Bags for spring

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/sealline/urban/category

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/29/2014 7:08 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
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> http://www.cascadedesigns.com/sealline/urban/category
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Well, as long as we're OT:

My wife and I have flatwater kayaks. I've longed for some sort of
analog to a bike's handlebar bag, a place in front of me that's easy
access, to store binoculars, bird books, sandwiches, etc. But something
that's waterproof, and that won't lose my gear if I capsize.

Anything to recommend?


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- Frank Krygowski

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

I'm shopping caws I cannah find muh under deck bag. Cool for the BOOMERANG as in hull air flow was cooler without.


for ideas try...http://www.northwater.com/ ....or nrs....immersion research.

know Paddlenet ?

Dry bags for cycling are useful in the GNW or Portland.

butbutbut the real deal is adding weight on deck top increases tippyness in maybe an area counterproductive to the designer's intentions.

better adding weight forward the feet or tween legs.

Velcro from Seattle Fabrics glued to hull with 3M 4200 quick set and to bag with 3M 77 solves the prob once a suitable bag's located.

I paddle a fully loaded expedition kayak as medicine ball so a top deck bag isn't tippy against water bags on the keel but I need to mock up the design....prob DIY...so I can see the deck compass.

[John B.]

The most common waterproof bag I see here is a sort of "fold the top
over" over bag. See
http://www.amazon.com/USMC-Military-SealLine-Sack-Waterproof/dp/B0036YSE9Q/ref=zg_bs_3414201_8
A lot of people that anchor out use them to keep their stuff in while
going back and forth in the dinghy.

Do a search on "yacht dry bag" and you'll get a bunch of hits for all
kinds of bags.

An alternate that you might use is a sailcloth, or something similar
bag and put the stuff in ziplock sandwich bags - these come in some
fairly large sizes. I use this method for my hand phone if I'm working
out on the water.
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Cheers,

John B.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

> John B.

posted Cascade Design back packs as adapted to cycling ...maybe. Cascades here means rain rain rain so the bag line is prob capable.

Clear vinyl is deafinitely a plus.

Big deal isnot so bags are waterproof but float !!! for me, specific tools try escaping...last trip was the factory tent rope and small fly stake bag abt 4"*3"....twice falling thru platforms floor boards onto the Gulf but reachable before heading off to Jamaica

a clear bag of LED material ?

sandwich bags are de rigueur....eg batts go in sandwich bags then into a small items bag.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/29/2014 11:43 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:48:53 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>> On 3/29/2014 7:08 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.cascadedesigns.com/sealline/urban/category
>>>
>>
>> Well, as long as we're OT:
>>
>> My wife and I have flatwater kayaks. I've longed for some sort of
>> analog to a bike's handlebar bag, a place in front of me that's easy
>> access, to store binoculars, bird books, sandwiches, etc. But something
>> that's waterproof, and that won't lose my gear if I capsize.
>>
>> Anything to recommend?
>
> The most common waterproof bag I see here is a sort of "fold the top
> over" over bag. See
> http://www.amazon.com/USMC-Military-SealLine-Sack-Waterproof/dp/B0036YSE9Q/ref=zg_bs_3414201_8
> A lot of people that anchor out use them to keep their stuff in while
> going back and forth in the dinghy.

I have a pretty large dry bag, probably about five gallon (20 L)
capacity. But I'm hoping for quicker access - as in, "Whoa, is that a
goshawk? Let me get my book out..." I'm envisioning something that's
rigid, with a hinged but sealed door. I'd be OK with bolting it to the
deck.

I'm a dilettante birder, not really serious. But one of my saddest
moments was when I flipped my kayak trying to get by under some fallen
trees. My bird book disappeared, never to be seen again. And when I
got home, I found that by mistake, I'd taken not the "disposable" copy,
but the copy that had my life list. Had it been in the box I envision,
I'd still have it.

