The American Fascist Party can't all be cyclists!

[Andre Jute]

See https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-lie-of-portlands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Andre Jute
Disgusted at the Antifa's racism

[jbeattie]

On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:53:13 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> See https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-lie-of-portlands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.

Why was he there?
I was there, too -- on my bike. I turned left, avoided the police wagon with all the guys on the running boards and went for a spectacular ride through the West Hills. It was a beautiful day, and Sunday was equally beautiful and even a bit warmer, so I rode out to here: https://i.redd.it/rj1qoaidmtx21.jpg >80 mile speed run with a single stop for a selfie at the falls to text back to my wife. Via here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLUcbgpVIpw I never get tired of that ride.

For Frank, the Gorge Highway is open again, and except for some random charred trees, you wouldn't know that there was a giant forest fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7JTxYNWt4 Shepperds Dell was untouched: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4709/39076437484_c3b20175ee_b.jpg


Anyone who shows up for these clown-shows is seeking retribution or martyrdom or both. Ngo -- righteous martyr for the conservative cause, and he has the YouTube video to prove it!

I don't like Antifa either, and particularly when they tie up traffic or harass civilians. But I could care less about the usual suspects who show up to antagonize each other.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Zen Cycle]

Still hoping for another krystalnacht when your "proud boys" are allowed to run amok with impunity, eh Andre? Or maybe you would just like to see people passively sit and 'turn the other cheek' like when Dylan Roof performed his act of heroism on that unsuspecting elder black prayer circle. Face it, you're just pissed because people are actively fighting back against your attempts at suppression/oppression. Ngo was an active supporter of the 'proud boys', and had published Islamophobic screeds. He may be gay and asian, but you know you're actually being quite dishonest when you suggested he was targeted for that. Meanwhile, the rants on your side of "jews will not replace us" go completely unmentioned by you.

Zencycle
Disgusted at Jute's hypocrisy.

[Andre Jute]

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 4:35:20 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
> On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:53:13 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > See https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-lie-of-portlands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.
>
> Why was he there?

Andy Ngo was reporting for The Spectator, the oldest continuously published magazine in the world. Are you now justifying the beating up or perhaps even murder of journalists?

> I was there, too -- on my bike. I turned left, avoided the police wagon with all the guys on the running boards

Who did nothing while Ngo was beaten into a coma.

>and went for a spectacular ride through the West Hills. It was a beautiful day, and Sunday was equally beautiful and even a bit warmer, so I rode out to here: https://i.redd.it/rj1qoaidmtx21.jpg >80 mile speed run with a single stop for a selfie at the falls to text back to my wife. Via here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLUcbgpVIpw I never get tired of that ride.

Christabel Bielenberg, a niece of the British press barons Northcliffe, Harmsworth, and Rothermere who lived in Germany throughout the Nazi era and the war, described well how the Germans got on with their lives a stones throw from the deathcamps. See her 1968 book The Past is Myself.

> Anyone who shows up for these clown-shows is seeking retribution or martyrdom or both. Ngo -- righteous martyr for the conservative cause, and he has the YouTube video to prove it!

Ngo was working, doing his job as a journalist. That's a nauseating bit of shystring by you, blaming the victim for being beaten into a vegetable. What's more, it is prima facie hypocrisy: if it were a left-wing journalist put into hospital by masked thugs, you'd be outraged.

> I don't like Antifa either, and particularly when they tie up traffic or harass civilians. But I could care less about the usual suspects who show up to antagonize each other.

Antifa is a bunch of street corner thugs not even bright enough to have a cohesive theory of their attraction to violence. The only fascists in America today with even a pretense to a theory -- corporatism and homosexuality-- is the Democratic Party, with Antifa doing its wet work, as they just did on Andy Ngo to cheers from the same-old media mouthpieces for the Clintons.

> -- Jay Beattie.

These students are so badly educated that they think what they think and do is new. It isn't:

"In Italy the fascists are divided into two categories: the fascists and the anti-fascists." -- Ennio Flaiano (couldn't find a date but sometime in the 1950s or 1960s)

"The lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: a source of violence." -- Alain Finkielkraut, 2005

"In the Democrats' northern fiefdoms the cops increasingly behave as they did in the party's old southern fiefdoms - they're there not to keep the peace but to ensure that their buddies in the Klan - whoops, sorry, I mean Klantifa - get to give the designated "troublemakers" a bloody good hiding." -- Mark Steyn, 2019

Of course the genuine fascists of the Hitlerite stripe held their Kristallnacht for precisely the same reason as Antifa practices its violence, their inchoate claim that the free thought and speech of others is an aggression that justifies violence. Scum is as scum does. The Democratic leadership and flackery defending and egging on Antifa are equally scum. And so are their fellow-travellers and apologists, every single Democrat who doesn't condemn these events and Antifa forthrightly and unequivocally. Furthermore, attempts at moral equivalence ("Why was he there?" "Anyone who shows up for these clown-shows is seeking retribution or martyrdom or both.") are an insult to our intelligence.

What do you call masked scum beating up a journalist and stealing his equipment? See https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1145105193647759360. What do you call the police who stand by and let it happen?

Andre Jute
I'd say "scum" is a mild epithet

[Andre Jute]

You're projecting your crimes and immorality onto me. Go blow your spiteful spittle at your mirror.

Andre Jute
Charisma is the talent of inducing apoplexy in losers by merely existing elegantly

[jbeattie]

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 3:15:31 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 4:35:20 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:53:13 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > See https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-lie-of-portlands-anti-fa/ about the police-assisted fascisti who call themselves Anti-Fa in Portland beating up a gay Asian journalist.
> >
> > Why was he there?
>
> Andy Ngo was reporting for The Spectator, the oldest continuously published magazine in the world. Are you now justifying the beating up or perhaps even murder of journalists?

He's a participant. Both sides knew he would be there. He's a provocateur, much like the mullet-heads from Vancouver. Get martyred and do a go-fund-me site and another interview with Tucker Carlson. What's his go-fund-me page up to? https://www.gofundme.com/protect-andy-ngo-fund Yikes!

With that said, assault is assault. Prosecute the whole lot of them. I'm sympathetic to the rule of law.

I'm also sympathetic to the civilians who bear the brunt of Patriot Prayer coming to Portland to bait Antifa and then Antifa doing its thug-thing. And contrary to the popular alt-right mythology, the PPB does make arrests, and they do control crowds. And all of us Portlanders pay for the PPB OT.

> > I was there, too -- on my bike. I turned left, avoided the police wagon with all the guys on the running boards
>
> Who did nothing while Ngo was beaten into a coma.

Hmmm. Gets a perfect score on the Glasgow Coma Scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCe23AQ0du8 He was held over-night according to the stories due to a brain hemorrhage -- which would not go away over-night, at least not without some bur holes.

BTW, I would love to shut all these people down -- prosecute all of them. I'm not sympathetic, but don't put this guy up as your poster boy. In fact, STFU. I'm sick of internet know-nothings throwing gas on the fire.

>
> >and went for a spectacular ride through the West Hills. It was a beautiful day, and Sunday was equally beautiful and even a bit warmer, so I rode out to here: https://i.redd.it/rj1qoaidmtx21.jpg >80 mile speed run with a single stop for a selfie at the falls to text back to my wife. Via here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLUcbgpVIpw I never get tired of that ride.
>
> Christabel Bielenberg, a niece of the British press barons Northcliffe, Harmsworth, and Rothermere who lived in Germany throughout the Nazi era and the war, described well how the Germans got on with their lives a stones throw from the deathcamps. See her 1968 book The Past is Myself

Why not refer to Mad Max or the apocalypse? Really, lay it on thick like one of your conspiracy thrillers. Oooooh. NAZIs! The last time I checked, hyper-inflation has not lead Portlanders to fits of nationalistic Jew-killing. We have no desire to recapture our homeland of Beaverton or the southern province of Tigard.

>
> > Anyone who shows up for these clown-shows is seeking retribution or martyrdom or both. Ngo -- righteous martyr for the conservative cause, and he has the YouTube video to prove it!
>
> Ngo was working, doing his job as a journalist. That's a nauseating bit of shystring by you, blaming the victim for being beaten into a vegetable. What's more, it is prima facie hypocrisy: if it were a left-wing journalist put into hospital by masked thugs, you'd be outraged.

