TROLLFEST: Who drove the Boy Scouts to Bankruptcy?

[Andre Jute]

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-02-19.html

I do wish this progressive scum soiling everything they touch wouldn't call themselves "liberals". They aren't liberal; they're intolerant and autocratic and corporatist and statist. And Ann Coulter and others who know better are aiding and abetting their deceit by acceding to their preferred nomenclature and offering them the undue courtesy of calling them liberals.

Andre Jute
Still, at least Ms Coulter is witty, which is more than one can say for any "progressive" I've ever met

[jbeattie]

Anne Coulter is a know-nothing dope. I sat though one of the few BSA trials. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2010/04/jury_awards_millions_in_punati.html I know at least one lawyer who will be on he creditors' committee -- as well as many of the lawyers representing the insurers. I just finished dinner with a VP of an insurance company that has a big chunk of the reinsurance risk. And I'm appellate counsel in one BSA cases that just got stayed and counsel in one trial case that got removed to bankruptcy court. The removal notice was in my in-box this morning. So, unlike conservative infotainment writers, I actually know these cases.

And this is what I have to say: a lot of kids were diddled and are the worse for it, and the BSA is facing many, many claims, and like asbestos manufacturers and others, it filed Chapter 11 to manage its liability. It will create a 524(g) channeling trust to deal with the claims and hold its insurance assets. The bankruptcy guys will get it put together, and the conservative pundits should STF up and let the adults work -- as they have for decades before Faux news and Rupert Murdoch started weaponizing basically everything.

Oh, by the way, the diddling occurred long before the liberals ruined he world, like back in the 50s and 60s when hating faggots was the American way. And yes, it was pedophiles who did the damage -- many married and with their own children in the scouts. Of course, none of this matters to the Faux News kool-aid drinkers.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

How much wine did you drink at dinner, Jay?

On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 5:34:35 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:34:39 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-02-19.html
> >
> > I do wish this progressive scum soiling everything they touch wouldn't call themselves "liberals". They aren't liberal; they're intolerant and autocratic and corporatist and statist. And Ann Coulter and others who know better are aiding and abetting their deceit by acceding to their preferred nomenclature and offering them the undue courtesy of calling them liberals.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Still, at least Ms Coulter is witty, which is more than one can say for any "progressive" I've ever met

> Anne Coulter is a know-nothing dope.

I'll let you help me beat her up for allowing pinko-commie-fellow-traveller scum to steal the word "liberal" from the good people.

> I sat though one of the few BSA trials. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2010/04/jury_awards_millions_in_punati.html I know at least one lawyer who will be on he creditors' committee -- as well as many of the lawyers representing the insurers. I just finished dinner with a VP of an insurance company that has a big chunk of the reinsurance risk. And I'm appellate counsel in one BSA cases that just got stayed and counsel in one trial case that got removed to bankruptcy court. The removal notice was in my in-box this morning. So, unlike conservative infotainment writers, I actually know these cases.

Right. So you'll be able to give us a list of the names of the people who were hounding the Boy Scouts of America to let homosexuals be scoutmasters.

> And this is what I have to say: a lot of kids were diddled and are the worse for it, and the BSA is facing many, many claims, and like asbestos manufacturers and others, it filed Chapter 11 to manage its liability. It will create a 524(g) channeling trust to deal with the claims and hold its insurance assets. The bankruptcy guys will get it put together,

Okay, but that's the outcome of the process Ms Couter describes. So far you're in perfect agreement with her.

>and the conservative pundits should STF up and let the adults work

That's what I mean by "intolerant and autocratic and corporatist and statist".

>-- as they have for decades before Faux news

You can't be meaning Fox News, now, can you? It's the news channel most Americans prefer, a democratic favourite. I myself am partial to watching Fox for up to five minutes every Monday night when Mark Steyn is on Tucker Carlson's show. And I hear Hannity and Ingraham are pretty good too. Who will you stand up against them. Rachel Maddow, who got everything wrong for four long years and is too dim to grasp that she's been humiliated? They must have given her a Rhodes scholarship for being a woman.

>and Rupert Murdoch started weaponizing basically everything.

Aw, come off it, man. I've put a lot of Rupert Murdoch's money in my pocket over a period spanning half a century, and he never once tried to tell me what to write -- unlike a double handful of holier-than-thou clowns, including the one who owned The Times and the Sunday Times before Mr Murdoch. On the contrary, when editors tried to hide a very controversial book of mine under a pseudonym, Mr Murdoch on a state visit made a beeline for it and congratulated them on having the balls to publish it.

> Oh, by the way, the diddling occurred long before the liberals ruined he world,

You're no doubt right. What Americans call "liberals", and what the rest of us call "closet marxists" or "leftover pinkos looking for a cause", have done a great deal of harm: you know, because I told you, that the ban on DDT alone, simply to prove that the environmentalists had political clout, has predictably turned into a genocide of the poorest and most defenceless women and children in the world, year after year, decade after decade. Such carelessness is unforgivable.

> like back in the 50s and 60s when hating faggots was the American way.

You clearly haven't read Ms Coulter's article. She lays out a much more recent pattern of pressure by progressives on the Boy Scouts of America to permit known gays to be scoutmasters.

