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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 8:53:09 PM4/15/12
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Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
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ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
weak. Is everybody willing participant?
Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
opinion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_NightoftheLivingDead.jpg
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Sir Ridesalot
Apr 15, 2012, 10:03:11 PM4/15/12
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On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
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> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles. That is
because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
behaviour of the vehicles sharing it such as which traffic shall
travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
direction wise. On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
varying degrees of mobility and awareness. If a bicyclist does elect
to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
who steps out of a doorway. There have been deaths of pedestrians who
were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
Cheers
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
>
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>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles. That is
because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
behaviour of the vehicles sharing it such as which traffic shall
travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
direction wise. On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
varying degrees of mobility and awareness. If a bicyclist does elect
to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
who steps out of a doorway. There have been deaths of pedestrians who
were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
Cheers
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 15, 2012, 10:46:45 PM4/15/12
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in the death of the cyclist. We share similar mass whereas a vehicle
represents overwhelming mass. I often say I'm a "pedestrian on wheels"
but I know I don't belong there. Actually I'd support legislation that
bans us on sidewalks.
datakoll
Apr 15, 2012, 11:53:30 PM4/15/12
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there IS, esp in FLA, a pedestrian hierarchy:
to be brief
cripples
old folk
cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
empty sidewalks..
in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
this is direct from dah horses mouth on when or when not to sidewalk.
DO NOT SIDEWALK IN ARTY COMMERCIAL AREAS INHABITED by all olf the above.
walk the bike. meat people.
to be brief
cripples
old folk
cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
empty sidewalks..
in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
this is direct from dah horses mouth on when or when not to sidewalk.
DO NOT SIDEWALK IN ARTY COMMERCIAL AREAS INHABITED by all olf the above.
walk the bike. meat people.
Dan O
Apr 16, 2012, 12:23:43 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
That's alarming. Unless by "near misses" you mean "passed in close
> On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
something really wrong there.
> > Today I almost
> > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
> > Elderly people really
> > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
elders.
> > Couples
> > blocking my way patiently step aside.
blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
anything.
> > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
going to scowl at you no matter what.
> > Cars, on the other
> > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > in a bubble.
prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
have to watch out for yourself.
> > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > opinion.
>
> >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
>
> Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
>
> Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
option for the bicyclist.
> That is
> because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
pedestrians on sidewalks here.
> ... such as which traffic shall
> travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> direction wise.
Thank you. I was quite flabbergasted to find myself trying to
> rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> direction wise.
convince people of this fact here before.
> On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
and courtesy.
> If a bicyclist does elect
> to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> who steps out of a doorway.
bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
any flak from the street.
> There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
(I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
people falling out of bed, too.)
datakoll
Apr 16, 2012, 12:09:00 AM4/16/12
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yeah local noise reminds the do not disturb hierarchy engages the ORD
uh ORD 642 614? are posted on plaques afixed to eg supermarket columns holding the roof up outside the entrance.
sez :
ORD 614
SKATEBOARDING NOT
ordinarily no one including the horse gives a RA
but if you trip an old folk and they're injured, riding a sidewalk bike or board you are in deep via ORD 614
uh ORD 642 614? are posted on plaques afixed to eg supermarket columns holding the roof up outside the entrance.
sez :
ORD 614
SKATEBOARDING NOT
ordinarily no one including the horse gives a RA
but if you trip an old folk and they're injured, riding a sidewalk bike or board you are in deep via ORD 614
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:20:05 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 15, 11:53 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> there IS, esp in FLA, a pedestrian hierarchy:
>
> to be brief
>
> cripples
> old folk
> cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
> people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
> children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
>
> empty sidewalks..
> in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
You may lay claim to abandoned sidewalks and say they are yours now.
> there IS, esp in FLA, a pedestrian hierarchy:
>
> to be brief
>
> cripples
> old folk
> cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
> people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
> children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
>
> empty sidewalks..
> in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
Nobody in Miami walks. But some people do walk around where I ride. It
must be another test for my wisdom.
Broken sidewalks remain broken because nobody uses them. The distances
and the heat are not friendly either. The wise man rides a bike.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:38:09 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 12:23 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> That's alarming. Unless by "near misses" you mean "passed in close
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
Narrow sidewalks make them mean the same. I don't want to ring the
> On Apr 15, 7:03 pm, Sir Ridesalot <i_am_cycle_pat...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 15, 8:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > > ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > > sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > > that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > > with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing.
>
> That's alarming. Unless by "near misses" you mean "passed in close
> proximity" (which is not necessarily a problem if everybody involved
> is situationally aware, in control, and exercising due care),
> something really wrong there.
bell every time I pass a pedestrian and any involuntary movement is a
near miss.
>
> > > Today I almost
> > > hit a child that must have been daydreaming.
>
> People daydream - kids especially. Anticipate it.
>
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> You really shouldn't even be thinking of the relative fragility on
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
But they never say, "Hey, these cyclists deserve their own space so I
> > > Elderly people really
> > > worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone.
>
> You really shouldn't even be thinking of the relative fragility on
> impact of your potential victims. However, ederly people can warrant
> some extra care since there are considerations such as alertness,
> response time, agility, etc. - not to mention general respect for your
> elders.
can have my own," and make noise with the local government. The other
day I reported to Target that they needed a pedestrian crossing for
people getting off the bus, and they told me that the seniors had to
make noise about it --and they haven't.
>
> > > Couples
> > > blocking my way patiently step aside.
>
> It is nice to see mutual cooperation and sharing the path, but it
> blows me away how many people are loath to go single file for
> anything.
>
> > > Some give me a dirty look. I
> > > wished they understood I don't want to be there.
>
> Deference and pleasant courtesy go a long way, but some people are
> going to scowl at you no matter what.
>
> > > Cars, on the other
> > > hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > > in a bubble.
>
> I think that's probably illegal, but as you say, the law of the jungle
> prevails (or, as I say, the laws of physics trump), and ultimately you
> have to watch out for yourself.
the weakest members, mainly the senior citizens who walk on sidewalks.
They don't want us on the road, so we take refuge on the sidewalk.
>
> > > We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > > weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there an option not to?
of our elected officials doesn't walk out there.
>
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
> It's all out there.
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
Except at every driveway and intersection. Cars are still a problem.
>
>
> > > Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > > walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > > opinion.
>
> It's all out there.
>
> > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
>
> > Most pedestrains do *NOT* expect to encounter a bicycle that is moving
> > at any rate of speed on a sidewalk. Therefore those pedestrains are
> > not on the lookout for such a vehicle. As far as i am concerned a
> > bicycle being ridden at speed on a sidewalk with pedestrians also
> > using that sidewalk is even worse than the discrepency between law
> > abiding bicyclists sharing the same road with motor vehicles.
>
> I agree. Sidewalks belong to pedestrians, but here in the legal
> jurisdiction where I live and ride, bikes are allowed on sidewalks,
> except where specifically prohibited, which is usually downtown areas
> where pedestrian traffic is greatest. In most other areas there is
> almost never any pedestrian traffic, and sidewalks can be a good
> option for the bicyclist.
>
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> > behaviour of the vehicles sharing it...
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
Rule #1: "TRY NOT HIT THEM!"
> > That is
> > because at leaast on the road there are rules and laws governing the
> > behaviour of the vehicles sharing it...