Nope, not if that left-wing journalist were a participant -- except that nobody should be beating on anyone. Like I said, prosecute all of them. Clear the streets.

> > I don't like Antifa either, and particularly when they tie up traffic or harass civilians. But I could care less about the usual suspects who show up to antagonize each other.
>
> Antifa is a bunch of street corner thugs not even bright enough to have a cohesive theory of their attraction to violence. The only fascists in America today with even a pretense to a theory -- corporatism and homosexuality-- is the Democratic Party, with Antifa doing its wet work, as they just did on Andy Ngo to cheers from the same-old media mouthpieces for the Clintons.
>
> > -- Jay Beattie.
>
> These students are so badly educated that they think what they think and do is new. It isn't:
>
> "In Italy the fascists are divided into two categories: the fascists and the anti-fascists." -- Ennio Flaiano (couldn't find a date but sometime in the 1950s or 1960s)
>
> "The lofty idea of 'the war on racism' is gradually turning into a hideously false ideology. And this anti-racism will be for the 21st century what Communism was for the 20th century: a source of violence." -- Alain Finkielkraut, 2005
>
> "In the Democrats' northern fiefdoms the cops increasingly behave as they did in the party's old southern fiefdoms - they're there not to keep the peace but to ensure that their buddies in the Klan - whoops, sorry, I mean Klantifa - get to give the designated "troublemakers" a bloody good hiding." -- Mark Steyn, 2019

Wow, what a flourish -- is that like chapter three of "The Portland Conspiracy!" Too bad the current reality is less vivid and has nothing to do with national movements of the past.

>
> Of course the genuine fascists of the Hitlerite stripe held their Kristallnacht for precisely the same reason as Antifa practices its violence, their inchoate claim that the free thought and speech of others is an aggression that justifies violence. Scum is as scum does. The Democratic leadership and flackery defending and egging on Antifa are equally scum. And so are their fellow-travellers and apologists, every single Democrat who doesn't condemn these events and Antifa forthrightly and unequivocally. Furthermore, attempts at moral equivalence ("Why was he there?" "Anyone who shows up for these clown-shows is seeking retribution or martyrdom or both.") are an insult to our intelligence.

The truth hurts.

>
> What do you call masked scum beating up a journalist and stealing his equipment? See https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1145105193647759360. What do you call the police who stand by and let it happen?

There were good people on both sides! BTW, the police are not everywhere all the time. There are only so many of them at these shindigs, and AFAIK, none were assigned as Andy Ngo's personal escort. Where were the Patriot Pray guys? I think they set him up just like King Herod set up Jesus.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

jbeattie wrote:
> The truth hurts.

If your feelings are hurt, declare yourself a minority group and wait for a Democrat presidential candidate (or several) to declare it his/her/its/their policy to give you taxpayer money in reparation.

Andre Jute

The hurtful truth of Portland being turned into Rwanda OR is below for sadomasochists who missed it first time round:

If your feelings are hurt, declare yourself a minority group and there will no doubt be a Democratic presidential candidate (or several) who'll want to give you taxpayer money to make you feel better.

[jbeattie]

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:29 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> jbeattie wrote:
> > The truth hurts.
>
> If your feelings are hurt, declare yourself a minority group and wait for a Democrat presidential candidate (or several) to declare it his/her/its/their policy to give you taxpayer money in reparation.
>
> Andre Jute
>
> The hurtful truth of Portland being turned into Rwanda OR is below for sadomasochists who missed it first time round:

Right. After my Sunday bike ride out the Columbia River Gorge, I walked over to my neighborhood brewpub with my wife. http://beerguypdx.blogspot.com/2013/07/sasquatch-brewing-company.html Very Rwandan. I can guaranty you that the Rwandans don't pay the taxes I do -- or as much for a pint of beer, although its worth it. Get the Woodboy -- a really good IPA. Not quite as good as Breakside, but still really good.

I was really, really disappointed with the beer in London, BTW, but the fish and chips were great.

Also on Sunday, while I was out riding, my wife was taking a walk on Terwilliger Blvd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyfxYtQrkBw -- which is also a commute route to work. Anyway, she has a movement disorder that makes it look like she had a stroke. The PPB actually stopped and asked if she was O.K., which I thought was sweet. I used to race with a PPB officer who kicked my ass for a decade. Nice guy. I used to deal with PPB much more when I was on the BTA board, but not so much anymore -- except when they found and returned my stolen Roubaix. They're nothing like the Faux news reports. I went to school with the governor and see the mayor now and then -- but I don't know him. My office is next to town hall. Reality is always more complicated and more personal than news reports. When you actually meet the people in the stories, you realized the stories are mostly bullshit to rally the base and sell advertising. There is bad stuff, homelessness, etc., etc. which is much more worthy of news coverage and concern than Antifa. In fact, I'd be more concerned with disaffected, basement dwelling alt-right radicals than the Antifa thugs. Antifa should be shut down, too, but they're pretty tame compared to some. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people

-- Jay Beattie.

[news18]

On Tue, 02 Jul 2019 15:15:29 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 4:35:20 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Monday, July 1, 2019 at 5:53:13 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:

>>
>> Why was he there?
>
> Andy Ngo was reporting for The Spectator, the oldest continuously
> published magazine in the world.

Means absolutley nothing these days. Plenty of "media' collect click bait
articles by paid agents.

[John B.]

On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 05:53:12 -0000 (UTC), news18 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

An interesting statement as "The Scots Magazine" was first published
in January 1776 and claims to be the oldest magazine in the world
still in publication while "The Spectator" was first published in
July 1828. But perhaps the confusion arises because almost certainly
the title was revived from The Spectator a daily publication founded
by Joseph Addison and Richard Steele in England, lasting from 1711 to
1712.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

Yo, Slow Johnny, thanks for the fact-check. You can be my new Google-bug, to replace one Carl Fogel/Vogel/whatever, who was a professional librarian but ran away. Or, more precisely, you can, as soon as you learn to read every word I write, and take the time to understand every word in its context, and of course whatever subtexts I give it, or ostentatiously refrain from giving it, as a message to the sophisticated (and wide-awake) reader. In this case, you're befuddled by missing out on the modifier "continuously" before "published". Do better.

Andre Jute
Relentless rigour -- Gaius Germanicus Ceasar

[John B.]

Well, I guess I'd be upset too if somebody pointed out that I didn't
know what I was talking.

By the way, did you ever lose enough weight to be able to ride your
bicycle up a hill? Or are you still using the "motor bike"?
--
cheers,

John B.

[Andre Jute]

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 6:25:40 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 8:08:29 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > jbeattie wrote:
> > > The truth hurts.
> >
> > If your feelings are hurt, declare yourself a minority group and wait for a Democrat presidential candidate (or several) to declare it his/her/its/their policy to give you taxpayer money in reparation.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> >
> > The hurtful truth of Portland being turned into Rwanda OR is below for sadomasochists who missed it first time round:
>
> Right. After my Sunday bike ride out the Columbia River Gorge, I walked over to my neighborhood brewpub with my wife. http://beerguypdx.blogspot.com/2013/07/sasquatch-brewing-company.html Very Rwandan. I can guaranty you that the Rwandans don't pay the taxes I do -- or as much for a pint of beer, although its worth it. Get the Woodboy -- a really good IPA. Not quite as good as Breakside, but still really good.
>
> I was really, really disappointed with the beer in London, BTW, but the fish and chips were great.

I don't drink beer, didn't even when on secondment from my ad agency to a brewery to design some new beers for them, one of which became huge among bottled premier beers. I used to drink wine but now, like most of my family who own vineyards, I don't drink.

