british cycling trans women

[Roger Meriman]

In news that will surprise nobody British Cycling have banned transgender
athletes from Women’s cycling at least competition events, trans men who
haven’t started hormone therapy can compete in women’s events.

I’d also expect that the UCI in August will do the same, which seems to
where most bodies are going or are.

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20230526-about-bc-static-Update--Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Participation-policies-0


Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

There is no logical medical evaluation. the XY chromosome guarantees that muscle size and placement is entirely different from that of females. Do you suppose that they would accept people receiving hormone therapy that would weaken this advantage? How could you tell when enough was enough since winning could very well be a sign that not enough weakening was done?

[Roger Meriman]

Did you read either my post or the link?

Roger Merriman

[Radey Shouman]

Transgender competitive cyclist melts down, accuses British Cycling of
"genocide":

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/05/26/trans-women-banned-from-elite-races-by-british-cycling/

Seems a little over the top.

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[Roger Meriman]

I’m not surprised she’s angry she in particular has been messed about by
British cycling as they sent mixed messages and generally acted like it was
shock to them, such as her planned for some race been told that’s fine, and
then last moment no your not eligible.

Ie she is not a fan of them to put it mildly.

And while I agree that transgender women athletes shouldn’t be racing in
the woman category, British cycling have reacted only when stuff reached
crisis point. So I absolutely get the frustration with them.

Roger Merriman

[John B.]

Well... Can you enter a donkey at Royal Ascot?
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Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Perhaps I was confused by the statement "The ‘Female’ category will remain in place for those whose sex was assigned female at birth and transgender men who are yet to begin hormone therapy. " I suspect that is an error in the explanation.

[Tom Kunich]

Well, you know what they say in Poland - Tough-ski shit-ski

[Tom Kunich]

"It" has nothing to be disturbed about. If "it" doesn't know what sex "it" is that's just too bad; "It" has NO possibility of success against men and so opts to take women's chances away.

[Roger Meriman]

It means trans men ie born a woman but who haven’t taken any hormones etc,
ie are still biological a women etc can compete as a women. But might say
dress as man say? Can’t imagine get many folks doing that to be honest.

Roger Merriman

[Lou Holtman]

Is this the biggest problem we have today? As far as I know it is not 'fun' to be born a man and feeling like a woman or the other way around.

Lou

[John B.]

On Sat, 27 May 2023 23:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:22:48?AM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 1:13:08?PM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:12:34?AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> >>>> In news that will surprise nobody British Cycling have banned transgender
>> >>>> athletes from Women’s cycling at least competition events, trans men who
>> >>>> haven’t started hormone therapy can compete in women’s events.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’d also expect that the UCI in August will do the same, which seems to
>> >>>> where most bodies are going or are.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/about/article/20230526-about-bc-static-Update--Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Participation-policies-0
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There is no logical medical evaluation. the XY chromosome guarantees that
>> >>> muscle size and placement is entirely different from that of females. Do
>> >>> you suppose that they would accept people receiving hormone therapy that
>> >>> would weaken this advantage? How could you tell when enough was enough
>> >>> since winning could very well be a sign that not enough weakening was done?
>> >>>
>> >> Did you read either my post or the link?
>> >>
>> >> Roger Merriman
>> > Perhaps I was confused by the statement "The ‘Female’ category will
>> > remain in place for those whose sex was assigned female at birth and
>> > transgender men who are yet to begin hormone therapy. " I suspect that is
>> > an error in the explanation.
>> >
>> It means trans men ie born a woman but who haven’t taken any hormones etc,
>> ie are still biological a women etc can compete as a women. But might say
>> dress as man say? Can’t imagine get many folks doing that to be honest.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
>
>Is this the biggest problem we have today? As far as I know it is not 'fun' to be born a man and feeling like a woman or the other way around.
>
>Lou

From what I read the number, in the U.S., is 1.6 million, some 0.477%
of the population. Less the 1/2 of 1%.

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Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Women taking "male hormones" means testosterone with is already considered doping.

[Tom Kunich]

This is a mental illness and they NEVER feel correct no matter what and the suicide rate among this group is 4 times that of normal people from things like my cousin did - incurable illness and constant pain.

[Roger Meriman]

Yes that’s why any trans man can’t compete in woman’s competition once they
start having hormone therapy, I’m not sure when they can compete in men’s
competition, if at all? But I’d assume it’s a vanishingly small number of
trans men who haven’t started who want to compete in women’s sport I
suspect zero in fact!

Roger Merriman

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

USAC (USCF) rules have always allowed women to compete in mens categories as long as it isn't a UCI race. I haven't been involved in the rules much lately, Women can enter a mens field one category lower than their license or one age group above their license - or it used to be as such....not sure what it is these days.