>
> There are rules and laws governing bikes and their interaction with
> pedestrians on sidewalks here.
>
> > ... such as which traffic shall
> > travel in which direction and when whereas on the sidewalk there is no
> > rule such as having one side of the walkway for westbound traffic and
> > the curbside for eastbound traffic or however the sidewalk is oriented
> > direction wise.
>
> Thank you. I was quite flabbergasted to find myself trying to
> convince people of this fact here before.
>
> > On the sidewalk you have such a mix of people of
> > varying degrees of mobility and awareness.
>
> Situational awareness, perceptive consideration, due care, deference
> and courtesy.
people. ;)
>
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Actually, bicyclists should probably be walking their
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
>
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> That is so sad - and so unnecessary.
It's mystery why it keeps happening.
> > If a bicyclist does elect
> > to ride on the sidewalk I think that bicyclist should ride as close
> > to the curb as is practcable so that they do not strike a pedestrian
> > who steps out of a doorway.
>
> Oh, absolutely. Actually, bicyclists should probably be walking their
> bike anywhere there are doorways opening onto the sidewalk. That
> nearer the curb thing is good courtesy, too - unless the other person
> obviously wants that line. Nearer the street means you can bail off
> the sidewalk, and it's where the gentleman is supposed to be to catch
> any flak from the street.
>
> > There have been deaths of pedestrians who
> > were killed when struck by a bicyclist moving at speed on a sidewalk.
> > The very young and the elderly and the handicapped are most at risk.
>
> That is so sad - and so unnecessary.
>
> (I understand from Frank's "data" that there have been deaths of
> people falling out of bed, too.)
Ronko
Apr 16, 2012, 1:49:10 AM4/16/12
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In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
56a7c7...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
nolionn...@yahoo.com says...
In some cities in California, such as Berkeley, there are notices posted on
some busy downtown sidewalks that bikes must be walked. This is merely
common sense. Regardless of local or state law, pedestrians in my mind
have the right-of-way and should be given courtesy when riding a bike on a
sidewalk. That's the way I approach it when I ride on a sidewalk, yeild to
all.
56a7c7...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
nolionn...@yahoo.com says...
some busy downtown sidewalks that bikes must be walked. This is merely
common sense. Regardless of local or state law, pedestrians in my mind
have the right-of-way and should be given courtesy when riding a bike on a
sidewalk. That's the way I approach it when I ride on a sidewalk, yeild to
all.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 2:15:56 AM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 1:49 am, Ronko <ronkreu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
> 56a7c7d99...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com says...
I don't like to yield to dogs, who are usually on a long leash. Around
here there's a wealthy community that banned bicycles even though
nobody is on sidewalk. But they walk dogs and that's not very nice, I
think. Dogs shouldn't be on sidewalks.
> In article <4c3671a6-6eee-450b-a3b1-
> 56a7c7d99...@s7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com says...
here there's a wealthy community that banned bicycles even though
nobody is on sidewalk. But they walk dogs and that's not very nice, I
think. Dogs shouldn't be on sidewalks.
datakoll
Apr 16, 2012, 11:06:58 AM4/16/12
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Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
Number of areas I know from childhood 50 years ago as tropical,paradises are now appproachable only in my Styer-Puch.
If you motor over to the west coast eg Fort Myers/Sarasota et al you'll find NEW CODE where the state mandated DO THIS or donnah get any road money.
Planning is done not by profit motive but traffic flow enginneering based on what will happen futurewise as traffic increases.
That spec as with ecological protection increased profit more than squeezing 100 people into a space meant for 25 people.
Have yawl been over to Tampa St Pete ? Bike wise far more supoportive than Miamuh. Not Sarasota but OK.
EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
Number of areas I know from childhood 50 years ago as tropical,paradises are now appproachable only in my Styer-Puch.
If you motor over to the west coast eg Fort Myers/Sarasota et al you'll find NEW CODE where the state mandated DO THIS or donnah get any road money.
Planning is done not by profit motive but traffic flow enginneering based on what will happen futurewise as traffic increases.
That spec as with ecological protection increased profit more than squeezing 100 people into a space meant for 25 people.
Have yawl been over to Tampa St Pete ? Bike wise far more supoportive than Miamuh. Not Sarasota but OK.
datakoll
Apr 16, 2012, 11:11:11 AM4/16/12
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For example,there's an ox cart village out near Gulfstream NOT the tree lined streets of rural Ohio.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 12:33:35 PM4/16/12
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People come to make money or to launder money. Now gated communities
and trucks are a sign of status. Practical cyclists are mere monkeys.
It's also the poorest city in America. Extremes abound. My wisdom of
happiness is totally foreign here.
But I don't think we stand alone in America. L.A. and other cities
have great contradictions as well.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 1:02:42 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 11:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
But good PR is part of the game:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
>
> Disregarding for the moment necessity for carrying an automatic weapon, Miamuh codes are based on profit not utility giving some really wierd building areas once inhab by retirees now slums.
http://www.decobike.com/
Girls in bikini, hot weather and bicycles make good PR, but reality is
different. Maybe the tourists don't try to make sense out of it, or
maybe they'll never come back. It can be heaven, it can be hell. Maybe
"safari on bike" could be a tourist attraction. Animals abound and
they are loose.
Next door is Ft Lauderdale which is has the dubious record of most
pedestrians killed in the nation. Florida itself is a land of great
danger for pedestrians, but they are not as notoriously popular as
Zimmerman and Martin. This kid never had a chance:
"Christopher Cepeda was only fourteen years old when he and four of
his friends were walking home after playing basketball. He was killed
while crossing U.S. 27, a major four-lane highway with a wide grassy
median and a posted speed limit of 65 miles per hour. As Mr. Cepeda
and his friends waited in the median to cross the road, Denise
Sottilaro suddenly changed lanes and, although she claimed to have hit
her brakes, slammed into the boy. He later died from the injuries."
The boy is said to have been texting, but I don't see that weakens the
case against the driver. Why is she changing lane while pedestrians
are around?
Moral of the story:
"Lastly, this case wrongful death case, again, also highlights the
dangers of texting while driving or crossing the road, and we urge
everyone to simply put their smart phones away until they are safely
able to focus on what they are doing."
http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-called-to.html
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 16, 2012, 10:27:22 PM4/16/12
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On Apr 16, 3:27 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> I ride my adult trike on the sidewalks in my neighborhood and I always
> give way to a pedestrian or a dog. I stop and allow them to get by
> me. I am not interested in speed -- I ride slowly. I am no danger to
> anyone. Sometimes a pedestrian steps out of the way before I can
> stop -- I say thank you. I am very old -- age 82 and people can see
> that. Many are interested in my adult trike and ask me questions
> about it. It has an electric motor. There are sloping curbs on the
> sidewalks at intersections -- bikers ride on the sidewalks in my
> area and I have never seen one speeding. Lots of people walk their
> dogs on the sidewalks and I have no problem with that. Live and let
> live and get along with others by courtesy and not making judgments.
> Works out well for me.
On a trike you can be much slower without falling off and you don't
mind waiting for pedestrians and dogs. You become a true "pedestrian
on wheels." Time for me to go back to it and let the world fall apart.