> Also on Sunday, while I was out riding, my wife was taking a walk on Terwilliger Blvd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyfxYtQrkBw -- which is also a commute route to work. Anyway, she has a movement disorder that makes it look like she had a stroke. The PPB actually stopped and asked if she was O.K., which I thought was sweet. I used to race with a PPB officer who kicked my ass for a decade. Nice guy. I used to deal with PPB much more when I was on the BTA board, but not so much anymore -- except when they found and returned my stolen Roubaix. They're nothing like the Faux news reports. I went to school with the governor and see the mayor now and then -- but I don't know him. My office is next to town hall. Reality is always more complicated and more personal than news reports. When you actually meet the people in the stories, you realized the stories are mostly bullshit to rally the base and sell advertising. There is bad stuff, homelessness, etc., etc. which is much more worthy of news coverage and concern than Antifa. In fact, I'd be more concerned with disaffected, basement dwelling alt-right radicals than the Antifa thugs. Antifa should be shut down, too, but they're pretty tame compared to some. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

A lawyer who believes The Guardian, the poster paper for wishful thinkers and outright liars? Man, you need to send me everything you're smoking before the Bar Council discovers you've screwed your head for good.

The only reliable British paper is The Telegraph, known as 'the top people's paper" for a good reason, that they generally deal in facts.

Andre Jute
The Guardian is the educated hophead's version of the National Enquirer

[Andre Jute]

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 10:42:49 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:00:16 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute

Why should I be upset, Slow Johnny? You're doing a tedious little job for me for free. I always knew I could count on you.

> By the way, did you ever lose enough weight to be able to ride your
> bicycle up a hill? Or are you still using the "motor bike"?

Nah. That's just something else you didn't read carefully enough to understand. It's not about weight, it's about a heart rate limit that I negotiated with the therapists and my cardio team after heart surgery. The motor fills in any exertion above that level. Don't bust a gut about it; it probably isn't important to you.

> --
> cheers,

What do you have to be so cheerful about, or is it just a reflex knee-jerk?

> John B.

Andre Jute
Duh

[John B.]

I like it! Outstanding!

Someone points out that you don't know what you are talking about and
you reply with insults...
One would tend to think that the truth of the matter is that you
really don't know what you are talking about and rather than admit
the truth you embark on a attempt to obscure the facts with sarcasm.

But being a writer of fiction I suppose that comes naturally.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Sir Ridesalot]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL! It's the ONLY way to get rid of them.

Cheers

[Zen Cycle]

On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 7:08:18 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> You're projecting your crimes and immorality onto me.

Said the guy who clutches at pearls over a right-wing blogger getting roughed up, but never made a peep over the overt racist murders by white supremacists. Your lack of your ire over these is duly noted:

2014 - Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting by a Neo-Nazi
2016 - 2016 Ohio restaurant machete attack. Islamist attack on a Middle Eastern restaurant displaying an Israeli flag.
2018 - Pittsburgh synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
2018 - Los Angeles synagogue attack
2019 - Shooting at Chabad of Poway synagogue in Poway, California

It would laughable that you project the responsibility for hate crimes on the victims, if it weren't for the fact that it's your tacit support of the incidents that result in the continued motivation of the perpetrators.

> Go blow your spiteful spittle at your mirror.

You could give lessons, fucking hypocrite

> Charisma is the talent of inducing apoplexy in losers by merely e

> existing elegantly

For an example, see donald trump.


ZenCycle
Exposing Jute for the hate-mongering troll that he is.

[Tom Kunich]

At what point in the Portland history did someone need a "reason" to be on public property? At what point in Portland history did the police not protect people from ANY protestors?

The Portlamd government has became sick almost to the point of criminal activity.

[Tom Kunich]

The Antifa are the SAME people as Hitler's brownshirts and they should be treated as such. I would have had a different reaction than some journalist who was doing nothing but reporting what was going on.

Believe me Zen - if you were to make your comments to my face you would only do it once.

[Tom Kunich]

There is something wrong with you and getting worse Jay - A large group of thugs that the police allow to beat a man with a pipe shows what sort of minds are running Portland.

[Tom Kunich]

Andre - as far as I've been able to make out, Portland is the only fascist government in Oregon where cops from other areas have told me that if someone of these fascists were to raise a pipe to another citizen they would simply shoot him. No warning.

The comments that Jay has made are simply unbelievable. He actually writes that someone has to have a reason to be anywhere on public land! I cannot ever think of him again as a officer of any court of law.

[Tom Kunich]

For those unaware of it - The Scots Magazine was intermittently in print over the years. And mostly out of print since there isn't a great deal of interest by Scots for anything Scottish.

[Tom Kunich]

I went for a "vacation" to a local hostel with my wife since she had planned to go with her friend who canceled at the last minute because she had to take care of her grandchildren instead.

There were a couple of PhD's there. One, an Indian who is the chief developer of AI for a major company. The pressure is so high on him that he takes several days off occasionally and goes to a hostel where he can watch the brain dead Millennials acting as if they could even guess what the real world is. Since I've worked on AI myself we had an almost perfect understanding.

There was also another PhD, an Iranian immigrant who taught at Berkeley. We got along very well until the last day when he was making unkind comments about President Trump. It had to do with his sanctions on Iran. I said that the Iran Treaty had assigned IRAN to police themselves. He argued that he had read the treaty and that the UN was supposed to police the treaty. I sort of left it at that because every report I read (not the actual treaty language itself) had reported the same thing - that Iran was policing themselves.

Well, yesterday Iran told the UN that they had about 100 times more fissionable material than the treaty allowed. If the UN was policing that treaty how could this be? U235 has to be separated from U238 by a very long and complicated process. We know how many centrifuges they have and it would have taken almost the entire time since Obama first took office to separate that much material. So it would appear that my reports were correct and that Iran had never intended to actually stick to any "treaty". (These centrifuges are controlled by software reporting through the Internet so the US has always known when they were running.)

Other than this point the Iranian immigrant who got citizenship 30 years ago was a fine man.

One of the days we were flooded with Millennials who sickened me. The level of ignorance of most of them was remarkable. One was saying, "We have to run our government scientifically". Me and the other two old farts looked at each other trying to figure out what that was supposed to mean. I asked this guy about it and he mumbled something like "I was trained as an engineer" but later conversations gave me the idea that he had gotten a football scholarship and an injury prevented him from moving on to the pros as a linebacker. Our interaction left me with the opinion that he didn't even KNOW what science is.

Quite remarkably these people had voices like foghorns. They didn't seem to realize that there was anything in the world but themselves. In the middle of the night one even started playing his video game with the sound turned on totally ignoring everyone else in the dorm. Thank heavens this was only for a single day. I couldn't have taken two days of that. The women were just as bad with each telling everyone else where you could get drugs. Morocco seemed to be the hot spot with anything and everything legal. One was telling us about her husband and her many simultaneous boyfriends. That really gave me the creeps. Luckily the women had a separate shower. I did not want to catch any one of a dozen different sexually transmitted diseases that can infect you in other portions of your body.

But I returned up La Honda Road and there were literally hundreds of bicyclists mostly coming down but some also climbing up to Skyline. Alice's Restaurant seemed to have several hundred cars parked around it. No relation to the song. I should have taken a side road down but instead went the length of Skyline in order to go down and cross the San Mateo bridge which was as usual flooded with cars doing 80+ mph. I missed the freeway interchange because I could cross from the #2 lane to the #4 lane with loaded Doubles passing me at 75 mph on the 55 mph speed limited bridge.

Took the back streets home and even they are flooded with traffic these days. But I am entirely convinced that the world is going crazy. But of course I'm limited to a California point of view.

[Tom Kunich]

We now have two of our group that have contracted heart problems. Both now have pace-makers and both tried to ride as hard as before and had further problems. Now they ride like the sissies they have become. I simply do not push myself beyond what feels like a reasonable limit. That stops me from climbing with the group so I generally break off from them or don't even start.

I'm getting close to 2,000 miles now and 75,000 feet of climbing so it isn't as if I'm slacking off.

Now that we've had Jay's fascist comments and John (lives in Thailand where the REAL poor live) B. comments about US foreign policies while it is none of his business anymore, we have to wonder what is going on in their minds.

[Tom Kunich]

Do tell us what a "White Supremist" is. You and your ilk seem capable of inventing terms that never existed in history before. With an imagination like yours it is a surprise that you bother to attend this group. You surely don't know anything about bicycles.