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- Frank Krygowski

[Sir Ridesalot]

Military Ammo Boxes are great for that. Quick in or out, completely waterproof and usually quite inexpensive.

Cheers

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

go to 'paddlenet' reviews n look over the drybags designed for individual piece packing eg the bird book measures 6"*5*2 so buy a bag the book fits into....ad nauseum...then stuff those bags into a mesh bag or hang immediately wanted bags from the coming with 1/8th" shock cord n a clip....boring a hole thru the book or whatever n attaching a small diameter shock to inside the dry bag works


also DIY a vest over your pfd for hanging or clasping equipment....if the wx is cool.

learn the slap brace...prob at paddlenet. and 'hip sap' if your yak is plastic, learn on the lawn. Hip snapping is like counter steering.

the video for these activities are well covered at UTUBE...

one brace...I doahno the name....has the paddler lean out the capsized yak on the pfd...from there you can attack a solid paddle float and hip snap back up. Wet exit isn't mandatory.

We lost wading birds with Katrina n Wilma....fishing out....mosquito spraying...not many around. There's a great egret at Walartwith bright green eyeshadow. Likes hot dog chunks. The other birds give him room. When he moves the beak the dog chunk's is.

I lucked out at Goose Island State Park at Lamar TX/Rockport when tide was low low as I went out to work with the grackle flock. I was looking over the situation when a line of spoonbilss and whooping cranes came by single file also looking the flats over...abt 40-50' away...10 minutes worth.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/30/2014 2:40 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
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> Military Ammo Boxes are great for that. Quick in or out, completely waterproof and usually quite inexpensive.

That might do the trick. Thanks.


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- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/30/2014 3:48 PM, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
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> learn the slap brace...prob at paddlenet. and 'hip sap' if your yak is plastic, learn on the lawn. Hip snapping is like counter steering.

Yes, I've played around with those.

I've never flipped this boat any other time. The problem was, a tree
was down across the flatwater stream, leaving only one low, narrow and
tortuous path through the branches. I was leaning all the way forward
over the deck when I found I couldn't fit under the tree trunk. No room
to do anything at all with the paddle.

The stream was shallow, so I had no real problem except that my book
disappeared in the muddy water. If the ziplock plastic bag holds up,
someone in New Orleans may someday get a free book.

If you're down there, keep an eye out.

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- Frank Krygowski

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

Right. Read a story abt blackwater paddling. Strong current, cypress bottomland, gators. Experienced paddlers. One caught a root or branch n flipped over.

Cycling. Different surface, same dangers if not danger level..

'ceptin LA.

Read Sea Kayaker MORE DEEP TROUBLE

titanic !

[John B.]

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 10:58:08 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I assume something like an army "ammunition box, with a hinged cover,
rubber gasket, and big strong latch, to keep the cover closed...

maybe
http://www.amazon.com/MTM-Forest-Green-Caliber-Storage/dp/B003TNV46O
or
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1564294468/mtm-ammunition-can-plastic

Funny, "waterproof" used to be a definite term but now, from what I
read, it is a relative term ? Now we have "waterproof" defined as 1
minute immersion at 1 foot :-)
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Cheers,

John B.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

John B.

WATERPROOF used to mean you get what you pay for.

I have a $45 Red Ledge tiny hole ( fish eye) poly coated nylon windbreaker.

One of the first poly water proof breathable's at loooooooooooooooooooooooow cost

It is basically waterproof and when dry you can feel the space around your upper body breathing kinda a drafty jacket.

But when raining...you feel wet. Still dry but feeling wet.

[Frank Krygowski]

I don't think there's any technology that can make me feel really
comfortable when it's pouring rain. That's especially true when I'm
riding a bike. Or a motorcycle, come to think of it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

Unless it's cold, getting wet is uncomfortable but once
soaked, riding is OK IMHO. YMMV

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Sir Ridesalot]

The old adage in regards to bicycling inrain was wet and cold or wet and warm but wet either way.