>And yes, it was pedophiles who did the damage --

Are you being paid by the word? Who but pedophiles would want to sodomise boys?

>many married and with their own children in the scouts.

Once more you're in agreement with Ms Coulter. This is a red letter day for you, Jay.

> Of course, none of this matters to the Faux News kool-aid drinkers.

You haven't told me anything to undermine Ms Coulter's article, except your intolerance of dissenting opinion. As a lawyer, and actually involved in these cases, surely you know that the Boy Scouts' long history of keeping pedophiles out was undermined by "liberals" all the way up to a Supreme Court case.

> Faux News kool-aid drinkers

My link above is to Ms Coulter's netsite archive. Are you saying she has a programme on this "Faux News" that fascinates you so? Perhaps I should make a point of looking in on her programme.

> -- Jay Beattie.

Andre Jute
Imperturbable

[AMuzi]

Right. And the incidence of perverts is about the same for
any large group- schoolteachers, prison guards, military
officers and so on. Some groups get more scrutiny than
others, which doesn't make any of them better than others.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Andre Jute]

I've known gays and lesbians all my life because the arts and media are natural havens for them, but I'm hard put to think of even one predator among the hundreds I knew.

But it seems to me perverse to force a body like the Boy Scouts to accept gays as counsellors. That's like fighting fire by pouring gasoline on it.

Andre Jute
Disgusted, Ruislip

[jbeattie]

Natural havens? Like a game preserve?

> But it seems to me perverse to force a body like the Boy Scouts to accept gays as counsellors. That's like fighting fire by pouring gasoline on it.

That's a non-sequitur. If gays and lesbians are no more or less likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, then why would having a gay or lesbian den mother or scout master be like fighting fire by pouring gasoline on it? We've had non-pedophile gay scoutmasters for as long as we have had the Boy Scouts, except in the old days we called them "bachelors."

-- Jay Beattie.

[AMuzi]

Nice reply, thx.

Conflating homosexuals with child molesters doesn't help the
argument. There are plenty enough SOBs to go around:

https://wgntv.com/2020/02/20/man-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-3-year-old-girl-in-bathroom-of-river-north-restaurant/

[Tom Kunich]

After your far left comments and demonstrated lack of any knowledge of economics perhaps you should remain silent about a lawyer very much superior to yourself.

[Tom Kunich]

Andrew, believe me, a queer officer would accidentally be shot in very short time. Why do you think that they don't let declared homos into combat?

[Tom Kunich]

On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:27:22 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:

If you don't know a predator among them you don't know how to recognize them. Men are not born "gay". They are made that way through sexual abuse as they are growing up. That is; queers are made and not born.

[Tom Kunich]

Because it only takes a single spark to start a forest fire. But from your words you seem to think it takes a forest fire to start a spark.

[Andre Jute]

In real life I'm generally surrounded by agreable, amusiing, gracious people. It is only on the net that I seem to attract nasties. -- AJ

[jbeattie]

How can you tell, Tom? A moustache, maybe? Balding 70s-ish? I know the type.

Men are not born "gay". They are made that way through sexual abuse as they are growing up. That is; queers are made and not born.

Oh really. Hmmmm. My brother and sister are gay. We had the same parents, all worked from childhood, graduated from college(s). None of us have a criminal record. None of us were abused -- I mean apart from being raised by a couple of Midwestern depression era parents who believed in corporal punishment. We never did have a color TV and ate an inordinate amount of meatloaf and anonymous casseroles -- which is abuse by today's standards.

I think you're jealous of your gay overlords. My brother and sister are smarter than you, way richer than you, have nicer houses, better living conditions -- more stable marriages than you. No struggling in shitholia, whining about liberal oppression. Maybe you should consider switching sides. It's not too late. It's just a choice -- like joining the Kiwanis.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Oculus Lights]

On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 8:34:39 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:

I'm an Eagle Scout, and disgusted that perverts infested the Boy Scouts. Doesn't matter what a scout leader's preference is. Pedophile's come from anywhere.
But whose driving BSA bankrupt? Probably lawyers who never were Boy Scouts themselves. I never had a questionable experience with a Scout leader, and there were many career scouters whose kids were grown adults, or never had kids of their own but were Eagle's growing up and stayed active leading scouting all their lives.
I hope the BSA survives and comes back stronger than ever. Its an American institution that more kids should be active in.
Why shouldn't a gay be allowed to be a boy scout leader? Same as lesbians leading Girl Scouts.
A few years ago I was invited to teach electronics at a Boy Scout STEM encampment, after meeting scouts at a Maker Faire where I was exhibiting Oculus, and telling them I was an Eagle. Absolutely said yes quicker thank I could hear the words coming out of my mouth.
Some of these scouts might not be able to pitch a tent right, but the Boy Scouts Electronics Merit Badge handbook teaches practically what I considered a first year of college level of knowledge in electronics. Same for all the other STEM specialties, Boy Scouts has adapted to modern teenage activities in countless merit badge areas.
If I had a kid growing up now, I would absolutely want him in the Boy Scouts.
All I can say upon hearing that BSA has filed for bankruptcy,is that Allowat Sakima must be rolling in his grave.