[jbeattie]

I'm about to head out for lunch and will not fear for my life walking through downtown Portland -- unless I buy a corn dog at Safeway. I'll check for fascists before leaving the building. https://tinyurl.com/y3neknbr I'm way up in that white office building right now, looking down at City Hall -- no fascists to be seen. I better get moving.

If you want to worry about something, worry about the alt-right mass shooters. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people Worry about getting shot in Oakland. Worry about all the fevered reactionaries who believe what they see on the intenet. We'll manage our Antifa boys and girls. BTW, you know nothing about the PPB, among other things. So STFU. Thank you. Come again.

-- Jay Beattie.

[jbeattie]

If you're going to the play, at least read the program. The Brownshirts are the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. Antifa are the Bolsheviks. Its Fascists versus Communists. Antifa has no interest in racial purity or ultra-nationalism. If anything, they trend more towards Anarchism, which is another group of guys and gals with black bandannas and apparently short attention spans, because I don't see them much anymore.


-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

Jay Beattie wrote:
>We'll manage our Antifa boys and girls.

You should start soon, pal; looks to the rest of us that they're already out of control and the Dems are smugly along for the ride.

>BTW, you know nothing about the PPB, among other things. So STFU. Thank you. Come again.

"STFU"? Shut the fuck up? That's the best you can do? That's also the best Klantifa can do, because they don't have the wherewithal to make a rational argument.

Andre Jute
Always reasonable. Never shut up -- by anybody, including men with guns.

You should start soon, pal; they're already out of control.

>BTW, you know nothing about the PPB, among other things. So STFU. Thank you. Come again.

"STFU"? Shut the fuck up? That's the best you can do? That's also the best Klantifa can do, because they don't have the wherewithal to make a rational argument.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

So you should. It is deliberately an example of how to conduct a flame war effectively.

> Someone points out that you don't know what you are talking about and
> you reply with insults...

Nope. I thanked you for the effort and pointed out that your claim to have proven me wrong was mistaken because you hadn't read the point I made carefully enough. I didn't even say you were stupid, though that conclusion is inevitable.

> One would tend to think that the truth of the matter is that you
> really don't know what you are talking about

This is our third exchange, and you still haven't got it! The truth of the matter is that I am right unless you can prove that The Spectator is *not* the longest *continuously* published magazine in the world. Christ man, you hold yourself up as a master mechanic. So apply a little of that self-vaunted precision to words as well.

> and rather than admit
> the truth you embark on a attempt to obscure the facts with sarcasm.

You insulted me, you tried to be sarcastic, then in return for doing my fact checking for me, if incompetently, I showed you how a professional wordsmith puts down an ignorant ankle-nipper, and you complain about your little hurt feelings? Geez, man, are you some kind of sullen teenager?

Let's again see Slow Johnny being stubbornly stupid, not to mention offensive:

>you embark on a attempt to obscure the facts

Listen up, Slow Johnny: I do words for a living. When I want to obscure something, you'll never feel the scalpel going in. It's beyond arrogant for you to believe that I would merely "attempt" obfuscation, the same way it would be arrogant for me to believe that with your emery paper and your oily rag you cannot fit up two machine components identically -- a mistake I would never make.

> But being a writer of fiction I suppose that comes naturally.

There you go again with another unfounded, outright ignorant sneer. You have just assumed, willynilly, that fiction is all I write; that makes you an ass, because it is another faulty assumption, easily corrected, though I can't be bothered to correct a worthless ingrate like you.

> --
> cheers,, willy
> John B.

Slainte!

Andre Jute
Noblesse oblige

[Andre Jute]

Since I came to cycling late in life, I found it impossible to learn to vary my cadence. As a result I've always regulated my output on the bike by my heart rate, so having a maximum heart rate regime enforced was simply a continuation of a previous routine, though at a modestly lower level (after I renegotiated the standard level I was first instructed to observe). One tip for your riding companions: My cardiologist insists on warm-up *and* warm-down. Fortunately my house is geographically situated so that I can just jump on the bike and start gently as a warmup, and ditto for returning from the other direction being warm-down.

> I'm getting close to 2,000 miles now and 75,000 feet of climbing so it isn't as if I'm slacking off.

Holy shit. I live among hills (my country town is often referred to as "the Rome of West Cork") but even if I rode on the highest hills every day of the week that still be less than a 1000 feet, so in half a year you've already done what would take me a year and a half.

> Now that we've had Jay's fascist comments and John (lives in Thailand where the REAL poor live) B. comments about US foreign policies while it is none of his business anymore, we have to wonder what is going on in their minds.

Groupthink. I'm not surprised Slow Johnny, who is a pompous ass and not very bright, succumbs to it, but Jay, who is brighter, is in the vise being slowly squeezed between his lifelong commitment to a Democrat party that has deserted him, as it deserted Ronald Reagan (a superior union leader and a Democrat after his acting career ran out), for regions of uncharted irrationality and the murderously irrational force of blackshirtism.

Andre Jute
As I grow older, it takes less and less time for my lonely stands for the truth to be proved right. Fancy that!

[Andre Jute]

I specifically didn't tell Slow Johnny that what he has to prove to prove me wrong is that The Spectator was published intermittently, which is how come I kept emphasising "continuously". I was going to drag it out for a week or two while the wretched little man came face to face with his own inadequacy, meanwhile going nuts trying to prove something unprovable about The Spectator.

Andre Jute
Boss psychologist

[Andre Jute]

Exactly. The very nub of the matter. At what point, Jay, did the police in Portland have to approve of a citizen's politics before they extend protection to him? As a lawyer, do you think Andy Ngo, a citizen assaulted by a mob while police were on duty, should sue the City, the Mayor, and his incompetent or corrupt police department?

Andre Jute
Enquiring minds want to know

[jbeattie]

Hmmmm. You're in Ireland reading alt-right curated bullshit, and I'm here in Portland. Tell me about Portland Antifa being out of control. Maybe I can tell you all about the IRA. BTW, on Andy Ngo, more grist for the mill: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys

I didn't see any Antifa on my way to the burrito cart, and in fact the burrito lady and I had a good laugh about the alt-right dopes being infatuated with Portland. We're waiting for the alt-right to get a tourist trolley. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vPHVJe3ViWc/TgZ8Prh8jRI/AAAAAAAABf8/s-WTc2Q5W-s/s1600/613.jpg Maybe the locals could stage Antifa versus Proud Boy rumbles, like the staged gunfights at Frontier Village when I was a kid. Entertainment for the Faux News crowd. It would be just as real for them.

>
> >BTW, you know nothing about the PPB, among other things. So STFU. Thank you. Come again.
>
> "STFU"? Shut the fuck up? That's the best you can do? That's also the best Klantifa can do, because they don't have the wherewithal to make a rational argument.

Tell us more about some local thugs representing national movements as consequential as Italian fascists. The rise of Hitler on SW Third and Salmon. Its just more bad fiction writing. Why engage -- it's nonsense arguing about 1930s European politics in the context of a local feud between Portland Antifa and Andy Ngo.

More importantly, in terms of actual threats, the killers in Oregon have been from your side. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/man_accused_in_max_attack_cont.html
Indeed, the recent mass shootings have been by basement wanking, disaffected Incels and other products of the extreme right. Antifa are pikers by comparison.

I'm happy to assist in the prosecution of any Atifa member who commits a crime -- but we Portlanders don't need any assistance from the gawkers on the Tucker Carlson tour bus. Exit left through the gift shop and STFU.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

Eh? Unless I somehow missed that the Proud Boys (of whom I heard for the first time today) and Patriot Prayer (whoever they may be) are queer, that is an analogy so far into imprecision even Slow Johnny would be proud of it. See, Ernst Roehm's brownshirts were disruptive socialists well to the left of Hitler's (blackshirted) national socialists -- and their leadership was homosexual*, which is one reason (the main one was that Army leadership, which Hitler needed to consolidate his power, despised the "degenerate" Roehm, who stood in the way of the stability the Army demanded) why Hitler murdered them on the weekend of 30 June 1934.

I'm just putting that down for the precision of the historical record. For myself, I see zero difference between Hitler's Nazi Party and Joe Stalin's Communist Party, or between their leaders, or their philosophies, such as they were.

*Current pundits, especially the empty suits on television, seem to think Americans invented homosexuality as a driver of party and intra-party politics. Clearly not so.

