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zencycle

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Sep 2, 2010, 12:36:34 PM9/2/10
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About every six months or so for the past 5 years I've poked in to see
if the collective intelligence has gone up, and every time I'm
disappointed. At least previous to this the discussions were largely
based on disputes over bike technology, the aging Luddites constantly
excoriating those new-fangled carbon frames and factory built wheels.

Now, in a group that common sense implies should be promoting human
powered transportation, we have ignorant global warming deniers using
specious arguments, old and refuted data, gross misstatements, and
outright lies, compounded by the lowest for of argument - ad hominem
attacks.

Verifiable, repeatable, and falsifiable data are there to support
global warming, and it's not a stretch to say the deniers here (and
elswhere) are in no intellectual position to hold rational debates.

Here's a clue, you bloviating shitbags - start talking about bikes and
bike technology with a grain of civilty. Maybe then you'll actually
encourage participation from lucid and learned engineers, frame
builders, and experienced technicians.

Michael Press

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Sep 2, 2010, 7:58:47 PM9/2/10
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In article
<56fad02c-2128-4093...@m15g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
zencycle <zenc...@bikerider.com> wrote:

> About every six months or so for the past 5 years I've poked in to see
> if the collective intelligence

I stopped reading there. Good luck in your
search for collective intelligence.

--
Michael Press

Phil H

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Sep 2, 2010, 9:05:45 PM9/2/10
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You are trying to create an impression of intelligence by siding with
global warmers..... hmmm, at least you are consistent. Asking for a
grain of civility from folks you call bloviating shitbags. Yeah,
that'll work.

Phil H

Tom Sherman °_°

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Sep 2, 2010, 9:16:57 PM9/2/10
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Mainly one person who goes off the rails when everyone else does not
prostrate themselves before each word he writes.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Patrick Lamb

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Sep 2, 2010, 10:04:56 PM9/2/10
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On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:58:47 -0700, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

Anyone know what collective intelligence is? I remember a discussion
a (small) number of us had a while back, that postulated the
collective intelligence of a group was something like the average IQ
of those in the group divided by the square root of N, the number of
people in the group. If nothing else, it explained why so little work
gets done in large meetings.

Pat

Mark J.

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Sep 5, 2010, 5:03:21 PM9/5/10
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zencycle wrote:
[...]

> Here's a clue, you bloviating shitbags - start talking about bikes and
> bike technology with a grain of civilty.

That's a really precious sentence.

Mark J.

Rocket J Squirrel

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Sep 5, 2010, 6:48:33 PM9/5/10
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I liked it, too. Almost did a spit take when I read it.

But I think a colon would work better than the dash.

--
Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"

Andre Jute

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Sep 5, 2010, 8:01:52 PM9/5/10
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On Sep 5, 11:48 pm, Rocket J Squirrel

Hell, before I can analyze the fellow's grammar, first I gotta find
out what "bloviating" means. Initially I thought it was "bioviating",
which sound like something Fat Al does when before going on television
he has to diet on beans on a cut-down schelule of only five meals a
day, every dangerous to the ionosphere all that flatulence... -- AJ

andre...@aol.com

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Sep 5, 2010, 8:56:21 PM9/5/10
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For those with a tiny bit of common sense, using the web browser is an
overwhelmingly easy way to get the meaning of a word.

Bill Sornson

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Sep 5, 2010, 11:25:44 PM9/5/10
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"Rocket J Squirrel" <j.michae...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote in message
news:i616o1$k36$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

Can't fill a shitbag without a colon.

Bill "well, not without some difficulty" s.

Tim McNamara

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Sep 6, 2010, 12:35:41 AM9/6/10
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In article <i616o1$k36$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

zencycle seems to already have a fully functioning colon.

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That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.

Michael Press

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Sep 6, 2010, 4:33:47 AM9/6/10
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In article <i616o1$k36$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
Rocket J Squirrel <j.michae...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:

Yes, except he put in a hyphen. An en dash in ASCII is
coded with two hyphens. An em dash with three hyphens.
What we commonly call a dash is an em dash, which is
longer than the en dash. It is true that in that
sentence an em dash is what he was trying for.