The thing with getting wet even if it's just sweat due to exertion is that if the air temperature is cool you can get quite a chill unless you have good insulation.

I found that even Goretex failed to keep me dry if I started to sweat on a climb.

Cheers

[Duane]

Except for wet socks.

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duane

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

1 April, 1971

goretex hat

polyester

shop till you mop



http://goo.gl/AKSQ5o

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

socks. wet there's Campmor or NRS Neoprene booties. Could wear booties under thin wool socks

polyester socks are trick...I have some from Campmor but availability at low prices is ??? acrylic combinations are good but rare. I have acrylic and ??? polyester very comfy always warm but ahchoir odor need CHOH in the wash.

expensive socks but yawl need but 2-3 pair for the next 5 years.

dry there'$ Gore tex and poss Gore DIY

yawl in wet country go to Seattle Fabrics and Google Images for 'cape designs'

a shoulder cape of a waterproof breathable Seattle Fabrics material poss weighted at edges with polyester should fill the bill.

[Joy Beeson]

On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:52:35 +0000 (UTC), Duane <sp...@flarn.com>
wrote:

> Except for wet socks.

Wool doesn't feel nasty when wet, but to get real wool socks, you
pretty near have to knit your own.


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The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:04:41 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:52:35 +0000 (UTC), Duane <sp...@flarn.com>
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> wrote:
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> > Except for wet socks.
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> Wool doesn't feel nasty when wet, but to get real wool socks, you
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> pretty near have to knit your own.

ccccccccccccccccccc
Beeson missed THE GREAT CAMPMOR WOOL SOCK SALE ? bummer kiddo bummer.

CM sold 2 pair deeeeluxo wools in exp or hiker for $11

this was such a BIG DEAL campers were photos in magazines waving these socks at readers !!

Sim socks now selling 1 pair for $11 at at Campmor


but I retrun suggesting the Cape ( local noise suggests SHOT as weight) plus polyester

is a marketable product. in the style of>

http://goo.gl/P7N3aP

[Frank Krygowski]

On 3/31/2014 9:04 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:52:35 +0000 (UTC), Duane <sp...@flarn.com>
> wrote:
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>> Except for wet socks.
>
> Wool doesn't feel nasty when wet, but to get real wool socks, you
> pretty near have to knit your own.

I've read that it's better to have something like 15% nylon, that it
makes them last far longer, yet doesn't harm the goodness of wool. That
seems to work for me.

A friend knit me a pair of 100% wool. (I did pay her for them.) I use
them only for special occasions so they don't wear out.


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- Frank Krygowski

[Sir Ridesalot]

On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:04:41 PM UTC-4, Joy Beeson wrote:

Place in Tavistock, Ontario, Canada makes 100% Merino wool socks. I got some at the TSC sstore here in town.

Cheers

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

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https://www.google.com/#q=acrylic+socks&tbm=shop&tbs=p_ord:pd

https://www.google.com/#q=white+polyester+socks&tbm=shop&tbs=p_ord:pd


http://www.outdoorresearch.com/en/seattle-sombrero.html

[Duane]

Got a couple pair at MEC. I was thinking more of wet cotton socks. Mostly
when the rain stops and they start to dry.
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duane

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

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https://www.google.com/#q=campmor+acrylic+socks&tbm=shop


uh I been whinning abt this for years....riders post Ima freezing in Portland....and you reply ditch the cotton go polester/acrylic

then next year they post.....Ima freezing in Portland what do I do ?


then they disappear prob from newmonia

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

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check the weave mix on this sock....abt right for acrylic,,,,the sock was engineered.

http://goo.gl/kFqef2

a lotta hi end athletic sox are LIGHT in the CF mode for Mitty spenders light equals performance

on the other foot HEAVY means winter...

there's an inbetween in both poly and acrylic where a medium or expedition weight stays warm when wet...as you could go to sleep with wet socks n not sense discomfort.

[DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH]

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___11458?cm_vc=PDPZ2