

Deacon Mark

[Tom Kunich]

On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 10:10:43 AM UTC-7, Mark cleary wrote:
>
> Mine have broken twice in the past 2 years right at about 6 months. The cable ends fray and lucky me it is flat in Illinois and I just ride home and put on a new cable. I change the last one that snapped in July 2020 so about a month ago instead of waiting for the cable to snap I just put a new one on. It is always the rear derailleur don't use the front much. Well sure enough the old cable looked fine when I pulled it out no fraying but I put a new cable one. Really a minor price to pay for not worry as much about snapping them on a ride. Actually I am pretty lucky I get 3-4000 miles before they snap or need to be change. No not going to Di2 my 6800 shifts smooth and silent.
>
> Deacon Mark

I have no understanding of how you can do this. I did break an old steel cable that the Chinese were selling, or rather that a local was stocking and selling out of his garage. But I have never broken a single stainless cable and I have used some pretty cheap ones. I prefer the top end Campy cables and have never even come close to breaking one AFTER it was installed. As I was recovering my memories and some manual dexterity I did break some cables while installing them. But that was long ago and far away.

[Mark cleary]

Well it is at the end in the shifter so it frays from the anchor point in the cable. Not like the cable just snaps into 2 separate pieces. If fact the cable really does not break it just pulls apart in the shifter and then you have to fish the parts out and make sure leave nothing behind. Shimano on the new stuff now has a part on the shifter to remove at space to get the cable head out. I have heard on earlier stuff sometimes they got stuck in and then you had to replace the shifter. There is even some place they have a way t drill through the shifter to get the cable head to spare the shifter.

But frankly if you want to know the truth on why it happens to me is because of all the power I produce in the hands on the shifter. I mean I can drop some serious power numbers up there when I take the swipe 🤣
Deacon Mark

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 01:30:43 -0000 (UTC), News 2021 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

Minor correction. His 1954 Nobel Prize was in Chemistry. In 1962, he
received the Nobel Peace Prize:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling>

When I was young and stupid, I fell for the vitamin C scam. Every
time I felt like I might be catching a cold, I would take vitamin C in
the amount and manner prescribed by Pauling in one of his book. Oddly,
it worked for me fairly well at preventing or delaying a cold. I was
rather surprised when the Mayo Clinic ran trials and declared it
ineffective. Of course, they were testing it as a cure for cancer,
not a cold. Your mileage might vary.

Perhaps Tom was thinking of the Ig Nobel Award winners? The winners
really are quite intelligent in all areas except for their selection
of research projects:
<https://www.improbable.com/ig-about/winners/>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ig_Nobel_Prize_winners>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ig_Nobel_Prize>

[Tom Kunich]

Shimano never used this design in which both cables come out under the tape. This is a fairly new design and it is a funny design in which you poke the cable through from one side, remove a compartment cover and push the cable at a 90 degree angle up though a small passageway. I had misgivings about it when I saw it but it appeared to work fine on my 105 stuff on a cyclocross bike. I would have used what I think is called an Archimedes wheel-like mechanism.

[John B.]

Perhaps Tommy has read the same suggestion that you have about pivot
the conversation into something else... he does it all the time.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Roger Merriman]

On the gravel bike the cables seem fairly protected, so generally don’t
have a issue, on the MTB has too much open space so bike shop has hacked
it, ie used a continuous line so there is only where it enters the
derailleur that muck can get in.

On the commute bike which is outside 99.9% of the time water gets in, plus
I have some soggy bits on the commute.

I think I did try some posher cables few years back, but it gummed up as
quickly, sometimes can be cleaned, the MTB and commute bike reach that
point once a year or so, Gravel not so far, it’s 2/3 years old. Though it’s
used in much kinder conditions.

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Unlike you hiding far away in a foreign country, Scharf is only a couple of miles away and needs new teeth anyway. Jeff is on his final legs and will very soon be gone and that is where all of his angst comes from. Jay has lost most of his income to those "mostly peaceful demonstrations" and like everyone else with good sense is ready to flee the burning building. You are here for one reason, to feel like you belong somewhere. Well you are welcome to the point you begin your high school crap of ganging up on someone. Then you will discover that your gang rapidly disappears.