[John B.]

The thing that I don't understand is how an entire organization can be
sued for the actions of a single individual. Can one, for example, sue
the Republican national party because Trump is a sexual predator?
Or even more topical, could one sue the Catholic Church because a
Priest fondles an Altar Boy?
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tim McNamara]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 07:36:07 +0700, John B <jbsl...@fictitious.site>
wrote:

>
> The thing that I don't understand is how an entire organization can be
> sued for the actions of a single individual. Can one, for example, sue
> the Republican national party because Trump is a sexual predator?

No, in part because those actions- as far as we know- predated him
becoming a Republican. The Republican Party has no defined supervisory
authority over any of its self-identified members; its employees are
another matter and the party can and has taken disciplinary action.

> Or even more topical, could one sue the Catholic Church because a
> Priest fondles an Altar Boy?

Yes, quite clearly so since it's been done successfully many times. The
Church has supervisory athority over the clergy, who are its employees,
which creates culpability for their actions. The Church also
facilitated access to victims and protected criminals from the law and
prosecution, apparently believing as religious zealots do that its
internal "laws" supercede civil law. Although in the case of the
Catholic Church the considerations were much more cynical than mere
zealotry. Hence why I am no longer a Catholic.

[jbeattie]

24 diocese have declared bankruptcy. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/bankruptcy.htm The BSA bankruptcy is SOP in child abuse and other mass-tort cases. One can argue about the liability theories, but the existence and effect of abuse is real.

The not-funny thing about clerical abuse is that specialty insurers have known about it for decades. I was looking at a rather unique church policy from the late 60s/early 70s the other day, and it was already chock-full-o exclusions for clerical abuse, described in a number of different ways.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

People tend to be kind and generous to others in face to face encounters. Especially to large people like me when speaking to others. It is the double effect of anonymity and a safe distance that makes small and not particularly tough people demonstrate aggressive behavior that they would neve show around others. I suspect John D. and Frank would be quite nice people in person.

In every event in which I have had to take others down a notch it turned out that they were normally aggressive in person. Physically these people always seem to be mad at the entire world. But mentally it seems to come from a lack of self confidence that usually stems from what they consider a lack of achievement. THAT is something that surprises me. Frank did OK for himself and yet he will try to correct you on things he obviously has no knowledge. John is what? Is he ashamed of himself? Why would that be? Yet he is little more than an attack dog half of the time if not more. Being a crew chief on an aircraft certainly wasn't a bad job. I don't remember what he did when he got out of the service but surely he could have a lot more self confidence than he shows. Barking dogs and all that.

[Tom Kunich]

Jay, we can argue but at least don't purposely misconstrue my statements. While homosexuality can be triggered by something as slight as a new child of the opposite sex being given more attention, male homosexuality is usually caused by Alpha Homos abusing young boys and the boys not having enough self awareness to realize it. They even have a psychological term for it that means that they've been training them up to be homos.

You cannot be "born" a homosexual because it comes from hormones and not a psychological makeup. They have been around since time immemorial since there is even the several mentions in the Old Testament.

While I suppose they get along OK I've never met one that was actually happy. That isn't because of society but because of their own knowledge. Suicide rates of homosexuals are through the ceiling and substance abuse leading to death is even larger.

Because of the specific medical instruments I worked on I got to know the problems and I do not hate homosexuals, I rather feel sorry for them and I would hope that you would as well.

[Tom Kunich]

I would like you to know something - AIDS is STILL spreading among homosexuals. Why is that? People that are infected might even take it as a Red Badge of Courage and tell every other homosexual and they DON'T CARE. Neither one of them as a matter of fact.

It isn't LAWYERS that are responsible for suing the Boy Scouts into bankruptcy but the fact that there were too many invisible homosexuals that were attacking boys. These boys had a right to sue and sue for anything and everything they could get hopefully to force the Boy Scouts or even the Catholic and Lutheran Churches to pay a great deal more attention to the people they place into positions above children; male or female.

That this occurred also in the Boy Scouts sort of disproves the negative connotations used about priests being "married to the church."

In the end it is completely the fault of the homosexuals but the boys are due justice and the Boy Scouts have to pay for their own failures.

[Tom Kunich]

When you don't even know what a sexual predator is perhaps you should go ask one of the local altar boys.

Normal adult sexual aggression by either party is not being a predator. But I'm sure you can invent something since that is your MO.

[Andre Jute]

La Coulter's case is:

1. The Boy Scouts for decades were extremely successful by aggressively background checks in excluding those predators who are most likely to sodomize boys, and

2. The liberals have for several decades now tried to force the Boy Scouts to permit entry to wannabe scoutmasters from the riskiest group, homosexuals, and therefore

3. It is the liberals who have driven the Boy Scouts into bankruptcy.

To which we might add:

4. The only people who will benefit from this sorry mess are left-wing lawyers.

Andre Jute
Collector of sick ironies

[news18]

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 13:59:58 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


> You cannot be "born" a homosexual because it comes from hormones and not
> a psychological makeup. They have been around since time immemorial
> since there is even the several mentions in the Old Testament.

lol, how's your foot?
Or are you blaming them all on The Christian Chruch

[news18]

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:12:58 -0800, Oculus Lights wrote:

> All I can say upon hearing that BSA has filed for bankruptcy,is that
> Allowat Sakima must be rolling in his grave.