--
Michael Press

Peter Cole

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Sep 6, 2010, 8:36:05 AM9/6/10
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Dude has a point, but including an off-topic rant (GW) and couching his
argument in rude language kind of undercuts the message. Sounds like the
current RBT is his kind of place.

Rocket J Squirrel

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Sep 6, 2010, 10:50:01 AM9/6/10
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I paused before writing "dash" originally, but decided to keep things
simple. Even if he explicitly put in an em dash, I still think that a
colon would have been a better choice. I could be wrong.

Rocket J Squirrel

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Sep 6, 2010, 10:53:59 AM9/6/10
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On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:36:05 -0400, Peter Cole wrote:

> On 9/2/2010 9:16 PM, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>> On 9/2/2010 11:36 AM, zencycle who? wrote:

[snip]


>>> Here's a clue, you bloviating shitbags - start talking about bikes and
>>> bike technology with a grain of civilty. Maybe then you'll actually
>>> encourage participation from lucid and learned engineers, frame
>>> builders, and experienced technicians.
>>
>> Mainly one person who goes off the rails when everyone else does not
>> prostrate themselves before each word he writes.
>>
>>
> Dude has a point, but including an off-topic rant (GW) and couching his
> argument in rude language kind of undercuts the message. Sounds like the
> current RBT is his kind of place.

LOL. Best post of the week.

Michael Press

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Sep 6, 2010, 2:37:48 PM9/6/10
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In article <i62v2p$iml$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Rocket J Squirrel <j.michae...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 01:33:47 -0700, Michael Press wrote:
>
> > In article <i616o1$k36$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Rocket J Squirrel <j.michae...@GOLLYgmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:03:21 -0700, Mark J. wrote:
> >>
> >> > zencycle wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >> >> Here's a clue, you bloviating shitbags - start talking about bikes
> >> >> and bike technology with a grain of civilty.
> >> >
> >> > That's a really precious sentence.
> >> >
> >> > Mark J.
> >>
> >>
> >> I liked it, too. Almost did a spit take when I read it.
> >>
> >> But I think a colon would work better than the dash.
> >
> > Yes, except he put in a hyphen. An en dash in ASCII is coded with two
> > hyphens. An em dash with three hyphens. What we commonly call a dash is
> > an em dash, which is longer than the en dash. It is true that in that
> > sentence an em dash is what he was trying for.
>
> I paused before writing "dash" originally, but decided to keep things
> simple. Even if he explicitly put in an em dash, I still think that a
> colon would have been a better choice. I could be wrong.

Agree that a colon works better; and should have said so.

--
Michael Press

Rocket J Squirrel

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Sep 6, 2010, 6:36:52 PM9/6/10
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Nah. You should have nailed me for being a punctuation weenie.

zencycle

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Sep 8, 2010, 9:31:10 AM9/8/10
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On Sep 2, 9:05 pm, Phil H <pholma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You are trying to create an impression of intelligence by siding with
> global warmers

Don't conflate impressions with vetted facts - it only makes you look
more stupid. The anti-warming side has little more support than a few
disgruntled scientists whose grant requests were denied and a few
politically motivated scumbags.

While the rabid GW proponents claims of human effect on GW are at
worst wildly over-stated, at least they have a reasonable basis for
their claims. Your side has as much evidence as a person standing on
the beach as the tide is coming in, and claiming it isn't because the
receding waves leave his feet exposed.

>..... hmmm, at least you are consistent. Asking for a
> grain of civility from folks you call bloviating shitbags. Yeah,
> that'll work.

Seems to be the prevailing tone of discussion here - just bringing it
to a level shitbags like you understand.

Phil H

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Sep 19, 2010, 8:12:23 PM9/19/10
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"Your side has as much evidence"............my side? My side says the
sun will turn into a red giant and we'll all be crispy critters. What
your side salivates over is the oscillating hysteresis of the many
variables at work.
Phil H

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