[Tom Kunich]

I keep a touring bike out back in case something happens to my bike of I have one of those occurrences of my eyes pointing in difference directions and I get in a wreck and lose my license. It has never occurred when I'm driving and I would instantly pull over if it did, but I am prepared.

[Roger Merriman]

Whoosh!

Are you talking about a seizure?

Roger Merriman

[jbeattie]

The dual internal cable, AFAIK, started with the second generation 10sp (>10 years ago) and uses a similar winding mechanism, but the cable now takes a hard turn in the lever, which is not where it breaks -- but those hard turns do put high stresses on the internal guides. The 6700 had a much more straight-forward cable path, and I don't know why they changed that up for the 6800. I think cable failure has been in basically the same place in all the STI shifters -- about a CM from the button head.

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B.]

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 07:28:03 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

And weird Tommy when accused of changing the subject to deflect the
fact that (once again) he doesn't know that he is talking about (you
won't believe it) changes the subject yet again.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

No, it is an occasional reaction to the medication. It only lasts a minute of so and it is usually when I am sitting down in my house. It has never happened on the bike except one time an I simply closed one eye so I could safely pull to the side and wait for it to pass. It has never happened while I was driving but then I don't drive close to when I take the medication. After 20 minutes after I take the medication it can happen. I suspect it is a rapid absorption and had started eating before taking the medication. In two weeks I see my Neurologist again and we can discuss what happened last night. I had an episode in the middle of the night that felt like what he thought was a miniseizure. When I got up this morning I realized that I had taken my evening medication twice. Since it screws up your short term memory I put the pills in a plastic container market with morning and evening and day of the week. I was busy when the alarm went off so I delayed taking the medication. Then I must have forgotten that I had taken the medication and did it again despite the fact that it was marked. So these problem may all be attributable with an overdose rather than an underdose.

[Tom Kunich]

I have never seen a cable break in a 6700 series lever nor heard of it. It was a perfectly straight pull. That hard turn occurred in the 6800 and later levers and that put a large strain on the lead wire tip and the area where the turn occurred. It all seemed to work well enough but then all of the stuff I used them on had newly installed cables. How old was the cable of yours that broke?

[Roger Merriman]

Hmm may not be epilepsy, but sounds rather seizure like to be honest.

If the medication is causing it, which does happen definitely worth asking
for alternatives.

Didn’t you have a brain injury? Stuff that reduces cognitive function
doesn’t seem a great idea, unless no other options.

Roger Merriman

[Joy Beeson]

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 10:59:49 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Folks, I think we have to seriously consider the possibility that Tom is
> well into dementia. It's sad, and I'm not joking.
>
> In his post about 33 lines above he said "Half of this scientific world
> has been changed by the things I have done." But at the end of the
> quoted material just above he said "Your world must certainly be small
> if what I did seems to you to be the half of the scientific world."
>
> So he can't remember what he very recently said. This example is far
> from unique.
>
> I don't know how to deal with someone whose mind is slipping and who
> spouts nonsense. I've read that with a family member, one tactic is to
> say "Yes, and... " then pivot the conversation to something pleasant and
> distracting. Pretend to agree, then deflect. But I can't see that
> working here.
>
> Is there a psychologist or therapist in the audience? Again, I'm serious.

At this remove, neither psychology nor therapy is possible, and if it
were possible, it would not be appropriate.

There is nothing to do but to fall back on common courtesy. When
Tommy says something sensible, respond to it. When he burbles word
salad, pretend not to notice.

And don't feel obliged to read every single post. Nobody knows you
are present until you say something, so feigning interest is not only
not required, but rude.


--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

[Ralph Barone]

Agreed. Whatever needs to be done here needs to be done by local friends
and family. Our only tiny role is not to make things worse.

[Duane]

+1

[Tom Kunich]

My concussion caused some small brain injuries which lead to Diabetic-like seizures which usually leave no memories of them having occurred. The medication is reasonably cheap and readily available and pinning it down to perhaps over-dosing might be an end to most of the problems. But there is always problems. I have no feeling in the front half of my feet which is a result of the medication and is noted as a side effect of its actions in the brain. But it is something I can work around.

[Tom Kunich]

So now you too are assuming that this group of people who almost entirely have no business even being on a technical group have something of value to say about high tech bicycles when they all ride 1950 Schwinn's?