Andre Jute
Just for the record

[jbeattie]

Ah, never, except in alt-right fantasy land. What I love is that the usual claims are that the Police collude with Patriot Prayer. It must get tiring for PPB to be colluding with so many people. https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/02/14/texts-between-portland-police-and-patriot-prayer-ringleader-joey-gibson-show-warm-exchange/

As a lawyer, do you think Andy Ngo, a citizen assaulted by a mob while police were on duty, should sue the City, the Mayor, and his incompetent or corrupt police department?

The police are always on duty. Do you have part-time police. Not here in Portland -- full time, baby. Regrettably, the police are not everywhere all the time. They didn't stop the right-wing lunatic Jeremy Christian from stabbing to death two MAX riders. https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2019/04/26/im-the-victim-declares-max-stabber-jeremy-christian-in-courtroom-rant/

They were not escorting Andy Ngo, and from what I can see in the 30 second video, they were not in that crowd -- although alt-right media would have you believe they were standing there eating popcorn and clapping. Even Faux news is backing down, which seems reasonable since they've already arraigned three people involved in the assault. https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-release-photos-of-suspects-in-violent-antifa-clashes-that-injured-conservative-writer

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

From the latest apologia for Klantifa from Jay Beattie (the rest is at the bottom):
>...we Portlanders don't need any assistance from the gawkers on the Tucker Carlson tour bus. Exit left through the gift shop and STFU.

-- Jay Beattie.

Who is Tucker Carlson?

Andre Jute
Who is John Galt?

[Andre Jute]

Jay Beattie wants to know:

>Do you have part-time police [in Ireland][?].

No, nor local police in the sense that Portland has its own police force. There is only one force, the Garda Siochana (several character accents missing), and it is national and full-time, and essentially incorruptible. Of course, that doesn't stop the police being selective about what they report to the prosecution service for prosecution; for instance, statutes against jaywalking aren't rigorously enforced because a Police Commissioner in the depths of history decided it would estrange his force from the populace to enforce such a petty rule. The police here are for the most part extremely agreeable and easygoing, especially in the countryside. I imagine the criminal classes may give a different report but I'm talking about police attitudes to the law-abiding.

There's more from Jay below but I've made all my points, so I'll pass.

Andre Jute
Proceeding calmly at flank speed

[jbeattie]

If you're going to be Mr. Portland pundit, you better learn the players. It's like a bad opera. https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/03/11/neo-nazis-saw-patriot-prayer-rallies-as-fertile-recruitment-grounds-and-targeted-local-newspapers-to-gain-publicity/

-- Jay Beattie

[Andre Jute]

Jay Beattie is in jocular mood:

>> If you're going to be Mr. Portland pundit, you better learn the players. It's like a bad opera. https://www.wweek.com/news/2019/03/11/neo-nazis-saw-patriot-prayer-rallies-as-fertile-recruitment-grounds-and-targeted-local-newspapers-to-gain-publicity/
>
> -- Jay Beattie

Forsooth, I will not. I have better fish to fry, and I'm hungry.

Andre Jute
Pity about Portland. Up the Willamette Valley is beautiful.

[John B. Slocomb]

As you say, I do not live in the U.S. and haven't for some years so I
have never heard of the "Antifa"so I had to read up on them on the Net
and I read:

The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of left-wing autonomous,
militant anti-fascist groups in the United States... Activists
involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to
a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists,
socialists and communists...

This hardly sounds like the Brownshirts, actual name "The
Sturmabteilung", literally Storm Detachment, was the Nazi Party's
original paramilitary.Its primary purposes were providing protection
for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of opposing
parties, especially the Communist Party of Germany (KPD), and
intimidating Romani, trade unionists, and, especially, Jews.

It appears that you have gotten it wrong (yet again) as the Antifa are
described as being very Left Wing... anarchists, socialists and
communists.

While the Brownshirts seem to have been exactly the opposite and
attacked communists and trade unions and other such socialist
organizations.

--

Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

If you can't see parallels (if not inspiration,emulation)
between antifa and Mussolini's Black Shirts of 1922 you need
some perspective.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[jbeattie]

There are parallels between Nazism and the soup Nazi. There are parallels between Everclear and Kambucha. One can find parallels practically anywhere.

Recall that Hitler and Mussolini were both elected to public office. People voted for them and followed them willingly after they declared themselves leaders for life. The Italians were willing participants until they had had enough, and the Germans fought until the end -- hundreds of thousands dying for das fuhrer. So far, I have not seen Antifa on the ballot. I will certainly vote "no" if they run a candidate.

Maybe there is some parallel, but what is the likelihood that the milkshake wielding punks on Third and Main, Portland Oregon are going to take over the United States, including Tulsa, Fargo and Phoenix? Zero. On the other hand, having an elected president suggesting that eight years might not be enough -- and that his supporters would be very angry if he weren't reelected suggests a much greater threat. Enraged alt-right Incel basement dwellers engaging in mass killings present a much greater threat.

Should Antifa assailants be prosecuted -- obviously yes, and they are in Portland. Three were arraigned before Andre could even finish his dissertation on the collapse of Western civilization via Portland. But do they represent an existential threat to our existence individually or as a nation? No.

BTW, I would be happy if the worst of the modern trends actually followed historical paradigms -- but they don't. There is no historical precedent for the sort of psychopathology we're seeing today, at least no modern precedent. Why do we have so many mass shootings? Why do we even have Antifa, Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, the American Nazi Party and other new or resurgent lunatic fringe groups? Really, its not economic if you believe the numbers -- no hyperinflation or onerous obligation to pay reparations to France. It's not a response to black satan Obama who is long out of office and left peacefully. I don't think the moon's gravitational force has changed.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Andre Jute]

On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 4:42:31 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote to Jay Beattie:

> If you can't see parallels (if not inspiration,emulation)
> between antifa and Mussolini's Black Shirts of 1922 you need
> some perspective.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it." But there is someone in more recent history we can fix the blame on: Herbert Marcuse.

Andre Jute
Jusdafaxmam

[Andre Jute]

On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 11:26:32 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
>
>There are parallels between Nazism and the soup Nazi.

What's a "soup Nazi"?

[Tom Kunich]

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 12:57:47 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:

Jay, I'm still waiting for you to answer why anyone in Portland would have to watch his speech which was not aggressive. Or why the police didn't feel the need to protect a citizen of this country from being beaten, sprayed with pepper spray and struck with a pipe that gave him a brain hemorrhage when they were standing RIGHT THERE and did absolutely nothing under the orders of your kind of man?

[Tom Kunich]

When the tactics are identical the groups are identical whichever side they are on. But in your world extreme violence is OK as long as it is for your own politics.

[Tom Kunich]

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 3:15:39 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>
> Andre Jute
> Noblesse oblige

After the comments of Jay implying that free speech has no place in Portland I think that we can safely categorize him and understand why he couldn't care less about homeless or drug addicts supplied non-stop by illegal aliens.

[jbeattie]

Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_v._Henry

Please STFU, along with all the other tin-foil hat whack-jobs tying up our police dispatchers with alt-right whining. https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2019/07/04/out-of-state-callers-inundate-portland-emergency-dispatchers-with-complaints-about-the-june-29-protest/

We'll take care of our problems here, which pale in comparison to Oakland. https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/3-oakland/#4c3153957d73 Try not to get shot walking to the market.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

That's pretty surprising. 2 miles from my home is a 600 ft hill that I climb over, drop down again and then climb another 200 feet to the top of a hill where we meet. Then it is 900 ft to the top of Redwood Rd. to Muriel Gate. We then descend and turn and climb (little) Pinehurst which is 600 feet followed by Valley which is about 200 ft but 11% so it is somewhat of a killer.

Palomares is 1,000 ft but I only do that in one direction. It also is followed by a number of rollers which add another couple of hundred feet and then a final hill into Castro Valley which is another 150 feet but only 5%. I climb that leaving it in the big ring.

I did Stage Road from Pescadero to San Gregorio and returned last Thursday and it was 1400 feet of climbing of 5,6 and 7%. In general I do not count anything less than 5% as climbing unless it is part of a hard climb.

