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CX-Ray tension with the Park TM-1?

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Mike Reed

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Jan 22, 2008, 9:07:30 PM1/22/08
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I'm building my first set with bladed spokes. The TM-1 table says the
tool should read 13-14 for 100-110kgf (2.3mm x 0.9mm bladed). I've got
the front up to 10 now, but it's feeling pretty stiff already.

Should I keep going? My TM-1 has maintained accuracy on all my other
wheels, double-checked tonight on a 2-year old wheelset -- it reads
what I build it with.

jim beam

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Jan 22, 2008, 10:36:54 PM1/22/08
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hmmm.
1. do you trust the calibrated instrument, or
2. do you trust a gut feeling?

this is why tensiometers were invented - go ahead and continue
deployment until the job is done. it will give you reliable and
consistent results every time - unlike the other method. use the low
end of the spread if you're still worried.

Mike Reed

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Jan 22, 2008, 10:50:31 PM1/22/08
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lol, yeah, I finished the front off just above the bottom of the
spectrum. The rear I'm taking all the way up.

Tosspot

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Jan 23, 2008, 1:26:35 AM1/23/08
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Mike Reed wrote:
> I'm building my first set with bladed spokes. The TM-1 table says the
> tool should read 13-14 for 100-110kgf (2.3mm x 0.9mm bladed). I've got
> the front up to 10 now, but it's feeling pretty stiff already.

I had thought they were very stiff, I just kept going until the were in
limits and stoppped there.

Calvin Jones

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Jan 23, 2008, 12:51:47 PM1/23/08
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The CX-ray was used to calibrate the chart. The CX-ray does not
measure 2.3mm by our caliper, but 2.1. The 0.9 was rounded to 1mm.
Use the 2.1 x 1 column on the CX-ray. Again, that was the spoke we
used for that column.

Calvin Jones
Park Tool

jim beam

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Jan 23, 2008, 10:40:47 PM1/23/08
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Calvin Jones wrote:
> The CX-ray was used to calibrate the chart. The CX-ray does not
> measure 2.3mm by our caliper, but 2.1. The 0.9 was rounded to 1mm.
> Use the 2.1 x 1 column on the CX-ray. Again, that was the spoke we
> used for that column.
>
> Calvin Jones
> Park Tool

good post - great clarification.

D'ohBoy

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:15:51 AM1/24/08
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On Jan 23, 9:40 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> Calvin Jones wrote:
> > The CX-ray was used to calibrate the chart. The CX-ray does not
> > measure 2.3mm by our caliper, but 2.1. The 0.9 was rounded to 1mm.
> > Use the 2.1 x 1 column on the CX-ray. Again, that was the spoke we
> > used for that column.
>
> > Calvin Jones
> > Park Tool
>
> good post - great clarification.
>

Thanks for letting us know that you approve of the Park Tool rep's
clarification. I must say, that without your confirmation, I would
have ignored Calvin's post. But now, thanks to you, a whole new world
of tension measurement is open to me.

You are the final arbiter of truth!

D'ohBoy

Tom Sherman

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:33:03 PM1/24/08
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POTW!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

Ozark Bicycle

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:43:51 PM1/24/08
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On Jan 24, 9:15 am, "D'ohBoy" <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote to jim beam:


> You are the final arbiter of truth!

You're confusing jb with JB.( If you write that to Brandt, he'll get a
big cyber-woody.)

jim beam

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:31:47 PM1/24/08
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ok, you go ahead and show it to be bogus. buy the offending spoke,
measure, then calibrate your tensiometer using said spoke and the
requisite weights. share your results.

D'ohBoy

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:30:40 PM1/25/08
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Dear Jim,

Tsk, tsk, tsk! Your poor reading comprehension is showing. I was
commenting on the total lack of value in your attaboy to Calvin,
through the vehicle of sarcasm. For a primer on this rhetorical
device, I refer you to any number of Bill Sornson's posts, or many of
mine for that matter. What the author does is use hyperbole and irony
to highlight a point. Essentially, they say one thing but mean
another (!). It can be confusing, but the discerning reader will
detect it immediately and interpret it correctly.

BTW, I already accepted the info from the source. Your congratulatory
posting was meaningless, except to highlight your sense of self-
importance. Which was my point.

D'ohBoy, who received the same info from Park in a private e-mail
exchange a year and a half ago....


jim beam

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Jan 25, 2008, 7:04:15 PM1/25/08
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hardly - you were just being sarcastic.


>
> BTW, I already accepted the info from the source. Your congratulatory
> posting was meaningless, except to highlight your sense of self-
> importance. Which was my point.

no, you were being sarcastic. as was i. but i guess you missed that.


>
> D'ohBoy, who received the same info from Park in a private e-mail
> exchange a year and a half ago....

so wtf didn't you share??? better yet, confirm authenticity!!! jeepers.

Michael Press

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Jan 25, 2008, 9:40:40 PM1/25/08
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In article
<db266d6a-ec74-40bd...@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com>,
"D'ohBoy" <pete...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I found this page to be a great help.

<http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/howtobesarcastic/>

--
Michael Press

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