Beyond doping

[AMuzi]

Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !

https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Tom Kunich]

I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.

[Roger Meriman]

I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.

Roger Merriman

[Frank Krygowski]

Why don't you discuss what others actually say, instead of arguing
against what you pretend they say?

You are a coward.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

He should be ashamed of himself.

[John B.]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

This Trans-gender stuff is, well, sort of weird. "I feel like I'm a
"whatever" and thus I must be one?

If that is logical then why can't I become a millionaire just because
I feel like that is what I want to be (:-)

Or why can't Tommy be a famous scientist just because he wants to? Or
the Afro guy the famous author he so obviously craves to be?


--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

You do realize that the UCI rules ALLOW this and that he might have taken advantage of that in order to change the rules?

[John B.]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>>
>
>I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
>organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
>
>Roger Merriman

(:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
"because one feels one is"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

+1.
>

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

You're against Mumford being on the podium alone? You're right, I'm all for that.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

and a stupid one at that!

>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Medals for everyone!!!!!!

Seriously though, I've held the same position since we had a transgendered cyclist on the podium at the Art Longsjo Fitchburg stage race in 2001: it's an unfair advantage to go through puberty with naturally occurring male hormones. Make no mistake - I personally know the woman who made that podium. She currently manages the New England Velodrome. I completely sympathize with her issues surrounding her gender identity but at some point one has to make the point that her physiology was very specifically male during the formative years of her life. Hey, I'd love to compete at the highest level of the sport but my genetics simply don't allow that. Her genetics tried to make her male despite her wishes, and if current mores were more conservative (like russia, north korea, or floriduh), she would still be he, trying to deal with the emotional turmoil of a mind that claims feminine over a male physical manifestation. That fact alone creates an unfair advantage.

[John B.]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
female.

The fact that some like boys or some like girls is really immaterial
to what they are biologically.

Rather like Tommy dreaming that he is an electrical engineer, or the
Afro bloke imaginings that he is a famous author.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Sat, 20 May 2023 12:57:31 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

There's no problem with a male dressing and acting like a female, even
here in Florida, but the notion that everyone honor his fantasy and
allow him to be in female specific places and athletic events is on
its way out.

The fact that only a tiny percent of the "trans" issues involve
females pretending to be male, and virtually zero percent in athletic
events, is sufficient proof that males and females are physiologically
different enough to be segregated in most athletics.

[Catrike Rider]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"

<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

He is still a he, of course.

[Roger Meriman]

UCI is highly likely to join rugby and few other sport bodies in banning
transgender athletes. There is meeting in August in Glasgow.

The argument has essentially been won.

Roger Merriman

[Rolf Mantel]

Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
> female.

According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
functional reproductive organs.

[pH]

On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
and more apropos....

"We live in a world gone Mad."
-Stan Monteith


pH in Aptos

[AMuzi]

+1
The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."

[Tom Kunich]

In any case a Y chromosome gives that person a distinct physical advantage over people who have only X chromosomes. The entire muscle structure is changed even at birth to take advantage of testosterone when age begins its production. Pretending that the world isn't the way it is does not change reality.

[Tom Kunich]

You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.

[AMuzi]

On 5/20/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

Kleinfelter's.

[AMuzi]

On 5/20/2023 2:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>>
>>> A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>>> and more apropos....
>>>
>>> "We live in a world gone Mad."
>>> -Stan Monteith
>>>
>>>
>>> pH in Aptos
>>>
>> +1
>> The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."

> You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>

1970s through about 2010 Philadelphia and NYC radio.

[Catrike Rider]

On Sat, 20 May 2023 18:30:44 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
wrote:

+1

[John B.]

Sure, you can always find some word that can be interpreted more then
one way. Tom, for example, has stated that because of a childhood
disease he is unable to father children, thus, in a sense, he does not
have functional reproductive organs. By your definition he isn't a
male which is obviously ridiculous.

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Catrike Rider]

On Sun, 21 May 2023 05:55:44 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

There's been no question as to how to differentiate between men and
women for thousands of years...

[Tom Kunich]

"Klinefelter syndrome may adversely affect testicular growth, resulting in smaller than normal testicles, which can lead to lower production of testosterone. The syndrome may also cause reduced muscle mass, reduced body and facial hair, and enlarged breast tissue. The effects of Klinefelter syndrome vary, and not everyone has the same signs and symptoms." (Mayo Clinic)

[Tom Kunich]

If you get a hard-on looking at a man - you're queer.

[John B.]

On Sat, 20 May 2023 13:48:37 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>
>> A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>> and more apropos....
>>
>> "We live in a world gone Mad."
>> -Stan Monteith
>>
>>
>> pH in Aptos
>>
>+1
>The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."

From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
becoming more and more lawless. And certainly surveys of gun owners
seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
stated that they own a gun for protection.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Well, historically, you are correct but the U.S., in it's grandeur,
has decreed that , at least for passport identification, there are
three sexes - M, F and X.
https://www.state.gov/x-gender-marker-available-on-u-s-passports-starting-april-11/

Can you imagine the problems for foreign agencies. A Caucasian drowns
and is laying there naked on the autopsy table and the doctor writes,
on the report, Male, Caucasian, approximately 35 years old" and the
Thai authorities send the report off to all the "Caucasian" embassies
and the U.S. Embassy reports back, "Nope. Can't be our guy. Ours was
an "X""

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Cheers,

John B.

[pH]

I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.

pH

[Frank Krygowski]

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> becoming more and more lawless.

That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than reality.
Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime. Fear
sells advertisement.

> And certainly surveys of gun owners
> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
> stated that they own a gun for protection.

Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.

Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.

- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

He is. Running the company, also blogging.

- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>> becoming more and more lawless.
>
>That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than reality.
>Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime. Fear
>sells advertisement.

Crime is not dropping..

[John B.]

The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).

However all of the international news agencies are available on the
Internet.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:59:31 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> >> becoming more and more lawless.
> >
> >That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than reality.
> >Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime. Fear
> >sells advertisement.
> Crime is not dropping..

You really need to quit parroting what fox news tells you

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/10/31/violent-crime-is-a-key-midterm-voting-issue-but-what-does-the-data-say/

"Annual government surveys from the Bureau of Justice Statistics show no recent increase in the U.S. violent crime rate. In 2021, the most recent year with available data, there were 16.5 violent crimes for every 1,000 Americans ages 12 and older. That was statistically unchanged from the year before, below pre-pandemic levels and far below the rates recorded in the 1990s, according to the National Crime Victimization Survey."

[Catrike Rider]

On Sun, 21 May 2023 03:57:45 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:59:31?AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>> >> becoming more and more lawless.
>> >
>> >That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than reality.
>> >Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime. Fear
>> >sells advertisement.
>> Crime is not dropping..
>
>You really need to quit parroting what fox news