Tuesday Ride.

[Tom Kunich]

Well, I'm in the process of getting ready to go on my Tuesday ride. It is only 25 miles but will have 2600 feet of climbing. 3 miles into the ride there is a 200 meter 8% climb that will warm you up for the rest of the climbing. Since the ride is so short, I will probably have enough energy to ride well for the entire ride until the very end where I will stop at a coffee shop.

For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk. I am lactose intolerant and that did me in for two days, luckily although I had lost all energy for the second half of the ride back, the real effects didn't occur until I got home.

So hopefully I will have recovered enough energy not to be too weak for this ride. For the month I have 490 miles so far and am presently at 188,000 feet of climbing over the last 12 months. I don't think that last year at this time that I was doing much climbing because of the lockdown so today's 2600 feet will add to my 12 month total.

I will again give a plug to Darevienida shorts. Not only are they the best riding shorts I've even used but they do not seem to be wearing at all and washing seem to not effect them of the memory foam pad. I paid $30 for one pair and bought another to store away, I have Pearl Izumi and LGS shorts that I can also use but the Darevienida are so comfortable that I end up using them for most rides.

[Lou Holtman]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote

> For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.

Hmm.......puzzled.


Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.

[Lou Holtman]

Latte is Italian. Don’t order café au lait either if you are lactose intolerant. If the coffee is light brown or has some white foam on it contains milk. This is true in any language;-).

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

Got the climbing ride in and here I am back at home. I have a ton of yard work to do but think that I will put that off until tomorrow since the wife will be driving up to Sacramento again. It's pretty clear that I will reach the same distance this month that I made last month and probably end the year with a higher mileage and climbing than last year. Not exactly sure why that would be but probably I was riding with people that would pick me up and drive half of the way to our target destinations so that they didn't have to climb the scary stuff. Lots of people don't want to do a quarter of a mile of 12% or the same distance at 23% except for the last 50 feet which is only 16% The Ride out to Pleasanton goes up Safeway Hill which is 9% with pretty heavy traffic. Since it parallels a freeway, there is no need for the amount of traffic on the side road. But we'll see.

[Tom Kunich]

Well. it was in a paper cup with a cap on top and the coffee was strong enough that I could distinguish the flavor of the milk. Perhaps I should carry a couple of pills of milk digestant with me for such cases. I didn't realize what I was drinking until after it was mostly gone and I pulled the cap off. I also had some sort of French pastry so I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to the coffee.

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:12:46?AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote

>> > For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.
>> Hmm.......puzzled.
>>
>>
>> Lou
>
>Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.

All I remember from my French class was the TA's opening statement. He
said we should remember the forms of the verb"Vouloir," and everything
else you could do with hand signals. It means "to want," for those
who never had French.

[Catrike Rider]

I take rest stops on my rides, but I do them without getting off the
Catrike, and I'm not dressed to go into a coffee shop or restaurant
anyway. At my halfway point, I'm usually already dripping wet with
sweat.

[Roger Meriman]

Surely if it’s a trail they are used to sweaty folks? I do generally sit
outside for various reasons but even in mid winter various cafes/pubs do
offer inside after all I’m a lot cleaner than the dog walkers!

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Rider]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:47:33 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
wrote:

There aren't any coffee shops or restaurants on the trails where I
ride. I could change where I ride, but sitting down for a coffee or a
snack in a communal place is not something I enjoy.

I usually have a cold beer and an orange waiting for me at the truck,
and sometimes, if I have along drive home, I'll stop and pick up a
chocolate malt for the drive.

[John B.]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:10:24 -0400, Catrike Rider

I used to carry one, or several. bottles of some sort of "energy
drink", depending on the anticipated mileage that day, and just
stopped and drank some then I felt like it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Roger Meriman]

It’s the not dressed to go into cafe/restaurant that I was talking about,
personally I do enjoy a cappuccino and cake though depends on the cafe!

And does depend on where I’m going sometimes just not that sort of area ie
up into the hills or so on.

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:01:19 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>

>>> Surely if it?s a trail they are used to sweaty folks? I do generally sit

>>> outside for various reasons but even in mid winter various cafes/pubs do

>>> offer inside after all I?m a lot cleaner than the dog walkers!