Who?

[jbeattie]

Coulter's case is nonsense, and what seems to be missing are the abuse victims. BSA leader checks were ad hoc and complaint driven. They did not cover collaterals like volunteer assistants. I've met BSA abuse victims, and I wouldn't describe them as liberal. And many of the lawyers who represent BSA victims are not liberals, and in fact, the two that I know well are Republicans, although one is now dead. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/us/kelly-clark-a-lawyer-who-won-a-pivotal-abuse-case-against-the-boy-scouts-dies-at-56.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Clark_(lawyer) Kelly was also a strong Catholic. The woman who took over his practice, my former associate and the wife of one of my partners, is also a Republican. https://dumaslawgroup.com/author/gilion-dumas/ One can argue about contingent fees (I do all the time), but they are what they are, and they're not going away any time soon.

The conservative talking heads are, as usual, just stirring the pot without any understanding of what's in it -- selling newspapers and bandwidth to the tinfoil hat set. There are important liability issues that one could discuss (including revival and SOLs), but those discussions require use of the frontal lobe rather than the reptile brain. You won't see those types of discussions on Faux News.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 2:52:10 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:

That is a very good summation.

[Tom Kunich]

What the hell are you talking about? How in God's does pedophilia sodomization make anyone a liberal?

[AMuzi]

The guy in the background:
http://www.troop97.net/images/bshb5b.jpg

[John B.]

Achievement(s)?

And you are the guy who divorced his wife, lost a fortune in a upward
market, live on the dole and complain abut the cost of groceries,
looking for a job, residing in some sort of gang infested shithole,
and apparently too poor to move.
Oh yes! And a faulty memory and no hair.

In contrast Frank and I are retired and have sufficient funds to live
comfortably on, don't complain about costs, reside in pleasant
surroundings. still have our wives (had mine nearly 50 years now :-)
drive a new or relatively new car. And still got our hair and memory.

Tell us again about achievements.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 12:07:40 AM UTC, jbeattie wrote:
> On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 2:52:10 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 4:34:39 AM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-02-19.html
> > >
> > > I do wish this progressive scum soiling everything they touch wouldn't call themselves "liberals". They aren't liberal; they're intolerant and autocratic and corporatist and statist. And Ann Coulter and others who know better are aiding and abetting their deceit by acceding to their preferred nomenclature and offering them the undue courtesy of calling them liberals.
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Still, at least Ms Coulter is witty, which is more than one can say for any "progressive" I've ever met
> >
> > La Coulter's case is:
> >
> > 1. The Boy Scouts for decades were extremely successful by aggressively background checks in excluding those predators who are most likely to sodomize boys, and
> >
> > 2. The liberals have for several decades now tried to force the Boy Scouts to permit entry to wannabe scoutmasters from the riskiest group, homosexuals, and therefore
> >
> > 3. It is the liberals who have driven the Boy Scouts into bankruptcy.
> >
> > To which we might add:
> >
> > 4. The only people who will benefit from this sorry mess are left-wing lawyers.
> >
>
> Coulter's case is nonsense, and what seems to be missing are the abuse victims. BSA leader checks were ad hoc and complaint driven. They did not cover collaterals like volunteer assistants.

Take a deep breath there, feller. I charge more than you can afford to let lawyers practice their misrepresentations to the jury on me.

>I've met BSA abuse victims, and I wouldn't describe them as liberal.

Whoa! Let's have another look at that doozy:
Jay Beattie says: "I've met BSA abuse victims, and I wouldn't describe them as liberal."

How the devil does being victimised by a pedophile turn anyone into a "liberal"? We know you're slippery, Jay, but here you're outdoing yourself.

>And many of the lawyers who represent BSA victims are not liberals, and in fact, the two that I know well are Republicans, although one is now dead. https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/us/kelly-clark-a-lawyer-who-won-a-pivotal-abuse-case-against-the-boy-scouts-dies-at-56.html
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Clark_(lawyer) Kelly was also a strong Catholic. The woman who took over his practice, my former associate and the wife of one of my partners, is also a Republican. https://dumaslawgroup.com/author/gilion-dumas/

I'm not impressed by Republicans either. They lucked out with President Trump, well beyond their desserts. (Yeah, yeah, I know I thought he was the best of a bad choice -- anyone would be, running against a corruptocrat like Clinton -- but then I'm not a Republican, so I'm free to change my mind.)

>One can argue about contingent fees (I do all the time), but they are what they are, and they're not going away any time soon.

Nobody's said a word about lawyers digging contingency cases out of the Sleazy Porn Lawyer's dreams. (Go ask Tucker Carlson for the fellow's name; he tried to highjack Nike, who stood their ground, and now he's going to jail; I hope he gets extra time for stealing from Stormy Daniels.)

> The conservative talking heads are, as usual, just stirring the pot without any understanding of what's in it -- selling newspapers and bandwidth to the tinfoil hat set. There are important liability issues that one could discuss (including revival and SOLs), but those discussions require use of the frontal lobe rather than the reptile brain. You won't see those types of discussions on Faux News.