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 23:16:43 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> give way to a pedestrian or a dog. I stop and allow them to get by
> me. I am not interested in speed -- I ride slowly. I am no danger to
> anyone. Sometimes a pedestrian steps out of the way before I can
> stop -- I say thank you. I am very old -- age 82 and people can see
> that. Many are interested in my adult trike and ask me questions
> about it. It has an electric motor. There are sloping curbs on the
> sidewalks at intersections -- bikers ride on the sidewalks in my
> area and I have never seen one speeding. Lots of people walk their
> dogs on the sidewalks and I have no problem with that. Live and let
> live and get along with others by courtesy and not making judgments.
> Works out well for me.
On a trike you can be much slower without falling off and you don't
mind waiting for pedestrians and dogs. You become a true "pedestrian
on wheels." Time for me to go back to it and let the world fall apart.
datakoll
Apr 16, 2012, 11:57:24 PM4/16/12
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LA and Miamuh suffer from antiquo zoning, street designs. Fort Myers/Fort Myers Beach, Bpnita, Cape Coral, North Ft Myers are superb suburban riding. Take a look at the map.
With two bridges across the river, I would loop out to NFM/CC/FM/Sanibel and back to FMB. 50+ milers no traffic, smooth pavement.
Boring some would say but its pedal ahead ride ride ride. No stress.
Planning. The burbs were laid out in planning, State required BLVD with MEDIAN.
When I first visited in 1973 ? Sanibel was a jungle. Now there's no building space left unbuilt.
Nice. Miami is chaos.
Both LA and Miami boast the highest poverty levels. LA has the Chineses goods port with Chinese warehousing stretching down to San Clemente brainwise, warehousing north to Santa Clarita-AAA Burb thru Castroville to the Grand canyon. Awesome. LA is vast.
One prob riding on the coast is quake split roads. Deep seams, many parallel to
travel directions.
I don't know where riding goes on in town....I'm outside or thru.
Outside of town, riding is primo everywhere if not always graced with wide side pavements. North and south of San Fransisco down to Leibermansville is AAA with the TdC running over that terrain.
Northern Cal is wondrous almost fairyland.
bring money
With two bridges across the river, I would loop out to NFM/CC/FM/Sanibel and back to FMB. 50+ milers no traffic, smooth pavement.
Boring some would say but its pedal ahead ride ride ride. No stress.
Planning. The burbs were laid out in planning, State required BLVD with MEDIAN.
When I first visited in 1973 ? Sanibel was a jungle. Now there's no building space left unbuilt.
Nice. Miami is chaos.
Both LA and Miami boast the highest poverty levels. LA has the Chineses goods port with Chinese warehousing stretching down to San Clemente brainwise, warehousing north to Santa Clarita-AAA Burb thru Castroville to the Grand canyon. Awesome. LA is vast.
One prob riding on the coast is quake split roads. Deep seams, many parallel to
travel directions.
I don't know where riding goes on in town....I'm outside or thru.
Outside of town, riding is primo everywhere if not always graced with wide side pavements. North and south of San Fransisco down to Leibermansville is AAA with the TdC running over that terrain.
Northern Cal is wondrous almost fairyland.
bring money
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 9:32:32 AM4/17/12
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it all, huh? ;)
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 17, 2012, 9:32:44 AM4/17/12
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On Apr 16, 1:06 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:25 am, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > Man,
>
> > > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > > falls out.
>
> > We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
>
> You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
>
> But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
> http://www.floridainjurylawyer-blog.com/2012/02/police-are-usually-ca...
I don't expect people to make these connections, but Zimmerman had a
weapon but not a license to kill, and drivers, well cars are a weapon
and they got a license to kill.
Remember, everything is connected in the jungle, but it takes a Wise
Man to find those connections. Drive responsibly.
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:25 am, Conscience <obama...@fraud.gov> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2012-04-15 22:02:43 -0700, little turtle <@stream.il> said:
>
> > > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > >> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > >> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > >> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > >> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > >> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > >> opinion.
>
> > >>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> > > On 4/15/2012 9:00 PM, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > >> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> > >> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> > >> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> > >> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> > >> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> > >> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> > >> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> > >> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> > >> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> > >> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> > >> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> > >> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> > >> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> > >> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> > >> opinion.
>
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> > Man,
>
> > > I don't know what you are smoking but I'd give it up before your brain
> > > falls out.
>
> > We certainly know who has the issue here. Darwinism will eventually win-out.
>
> You are wrong. The worms eventually win over the best predators.
>
> But can we learn our lessons or can we blame it all on Darwinism?
I don't expect people to make these connections, but Zimmerman had a
weapon but not a license to kill, and drivers, well cars are a weapon
and they got a license to kill.
Remember, everything is connected in the jungle, but it takes a Wise
Man to find those connections. Drive responsibly.
datakoll
Apr 17, 2012, 9:53:49 AM4/17/12
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to get a visual gripon this, take a google earth at 887/884 out of Page Field thru Cape Coral...the north side is a seperate bike lane.
there's an 23 ? mile bike lane from Ft Myers to Captiva thru Sanibel and free routing out to Lehigh Acres and uh a long loop on the Caloosahatchee's north side out to the Orange River and back
or take the Caloosa route to Lake Oke, go for a loop on the dike then head down to Key West on the Overseas Highway. .
there's an 23 ? mile bike lane from Ft Myers to Captiva thru Sanibel and free routing out to Lehigh Acres and uh a long loop on the Caloosahatchee's north side out to the Orange River and back
or take the Caloosa route to Lake Oke, go for a loop on the dike then head down to Key West on the Overseas Highway. .
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 19, 2012, 9:49:34 AM4/19/12
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Incidents from the wild side while riding bike on sidewalk:
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
My girlfriend almost hit two cyclists while driving out of this blind
driveway, but they were riding fast, against traffic. Stupidity of the
system that forces people to ride in this area is to blame. We must
ride there all the time.
I was riding on sidewalk, but car was blocking sidewalk and I rode
momentarily on the road. Driver of little Toyota blasts the horn
unconcerned about my predicament. I don't know why idiots choose
Toyotas.
My favorite: Lady coming out of Christian school with kid blocks
sidewalk unconcerned about me waiting for her to move. It must have
being like 3 minutes and she didn't make an effort to apologize. Am I
a monkey? Where's her Christian faith?
When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk? Some
of us are selfish predators that deserve punishment, but the system
puts us in direct conflict. WE SHOULD NOT RIDE ON SIDEWALK.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 22, 2012, 2:21:12 PM4/22/12
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On Apr 19, 10:13 am, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:55:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 17, 1:26 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 17, 12:04 am, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:26:04 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >> >> It has been so many years since I rode a two wheeler I had forgotten
> >> >> that you had to keep moving while on a three wheel trike you can slow
> >> >> to a crawl. And if you stop you need not get off.
>
> >> >> Last time I owned a two wheel bike I lived in New York City and lived
> >> >> close to Central Park, and then later in Brooklyn lived close to a
> >> >> large park there. So I could ride on bike paths.
>
> >> >> Now that I am age 82 a three wheel trike is much safer for me. I do
> >> >> have spinal stenosis that makes walking much painful. On the trike
> >> >> one bends forward and no pain. Without the trike I would not be able
> >> >> to get much exercise. I love my trike. I am not in a hurry to get
> >> >> anyplace. Luckily there are places to chain it at groceries stores,
> >> >> the library, etc. Sometimes when there are no bike racks a palm
> >> >> tree trunk works well. Palm trees are a dime a dozen in my area
> >> >> of San Diego which is called Pacific Beach.
