Regina "Oro" freewheel-- what kind of removal tool needed, etc.?
Stan
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On my 29 y. o. Raleigh "SuperCourse" touring machine, I need a
new freewheel since my SunTour "Perfect" one is shot and
cannot be fixed (with new cogs). [SunTour stuff cannot be
found anywhere.]
Three concerns:
- I found a website where Regina "Oro" freewheels are
available but I wonder what kind of removal tool is needed.
Would a 2 notch SunTour removal tool work on the Regina or do
I need yet another freewheel removal tool? [This website also
offers a Bicycle Research freewheel remover for a 2 notch
Regina but I wonder if my SunTour 2 notch will work on this
Regina.]
- My rear hub is a 1983 Specialized sealed hub. Will the
Regina go on that hub? [I ask because I'm not so familiar with
all the changes made <over the last 15 years> in bicycle
components.]
- What's the width of the Regina "Oro" freewheel? [My old
SunTour was 25 mm but 2 months ago, before leaving on a long
trip, I tried a Shimano "XF" which was 27 mm, hit the hanger
attachment for my rear derailleur, and would not let the wheel
spin. I know I could get a longer axle, add a washer to each
side of the axle, and then use the Shimano "XF" but wonder
about the width of the Regina.] [My Raleigh's rear dropout
spacing is 120 mm.]
Thanks,
Stan
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Jobst Brandt
> - I found a website where Regina "Oro" freewheels are available but
> I wonder what kind of removal tool is needed. Would a 2 notch
> SunTour removal tool work on the Regina or do I need yet another
> freewheel removal tool? [This website also offers a Bicycle Research
> freewheel remover for a 2 notch Regina but I wonder if my SunTour 2
> notch will work on this Regina.]
No it won't fit and why would you want to use a 5-speed spaced
freewheel for which no sprockets are available. Some Oro freewheels
used two prong removers, others used spline removers.
> - What's the width of the Regina "Oro" freewheel? [My old
> SunTour was 25 mm but 2 months ago, before leaving on a long
> trip, I tried a Shimano "XF" which was 27 mm, hit the hanger
> attachment for my rear derailleur, and would not let the wheel
> spin. I know I could get a longer axle, add a washer to each
> side of the axle, and then use the Shimano "XF" but wonder
> about the width of the Regina.] [My Raleigh's rear dropout
> spacing is 120 mm.]
The last Oro freewheels had 6-speeds that requires 130 spacing. I
know only that SunTour 6-speed freewheels can be run with 120 spacing
but I don't know of any others.
Jobst Brandt <jbr...@hpl.hp.com>
Yuji Sakuma
If your Raleigh is a "touring machine", you might not want a Regina
Oro. The biggest inner sprocket I have seen is 24 tooth and most had an
inner of 21, 22, or 23 - the Oro was a racing block. Worse than that,
the two prong removal arrangement was one of the worst designs of all
time. Unless you are extremely careful, the removal tool will slip
causing the corners to round. If that happens, a common occurrence, the
only way to remove the freewheel is to disassemble it.
I believe you can use current model Sachs 6 speed freewheels by spacing
the axle and springing the rear end a bit to fit the wheel without
having to modify the frame.
Best regards,
Yuji Sakuma
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Stan wrote:
> [To contact me, drop the *your* and replace with ' my '.]
>
> On my 29 y. o. Raleigh "SuperCourse" touring machine, I need a
> new freewheel since my SunTour "Perfect" one is shot and
> cannot be fixed (with new cogs). [SunTour stuff cannot be
> found anywhere.]
>
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Stan
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On Mon, 11 Sep 00, Yuji Sakuma <sak...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Hello Yuji,
Thanks for your help.
>If your Raleigh is a "touring machine", you might not want a Regina
>Oro. The biggest inner sprocket I have seen is 24 tooth and most had an
>inner of 21, 22, or 23 - the Oro was a racing block.
Earlier today I called The 3rd Hand/Loose Screws in Ashland,
OR. A worker there told me about BicycleClassics.com so I
looked at their website. Since this company is going out of
business, they're getting rid of everything. In their online
catalog (earlier today, now gone), I found the listing for a
Regina "Oro" with the same teeth setup as my old, worn out
SunTour: 14 to 28 T in a 5 sprocket freewheel.
>Worse than that,
>the two prong removal arrangement was one of the worst designs of all
>time. Unless you are extremely careful, the removal tool will slip
>causing the corners to round. If that happens, a common occurrence, the
>only way to remove the freewheel is to disassemble it.
BicycleClassics.com also listed (earlier today) a Bicycle
Research freewheel remover for 2 notch Regina freewheels. The
online catalog entry said something about this removal tool
being designed better so that slipping - and damage - doesn't
occur as I know can happen and as you mention above.
[Incidentally, long ago, as my own bicycle mechanic, I did not
know the following trick in using a freewheel removal tool.
Some years ago I read somewhere that one should put the quick
release skewer back into the axle and turn it down so that it
holds - with some slight space allowed - the freewheel removal
tool in place in the notches or whatever kind of arrangement
is found in the freewheel. In this way, turning the wrench on
the tool will keep the tool in the freewheel. Perhaps this use
of the skewer will prevent slipping and damage for most
freewheels what with all the various removal tools that
exist-- I don't know.]
But just minutes ago I went again to BicycleClassics.com and
found that they're sort of closed 'til Tues. 26 Sept., the day
the online catalog will be back at their website. [There's
little info there now. They say they're far behind in all the
orders they're getting so they apparently had to drop
temporarily the info at their website.]
