You're right, I don't understand what a "commandment against copper and silicon" is or how you "can weight".
> To someone absolutely ignorant about science and engineering it doesn't even pass through your
> head that industry progresses from one advancement to another. That you CANNOT leave out any
> intermediate steps because they are what leads to the others. You think that this was pollution
> when it was the cleanest form of getting the materials at the time. That the science of chemistry
> was no better than that.
It's a good thing I'm not ignorant about science or chemistry then, but then again I _am_ discussing such things with someone who thinks aluminum oxide is flammable, so I guess ignorance depends on your perspective.
> I was born in the mid-40's before the wars were won. I have seen science progress at the speed of
> light because of those wars. But at the same time I saw England with entire swaths laying in ruins
> that took more than 30 years to rebuild. Advancement on one front generally means that a lot of
> effort is put there which means that a lot of effort is denied other areas of human endeavor.
> Intelligence to accomplish things are not spread equally among Homo Sapiens and there will
> ALWAYS be inequality. There will be people crying that they don't have enough simply because
> they cannot accomplish enough. That is the plight of ALL animals. If a fox is too stupid to catch
> a rabbit, he starves or learns how to catch a rabbit. All of the charity in the universe cannot change reality.
> Homo Erectus no matter WHAT some dopey archeologist has to say about it, didn't have the intellectual
> ability to understand fire. How to start it and probably not how to maintain a fire that had been lit by some
> natural means. THERE ARE DAMN FEW PEOPLE on a planet of 3 trillion Homo Sapiens that can start a fire from scratch.
Feeble and mindless rant attempting to distract duly noted
> But YOU can find some stupid opinion piece that claims that there is pollution at a copper mine operated before the war.
>That a flock of geese (HELL MAYBE MILLIONS OF GEESE that never actually existed) were killed by pollution. Grow the fuck up.
"You're entitled to your own opinion, you're not entitled to your own facts" - Daniel Patrick Moynihan
lol...no, sparky, it wasn't an opinion piece. It was a factual event, widely reported, and even more widely studied. Besides that, the mine was in operation from 1955 and 1982. So unless you're talking about the war in afghanistan, you're wrong about that too.
Here are a couple of white papers researching the chemistry and the environmental impacts of the lake, but just do a google search on "berkely pit mine" :
"Quality levels till 2012 are:
- up to 122 meters: pH=2,57, C(Fe)=0,5g/l, C(Cu)=0,07g/l;
- lower than 122 meters: pH=2,37, C(Fe)=0,9g/l, C(Cu)=0,14g/l."
"A review of aerial photographs collected by drone and manned aircraft flights, including the cumulative number of dead birds collected prior to the imagery flights show that more than 2,900 waterfowl did not
respond to the hazing, remained in the Pit, and ultimately died as detailed in the Berkeley Mine Pit Snow Goose Assessment (USFWS, 2016) and Berkeley Pit – November 28, 2016 Event, Waterfowl Count Technical memo (Arcadis, 2017b)."
Here's a few more links:
"Nearly a year after at least 3,000 snow geese died in the toxic waters of a former open pit copper mine, the Environmental Protection Agency says it hasn't decided yet whether to fine the companies responsible for the site."
"In late November, a flock of migrating snow geese landed in a lake in Butte, Montana. Soon, they began to die. Because what they landed in was the Berkeley Pit, a Superfund site filled with acidic and metal-laden toxic waste from copper mining. The lake was “white with birds;” thousands died. Weeks later, as the story has gone viral, officials are still counting."
"A former copper mine in Montana has been flooding with toxic groundwater since the 1980s.
The water is so toxic that any birds that land on the lake get cooked from the inside out."
"One of the chief concerns is that the pit water level will eventually reach the level of the natural water table. The former mine could then pollute nearby Silver Bow Creek and the headwaters of the Clark Fork River. Projections show that could happen by about 2020."
Thanks for the good laugh sparky. This forum will miss your lunacy when you're gone.