Which one is that again? After your remarks the other day I cruised the American news channels, CNN, MSNBC, etc, and they were all appallingly stupid and shallow, except for Fox, which happened to have Trey Gowdy on, who I understand is a retired prosecutor and Congressman -- I learned from a phone call to my man in NY that they pay him to appear, and they were getting good value for their money because in three short sentences, between calling the platinum blonde interviewing him "Mam" while she "Trey"-ed him, he cut through the fog and clarified the matter under discussion for good. Fox also has Mark Steyn under contract, but he's given up on America: he just makes jokes, admittedly very funny ones, which comes as a relief now that every comedian on the airwaves suffers under a delusion that he/she/it has suddenly become a political commentator. Steyn looks like he's already decided Bernie will be the nominee, unless the DNC looks lively and steals the nomination from Bernie -- just like they did in 2016. If the DNC reprise that effort they'll give it to Bloomberg, who is even less relatable than Hillary the failed nag; in either case, Trump will walk over the nominee like a pimple in the road. My guess is that the election be even duller and more one-sided than Steyn expects (and Conrad Black too), and that the Dems will be on their outers through at least four years and probably eight years of President Pence as well after Trump's second term. So much for an amusing 2020. See you in 2032, when the bartender will be another Dem loser candidate, and Diane Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi will dodder up to the microphone to uphold the "standards" of the Gerontocratic Party -- and deny that they are personally responsible for the longest Republican interregnum* in history.

> -- Jay Beattie.

Andre Jute
I was looking forward this election

*For those who're weak on their own history, the Dems were in power from 1933 when FDR -- you know who he was, don't you? -- came in until Eisenhower took over in 1953. In 1951/2 many leading Republicans were tearing their hair out that Taft, who was the "natural candidate" in just about the same way Hillary was the "natural candidate", would lose to Stevenson. I wrote a play on what Henry Luce's did about these fears, choosing him in particular because a) he was Taft's friend from college forward and b) it was Luce who persuaded Eisenhower (who was a Democrat -- in 1928 he even voted for Al Smith) to run as the Republican candidate. If you think today's disgraceful business of the whole media being in the tank for the Democrats is new, think again; one of Luce's main sidekicks in this venture, William Paley, owned CBS, which laid thousand of miles of very expensive cable to report Eisenhower's speeches (and none of Stevenson's), and just about every reporter with the trust of the people was a Republican, and all the big names from the war were anyway already on the payroll at CBS. The only difference is that the Republicans did it better: today's incompetent Dems, I discovered in less than an hour on YouTube and the phone, have the impressively persuasive Fox News outside the Unified Democrat Church and Party Tent -- pissing inwards.

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 4:27:10 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>
> Achievement(s)?
>
> And you are the guy who divorced his wife, lost a fortune in a upward
> market, live on the dole and complain abut the cost of groceries,
> looking for a job, residing in some sort of gang infested shithole,
> and apparently too poor to move.
> Oh yes! And a faulty memory and no hair.
>
> In contrast Frank and I are retired and have sufficient funds to live
> comfortably on, don't complain about costs, reside in pleasant
> surroundings. still have our wives (had mine nearly 50 years now :-)
> drive a new or relatively new car. And still got our hair and memory.
>
> Tell us again about achievements.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Tom Kunich]

Truman was never meant to be a nominee for President as Jimmy Carter never was. They were supposed to be the "kind" face of the DNC without ever actually disagreeing with them. So both Truman and Carter were hugely racist. Eisenhower have black troops fighting under him as well as every other race in this country all the while FDR had stopped all Chinese immigration since they were running from the Japanese invasion of the mainland. He was not in the least racist and so the Democrats hated him with a passion rivaled only by their hatred of Reagan and Trump.

It is always funny to watch the reactions of the Democrats here and everywhere else when they see the people who are truly American. They always accuse them of the same dystrophic disease they themselves are built upon.

[John B.]

Tommy, if the Democrats hated FDR so vehemently, as you say, why did
they elect him to three terms as president?
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

You have Alzheimer's don't you? FDR was elected by the voters and not "the Democrats".

[John B.]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 15:27:08 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

I see... you mean that he wasn't the choice of the Democratic National
Convention? Ran on an independent ticket?

Strange isn't it that at the National Convention (held by the
Democrats) in 1932 he received the majority of the votes. In the 1936
Democratic Party Convention the delegates unanimously re-nominated
incumbents President Roosevelt. In the 1940 Democratic Convention he
received 86.32% of the votes.

Tommy, you quite obviously don't have a clue about what your talking
about.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

FDR was the governor of New York. While he was stumping during the great Depression and the Dust bowl FDR came up upon the stage to address the dust bowl victims and it began to rain. That marked the end of the Dust Bowl. As far as the people of the USA was concerned he was God incarnate and was easily elected. And remained in the Oval Office until he died.

So stupid, don't speak as if the Democrat Party had much to do with a Democrat Governor of the most populace state at the time running for President.

I often wonder how long it will be before you forget to breath.

[John B.]