>I believe you can use current model Sachs 6 speed freewheels by spacing
>the axle and springing the rear end a bit to fit the wheel without
>having to modify the frame.
OK, thanks for this tip. I'll look into this Sachs 6 sprocket
freewheel spanning, for me, probably something again in the
range 14 to 28.
Thanks again Yuji,
Stan
A Muzi
Regina early models used a different 2-notch tool, and because the
notches are not inset, you should use ONLY the Campagnolo tool or the
Kingsbridge or the later Bicycle Research-all of which have an outer
ring to keep the tool from tearing the notches off.
Later Reginas used the Atom spline-Phil Wood makes the best tool for 'em
On some Shimano 5 freewheels of the '70s, there is an outer "guard" past
the last cog-I seem to remember it's removeable (?). Is that why you
experienced rubbing? Schwinn used them oem.
For threading, a British Regina will have an "I" (inglese) stamped on
the back of the body, a french one will be marked "F", an Italian thread
is unmarked. Although the Brit & Italian threads are not exactly the
same (55 vs 60 degree threads) I interchange them on Normandy hubs like
yours with no problems. Might think about it on Campagnolo hubs, with
tighter, sharper threads.. .
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Garrison Hilliard
wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 00:29:55 GMT, in rec.bicycles.tech you wrote:
>Earlier today I called The 3rd Hand/Loose Screws in Ashland,
>OR. A worker there told me about BicycleClassics.com so I
>looked at their website. Since this company is going out of
>business, they're getting rid of everything. In their online
>catalog (earlier today, now gone), I found the listing for a
>Regina "Oro" with the same teeth setup as my old, worn out
>SunTour: 14 to 28 T in a 5 sprocket freewheel.
>>> On my 29 y. o. Raleigh "SuperCourse" touring machine, I need a
>>> new freewheel since my SunTour "Perfect" one is shot and
>>> cannot be fixed (with new cogs). [SunTour stuff cannot be
>>> found anywhere.]
Say, I'll sell you a barely-used (less than 300 miles) genuine 5 speed
14-28 Suntour Winner freewheel for $10 (I have a bunch sitting
around), you pay postage. Ok?
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David L. Johnson
> Earlier today I called The 3rd Hand/Loose Screws in Ashland,
> OR. A worker there told me about BicycleClassics.com so I
> looked at their website. Since this company is going out of
> business, they're getting rid of everything. In their online
> catalog (earlier today, now gone), I found the listing for a
> Regina "Oro" with the same teeth setup as my old, worn out
> SunTour: 14 to 28 T in a 5 sprocket freewheel.
>
I am a little surprized they are available at all, much less in that kind of
size, but if it's really 5 speed it should fit.
> [Incidentally, long ago, as my own bicycle mechanic, I did not
> know the following trick in using a freewheel removal tool.
> Some years ago I read somewhere that one should put the quick
> release skewer back into the axle and turn it down so that it
> holds - with some slight space allowed - the freewheel removal
> tool in place in the notches or whatever kind of arrangement
> is found in the freewheel. In this way, turning the wrench on
> the tool will keep the tool in the freewheel. Perhaps this use
> of the skewer will prevent slipping and damage for most
> freewheels what with all the various removal tools that
> exist-- I don't know.]
That is what I always did. I used the standard tool, and never had a
problem. I once made the mistake of letting someone else work on the wheel,
and the freewheel came back in a bag. They couldn't pull the freewheel, but
then they probably hadn't done that, ever. Serves me right for not doing it
myself.
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jgm
and it works great.
Of course, I am still using friction shifters so there was no problems
with set up and it fit well on my 126mm spacing, without redishing. It
took a little of getting used to for shifting the closer spacing.
Regina has their own FW remover, the Park FR-4.
JM
jgm
This way, your FW tool will never slip again.
I do this every time I remove a FW from any hub.
Saves on tools and keeps the temper under control.
JM
Yuji Sakuma
This is standard practice when removing Regina two-prong freewheels. Don't
forget to use the quick-release mechanism without the spring for this.
Regards,
Yuji Sakuma
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Tom Kunich
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>
> The last Oro freewheels had 6-speeds that requires 130 spacing. I
> know only that SunTour 6-speed freewheels can be run with 120 spacing
> but I don't know of any others.
Close. Suntour made an "ultra" freewheel and a standard spacing freewheel.
The Ultra put 6 gears onto a 120 spacing with the same spacing between gears
as the later 7-speed standard. I think that I still have one of the 6-speed
Ultras around somewhere. Probably a 13-28.
John Thompson
>On my 29 y. o. Raleigh "SuperCourse" touring machine, I need a
>new freewheel since my SunTour "Perfect" one is shot and
>cannot be fixed (with new cogs). [SunTour stuff cannot be
>found anywhere.]
>- I found a website where Regina "Oro" freewheels are
>available but I wonder what kind of removal tool is needed.
>Would a 2 notch SunTour removal tool work on the Regina or do
>I need yet another freewheel removal tool? [This website also
>offers a Bicycle Research freewheel remover for a 2 notch
>Regina but I wonder if my SunTour 2 notch will work on this
>Regina.]
The SunTour two-notch remover will not work. The Bicycle
Research one should be fine, as would an *original* Dura-Ace
remover (from the 70's) or even the freewheel puller included in
the Campy tool kit, if your LBS has one.
-John (John.T...@attglobal.net)