Andrew and Roger and Jay at least have something to say but you think that FRANK? whose donation to this site was that I was lying about being hit in the head by a limb of a tree grown out into the bike lane and covered so thoroughly with leaves that it was unseen and his "proof" of that preposterous statement was a picture from google earth 5 years or more old? This is what you believe to be babble on my part when I think that sort of thing from a large number here is misplaced?

You just placed yourself in that category yourself.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 4:47:35 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie <jbeat...@msn.com>

> wrote:
> >A few miles into my evening ride on my
> >cable-shift Emonda -- with my wife pushing me
> >on her ebike, I shifted to go up the next hill
> >and snap -- immediate downshift into 34/11.

> >(...)
>
> There used to be a company selling carbon fiber brake cable kits
> called Power Cordz:
> <https://www.velonews.com/gear/road-gear/wrenched-and-ridden-power-cordz-brake-and-shifter-cables/>
> Their web site at:
> <http://www.powercordz.com>
> is gone, so I assume that something went wrong with the company or
> product. Seems to be a tolerable alternative.
> <https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=254169>
> <https://www.pinkbike.com/news/power-cordz-review-2010.html>
> <https://www.roadbikerider.com/power-cordz-d1/>
>
> If you don't mind risking your bicycle, life, and future, you can
> possibly replace the steel brake wire with a different material, such
> as carbon fiber or various Aramid fibers such as Kevlar, Dyneema,
> Spectra Amsteel Blue, etc. However, if the risk is too much, use the
> standard stainless steel cable in rear brake, and the CF or Aramid
> fiber replacement in the front brake, until you have some confidence
> in the idea.
>
> Remember, you have but one life to give for advancing bicycle tech.
>
> "Understanding The Subtle Differences Between Carbon Fiber And Aramid
> Fiber"
> <https://pur-carbon.com/blogs/news/understanding-the-subtle-differences-between-carbon-fiber-and-aramid-fiber>
>
> Kevlar Ropes, Cables, and Fibers"
> <https://www.dupont.com/fabrics-fibers-and-nonwovens/ropes-cables.html>

>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

I briefly toyed with the idea of using powercords a few years ago. The thing that put me off was the alleged issue of the cable slipping out of the clamp - apparently it was difficult to get the clamps to effectively hold the cable even when the clamp was tightened to the extreme. I read that on several different forums. One user posted that he wrapped the cable through the clamp twice. I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 2:08:38 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 11:53:57 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

> > On 4/8/2021 2:22 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > People who pretend to be engineers are tiring.

> > You're telling us?? ;-)
> I have 50 years of accomplishments at the highest levels. Tell us what you have added to the modern technology.

But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer, you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields. Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.

[sms]

On 4/12/2021 11:16 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> But you are not an engineer. I'm guessing to be an official engineer, you have to have a college degree in one of the engineering fields. Like Jay has an official Juris Doctorate degree so he can officially call himself a lawyer. A good analogy would be Bill Gates. 4th richest person on earth. But he does not have a college degree. He probably has a bunch of honorary degrees but those don't count. Bill cannot say he is a college graduate. Because he is not. Now obviously that probably means zip to him. You are not an engineer but Frank is. Despite all the engineering accomplishments you have achieved in your life.

True, Tom is not an engineer. But it is true that there are individuals
that can perform engineering related tasks that lack a degree or
Professional Engineer license and they refer to themselves as engineers.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:22:39 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Instead like an English teacher you've chosen to pick my resume apart for its spelling errors and not the thousands of human lives I've saved.
>

This is how the world works. Imagine an engineer who is designing the rockets for the Apollo missions to the moon submits a resume with the heading "Michanicle Ingeeneer of Roockets". He may be the greatest mechanical and/or rocket engineer in the world, but if he can't even master the basics of spelling, you doubt he can master the more complex things. Did Einstein put on his resume "Fisics Ticher"? Or "Paytent Clirk"? There is some kind of saying that goes you got to learn to walk before you can run. You got to learn basic spelling before we believe you are a master engineer.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 5:28:58 PM UTC-5, News 2021 wrote:
> > You are the one that decided to insert yourself into this discussion
> > after that moron Frank chose to tell everyone I was lying about hitting
> > a tree branch because he could find street pictures of that area only 5
> > years old. So don't pretend that you have ever had any effect on the
> > world around you because I've spent my life doing just that whether it
> > was volunteering for the Air Force

> volunteered? Didn't yo say you were drafted?