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 15:58:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

Errr... TOM! The so called "dust bowl" ended with the rains in the
fall of 1939. FDR had been elected President twice before that.

>
>So stupid, don't speak as if the Democrat Party had much to do with a Democrat Governor of the most populace state at the time running for President.

Well, firstly we weren't talking about a state governor, we were
discussing the President of the U.S.

I said the Democratic National Convention picked FDR as their
candidate. Are you arguing that he ran as an independent?

Or you arguing that the democratic party in the 48 states weren't out
there drumming up the votes for our boy Franklin?

Or are you just throwing dust in the air in a frantic effort to try
and cover up the fact that you just don't know (yet again) what you
are talking about ?

>I often wonder how long it will be before you forget to breath.

--
cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/25/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> FDR was the governor of New York. While he was stumping during the great Depression and the Dust bowl FDR came up upon the stage to address the dust bowl victims and it began to rain. That marked the end of the Dust Bowl.

Tom, where the heck do you get these wild ideas?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Well, I'll tell you - the Okies who fled the dust bowl and ended up in Oakland, all had relatives that didn't get out and were suffering there. They were told by the people that were there and they didn't mind sharing that information to anyone that had the ability to listen. You were never the kind to listen to anything other than Marxism as Jay. So drag your helpless carcass somewhere else and tell others how much you know.

What you're now seeing with a stage full of rich white men telling the blacks how they are going to save them by taking away all of the jobs and giving everyone welfare, people like Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomdoggle telling crowds of almost 100 people that they got rich for them (imagine that, Steyer in particular making a virtue out of getting rich at the expense of others), all of the candidates promising socialism "for all" and trying to outdo each other on how many guns they intend to grab. The Democrat Party has committed suicide - they, like you, have opened your souls so that everyone could see inside and what they see is nothing but hate and envy and the belief that they are owed respect beyond that which they have earned.

Man-made climate change which is plainly a scam and the man-on-the-street knows this no matter how many children you are willing to scare into committing suicide. The continuous refrain of "The Deadly Corona Virus" which has symptoms identical to the common cold and they are supposing that everyone who feels a cold coming on is going to report to a hospital and be tested to verify whether it is a cold or a corona infection demonstrates the attempt again of the Democrats to frighten anyone possible into believing that they need a government - a great God - in Washington to SAVE THEM. Since the Corona Virus probably has 100 times or more the infection rates but they have an absolute number on the death rate it is pretty clear that it has the same fatality rate as influenza - older people with weak immune systems and pulmonary conditions. But it is "The Deadly Corona Virus" everywhere on the lame stream media and in your sick mind.

Frank - no one cares what you think. The ONLY reason you and John ever came on here is to attack others. Jay is just dumb enough to follow your lead.

Here is the FDR you deny existed: https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/FDR-Dems-would-be-total-strangers-today-Party-2716739.php

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/26/2020 9:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 25, 2020 at 6:53:39 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/25/2020 6:58 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> FDR was the governor of New York. While he was stumping during the great Depression and the Dust bowl FDR came up upon the stage to address the dust bowl victims and it began to rain. That marked the end of the Dust Bowl.
>>
>> Tom, where the heck do you get these wild ideas?
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>

> Well, I'll tell you - the Okies who fled the dust bowl ... yada, yada, yada...

You're deflecting again, Tom. Answer the question, please.

Where did you get the idea the dust bowl ended when governor Roosevelt
came up on stage to campaign to be president?

Don't be shy! Some of us enjoy watching your thinking processes!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

Good old Tommy... you get it wrong again. But then you have a habit of
doing that, don't you. And, when you get caught out you quickly change
the subject, trying to avoid anyone knowing what an ass you made of
yourself.

Just as you include a rather tear jerking description of President
Roosevelt below as though you just brought it down from the mountain
to enlighten the hordes, which is intended to overshadow your false
claim that FDR was re-elected due to the dust bowl.

Oh, and by the way, the description "The Deadly Corona Virus" which
has symptoms identical to the common cold" is utter bullshit, and I
use that term deliberately. A preliminary study published on The
Lancet on January 24 showed that 55% developed severe dyspnoea and 32%
required admission to an intensive care unit, and six died. Does that
sound like a "common cold"?
( dyspnoea - difficulty in breathing.)

>Here is the FDR you deny existed: https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/FDR-Dems-would-be-total-strangers-today-Party-2716739.php

Tommy... nobody denied that FDR existed. I even remember distinctly
the announcement of his death.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Tell us stupid - where did I say it did? I said that in the depths of the Dust Bowl FDR showed up to give a speech and it rained for the first time in a year. What has THAT to do with the Dust Bowl ending which wasn't until the start of WW II?

[Tom Kunich]

When you don't have a clue what you're talking about why do you work so hard to build a castle of bullshit - gasping for breath, labored breathing, "dyspnea" or whatever you call it is an advanced symptom and one that would go to a doctor you idiotic moron.

Most people that have corona virus have few symptoms beyond a cough, sneezing and a slightly elevated temperature. Many show no symptoms at all. Tell us more Dr. John Dumbshit.