>>>
>>> Roger Merriman
>>
>> There aren't any coffee shops or restaurants on the trails where I
>> ride. I could change where I ride, but sitting down for a coffee or a
>> snack in a communal place is not something I enjoy.
>>
>> I usually have a cold beer and an orange waiting for me at the truck,
>> and sometimes, if I have along drive home, I'll stop and pick up a
>> chocolate malt for the drive.
>>
>It’s the not dressed to go into cafe/restaurant that I was talking about,
>personally I do enjoy a cappuccino and cake though depends on the cafe!
>
>And does depend on where I’m going sometimes just not that sort of area ie
>up into the hills or so on.
>
>Roger Merriman

My wife likes to go out to eat and I go with her unless she's going
with her girlfriends... however, I hate loud, noisy places with loud
noisy people, and would never go to such places if it was up to me.
Outdoor places are usually fine for me if they are away from the
traffic noise, but not on bicycle rides. My rest breaks are seldom
more than a few minutes. I'm eager to get back "on the road." I want
to ride hard until I'm totally beat and then relax in quiet solitude
as the endorphins drift away.

[Tom Kunich]

If they want to business of people exercising they have to get used to the fragrance of the body that goes along with it.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 7/26/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> If they want to business of people exercising they have to get used to the fragrance of the body that goes along with it.

We were quite sweaty when we sat down to dinner, and very happy to get
into the breeze of a fan. There were no objections at all from others.
In fact, two ladies at an adjoining table were happy to chat with us, as
was our waitress.

:-) That would have freaked out our Florida boy! Actual conversation!
From <gasp!> strangers! So scary! :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

How long have you lived in Florida?

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:59:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/26/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> If they want to business of people exercising they have to get used to the fragrance of the body that goes along with it.
>
>We were quite sweaty when we sat down to dinner, and very happy to get
>into the breeze of a fan. There were no objections at all from others.

People are too polite.

>In fact, two ladies at an adjoining table were happy to chat with us, as
>was our waitress.

OMG, chatting.. what people do when they have nothing worthwhile to
say.

>:-) That would have freaked out our Florida boy!

Freaking out is what Krygowski does when he encounters somebody who
does things he doesn't approve of...

>< Actual conversation!

Not hardly... it's small talk. worthless noise.

> From <gasp!> strangers! So scary! :-)

People whoare uncomfortable being alone are alway happy to find other
group thinkers.

[Frank Krygowski]

Some people who are pathologically afraid of talking to others take to
insulting others on discussion groups. That's so they can tell
themselves they are actually brave. It's simultaneously laughable and sad.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:17:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski

<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 7/26/2023 4:29 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:59:32 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/2023 10:09 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If they want to business of people exercising they have to get used to the fragrance of the body that goes along with it.
>>>
>>> We were quite sweaty when we sat down to dinner, and very happy to get
>>> into the breeze of a fan. There were no objections at all from others.
>>
>> People are too polite.
>>
>>> In fact, two ladies at an adjoining table were happy to chat with us, as
>>> was our waitress.
>>
>> OMG, chatting.. what people do when they have nothing worthwhile to
>> say.
>>
>>> :-) That would have freaked out our Florida boy!
>>
>> Freaking out is what Krygowski does when he encounters somebody who
>> does things he doesn't approve of...
>>
>>> < Actual conversation!
>>
>> Not hardly... it's small talk. worthless noise.
>>
>>> From <gasp!> strangers! So scary! :-)
>>
>>
>> People whoare uncomfortable being alone are alway happy to find other
>> group thinkers.
>
>Some people who are pathologically afraid of talking to others take to
>insulting others on discussion groups.

I don't know anyone pathologically afraid to talk to others. As for
me, I've given speeches demontrating my software to a few presidents
and vice presidents of large electric facilities. There are people,
though, who really like solitude and are self-secure enough to not
contantly need other people around to feel secure.

> That's so they can tell
>themselves they are actually brave.

Bravery is a subjective evaluation...

>It's simultaneously laughable and sad.

More irony from Krygowski

[Catrike Rider]

If Krygowski had more than half a wit, he'd know that introverts, me
for instance, are not afraid of people and work, play, and relate with
people, even large crowds of people regularly. Unlike timid
narcisstic people like Krygowski, most introverts are comfortable
with, and without social contact.

Krygowski has trouble understanding people who don't do things exactly
like he does, and he rants and raves about them even when they has no
tangible effect on him.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 7:00:24 PM UTC-4, floriduh dumbass wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:06:59 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:17:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>
> >

> >>It's simultaneously laughable and sad.
> >
> >More irony from Krygowski

Here our scared little kitty demonstrates his insecurity and pleas for attention by responding to his own post.

> If Krygowski had more than half a wit, he'd know that introverts, me
> for instance,

You're no introvert, it's a bogus rationalization for why you have no friends.

> are not afraid of people and work, play, and relate with
> people, even large crowds of people regularly. Unlike timid
> narcisstic people like Krygowski,

You do realize 'timid narcissist' is an oxymoron, you moron. (and don't give us any bullshit about how you're qualified to make psyche evaluations because you read a book on it once. You're just another floriduh dumbass with an unsubstantiated (and worthless) opinion.)