I am going to have to defend Tom on this one. Draft was only for the Army. Everyone who joined the Air Force, Marines, Navy were volunteers. I suspect some, many of them volunteered for the other services to avoid the worse fate of the Army. My Uncle volunteered for the Navy in the early 1970s to avoid being drafted by the Army. He did not have bone spurs or money for college. But the Navy trained him as a nurse and he received a paid for college degree afterwards.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Friday, April 9, 2021 at 3:14:36 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> When I was young and stupid, I fell for the vitamin C scam. Every
> time I felt like I might be catching a cold, I would take vitamin C in
> the amount and manner prescribed by Pauling in one of his book. Oddly,
> it worked for me fairly well at preventing or delaying a cold. I was
> rather surprised when the Mayo Clinic ran trials and declared it
> ineffective. Of course, they were testing it as a cure for cancer,
> not a cold. Your mileage might vary.
>

I remember back in the 1970s (vaguely since I was so young) that Vitamin C was the wonder drug/vitamin. Good for everything. But its promotion faded over the following 40 years. And now we have Keto diets, and fat protein no carb diets, and Nugenix and various testosterone pills promoted on TV by old athletes so they can have nonstop sex with their young good looking fourth wife. And the no genetically modified food stuff and Whole Foods natural everything. World keeps getting better and better.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 9:28:06 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jay has lost most of his income to those "mostly peaceful demonstrations" and like everyone else with good sense is ready to flee the burning building.

I doubt the legal system was affected much by the Covid-19 epidemic and was likely enhanced by the various protests. Although I don't think Jay is a public defender lawyer or is a criminal lawyer. I think he is a lawsuit type lawyer. And being a lawyer I am sure he can do his job almost anywhere, such as at home. He only needs to attend the court house.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Using Jay as an example. I am sure I have read somewhere that it is officially illegal to call yourself a lawyer, IF you do not have an official law degree. Guessing there is something similar with MD doctors. And PhD doctors too. You cannot call yourself a doctor if you don't have the letters behind your name. I'm familiar with the CPA, Certified Public Accountant. You have to pass the CPA test and take continuing education classes to officially call yourself a CPA. CPA is associated with accounting. Anyone can do accounting work and call him/herself an accountant. No requirements at all. You probably don't even have to know about balance sheets, income statements, statement of cash flows, revenue, expense, journal entries, etc. It helps though. You can call yourself an accountant if you want. But you cannot call yourself a CPA.

[Ralph Barone]

In California (as in many other jurisdictions), Tom could call himself an
engineer, but he can’t call himself a Professional Engineer, as that title
is reserved for those that are trained and licensed accordingly.

https://www.bpelsg.ca.gov/laws/pe_act.pdf

[Tom Kunich]

Sorry, but to be an engineer you need only to be hired by a company into an engineering position. Exactly where did you get the idea that you could invent definitions off your cuff?

[Tom Kunich]

Do you have to show your ignorance? https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe

[Tom Kunich]

I know you love to use that "bone spurs" bullshit that Trump used to stay on the good side of Hollywood but you couldn't have a medical release from the draft without being first drafted and such a release would NOT come from a private doctor but a military doctor. Plainly you are unaware that since Trump went to a military academy and had a four year degree, he could NOT have been drafted but would have been commissioned into a service chronically short of officers. Would you mind telling me where you get all of this mythology that is used by the left simply because they don't care WHAT they say?

[Tom Kunich]

You get funnier by the second. You do NOT need a law degree to practice law. You need a law license and anyone that wants to study and pass the exam can practice law. The same with a CPA - you have to pass an examination and plenty of CPA's do not have a degree and many that work for very large companies.

[Tom Kunich]

Certainly Ralph but "professional engineers" are almost entirely construction engineers for building government projects. In WW II a very large percentage of the aeronautical engineers were neither professional engineers nor degreed. Even up to fairly late aeronautical engineers only needed a degreed project leader. I was a project leader that did major work for the government and the subject of a degree of any kind never came up.

[John B.]

Well, if you are referring to the "Draft" during WW II then you are
wrong as, if I remember correctly, to be "drafted" in those days only
meant that you were inducted into the military service and might be
assigned to any of the branches. I had an uncle that was "drafted"
into the Navy and served in the Seabees throughout WW II.