We have far more trying climbs such as Mt. Diablo at 3,850, Mt Tamalpias at almost 2,600 feet and of course Mt Hamilton at 4,265 ft. This one has a front side that is 7% since the observatory was originally constructed in 1887 and hence all of the materials for the observatory were hauled to the top via mule train and they won't pull over 7%. The backside is Mines Rd though and that is a different story. This leaves from Livermore and ascends about a thousand feet to the "halfway house" café. From there you start up "The Wall" as its called and that is STEEP. 12% or more on the turns. The north side of Mt. Diablo is also pretty steep at about a constant 8-9% over a long distance. The last 100 feet up Mt. Diablo is 24%. That is steep enough that most people cannot make it and choose to walk.

While the south to north ride up Palomares Rd. is pretty mild there are very steep portions of it that read 12%. The north to south though is a killer. Most of the 1,000 ft occurs over only one mile with 9% blending into 10% then increasing to 11% and then over the top at 12% though some people say it hits 13% I haven't seen that.

On the north side of the Golden Gate Bridge you can rise up Cozelman Rd. This rises to 800 feet if memory serves. it is about 8% for most of the way from the bridge. The other side that goes down to Ft. Baker is 18% over a long distance for that sort of grade. Some people climb it for fun.

Even the "easy" 700 foot Dublin Grade which is only 5-6% has a side road - Shafer Ranch Rd. that starts at 16%, climbs about 200 feet and at the top "flattens" to 13%.

Each year, normally, I have about 250,000 feet of climbing though I imagine that this year I'll be below that.

[Tom Kunich]

Again you show your mind. What exactly is it with white leftists that they believe that their view is the only view? That anywhere on the left coast that any leftist protestors are not touched by police no matter what they do goes without saying.

Give us another piece of click bait from some leftist lame stream media. The violence in Oakland is among gangs and coincidental deaths are treated as no big deal. Just like you're treating the near murder of a reporter as no big deal because he holds opposite political views from yours.

[AMuzi]

I thought it was all peace and love:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/johnson/article/Buddha-seems-to-bring-tranquillity-to-Oakland-5757592.php

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/5/2019 1:00 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> The violence in Oakland is among gangs and coincidental deaths are treated as no big deal.

You need to move far away from that hell hole.

Why can't you get a job that will pay enough for you to do that? I mean,
a man of your brilliance and experience should have employers wining and
dining him!

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

You're such a dim dingbat, Slow Johnny. I've already explained above why Ernst Roehm's Brownshirts were far left-wingers. But let me spell it out for you. Hitler, a socialist and leader of the National Socialist or NaZi party for short, killed Roehm and the rest of the Brownshirt's leadership because the Army, whose support Hitler required to institute an elected dictatorship, demanded stability, and Roehm wanted his revolution to continue, that is, he was well to the left of Hitler who was courting the Prussian Establishment, which was essentially the Army. There was also an element of sexual politics, just as there is today, in that the Junkers (that's about 90% the same thing as the German Establishment, and the Army High Command too) found Roehm's homosexuality disgusting. Basically, Stalin had Trotsky killed (well, besides the fact that Trotsky knew how little Lenin valued Stalin, so that Stalin couldn't rewrite history to move himself centrestage during the Bolshevik Revolution until Trotsky and a whole bunch of other Old Bolsheviks were dead) for the same reason, that Trotsky believed in everlasting revolution and Stalin was in power and consolidating and expanding his power, and did want any sideshow bovvers right then.

An exercise you may want to consider it to consider whether the "crowdsourced" information on Wikipedia isn't written by Klantifa and its sympathisers. You might also want to consider why Hitler, an explicit socialist, is called a "right-winger", and by whom, and what they have to gain, when that other massmurdering socialist thug, Stalin, to the Left is Dear Uncle Joe. Everything gets easier to understand once you go past the labels biased people have laid on them, and see them both as left-wing totalitarian thugs and murderers.

Andre Jute
Prayer for today: Oh, oh woe, save me from jumped-up mechanics with a link to Google!

[Andre Jute]

Jay Beattie insists:

> Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

Andre Jute
"Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union, Klantifa permitting."

[jbeattie]

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> Jay Beattie insists:
>
> > Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.
>
> That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.

You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .

-- Jay Beattie.

[Tom Kunich]

In an almost continuous string ALL Snowflakes say the same thing - that President Trump is a fascist despite the fact that fascism is the inevitable result of socialism and the necessity for a socialist government to obtain total control of their countries.

While the socialists here are crying for more power over the people they are calling President Trump a fascist for removing progressively more and more government controls.

As you say, the morons do not know any history and they do not even know the actual definition of the terms they do easily throw about.

[Tom Kunich]

You're funnier by the posting. 100 murders by the far right? There are nearly that many murders in Oakland alone and nearly ALL drug related and involved with the Mexican drug cartels - you know, the one's that the Democrats allow to run the cities?

[Andre Jute]

A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.

Andre Jute
Don't let your son go to law school, Mrs Worthington

[Andre Jute]

It's worse than that. Some of them aren't stupid. Paul Johnson, in the mists of history himself an influential left-winger (he started out as Bertrand Russell's confidential secretary, and went from there to be one of the best writers ever on the New Statesman and later its editor, wrote in The Enemies of Society (1977) that the first business of the Left is always to undermine the meaning of words. In Marxist theory this debilitation of our language, the most common form of communication and the very root of rationality, is called the Dialectic, in which Marxist, and neo-marxist and nebbish-Marxists too, give themselves the right to alter the meaning of the words every time they lose the argument. We're living through a wave of this most common and unimaginative Marxist tactic.

Andre Jute
We should be as lucky to grow as old in wisdom as Paul Johnson

[John B.]

And of course Orwell, in a book published in 1949, outlined exactly
the same thing.
--
cheers,

John B.

[jbeattie]

Show me one Antifa killing. I don't approve of them, but so far, they've been relatively harmless. Also, there is absolutely no evidence that they were standing there allowing the assault.

Andy Ngo is not in a hospital with a brain bleed. He was apparently observed and released.

-- Jay Beattie

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:05:45 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:29:21 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute

It's a fairly common theme among thoughtful writers, worth dusting off every generation or so, maybe every decade now that thing move so hastily, soon perhaps every year...

Orwell also wrote a pair of sharp essays, "Politics and the English Language" and "The Prevention of Literature", on the abuse of words for political gain, which were given to me by John Blackwell, editorial director at Martin Secker & Warburg, who were Orwell's publishers of record as well as mine. I took tea a few times with Orwell's widow, Sonia, who graciously gave a young writer hints on advancing himself ("Don't cross swords with the literary advisor [a semi-detached temple dog at any literary publishing house], outlive him instead"), but the subject of abuse of the language didn't arise, perhaps because she assumed that any Secker author (she was one too) featured on such a prestigious list because he already honoured the received meaning of words.

Andre Jute
Sometimes I wish I kept a diary

[Andre Jute]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 5:39:18 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
> On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 2:29:33 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 11:24:35 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > Jay Beattie insists:
> > > >
> > > > > Free speech receives more protection in Oregon than any state in the union.
> > > >
> > > > That's the funniest thing I've read in a week. If Jay had added only two words -- "Klantifa permitting", it would have been Shakespearean tragi-comedy.
> > >
> > > You might want to brush up on the US Constitution. The last time I checked, the Klantifa was not the state. Proud Boys, Nazis and Patriot prayer are beating down and shutting up -- running over and shooting -- their fair share of people. https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people Absent criminal conduct, individuals can tell other individuals to STFU. In fact . . .
> > >
> > > -- Jay Beattie.
> >
> > A friendly hint in your shell-like, Jay: people who present the Southern Poverty Law Center as a source cannot expect any respect, and are likely to be suspected of being totally out of touch with reality. The SPLC is currently embroiled in its own scandals: its leadership apparently fondled women and harassed minorities on the staff. The writer of the article you referred us to has "alleged perpetrators" in the first sentence, besides the fact that the SPLC is unreliable and biased, even the reporter is embarrassed at having to cite their allegation. Let's have some facts instead of allegations. Andy Ngo is in hospital with a brain haemorrhage cause by being beaten up with pipes by Antifa while the Portland Police looked on. That's a fact. Attempts by the SPLC to blow the smoke of moral equivalence over this hard fact with pipe dream "allegations" is not a fact, but smoke.
> >
>
> Show me one Antifa killing.