> most introverts are comfortable
> with, and without social contact.
>
> Krygowski has trouble understanding people who don't do things exactly
> like he does, and he rants and raves about them even when they has no
> tangible effect on him.

unlike someone who is so obsessed with frank he can't let a single post of his go by without a desperate cry for attention, much like an insolent toddler yanking his mothers hem yelling "MOMMY!" while she's attempting to engage in adult conversation.

You're a sad, scared lonely jealous little (very little) 'man'.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:20:04 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote
> > > > For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.
> > > Hmm.......puzzled.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lou
> > Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.
> Latte is Italian.

<eyeroll>

[Catrike Rider]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:26:53 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Every now and then I'll read one of Junior's tirades, just for the
entertainment factor. My wife gets a kick out of them too.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

lol....sure thing, dumbass. Duck and run from a scared little gun-toting tricycle riding floriduh dumbass magatard duly noted, and summarily ridiculed.

[Tom Kunich]

It is served all over France and I bought mine in Douce France restaurant in Palo Alto directly across the street from Stanford. Lait is French for milk but I bought Cafe' Lattes all over France including the day before the Tour ended in Paris. I even have a painting of the cafe where I bought one which is right across the footbridge over the Seine from the Champs. Of course that was before I became lactose intolerant. It happens suddenly.

So like your engineering skills, your understanding of cafe drinks is also wanting. Or do you also have a diploma in that as well?

[Tom Kunich]

Now isn't that impressive for a guy that hides his name.

[Lou Holtman]

The sell caffè latte also in the Netherlands it is just an expresso with a lot of warm milk and is disgusting. It is for people who don’t like coffee. It is ‘coffee’ for women ;-).


Lou

[AMuzi]

On 7/28/2023 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:20:04 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote

>>>>>> For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.
>>>>> Hmm.......puzzled.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>> Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.
>>> Latte is Italian.
>> <eyeroll>

>>> Don’t order café au lait either if you are lactose intolerant. If the coffee is light brown or has some white foam on it contains milk. This is true in any language;-).

>>>
>>> Lou
>
> It is served all over France and I bought mine in Douce France restaurant in Palo Alto directly across the street from Stanford. Lait is French for milk but I bought Cafe' Lattes all over France including the day before the Tour ended in Paris. I even have a painting of the cafe where I bought one which is right across the footbridge over the Seine from the Champs. Of course that was before I became lactose intolerant. It happens suddenly.
>
> So like your engineering skills, your understanding of cafe drinks is also wanting. Or do you also have a diploma in that as well?
>

As with so very many topics here on RBT, people have various
tastes. Which is fine (until mandatory!).

Why anyone would add milk to a perfectly good espresso, or
even coffee, is beyond me.

But hey, ordering a latte will get you coffee with milk.

You can drink it, you can toss it out and order an actual
espresso or coffee as you wish. And decide differently every
morning!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Lou Holtman]

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 11:16:58 PM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:!).

>
> Why anyone would add milk to a perfectly good espresso, or
> even coffee, is beyond me.

And two lumps of sugar…yuck.

Lou

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:32:51 PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:20:04 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote
> > > > > > For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.
> > > > > Hmm.......puzzled.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.
> > > Latte is Italian.
> > <eyeroll>
> > > Don’t order café au lait either if you are lactose intolerant. If the coffee is light brown or has some white foam on it contains milk. This is true in any language;-).
> > >
> > > Lou
> It is served all over France and I bought mine in Douce France restaurant in Palo Alto directly across the street from Stanford. Lait is French for milk but I bought Cafe' Lattes all over France including the day before the Tour ended in Paris. I even have a painting of the cafe where I bought one which is right across the footbridge over the Seine from the Champs.

It may in fact be available all over france - I don't know, I haven't been to france since the late 70's. None of that change's the fact that Latte is the italian version of coffee with milk, including any alleged fluency you may have had in the French language. No, you committed yet another faux pas simply due to your blathering ignorance (hey tommy, did you know that 'faux pas' is slavic for 'tom kunich is an ass'?)

Of course that was before I became lactose intolerant. It happens suddenly.
>
> So like your engineering skills, your understanding of cafe drinks is also wanting.

Tell us again how PWM is used to test cables, TDR is _not_ used to test fiber optic cables, and light lines is a common term for fiber optics? And I never claimed to be any sort of aficionado of cafe drinks.

> Or do you also have a diploma in that as well?

You might want to give that a try, serving coffee all you're qualified for based on your ridiculously ignorant engineering claims.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

You're obviously impressed with the anonymous catrike rider, which is understandable since he's several levels of intellect and accomplishment above you despite his willful floriduh dumbass magatard ignorance. Suffice it to say you're in the minority here.