>
> >> >Maybe I should check out that area. ;)
>
> >> Well, it is Southern California and nice weather for bike riding.
> >> There are bike paths along the ocean. If you leave the Pacific
> >> Beach area, however, you run into the freeways which surround
> >> the neighborhood on 3 sides with the ocean on the 4th side.
> >> I do not ride in traffic. Bikers who do are hit by cars -- not an
> >> uncommon occurence.
>
> >> >What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
>
> >> The bike itself is not an electric trike -- it is a Tristar
> >> and only one speed but that doesn't matter since I
> >> had an electric motor put on it. There is a guy who
> >> specializes in converting bikes to electric. He does a fine
> >> job and if there are any problems comes and gets the trike
> >> and fixes them.
>
> >> The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
> >> groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
>
> >Thank you, Rita. It sounds like Paradise to me, but do you have a long
> >path by the beach?
>
> Yes, there is a paved path for a couple of miles along the ocean in
> my area. There is a map you can get of how bike paths connect
> throughout the city. You may have to ride on streets for a
> distance to get from one bike path to another. And sometimes
> it is quite roundabout to avoid the freeways. I ride only in my
> own area where I don't have to get out on any streets. Younger
> riders than me don't mind getting into some traffic. I avoid it.
>
> Here is a photo of a bike path along the ocean close to my home:
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/PacificBeach...
It sounds like you can have space for a slow bike or trike, but you
would run into trouble elsewhere.
Just coming here now. I'm walking my slow bike across the street and
the lady driver is blocking my path and looking the other way. If I
take take a step in front of her, I'm taking a gamble. So I knock on
her hood to make sure she sees me and proceed. Then she calls me back,
"Sir, why you do that?" I go, "Well see, I only got this one life and
I want to make sure you see me. You want to call the police?" The
argument goes back and forth and she says as partying shot, "Well, I
hope you have a nice day, sir." The irony is that I need it with
drivers like hers.
We have many problems presented in the above paragraph:
1- Drivers are routinely blocking pedestrian crossings,
2- They are incapable of being polite and saying "sorry,"
3- They are looking for trouble.
But I'm not looking for trouble. I'm trying to have to a nice day with
my new chihuahua. His name is Tequila.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfL9MSwPQaA/TB80vV7gFaI/AAAAAAAAAY0/bN2b7Lqv568/s1600/chihuahua.JPG
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:55:29 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
>
>
> Cruiser Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 17, 1:26 pm, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
>
> >> Cruiser Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 17, 12:04 am, Rita <rtkng...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:26:04 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >> >> that you had to keep moving while on a three wheel trike you can slow
> >> >> to a crawl. And if you stop you need not get off.
>
> >> >> Last time I owned a two wheel bike I lived in New York City and lived
> >> >> close to Central Park, and then later in Brooklyn lived close to a
> >> >> large park there. So I could ride on bike paths.
>
> >> >> Now that I am age 82 a three wheel trike is much safer for me. I do
> >> >> have spinal stenosis that makes walking much painful. On the trike
> >> >> one bends forward and no pain. Without the trike I would not be able
> >> >> to get much exercise. I love my trike. I am not in a hurry to get
> >> >> anyplace. Luckily there are places to chain it at groceries stores,
> >> >> the library, etc. Sometimes when there are no bike racks a palm
> >> >> tree trunk works well. Palm trees are a dime a dozen in my area
> >> >> of San Diego which is called Pacific Beach.
>
> >> >Maybe I should check out that area. ;)
>
> >> Well, it is Southern California and nice weather for bike riding.
> >> There are bike paths along the ocean. If you leave the Pacific
> >> Beach area, however, you run into the freeways which surround
> >> the neighborhood on 3 sides with the ocean on the 4th side.
> >> I do not ride in traffic. Bikers who do are hit by cars -- not an
> >> uncommon occurence.
>
> >> >What kind of trike you got? How many speeds?
>
> >> The bike itself is not an electric trike -- it is a Tristar
> >> and only one speed but that doesn't matter since I
> >> had an electric motor put on it. There is a guy who
> >> specializes in converting bikes to electric. He does a fine
> >> job and if there are any problems comes and gets the trike
> >> and fixes them.
>
> >> The big basket over the two rear wheels hold a lot of
> >> groceries -- three big paper bags filled to the brim.
>
> >Thank you, Rita. It sounds like Paradise to me, but do you have a long
> >path by the beach?
>
> Yes, there is a paved path for a couple of miles along the ocean in
> my area. There is a map you can get of how bike paths connect
> throughout the city. You may have to ride on streets for a
> distance to get from one bike path to another. And sometimes
> it is quite roundabout to avoid the freeways. I ride only in my
> own area where I don't have to get out on any streets. Younger
> riders than me don't mind getting into some traffic. I avoid it.
>
> Here is a photo of a bike path along the ocean close to my home:
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/PacificBeach...
It sounds like you can have space for a slow bike or trike, but you
would run into trouble elsewhere.
Just coming here now. I'm walking my slow bike across the street and
the lady driver is blocking my path and looking the other way. If I
take take a step in front of her, I'm taking a gamble. So I knock on
her hood to make sure she sees me and proceed. Then she calls me back,
"Sir, why you do that?" I go, "Well see, I only got this one life and
I want to make sure you see me. You want to call the police?" The
argument goes back and forth and she says as partying shot, "Well, I
hope you have a nice day, sir." The irony is that I need it with
drivers like hers.
We have many problems presented in the above paragraph:
1- Drivers are routinely blocking pedestrian crossings,
2- They are incapable of being polite and saying "sorry,"
3- They are looking for trouble.
But I'm not looking for trouble. I'm trying to have to a nice day with
my new chihuahua. His name is Tequila.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EfL9MSwPQaA/TB80vV7gFaI/AAAAAAAAAY0/bN2b7Lqv568/s1600/chihuahua.JPG
datakoll
Apr 23, 2012, 10:23:45 PM4/23/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Apr 24, 2012, 7:23:08 PM4/24/12
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On Apr 22, 4:59 pm, Toci <dl64...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 1:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:44 am, bo peep <cowartmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Anyone spending time out on the streets and/or sidewalks should carry a cellphone for emergencies. A Tracfone costs less than $7/month for moderate use.
>
> > There's a number I got but by the time they'll show up, they'll be
> > gone. And there's the possibility that the driver sees me and chases
> > me around. They do it routinely because they can get away with it. I
> > saw more cars blocking sidewalk in the same area next to a body shop.
>
> > I don't want to play VIGILANTE like Zimmerman.
>
> Actually, as a common pedestrian, I often come across drivers who feel
> I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
> drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
I just had a peek into "the animal" forcing pedestrians and cyclists
off the sidewalk. I was at this bakery and this old cowboy (hat and
all) parked his big truck in a spot designed for cars, which made the
next cyclist to come along to walk his bicycle around. He ordered a
bunch of crackers and left without any awareness of the conflict he
created. Funny thing is he had a handicap permit to allow him to have
preferential treatment.