Show me where I'm supposed to have stated that Klantifa killed anyone.

Yet. With your enablement, and the mayor's, and the police chief's, probably sooner rather than later.

Keep your back to the wall.

Andre Jute
At least I'm not a limo liberal whining about moral equivalence

[Sir Ridesalot]

If it were not for the Trolls on this newsgroup and those who reply to them (thus letting the Trolls pass our Killfiles) there'd be very little action on this newsgroup.

Oh for the days when this newsgroup was about BICYCLES.

Cheers

[Sepp Ruf]

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:39:18 AM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:

>> Show me one Antifa killing.

<http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.eu/pelotons/coureurs.php?c=21562>

> Oh for the days when this newsgroup was about BICYCLES.

You could discuss who, to be safe from American kindergarden antifa, will
need to dump their well-maintained Bianchi bikes, new Pirelli tires, and
black bicycling attire (for AMuzi to pick up for centesimi on the dollar.)

[Tom Kunich]

Can you tell us why the hospital and his doctors reported a brain hemorrhage and you're attempting to make as little of that as possible? Because he isn't in the hospital NOW it was perfectly OK in your book?

[Tom Kunich]

While I am in agreement with your position that this is a bicycle group, let's please remember that as of now bicyclists are a minority on public roads and lawlessness can easily effect you and I a great deal more than reporters.

This was a very serious proposition and I see fewer and fewer cyclists on the roads exactly where you would expect to see more - around colleges and inner cities.

I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe. And they were riding far out in the countryside and not in the city.

In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself (for driving suspiciously - I was doing the speed limit) and that caused the cop to notice that my tag was out of date. And that was the result of my not knowing that I had to have a smog test that automatically reported the results to the DNV. They still had my money but it was too much trouble for them to remind me that the older type smog test was no longer allowed.

Lately cars have ceased even making a show of trying to stop at stop signs. I have watched MANY cars drive straight through red lights LONG after the light had changed. This was so common that the cross traffic at that intersection expected it and waited for this guy to go through at 50 mph. Yesterday my friend was riding next to me about 3 inches out of the bicycle lane and despite the road being 12 ft wide at that location a passing car laid on the horn.

People that believe that they are the center of the universe and a police department that doesn't believe that they actually have a job to do are an extremely dangerous combination to bicyclists do this subject is really important.

[jbeattie]

The hospital said nothing, and HIPAA would prevent them from saying anything. Ngo and Ngo's attorney reported that he was out of the hospital by Sunday night, indicating a single night of observation and the typical long discharge process. No indication that he was prescribed anti-epileptics or the usual treatments for non-surgical "brain bleeds."

We really have no idea of what he means by a "brain bleed." His videos and tweets following the attack clearly indicate that he did not have severe inter-cranial bleeding at that time. After you got knocked out, were you tweeting and making videos? You probably don't remember.

Ngo's post-assault field neuro exam is on video. Watch it. He's oriented to time and place, verbal, fluid with no apparent neurologic deficit. I used to do Glasgow coma scores all the time working ambulance. Andy was 15/15.

Assault is not O.K., I'm not running interference for Antifa -- and I hate them for other reasons, e.g. assaulting civilians and blocking traffic. The same reasons I hate the alt-right groups. Ngo, however, is part of the over-all WWF downtown clown-show prompted by the appearance of the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, etc. NGO had been pelted with milkshakes even before the assault -- which he stopped to photograph with his iPhone and/or his GoPro on a self-stick. He's the guy in goggles, which I guess are typical journalist garb. Along with GoPros and selfie-sticks.
https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/chelly11-768x513.jpg

PPB was not escorting Ngo or even present when he was assaulted. The narrative that they just stood-by and watched is false. PPB is typically tasked with keeping the groups apart and tend to mass where the groups are coming together. They do not "embed" themselves in the groups, AFAIK.

PPB gets criticized because they don't act like Storm Troopers, and then when they act like Storm Troopers, they get criticized. It sucks to be PPB. But it sucks even more when a bunch of out of state alt-right or alt-left rubber-neckers get involved.

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 11:33:08 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I saw a great many cyclists last week, but the odd thing about it was that almost all of them were 40 or older. This is very much the opposite of Europe.

Hmm. Maybe we need to adopt the policies of Europe? You know, that damned
socialistic mindset? ;-)

> In the 8 years I've been "awake" since my concussion I have never seen ONE traffic ticket issued to anyone but myself...

Wow. In my little suburban village, it's not unusual to see cops writing tickets
more than once per day. I don't know if that's somehow connected to this being
one of the safest communities in the state, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Tom, you need to A) get someone to recognize your (undocumented) brilliance and
give you a good job; B) Sell some of that half million fortune you claim to
have in the markets; and most important:

C) Use the resulting money to move out of that hell hole.

Every day you stay there and whine about your surroundings adds evidence that
you're sadly lacking in success.

- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 12:49:54 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
>
> PPB gets criticized because they don't act like Storm Troopers, and then when they act like Storm Troopers, they get criticized. It sucks to be PPB.

I have several friends who are cops or ex-cops. Each of them is dedicated to
doing well at a very difficult job - a job I'd never, ever want to tackle.

- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

When asked, "What is Fascism?" Mussolini, noted expert on
the subject, replied, "Everything inside the State. Nothing
outside the State. Nothing against the State."

Sounds much like Bernie or Stalin or Marx himself to me.

[Tom Kunich]

Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000, Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?

And according to American bicycle manufacturers you have to be a capitalist to be able to afford top of the line bikes. But according to Frank you have to be a socialist.

Specialty road bikes and MTB's account for almost $1.1 Billion in 2018. Another sign that Frank really knows what he is talking about.

[John B.]

It is a bit puzzling isn't it?

Here we have is a very wealthy individual who seems to, apparently,
be too poor to purchase quality made carbon fiber bicycle wheels, and
now complains about how poor the quality of the cheap Chinese wheels
that he did purchase.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Chalo]

Frank Krygowski wrote:
> I have several friends who are cops or ex-cops. Each of them is dedicated to
>doing well at a very difficult job - a job I'd never, ever want to tackle.

Yeah... fuck those guys. Bad cops drove away good cops a long time ago. What's left is either criminals under color of authority, or those who'll acquiesce to/support the criminals.

[Frank Krygowski]

On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 5:31:35 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000, Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?

Because you constantly whine here about the horrors of the area near you, and
blame it all on people whose views are not as nutty as yours.

If you like it there, quit whining about how terrible it is. If you don't like it
there, move.

- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

Without naming them, because I've forgotten their names as irrelevant people, a belated toast to several now-gone posters to this forum who believed that Mussolini's corporatism, so well encapsulated above, meant that his government was of and for the corporations, the industrialists, the business bosses

Andre Jute
Heh-heh

[Frank Krygowski]

Not where I live.

Here's a "good cop" story, from a couple decades ago. When I was teaching, I
often did my grading of big projects very late at night. So one night, I was
in my study overlooking our driveway at about 2 AM, working away.

Suddenly there was a knock on the door. I was startled, of course. I went to the
door and saw a policewoman on the porch, and her patrolman partner standing
behind her on the drive about ten feet back, apparently to cover her if there
had been a problem.

I said "Can I help you??" She said "Is everything OK in there?" I said yes, and
asked why.

She said "We've noticed that when you're working late, the living room lights
are usually off. But they're on tonight. We just wanted to make sure."

I think that was good work. I have no problem with these cops. They wave to me
when I ride past, they've helped me on volunteer projects. They're good people.

Sorry if it's different down there.

- Frank Krygowski

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 12:29:25 AM UTC+1, Chalo wrote:
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > I have several friends who are cops or ex-cops. Each of them is dedicated to
> >doing well at a very difficult job - a job I'd never, ever want to tackle.

Much as I hate to agree with Franki-boy... when he rarely gets something right, he is entitled to agreement.

> Yeah... fuck those guys. Bad cops drove away good cops a long time ago. What's left is either criminals under color of authority, or those who'll acquiesce to/support the criminals.