Here is the Mayo Clinic which even you might have heard of: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes/syc-20479963?page=0&citems=10


When to see a doctor
Contact your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection with the new coronavirus and you've possibly been exposed to the virus. Tell your doctor if you've recently traveled internationally. Call your doctor ahead to tell him or her about your symptoms and recent travels and possible exposure before you go to your appointment.

[John B.]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:26:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

You really should try to understand something before you start your
orations. "Dyspnea" is simply a word used in the medical profession to
describe a condition:
dyspnea [disp-ne徨h]
breathlessness or shortness of breath; labored or difficult breathing

>
>Most people that have corona virus have few symptoms beyond a cough, sneezing and a slightly elevated temperature. Many show no symptoms at all. Tell us more Dr. John Dumbshit.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. The term "corona
virus" correctly termed a " coronavirus" is the term used for a virus
that attacks nose, sinuses, or upper throat and most coronaviruses
aren't dangerous.

HOWEVER, In early 2020, after a December 2019 outbreak in China, the
World Health Organization (WHO) identified a new type, 2019 novel
coronavirus (2019-nCoV), which can be fatal. The organization named
the disease it causes COVID-19.

The CDC has tested 445 people, in the U.S., for the virus and there
are, as of Feb. 26, 2020, some 60 confirmed cases. 25 of which are in
California and there is definite proof of the disease being
transmitted from person to person in the U.S..

>
>Here is the Mayo Clinic which even you might have heard of: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes/syc-20479963?page=0&citems=10
>
>
>When to see a doctor
>Contact your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection with the new coronavirus and you've possibly been exposed to the virus. Tell your doctor if you've recently traveled internationally. Call your doctor ahead to tell him or her about your symptoms and recent travels and possible exposure before you go to your appointment.

--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

https://www.thoughtco.com/dust-bowl-ecological-disaster-1779273
"In 1939, the rain finally came again"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/dust-bowl-surviving-dust-bowl/
"1939 - In the fall, the rain comes, finally bringing an end to the
drought."
https://www.findmypast.com/blog/history/1939-the-year-the-dust-bowl-settled
"1939 was the year that a decade-long period of dust storms finally
ceased ravaging the midwestern United States"

In 1939 FDR had been elected president twice, 1932 and 1936, what was
he doing "stumping" in 1939 a year before he ran for his third term in
1940?

Tommy, you have a problem. You make some stupid remark and when
someone questions you on it you runaround in little circles, like a
dog chasing it's tail, trying, frantically, to avoid having to admit
that you didn't know what you were talking about.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

Tom, everyone can see what you said. It's still quoted above.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

Marking the end isn't ending it. During the next 6 years the rains came fairly regularly but it took a concentrated program from the Department of Agriculture to change farming habits to topographical plowing.

I wonder why you come to this site at all. You aren't interested in bicycles, thinking a 1060 steel touring bike is the height of bicycle technology and you do nothing but argue about anything and everything.

So why are you here?

[Frank Krygowski]

Why is anybody here? Obviously, we all come here to talk about the Dust
Bowl and the evil Obama! ;-)


--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

Why, to tell the truth, of course.

Unlike you who tell lies and than try to change the subject to cover
up your own malfeasance.

See your statement above:

" FDR was the governor of New York. While he was stumping during the
great Depression and the Dust bowl FDR came up upon the stage to
address the dust bowl victims and it began to rain."

Now lets look at fact: The dust bowl was said to have started with an
unusually dry summer in 1930..... and said to end with the end of the
drought in the fall of 1939.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl

True FDR was governor of New Your from 1929 to 1933 but by the time
that the dust bowl drought ended with the rains in the fall of 1939 he
had been president of the U.S. for 6 years.

The puzzling thing is, Tom, Why do you tell such obvious lies when
only the tiniest amount of research is necessary to expose your
fantasies?

Is it some sense of insecurity making you attempt to be "the big man
on campus"? Or simply ignorance that makes you parrot such obviously
inaccurate stories?

--
cheers,

John B.

[news18]

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:38:18 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


> Marking the end isn't ending it. During the next 6 years the rains came
> fairly regularly but it took a concentrated program from the Department
> of Agriculture to change farming habits to topographical plowing.
>
> I wonder why you come to this site at all. You aren't interested in
> bicycles, thinking a 1060 steel touring bike is the height of bicycle
> technology

It Is. The rest is just crap sold to stupid wanabe wankers.

[Tom Kunich]

Then argue THOSE points and not just anything that comes along because you don't really have anything to add. A very large segment of the Okies that ran from the Dust Bowl came to the San Francisco area. So here we were all aware of what happened there. One of the kids who got me interested in electronics in the first place at 12 had an Okie father who I never heard utter a single sober word. He finally had to stop being friends with me because his father found out I was Croatian. Funny thing - that kid was smart enough to have easily been an EE but never rose above being an electrician for the city. He has a great retirement now but did he enjoy his work?

[Tom Kunich]

Well, in another week this wannabe wanker will have completed his 2018 Trek Emond SL6 with Di2 shifting and weighing in at under 17 lbs. And the total cost will be less than $1,500 or around L1,000 these days. That's for a $6,000 bike. And almost all of the components except the hand levers are new.