Everything is upside-down in a place where the humble struggle to
survive and the predator pretends to be weak.
> On Apr 22, 1:19 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:44 am, bo peep <cowartmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:51:43 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
>
> > > When you promptly report them to the police. Did you report this recent blocking incident to the police? If not, how did you expect the police to know about the problem? Do you believe that the police are psychic?
> > > On Thursday, April 19, 2012 7:51:43 AM UTC-6, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > > > When will cars be ticketed or towed away for blocking sidewalk?
>
>
> > > Anyone spending time out on the streets and/or sidewalks should carry a cellphone for emergencies. A Tracfone costs less than $7/month for moderate use.
>
> > There's a number I got but by the time they'll show up, they'll be
> > gone. And there's the possibility that the driver sees me and chases
> > me around. They do it routinely because they can get away with it. I
> > saw more cars blocking sidewalk in the same area next to a body shop.
>
> > I don't want to play VIGILANTE like Zimmerman.
>
> Actually, as a common pedestrian, I often come across drivers who feel
> I shouldn't exist, either. I strongly suspect they're the same
> drivers who give bicyclists trouble. Toci
I just had a peek into "the animal" forcing pedestrians and cyclists
off the sidewalk. I was at this bakery and this old cowboy (hat and
all) parked his big truck in a spot designed for cars, which made the
next cyclist to come along to walk his bicycle around. He ordered a
bunch of crackers and left without any awareness of the conflict he
created. Funny thing is he had a handicap permit to allow him to have
preferential treatment.
Everything is upside-down in a place where the humble struggle to
survive and the predator pretends to be weak.
datakoll
Apr 24, 2012, 9:23:42 PM4/24/12
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my Mother had a permit. She thought it was hilarious. Nothing wrong with my mother.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 1, 2012, 3:09:04 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 15, 9:00 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Zombies_Nightofthe...
> Don't ask me about the morality of it. It's all about survival. I must
> ride on sidewalk like everybody else in the middle of this bike
> sharing program. I don't know if it's that way in Paris or London, but
> that's reality here. I figure that on average I have five near misses
> with pedestrians and two with cars every single outing. Today I almost
> hit a child that must have been daydreaming. Elderly people really
> worry me since they can hardly afford to have a broken bone. Couples
> blocking my way patiently step aside. Some give me a dirty look. I
> wished they understood I don't want to be there. Cars, on the other
> hand, just ignore me when they go in/out of driveways as if they lived
> in a bubble. We are all taking gambles, and the odds are against the
> weak. Is everybody willing participant?
>
> Is there a solution or are people zombies? Do we have the living dead
> walking among us? That's a scary thought. But that's only my humble
> opinion.
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
It is said "happiness is a beach cruiser," but not when you can bump
into pedestrians. I hit my first pedestrian today as I rode down the
sidewalk, and the pedestrian came out of nowhere. Nothing really
serious but she was visibly shaken, and I offered no appologies since
that's the only place for me to ride a bike.
I remember saying something about us "being on top of each other,"
which I hope our masters someday will remember. When you mix different
species together sooner or later something happens. It's not a happy
cohabitation. It actually leads to conflicts and accidents.
Perhaps our engineers are stupid and don't notice these things, but
I'm here to remind them. I'm the first philosopher not to be "up in
clouds" and rather offer practical solutions.
I vaguely mentioned my campaign "Welcome to the Jungle" to the
affected lady but I don't think she registered. Perhaps she's not
lucky as you are. And what about if it had been an old lady? I just
want to dismiss that thought.
TO BE CONTINUED --OR NOT.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 3, 2012, 2:31:01 PM5/3/12
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On May 1, 8:53 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
"Natural Born Killers" is another title and they do kill a cyclist for
the hell of it in the movie. They do have a License to Kill, which
helps their killing instincts take over.
> On 05-01-2012 15:18, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher wrote:
> > I don't know the specifics of this street, but it sounds like the bike
> > lanes we have around here and don't connect anywhere. They are perhaps
>
> I had to see a dermatologist, and all of them are on the opposite side
> of the city. GoogleMaps' bicycling route had FORTY turn/merge/etc. points.
>
> Auto instructions, nine.
>
> Heck with it, I'll take the auto route.
>
> I got rid of my car two years ago, and I've been all over the county,
> Seems I make the same decision every time I go anywhere. The only time
> I didn't, I was fifteen minutes late to an important meeting.
>
> On the bright side, there seems to be far fewer "evil idiot" motorists
> than some folks would have us believe. Yes, there are a noticeable
> number of idiots, but today is the only time in these two years
> that I encountered one who was evil. (And "evil" is an exaggeration--
> he just laid on his horn for about ten seconds because I was blocking
> almost five percent of HIS road.)
>
> I also spent two years without a car in San Diego--with a thirteen-mile
> commute to work--and never encountered an attitude problem either.
This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
"Natural Born Killers" is another title and they do kill a cyclist for
the hell of it in the movie. They do have a License to Kill, which
helps their killing instincts take over.
AMuzi
May 3, 2012, 2:46:03 PM5/3/12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OByPf1fTZ0
I hope those putzes in the next lane haven't seen that!
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Radey Shouman
May 3, 2012, 3:49:39 PM5/3/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
on a *sidewalk*, and refuses even to apologize on the hypocritical
grounds that he is himself terrorized by motor vehicle drivers.
A waste of skin, some might say. Lower than the fleas that infest his
hide.
Wes Groleau
May 3, 2012, 9:58:17 PM5/3/12
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On 05-03-2012 15:49, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> > This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
>> > away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
>> > evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
>> > but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
>> > every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
>> > minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
>> > qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
> IMHO even [worse] is the monkey on a bicycle who runs into a pedestrian,
>> > This dilemma of evil/idiot is always nagging me. If we let them get
>> > away with "idiot," who's evil then? I don't think anyone can be more
>> > evil than a driver harassing a cyclist that occupies 5% of "his" road,
>> > but I find them with too much frequency. I think they tend to spoil
>> > every trip that I do on the road even though they represent a small
>> > minority. They try to intimidate or terrorize cyclists, so they may
>> > qualify for that title. Just that they are terrorists without a cause.
> on a*sidewalk*, and refuses even to apologize on the hypocritical
> grounds that he is himself terrorized by motor vehicle drivers.
> A waste of skin, some might say. Lower than the fleas that infest his
> hide.
I thought I didn't believe in karma, but there must be _some_ reason for
> A waste of skin, some might say. Lower than the fleas that infest his
> hide.
a small minority to spoil every trip he does on the road and yet for me
to only encounter one in five years of being pedal-power only.
--
Wes Groleau
Promote multi-use trails in northeast Indiana!
http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 3, 2012, 10:52:53 PM5/3/12
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On 4/15/2012 10:53 PM, datakoll wrote:
> there IS, esp in FLA, a pedestrian hierarchy:
>
> to be brief
>
> cripples
> old folk
> cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
> people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
> children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
>
> empty sidewalks..
> in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
>
> this is direct from dah horses mouth on when or when not to sidewalk.
> there IS, esp in FLA, a pedestrian hierarchy:
>
> to be brief
>
> cripples
> old folk
> cranky ol snowbirds from Minn, et al
> people engaged in commerce ( factor in for preceeding )
> children, yours I hope, going to uh school.