The police here are friendly and courteous and very helpful. I think it has to do with the fact they are unarmed and with the absence of guns in the hands of the public (the vast majority of crims don't have guns either). The police don't expect violence. I've noticed the same thing in that handful of *very* civilised countries in the world where the police are unarmed.

Contrast a cop in Virginia who stopped me for an speeding offence -- which was binned in the DA's office anyway because I was on a diplomatic passport -- with an unholstered weapon.

Andre Jute
Fair to a fault

[news18]

On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:14:51 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:


>
> Can you tell us why the hospital and his doctors reported a brain
> hemorrhage and you're attempting to make as little of that as possible?
> Because he isn't in the hospital NOW it was perfectly OK in your book?

Similar to a lot of injuries, brain heamorrhages come in degrees and they
range from inattributable to attributable. wise medical profesinals often
talk about "likely related to".

If he is from out of town, then he has to be guilty of something.

[news18]

On Sun, 07 Jul 2019 14:31:32 -0700, Tom Kunich wrote:

> On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 10:23:27 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:

///////////////////

>> Tom, you need to A) get someone to recognize your (undocumented)
>> brilliance and give you a good job; B) Sell some of that half million
>> fortune you claim to have in the markets; and most important:
>>
>> C) Use the resulting money to move out of that hell hole.
>>
>> Every day you stay there and whine about your surroundings adds
>> evidence that you're sadly lacking in success.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000,
> Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?

1)you can not take the $$$$ with you, so you'd be smarter to exchange
some of it for a better locale now.

BTW, it is only your "home" if it is in what we call strata title, aka ou
do not actually own the land.

If it is "house and land" then you could easily live in a hovel on $600k
worth of land. sort of reminds me of the old guy in the movie Up.

[AMuzi]

> Without naming them, because I've forgotten their names as irrelevant people, a belated toast to several now-gone posters to this forum who believed that Mussolini's corporatism, so well encapsulated above, meant that his government was of and for the corporations, the industrialists, the business bosses
>
> Andre Jute
> Heh-heh
>

The much-invoked "means of production" are us.

[John B.]

Perhaps that is true in the U.S. today but when I was a kid I had an
uncle that was a deputy sheriff and he was a good guy :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

But, if he moved he'd certainly find something to complain about at
the next place :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank lives in a little berg in the middle of nowhere and thinks everyone should. A small bag of groceries good for one or two days cost $56 here now and this man believes that planning for the future is unnecessary. Is it any surprise that I don't believe you've ever worked a real job?

[Tom Kunich]

It's pretty easy to tell that Chalo is a criminal that pops in to make noise.

[Tom Kunich]

Well if you ask Jay about that I'm sure that he would agree that anyone from outside of "the hill" in Portland, isn't worth bothering with.

[Tom Kunich]

And the ideals of the Democrat party now are to use us as little more than robots to further their goals.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/8/2019 9:54 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 6:22:06 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 5:31:35 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Tell us all: Since my home, which is paid for, is now worth $700,000, Why would I need to cash in my investments to move elsewhere?
>>
>> Because you constantly whine here about the horrors of the area near you, and
>> blame it all on people whose views are not as nutty as yours.
>>
>> If you like it there, quit whining about how terrible it is. If you don't like it
>> there, move.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank lives in a little berg in the middle of nowhere and thinks everyone should.

Nope. I think a person should not live in misery, as you apparently do;
and subject everyone else to his constant complaining, as you definitely
do.

I lived for a while in a place that I generally didn't like. I didn't
complain nearly as much as you do. Instead, I found a good job and nice
home elsewhere.

> A small bag of groceries good for one or two days cost $56 here now ...

See what I mean about whining?

I wouldn't blink at spending $56 on a small bag of groceries. If I want
it, I buy it. I can easily afford it.

If things like that cause you so much dismay, you should do something to
change the situation. Whining about it on this newsgroup just makes you
sound like an impotent snowflake. Man up!


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

You are the one that talked about finances and then when given answers refer to it as whining. Only someone with an extremely sick mind does things like that. It must irk you to no end that as a self educated engineer I've been 100 times more successful than you.

Maybe you can hold a discussion with John - another failure in life - and invent a dozen other things like his claims that I said I discovered HIV. Or that I said that I have $700,000 in the market. You two make a couple matched in heaven and betwixt the two of you you lick the platter clean. While others look on in awe.

[John B.]

Yesterday you were entertaining us with your stories of how rich you
were - $700,000 in investments and riding a $4000 bicycle. Now you are
worried about spending $50 on groceries.

As someone said - Move away from there. Get out in the country and you
could raise your own veggies and even have a pig and a cow and a few
chickens and become self sufficient.
--
cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Right, a failure in life.

After all, I've been happily married to the same woman for 50 years,
own two homes, have sufficient funds to support myself and my wife for
the rest of our lives without working, am reasonably healthy and am
intelligent enough to live in areas where I am quite contented and
don't have to weep and cry about the horrible foreigners moving in and
generally feel I've lived the" good life".

Too bad you couldn't have planned your life better and become a
failure like me. Than you wouldn't have to moan and cry about your
plight.
--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

My, how your little mind works. I said that I have $500,000 in investments and that my home is worth $700,000. But your mind obviously seized on numbers that large and made you so dizzy that you cry.

[Tom Kunich]

That must be some happy life - living in a foreign country and hoping that a more military regime doesn't cut your head off.

[John B.]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:58:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Goodness Tom. You have a vivid imagination. I've lived in Thailand,
although I worked in Indonesia for years, since 1972. During that
period there has been 9 coups and during none of them has there been
any attempt to cut off anyone's head. Neither those of foreigners nor
of the Thai population.

Yet again you demonstrate that you are talking about something about
which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

--
cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Imagine that, you don't even know what is going on under your very nose.

[John B. Slocomb]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:08:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

What is "going on under my nose"? Please tell us what I have missed?

Perhaps the massacre of hundreds, maybe thousands, of Thais or
foreigners by the Military government? Or maybe the amazing decrease
in the economy caused by the Military Government? Or the decreased
minimum salary of the poor working man?Or? Or?

Or perhaps the fact that you are talking about something about which
you have no knowledge whatsoever?

--

Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

It would appear that you have a great deal more faith in a dictatorship than in the Free Enterprise US. One can only guess why that is.

[John B. Slocomb]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 07:28:15 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Given that the previous administration, the results of a coup a
military government for the past few years, did more to eliminate
bribery and corruption than any previous government in the history of
the country since the government moved to Bangkok in 1768 that I have
to say that it may have been the cleanest government to rule the
country that ever existed. And, I might add, that the economy has
reached the highest peak in history under the coup government and the
Thai Baht is at it's highest value against the U.S,. dollar (and going
up daily) that it has been in the 50 years I've lived here.

So yes, I have faith in, at least, the latest dictatorship that ruled
Thailand.

The current, democratically elected, government has yet to be formed
as they have been squabbled amongst themselves for almost a month
about who was going to be minister for this and minister for that so
effectively the military coup government has continued to rule for
more than a month since the election as the elected representatives
have problems trying to manage themselves, never mind running the
country. Recent poles have shown that the citizens here are rather
apprehensive about the effectiveness of this elected government due to
it's continued internal inability to corporate with each other within
their own coalition.

As for the free enterprise in the U.S., as you have been weeping,
crying and complaining about how OBama ruined you financially, how the
illegal immigrants are causing crime waves and about rabble wearing
masks and beating up on reporters it would seem to me that you aren't
very happy with your government.

By the way, the government here was continually making sweeps,
capturing illegal immigrants and deporting them through the entire
time the dictatorship has been in force.
--

Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

Exactly who the hell are you talking to? Thailand is known all over the east as the place to run if you're a criminal. In Bangkok half the population are criminals avoiding prosecution in other countries. While the ownership of illegal firearms isn't as high as the USA it is a lot higher than most other countries.

[AMuzi]

Samuel Huntignton in his 'Political Order in Changing
Societeies' (1968) posits that nearly all military coups are
undertaken by middle class officers to promote middle class
values (order, honest services etc) in reaction to disorder
and/or corruption. The very rich and the abjectly poor
usually offer them little or no support.