[Tom Kunich]

While I like black coffee once in awhile I like to have a Vietnamese Coffee. I believe that they put evaporated canned milk and some sugar in it. That was probably what I was thinking about since they do something to evaporated milk so that I don't have any lactose problems.

But 99% of my coffee is strong and black. I suppose that I drink so much coffee that caffeine has no effect on me.

[Tom Kunich]

Who are you kidding Flunky? You pretend to be an expert at everything. Since I could read French when I went to France a couple of times and all of the menu's in cafe's had cafe latte on them it is French in case you don't understand the usage of language.

Since most of the coffee bars I go into including Peet's and Starbucks have Cafe Latte on the menu, it is also English you stupid ass.

Tell me all about fiber optics as if you had an idea of what they were or had the slightest clue of how to test ANYTHING. Stop pretending that you're an engineer because that ship has sailed.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 12:56:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>While I like black coffee once in awhile I like to have a Vietnamese Coffee. I believe that they put evaporated canned milk and some sugar in it. That was probably what I was thinking about since they do something to evaporated milk so that I don't have any lactose problems.

Try using some lactose free powdered milk (for adults):
<https://www.google.com/search?q=lactose+free+powdered+milk+for+adults&tbm=isch>


--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Lou Holtman]

Tom, you went in a coffee bar, you ordered a cafe latte and as you are saying now you know what this means because you can read and understand ‘French’ and you told us that you are lactose intolerant why the hell did you ordered a cafe latte? None of my business but you mentioned it which you didn’t had to. So don’t be surprised we scratch our head.

Lou

[Tom Kunich]

And I've told you before, my memory is screwed up from my concussion. That was 25 miles into a 55 mile ride with a lot of noise around me. I guess that you're not bothered by loud noise, a crowd and being in a line where you're being rushed along but I am I expect I thought I was getting a cafe mocha.

[John B.]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:18:11 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:06:46?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 5:21:53?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4:32:51?PM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 10:59:08?AM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:39:27?PM UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:20:04?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:12:46?AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:56:49?PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote

>> > > > > > > > For some reason, last Sunday, at my halfway break in a 56 mile ride I got a cafe latte forgetting that it contains milk.
>> > > > > > > Hmm.......puzzled.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Lou
>> > > > > > Especially since at one time I was fairly good at French. Reading, not understanding the spoken words.
>> > > > > Latte is Italian.
>> > > > <eyeroll>
>> > > > > Don’t order café au lait either if you are lactose intolerant. If the coffee is light brown or has some white foam on it contains milk. This is true in any language;-).
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Lou
>> > > It is served all over France and I bought mine in Douce France restaurant in Palo Alto directly across the street from Stanford. Lait is French for milk but I bought Cafe' Lattes all over France including the day before the Tour ended in Paris. I even have a painting of the cafe where I bought one which is right across the footbridge over the Seine from the Champs.
>> > It may in fact be available all over france - I don't know, I haven't been to france since the late 70's. None of that change's the fact that Latte is the italian version of coffee with milk, including any alleged fluency you may have had in the French language. No, you committed yet another faux pas simply due to your blathering ignorance (hey tommy, did you know that 'faux pas' is slavic for 'tom kunich is an ass'?)
>> > Of course that was before I became lactose intolerant. It happens suddenly.
>> > >
>> > > So like your engineering skills, your understanding of cafe drinks is also wanting.
>> > Tell us again how PWM is used to test cables, TDR is _not_ used to test fiber optic cables, and light lines is a common term for fiber optics? And I never claimed to be any sort of aficionado of cafe drinks.
>> > > Or do you also have a diploma in that as well?
>> > You might want to give that a try, serving coffee all you're qualified for based on your ridiculously ignorant engineering claims.
>> Who are you kidding Flunky? You pretend to be an expert at everything. Since I could read French when I went to France a couple of times and all of the menu's in cafe's had cafe latte on them it is French in case you don't understand the usage of language.
>>
>> Since most of the coffee bars I go into including Peet's and Starbucks have Cafe Latte on the menu, it is also English you stupid ass.
>>
>> Tell me all about fiber optics as if you had an idea of what they were or had the slightest clue of how to test ANYTHING. Stop pretending that you're an engineer because that ship has sailed.
>

>Tom, you went in a coffee bar, you ordered a cafe latte and as you are rsaying now you know what this means because you can read and understand ‘French’ and you told us that you are lactose intolerant why the hell did you ordered a cafe latte? None of my business but you mentioned it which you didn’t had to. So don’t be surprised we scratch our head.
>
>Lou

Maybe he got confused :-) after all "latte" is not the French word for
"milk" which is "lait", I think. "Latte" is, I believe Italian.
--
Cheers,

John B.