>
> empty sidewalks..
> in FLA empty sidewalks are a sure thing...but not on the bike path where everyone recreates, posses, promenadi...but ITSA BIKE PATH yet the hierarchy standsreason for empty sidewalks nis no one walks its too HOT forem
>
>
> DO NOT SIDEWALK IN ARTY COMMERCIAL AREAS INHABITED by all olf the above.
>
> walk the bike. meat people.
>
Why not give Florida back to Spain?
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 3, 2012, 10:58:33 PM5/3/12
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On 4/16/2012 10:06 AM, datakoll wrote:
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
> [...]
> Miamuh, remeber the TV program MIAMUH CODE ? boasts a variety of building specs prob distorting ur vision here.
>
> EG Miamuh is a special case among urban/suburban areas. Miamuh isnot Ohio or old LA or San Diego which is impossible.
Nope, Miami is Ohio.
<http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=miami+ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x883f7638775f30a9:0x3b021b6bb02baab6,Miami,+OH&gl=us&ei=_0SjT4-rPIiA2wW97pH0Aw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=9&ved=0CE8Q8gEwCA>
AMuzi
May 3, 2012, 11:14:53 PM5/3/12
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Iberia.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 3, 2012, 11:30:30 PM5/3/12
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On 5/3/2012 10:14 PM, A. Muzi wrote:
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> [...]
top 0.01% would have more absolute wealth under a Democratic government
than a Republican government, based on the trends of the last 40 years.
But hey, stomping on other people is more important than anything else.
Actually, I take my statement back. The Spanish people have suffered
enough from fascism and its after-effect the last 80 years, so they do
not need a bunch of expatriate Cuban fascists to deal with.
> Tom $herman (-_-) > wrote:
>> [...]
>> Why not give Florida back to Spain?
>>
>
> Because you'd get better results if Gov Scott were running Iberia.
>
Republicans govern badly on purpose to discredit government. Even the
>>
>
> Because you'd get better results if Gov Scott were running Iberia.
>
top 0.01% would have more absolute wealth under a Democratic government
than a Republican government, based on the trends of the last 40 years.
But hey, stomping on other people is more important than anything else.
Actually, I take my statement back. The Spanish people have suffered
enough from fascism and its after-effect the last 80 years, so they do
not need a bunch of expatriate Cuban fascists to deal with.
Dan Becker
May 4, 2012, 12:21:53 AM5/4/12
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In article <jnvgkt$qb7$1...@dont-email.me>, -_-
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=fir
> efox-a&q=miami+ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x883f7638775f30a9:0x3b021b6bb02ba
> ab6,Miami,+OH&gl=us&ei=_0SjT4-rPIiA2wW97pH0Aw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&
> resnum=9&ved=0CE8Q8gEwCA
Um sorry you missed by about 80 miles:
<http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&cli
ent=firefox-a&q=miami+ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x883f7638775f30a9:0x
3b021b6bb02baab6,Miami,+OH&gl=us&ei=_0SjT4-rPIiA2wW97pH0Aw&sa=X&oi=geoco
de_result&ct=title&resnum=9&ved=0CE8Q8gEwCA>
Note please that it is not Miami of Ohio. It was first. Miami of
Florida came much later.
Dan
<""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=fir
> efox-a&q=miami+ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x883f7638775f30a9:0x3b021b6bb02ba
> ab6,Miami,+OH&gl=us&ei=_0SjT4-rPIiA2wW97pH0Aw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&
> resnum=9&ved=0CE8Q8gEwCA
Um sorry you missed by about 80 miles:
<http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&cli
ent=firefox-a&q=miami+ohio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x883f7638775f30a9:0x
3b021b6bb02baab6,Miami,+OH&gl=us&ei=_0SjT4-rPIiA2wW97pH0Aw&sa=X&oi=geoco
de_result&ct=title&resnum=9&ved=0CE8Q8gEwCA>
Note please that it is not Miami of Ohio. It was first. Miami of
Florida came much later.
Dan
datakoll
May 4, 2012, 12:34:30 AM5/4/12
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Walker is taking bribe money from Las Vegas
Miamuh is capital of South America
Miamuh is capital of South America
datakoll
May 4, 2012, 12:40:04 AM5/4/12
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Wes Groleau
May 4, 2012, 12:51:23 AM5/4/12
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On 05-04-2012 00:21, Dan Becker wrote:
> Note please that it is not Miami of Ohio. It was first. Miami of
> Florida came much later.
The Miami of native america preceded both.
> Note please that it is not Miami of Ohio. It was first. Miami of
> Florida came much later.
--
Wes Groleau
“What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing;
it also depends on what kind of person you are.”
-- C.S.Lewis
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datakoll
May 4, 2012, 9:25:26 AM5/4/12
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RBT lost common relevance with the rise in UTUBE activity.
Not so much that people cannot read nor write. Video is what you should do not what you should think about doing.
Not so much that people cannot read nor write. Video is what you should do not what you should think about doing.
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May 5, 2012, 11:04:22 PM5/5/12
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:04:46 PM5/6/12
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cyclist is not news as much as a dead cyclist is. One of the worst
"vultures" around is Channel 7 which happens to be right on the worst
road to ride a bicycle in Miami, which also happens to be the most
scenic. They play a major role in planting FEAR while ignoring the
news worth investigating. For example, this same road is ALWAYS under
construction as if a lot of corruption is going on. But that's only my
humble opinion.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:15:12 PM5/6/12
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while I go around looking for support for a solution, even if it means
NO BIKES ON SIDEWALK. They are so pitiful that they don't even notice
the sidewalks in disrepair while a monkey on a bike must do their job.
Actually I think we should have a few cyclists looking for broken and
dangerous sidewalks. Some of them can be deadly to the handicapped
and nobody ever care. Smart elderly people on a trike are particularly
at risk of taking advantage of the wheel.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:21:36 PM5/6/12
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haven't been harassed so far, but it takes me some 30 miles of
driving. And I must follow this particular street that I have
carefully chosen.
That's kind of stupid, isn't it?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:23:28 PM5/6/12
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On May 3, 10:52 pm, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
Spain is nice and civilized by now, so it's not a bad idea. Maybe we
should give the remaining states back to England.
should give the remaining states back to England.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:30:51 PM5/6/12
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On May 4, 6:57 am, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> Or perhaps this tenuous link with reality is evidence of ego
> inflation. After all, if the roads ARE this dangerous and one still
> rides them, it must be an indication of that one is a REAL MAN....
> deep within that scrawny, couch potato, carcass.
>
> --
> John B.
NOBODY rides them around here. Everybody struggles along sidewalks in
the middle of a bike sharing program similar to Paris and London. But
I'm afraid our drivers are unique in the world.
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> inflation. After all, if the roads ARE this dangerous and one still
> rides them, it must be an indication of that one is a REAL MAN....
> deep within that scrawny, couch potato, carcass.
>
> --
> John B.
NOBODY rides them around here. Everybody struggles along sidewalks in
the middle of a bike sharing program similar to Paris and London. But
I'm afraid our drivers are unique in the world.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:25:39 PM5/6/12
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On May 4, 12:34 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Walker is taking bribe money from Las Vegas
>
> Miamuh is capital of South America
That's true. Their affluent people look up to Miami and take back a
> Walker is taking bribe money from Las Vegas
>
> Miamuh is capital of South America
piece of Miami.