As for Tom being drafted then no he wasn't as when he joined the Air
Force the "Draft", as you say, only applied to those entering the
Army.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[jbeattie]

You're wrong. You need a law degree to practice in Oregon and most states. A few states, including California, allow you to "read the law," viz., serve a structured apprenticeship. In NO state can you just pass the bar exam and practice law.

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B.]

But Tommy boy, you tell so many lies that it is difficult to determine
whether you are telling the truth or not.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Ralph Barone]

Yeah, but that world is shrinking. Any time that public safety could be at
risk, you are going to find requirements for a PE to sign off. In fact, the
link you posted elsewhere (
https://www.nspe.org/resources/licensure/what-pe ) basically says the same
thing.

In my jurisdiction, the government has recently enacted legislation
expanding the regulation of engineers, geoscientists, technologists and a
couple of other fields. So you may not live to see it, but it’s going to be
harder and harder for alternatively educated, unlicensed practitioners of
engineering to earn a living, because at some point, either the government
or your clients are going to start asking that your work be sealed by a
PEng.

https://professionalgovernancebc.ca/about/professional-governance-act/

[John B.]

Tommy boy, you got it wrong again Trump went to the New York Military
Academy which describes itself as "a college preparatory, co-ed
boarding school in the rural town of Cornwall". It is not associated
with the U.S. military in any manner and students are not awarded a
commission in any branch of the U.S. military.

As for his last deferment Trump himself stated that "“I had a doctor
that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels,”.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Wrong AGAIN. Tommy boy you are batting 1,000.

No state will certify anyone for a "law License" without either a
collage degree or proof of an apprenticeship under a qualified lawyer.
California, for example, requires "Study in a law office for four
years under the supervision of an attorney with at least five years of
active law practice in California. The study must involve 18 hours per
week, with five hours directly supervised, in addition to monthly
exams and bi-annual progress reports submitted to the California State
Bar."
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Wrong, again. See the links below.
https://www.becker.com/cpa-review/iowa-cpa-requirements

https://nasba.org/exams/cpaexam/iowa/
Eligibility for Examination
As a first-time applicant, you must be of good moral character and reputation and meet ONE of the following degree and accounting concentration requirements:
Earned a graduate degree with a concentration in accounting from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board.
Earned a graduate degree in business from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.
Earned a baccalaureate degree in business or accounting from a program that is accredited by an accrediting agency recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.
Earned a baccalaureate or higher degree and completed the following hours from an accredited institution recognized by the Board, and:
completed at least 24 semester hours in accounting with at least one course in each of the following courses: financial accounting, auditing, taxation, and management accounting – excluding elementary or principles level courses. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable. And, completed at least 24 semester hours in business-related courses, such as: finance, management, marketing, economics, and business law. Courses in internship or life experience are not acceptable.

The "good moral character" reference is humorous.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

I was referring only to the Vietnam war. Not WW2. During WW2 I suspect each military branch did drafts for everyone eligible. No college deferment or bone spurs allowed. But I am only talking about Vietnam. The most relevant for almost everyone alive today. WW2 ended 75 years ago. There are not many WW2 veterans still alive today. They are all in their 90s. Vietnam vets are only in their 60s and up.

[John B.]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:29:44 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"

Re WW II, there was one draft which covered the entire military
service. But once "drafted" one was assigned to a specific branch of
the service.

In Vietnam days, you are correct, Draft meant the army. the other
services got those who didn't want the army and so enlisted in
whatever branch they wanted.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Jay, first they say you must have a BA. Anyone that can read a book can get a BA these days. Then they say you must attend a law school. But unaccredited schools are accepted. That is nothing but a waste of time in that case and does nothing but make money for people claiming to run law schools. The important thing is passing the bar exam. If you have a license to practice law in one state you can achieve that in any other state simply by taking the bar exam for that state.

Like medical doctors, most lawyers are incompetent and a large percentage of them cannot make a living at the work and become things like legal advisors to politicians or corporate lawyers that need never enter a courtroom in their lives.

[Tom Kunich]

I realize that you're so stupid that you don't even know how you got your stripes but a military academy teaches military comportment. And you can gain a commission simply with four years of college that had nothing military about it. Try not to make a larger jackass out of yourself than necessary. https://www.boardingschoolreview.com/blog/5-common-myths-about-military-schools

[jbeattie]

Tom, If it were so easy to get a degree, then why don't you have one? Or a high school diploma? When you were college age, Cal was free -- although Governor Reagan upped tuition to like $60 a semester in '67. Even you could afford that. You could have afforded any of the state schools.