Put 30 lbs in a backpack and try to climb the local steep hill. Then try the same thing with 17 lbs. Though the difference in the total weight of body and bike is small, the human body is built to carry itself around and not additional weight.

You do know that they also build these things in Aluminum and so you can get one too for a lot cheaper than this would cost. And the weight difference is negligible. I would have bought an ALR if I didn't stumble across this.

[Frank Krygowski]

bicycles."


--
- Frank Krygowski

[news18]

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 07:52:17 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 4:11:00 PM UTC-8, news18 wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 10:38:18 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>
>> > Marking the end isn't ending it. During the next 6 years the rains
>> > came fairly regularly but it took a concentrated program from the
>> > Department of Agriculture to change farming habits to topographical
>> > plowing.
>> >
>> > I wonder why you come to this site at all. You aren't interested in
>> > bicycles, thinking a 1060 steel touring bike is the height of bicycle
>> > technology
>>
>> It Is. The rest is just crap sold to stupid wanabe wankers.
>
> Well, in another week this wannabe wanker will have completed his 2018
> Trek Emond SL6 with Di2 shifting and weighing in at under 17 lbs. And
> the total cost will be less than $1,500 or around L1,000 these days.
> That's for a $6,000 bike. And almost all of the components except the
> hand levers are new.
>
> Put 30 lbs in a backpack and try to climb the local steep hill.

Thanks for proving that some people are just plain stupid. Load carrying
tech for bicycle has moved beyound backpacks fr ore years than you have
been around, so why would you be so stupid to do it that way.

Then try
> the same thing with 17 lbs. Though the difference in the total weight of
> body and bike is small, the human body is built to carry itself around
> and not additional weight.
>
> You do know that they also build these things in Aluminum and so you can
> get one too for a lot cheaper than this would cost. And the weight
> difference is negligible. I would have bought an ALR if I didn't stumble
> across this.

Lol, all your efforts are gong t be like the modern competitve racing
yacht, hit a patch of rough weather/road and they crumple ike tin foil.

[Tom Kunich]

Don't talk about racing yachts. You look stupid there as well. I am a life member of the 2nd oldest yacht club on San Francisco bay. Besides racing my own yacht for many years, I crewed on large bay racers and then coastal racing 60 footers. I got a job so missed a Hawaii race. I warrant that I know a bit more about racing sailboats than you. I've watched 4 dolphin dancing on each bow wave and had whales breach within yards of the boat. I was watch captain and navigator on ocean races.

So that makes at least two things you've shown yourself to be ignorant of.

[news18]

Yep, a log of clubs have bar props.

> Besides
> racing my own yacht for many years, I crewed on large bay racers and
> then coastal racing 60 footers. I got a job so missed a Hawaii race. I
> warrant that I know a bit more about racing sailboats than you. I've
> watched 4 dolphin dancing on each bow wave and had whales breach within
> yards of the boat. I was watch captain and navigator on ocean races.
>
> So that makes at least two things you've shown yourself to be ignorant
> of.

What exactly are you talking about. Which two?
And the crumbling of racing yachts is hardly a rare occurence, unless it
is reguar fake news item that been going on for decades.

The real point is that for all your repeated claims to glory, your
history, as told by yourself in one of repeated failures and when you
bring out these "fairy tales", it is always a flailing attempt to divert
from a point made.

[Tom Kunich]

It appears to bother you that other people have actually done things. You can't catch a break can you? There doesn't seem to be anything you can ridicule that you know anything about.

[news18]

No you certainy can't, can you. You've done stuff, well good for you.
Just about everyoe else has. Why do you give a fritz WTF I or anyone else
thinks. P.S. get your meds adjusted.

[Andre Jute]

This dumb little fuck hiding behind "news18" is Peter somebody -- can remember the rest of his name now. He's a wannabe writer who thought he'd make himself look bigger by attacking my books, and stealing my copyright material. He once claimed that someone who owned a Laverda let him walk in off the street and work on it -- in Australia where a Laverda would have cost Ferrari money! He also claimed to know more about riding a big Laverda than I do. I not only owned two Laverda, I rode thousands of miles on them on those beautiful German B roads between the little opera houses that every town in Germany bragged back then. We haven't heard much since of the big BMW tourer and another big bike Little Peter claimed to have at the time. But Little Peter claimed to know more about Laverda than I did, who heard the story from the beginning on my visits to the factory to pick up my bikes. On another occasion he made up some South African expat racer, who, Little Peter claimed, had never heard of me. When I pointed out that there was no reason for a one-eyed (!) racer to have heard of me since I was 16 years old at the time and in school a thousand miles from where Little Peter placed his imaginary informant, he had no answer.

Basically, this "news18" is an electrician who promoted himself to be being a "computer expert" who basically made his living plugging in their computers for housewives and showing them where the on-switch is. Like it did for so many, the internet empowered his spite and rage at being dealt a dud hand for life. He's a nobody, a chancer with a chip on his shoulder. Ignore him.

Andre Jute
Boss motivational psychologist

[news18]

Wow, complete strike out. Well done AJ.

[Tom Kunich]

From his technical comments I never thought him a technician and he tried to pass himself off as.