That's why South America is so fucked up.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:27:40 PM5/6/12
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On May 4, 6:57 am, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2012 11:31:01 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> with reality thus causing the misconception that what is viewed on the
> little screen has some relationship to real life.
> --
> John B.
Real life could be better or it could be worse. Last cyclist to die
here last month was a hit and run. That's the rule rather than the
exception.
Wes Groleau
May 6, 2012, 3:35:58 PM5/6/12
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since I got rid of the car.
In the two-plus years without a car in San Diego, I don't remember where
I went other than the thirteen miles from inland suburbs
to my job on the bay.
--
Wes Groleau
“Grant me the serenity to accept those I cannot change;
the courage to change the one I can;
and the wisdom to know it's me.”
— unknown
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 3:36:41 PM5/6/12
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On May 4, 7:26 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 03 May 2012 21:52:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> I thought that the Cubans already had Miami?
> --
> John B.
And for most mysterious reason Ft. Lauderdale is the most dangerous
place for pedestrians and cyclists.
Believe it or not, I'm driving from Miami Beach to ride in Hialeah
parks and quiet areas. Not all Cubans drive SUVs and push around
cyclists. And the beach is unique because it actually has people
walking on sidewalk. In Hialeah you got the sidewalks all to yourself.
> On Thu, 03 May 2012 21:52:53 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> --
> John B.
And for most mysterious reason Ft. Lauderdale is the most dangerous
place for pedestrians and cyclists.
Believe it or not, I'm driving from Miami Beach to ride in Hialeah
parks and quiet areas. Not all Cubans drive SUVs and push around
cyclists. And the beach is unique because it actually has people
walking on sidewalk. In Hialeah you got the sidewalks all to yourself.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 4:21:26 PM5/6/12
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On May 6, 3:35 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-06-2012 15:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 9:58 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >> I thought I didn't believe in karma, but there must be _some_ reason for
> >> a small minority to spoil every trip he does on the road and yet for me
> >> to only encounter one in five years of being pedal-power only.
>
> > It maybe you live in a nice part of town. I go to a place where I
> > haven't been harassed so far, but it takes me some 30 miles of
> > driving. And I must follow this particular street that I have
> > carefully chosen.
>
> Here, I ride in _all_ parts of town (and county) in the two-plus years
> since I got rid of the car.
>
> In the two-plus years without a car in San Diego, I don't remember where
> I went other than the thirteen miles from inland suburbs
> to my job on the bay.
I think you are comparing pears and apples. I have challenged people
> On 05-06-2012 15:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 9:58 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >> I thought I didn't believe in karma, but there must be _some_ reason for
> >> a small minority to spoil every trip he does on the road and yet for me
> >> to only encounter one in five years of being pedal-power only.
>
> > It maybe you live in a nice part of town. I go to a place where I
> > haven't been harassed so far, but it takes me some 30 miles of
> > driving. And I must follow this particular street that I have
> > carefully chosen.
>
> Here, I ride in _all_ parts of town (and county) in the two-plus years
> since I got rid of the car.
>
> In the two-plus years without a car in San Diego, I don't remember where
> I went other than the thirteen miles from inland suburbs
> to my job on the bay.
in my local forum to ride everywhere on the roads and nobody has
picked up the gauntlet.
But we can do it one more time. How much are you willing to bet?
Radey Shouman
May 6, 2012, 5:57:42 PM5/6/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
right of way. If you run into a pedestrian on the sidewalk you are, by
definition, at fault, and should at the *very* least humbly and
sincerely beg for pardon. Were it up to me I wouldn't think a few days
in jail would be out of line.
Obey the golden rule: do unto pedestrians as you would have drivers do
unto you.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 6, 2012, 9:49:33 PM5/6/12
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behind a wall without looking, and if I apologized I would share some
of the blame. I was riding nice and slow, so I share no blame.
We are two idiots that bumped into each other in the great scheme of
things.
Wes Groleau
May 6, 2012, 11:00:37 PM5/6/12
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me to ride on roads, I've made it quite clear that I do exactly that
unless there is some other route both legal and not adding excessive
time to my trip.
> But we can do it one more time. How much are you willing to bet?
especially when I haven't a clue what you want to be on.
--
Wes Groleau
“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation
of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.”
— Thomas Jefferson
Radey Shouman
May 7, 2012, 10:57:36 AM5/7/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
at fault. If you did more damage than you would have had you been a
pedestrian, you are at fault. If you were anything like a decent human
being you would have apologized in any case.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 7, 2012, 2:31:12 PM5/7/12
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On May 6, 11:00 pm, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-06-2012 16:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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> > On May 6, 3:35 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >> On 05-06-2012 15:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On May 3, 9:58 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >>>> I thought I didn't believe in karma, but there must be _some_ reason for
> >>>> a small minority to spoil every trip he does on the road and yet for me
> >>>> to only encounter one in five years of being pedal-power only.
>
> >>> It maybe you live in a nice part of town. I go to a place where I
> >>> haven't been harassed so far, but it takes me some 30 miles of
> >>> driving. And I must follow this particular street that I have
> >>> carefully chosen.
>
> >> Here, I ride in _all_ parts of town (and county) in the two-plus years
> >> since I got rid of the car.
>
> >> In the two-plus years without a car in San Diego, I don't remember where
> >> I went other than the thirteen miles from inland suburbs
> >> to my job on the bay.
>
> > I think you are comparing pears and apples. I have challenged people
> > in my local forum to ride everywhere on the roads and nobody has
> > picked up the gauntlet.
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you are challenging
> me to ride on roads, I've made it quite clear that I do exactly that
> unless there is some other route both legal and not adding excessive
> time to my trip.
You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> On 05-06-2012 16:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 6, 3:35 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >> On 05-06-2012 15:21, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> >>> On May 3, 9:58 pm, Wes Groleau<Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> >>>> I thought I didn't believe in karma, but there must be _some_ reason for
> >>>> a small minority to spoil every trip he does on the road and yet for me
> >>>> to only encounter one in five years of being pedal-power only.
>
> >>> It maybe you live in a nice part of town. I go to a place where I
> >>> haven't been harassed so far, but it takes me some 30 miles of
> >>> driving. And I must follow this particular street that I have
> >>> carefully chosen.
>
> >> Here, I ride in _all_ parts of town (and county) in the two-plus years
> >> since I got rid of the car.
>
> >> In the two-plus years without a car in San Diego, I don't remember where
> >> I went other than the thirteen miles from inland suburbs
> >> to my job on the bay.
>
> > I think you are comparing pears and apples. I have challenged people
> > in my local forum to ride everywhere on the roads and nobody has
> > picked up the gauntlet.
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about. If you are challenging
> me to ride on roads, I've made it quite clear that I do exactly that
> unless there is some other route both legal and not adding excessive
> time to my trip.
comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> > But we can do it one more time. How much are you willing to bet?
>
> Do what one more time? I can't afford to bet anything on anything,
> especially when I haven't a clue what you want to be on.
old lady in San Diego that says the roads are unsafe and she rides on
sidewalks. I wonder why such is the case.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 7, 2012, 2:32:24 PM5/7/12
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May 7, 2012, 11:24:42 PM5/7/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
I guess.