And I don't get you point about state reciprocity. Yes, you can be admitted in other states if you pass their bar or if they allow you to waive in (usually involving taking mandatory CLEs on state practice). It works the same way with doctors. They don't have to go back to med school to practice in different states. What is your point, if you have one?

> Like medical doctors, most lawyers are incompetent and a large percentage of them cannot make a living at the work and become things like legal advisors to politicians or corporate lawyers that need never enter a courtroom in their lives.

Most lawyers are incompetent? Hmmm. Okey-dokey. Remember that the next time you get busted for waiving a gun at the police or doing something else lunatic. Represent yourself. That would be a hoot to watch.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

Why is your memory so weak? I told you that I did have a high school diploma. I took a GED and got one and then discovered that I had all of the credits and actually graduated from high school but didn't know it until my high school reunion. They actually announced that I had joined the Air Force at the graduation assembly. It must pain you that people can be much more successful at other walks of life than law. You couldn't get me to be involved in the law. Though my youngest step daughter runs the legal department of Kaiser Hospitals. She prepares all of the briefs for the hundred or so lawyers that handle all of the legal problems for all of the various concerns of Kaiser. I guess a 6 month course in being a legal aid has some value. They are paying her pretty well.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:47:59 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Like medical doctors, most lawyers are incompetent and a large percentage of them cannot make a living at the work and become things like legal advisors to politicians or corporate lawyers that need never enter a courtroom in their lives.

??????? I ride bikes with four lawyers. One is still practicing as an independent, one is a corporate lawyer, one is retired from a law firm, and the other is a state judge. They all seem competent to me. The independent handled the paper work for buying my house, my will, and a lawsuit I filed after being in a bike/car accident. Thankfully I have not had to appear before the judge. Although he would likely recuse himself since he knows me. I also know a medical doctor too. Besides the one I see frequently for my own medical care. The doctor I know personally has given me some limited medical care. She pulled the stitches out of my face after a bike accident. I'd rate her as pretty competent too. She keeps her bike riding bum of a husband on the straight and narrow.

[jbeattie]

I'll tell you what. I'll post my HS diploma to a photo-sharing site, and you post yours. And why did you get a GED if you graduated from high school? How would you not know that you graduated from high school? Did you forget?

And why would it pain me that other people can be much more successful at "other walks of life"? I don't even get that. None of my siblings are lawyers, and they're all very successful. We all live on the tops of hills in mansions designed by Howard Roark, looking down on you . . . laughing and drinking margaritas all day long and shrugging, like Atlas.

-- Jay Beattie.


PS -- your youngest step daughter is not running the legal department at Kaiser any more than one of my paralegals is running my firm. The Oakland operation is run by a VP/assistant general counsel. https://lawyers.findlaw.com/profile/view/2174068_1

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

It would take pretty spectacular dotard to graduate from high school and not know it.

> And why would it pain me that other people can be much more successful at "other walks of life"? I don't even get that.
> None of my siblings are lawyers, and they're all very successful. We all live on the tops of hills in mansions designed
> by Howard Roark, looking down on you . . . laughing and drinking margaritas all day long and shrugging, like Atlas.

Dollars to donuts he doesn't get the reference.

>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>
>
> PS -- your youngest step daughter is not running the legal department at Kaiser any more than one
> of my paralegals is running my firm. The Oakland operation is run by a VP/assistant general counsel.
> https://lawyers.findlaw.com/profile/view/2174068_1

She probably told him that and he bought it just like he bought into the trump scam - hook, line, and sinker.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 2:14:01 PM UTC-4, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:47:59 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Like medical doctors, most lawyers are incompetent and a large percentage of them cannot make a living at the work and become things like legal advisors to politicians or corporate lawyers that need never enter a courtroom in their lives.

> ??????? I ride bikes with four lawyers. One is still practicing as an independent, one is a corporate lawyer,
> one is retired from a law firm, and the other is a state judge. They all seem competent to me.

You have to remember Russ, tommy's idea of competent lawyers are the likes of Kraken-releasers giuliani and syndey powell.