Tom $herman (-_-)
May 8, 2012, 12:40:01 AM5/8/12
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On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
Post Free or Die!
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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 8, 2012, 4:38:09 PM5/8/12
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On May 7, 8:51 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:24 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> Of course you are an animal - a mammal, to be specific. But that is no
> excuse for riding a bicycle on the foot path.
> --
> John B.
But that's no excuse to let the big animals run the place. Pedestrians
and cyclists are pretty much on equal terms. It's "dog eat dog."
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:24 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> excuse for riding a bicycle on the foot path.
> --
> John B.
But that's no excuse to let the big animals run the place. Pedestrians
and cyclists are pretty much on equal terms. It's "dog eat dog."
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 8, 2012, 4:39:57 PM5/8/12
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On May 7, 8:51 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 May 2012 11:31:12 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> sidewalks when there is no other room?
>
> Your explanation smacks of self righteousness.
> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> sidewalks when there is no other room?
>
>
>
>
> >> > But we can do it one more time. How much are you willing to bet?
>
> >> Do what one more time? I can't afford to bet anything on anything,
> >> especially when I haven't a clue what you want to be on.
>
> >You may not be harassed in San Diego but you will here. But there's an
> >old lady in San Diego that says the roads are unsafe and she rides on
> >sidewalks. I wonder why such is the case.
>
> I suspect that it is fear. But then I know people that are afraid of
>
>
> >> > But we can do it one more time. How much are you willing to bet?
>
> >> Do what one more time? I can't afford to bet anything on anything,
> >> especially when I haven't a clue what you want to be on.
>
> >You may not be harassed in San Diego but you will here. But there's an
> >old lady in San Diego that says the roads are unsafe and she rides on
> >sidewalks. I wonder why such is the case.
>
> flying, guns, water, killer bees, and a host of other irrational
> fears.
>
> --
> John B.
You know why they can't tolerate a terrorist to blow a plane?
...
Just because people would be afraid to fly and fear is no good for
anyone except the terrorists.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 8, 2012, 4:43:36 PM5/8/12
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On May 8, 12:40 am, "Tom $herman (-_-)" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
wealthy community does around here.
Are we fighting dogs?
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> > I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> > when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> > motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> > available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> > sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>
> Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
Is the sidewalk a good place to walk a dog but not a bike? That's what
> On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> > I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
> > when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
> > motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
> > available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
> > sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>
> Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
wealthy community does around here.
Are we fighting dogs?
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 8, 2012, 4:42:22 PM5/8/12
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monkeys?
They would fight because resources are limited. In this case the
sidewalk is the limited resource. It's our "masters" fault. Look no
further.
Radey Shouman
May 8, 2012, 5:53:13 PM5/8/12
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John B. <johnbs...@gmail.com> writes:
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 23:40:01 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
>>> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
>>> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
>>> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
>>> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>>
>>Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
>
>
> there you go. Park all them damned scooters on the sidewalk and there
> won't be room to ride your bike.
Where I live many cars and trucks are parked on the sidewalk. It's
damned annoying.
> On Mon, 07 May 2012 23:40:01 -0500, "Tom $herman (-_-)"
> <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote:
>
>>On 5/7/2012 7:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> I see. It is logical for bicycles to travel on sidewalks (foot paths)
>>> when there is no room elsewhere. But isn't it equally logical for
>>> motorcycles to use the sidewalks when there is no other room
>>> available? And for that matter, why can't automobiles to use the
>>> sidewalks when there is no other room?[...]
>>
>>Well, the sidewalk can be a good place to park a scooter.
>
>
> won't be room to ride your bike.
Where I live many cars and trucks are parked on the sidewalk. It's
damned annoying.
Radey Shouman
May 8, 2012, 8:16:12 PM5/8/12
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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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May 9, 2012, 10:50:26 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 5:53 pm, Radey Shouman <shou...@comcast.net> wrote:
Same here. I wonder why they can get away with it. It must be that the
pedestrians are not paying attention. Notice that I never said they
are stupid.
pedestrians are not paying attention. Notice that I never said they
are stupid.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 9, 2012, 10:55:56 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 11:36 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> What gives your "right" to ride your bicycle on the foot path
> constructed for pedestrians? Or are you just like the big black SUV
> driver forcing your way through traffic (but of course in a much
> smaller manner).
>
> You are just as arrogant in your manner as the SUV people, forcing
> those old ladies to run for cover when you whiz by on your bike.
>
> Nope, no difference. One arrogant arse bitching about the bikes and
> another bitching about the pedestrians.
>
> --
> John B.
No, there's a big difference: I acknowledge we don't belong there. SUV
drivers must acknowledge they belong in the African savannah, and then
we can proceed to civilization.
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> constructed for pedestrians? Or are you just like the big black SUV
> driver forcing your way through traffic (but of course in a much
> smaller manner).
>
> You are just as arrogant in your manner as the SUV people, forcing
> those old ladies to run for cover when you whiz by on your bike.
>
> Nope, no difference. One arrogant arse bitching about the bikes and
> another bitching about the pedestrians.
>
> --
> John B.
No, there's a big difference: I acknowledge we don't belong there. SUV
drivers must acknowledge they belong in the African savannah, and then
we can proceed to civilization.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 9, 2012, 11:02:58 AM5/9/12
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On May 8, 11:36 pm, John B. <johnbsloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 May 2012 13:42:22 -0700 (PDT), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> your mother still spoon feeds you as obviously it would be an unfair
> burden on you to actually reach out a hand and do something for your
> self.
Sorry, we DO have masters. Whatever we do is their design. They use
ADVERTISING and INTIMIDATION to have us driving trucks not bicyles. We
are different species on top of each other, fighting for survival and
space.
A good master doesn't mix rats and mice.
Wes Groleau
May 12, 2012, 12:09:05 AM5/12/12
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On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> conditions are right, but not blindly.
I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> conditions are right, but not blindly.
mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
not maintained.
TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
May 13, 2012, 12:05:00 PM5/13/12
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On May 12, 12:09 am, Wes Groleau <Groleau+n...@FreeShell.org> wrote:
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
I agree with that, but we often find ourselves between a rock and a
> On 05-07-2012 14:31, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > You questioned my statement that roads are "no man's land" by
> > comparing Miami and San Diego. People ride on sidewalks here because
> > there's no other way. I want to point that often I ride on roads when
> > conditions are right, but not blindly.
>
> I mentioned "Here" (northeast Indiana) and San Diego. I could also
> mention that I obeyed the law riding in Tulsa, L.A., and Oregon--but
> those were in the 1960s and 1970s.
>
> People ride on sidewalks here, too. But the doesn't make it right or
> smart. Even if it were legal, I wouldn't do it, since the sidewalks are
> not maintained.
hard place. Yes you can get hurt on sidewalks, yes you can hurt
people, yes you can hit a pole or signpost, yes you must struggle with
cars at every intersection and driveway, yes you may hit a bump on
sidewalks that are in disrepair, yes you may have to negotiate your
way around garbage cans, yes you may have to deal with dogs, but THE
ROAD (I'm talking about Collins Ave from Miami Beach to Hollywood and
adjacent causeways) remains NO MAN'S LAND.
And that's in the middle of bike sharing program similar to Paris and
London.
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