Dedaciai steel tubing
J.B.F.
been told by the builder that it is a very high quality tubeset. I'm
curious as to why more bikes are not built with Deda. tubing?
Reynolds,Columbus & True Temper appear to be the steel trio of choice. Any
feedback/experiences with Dedacciai tubing would be appreciated.
Ciao,
JB
Tom Kunich
>
> I have an option to have a frame built with Dedacciai Zero Uno tubing.I've
> been told by the builder that it is a very high quality tubeset. I'm
> curious as to why more bikes are not built with Deda. tubing?
Err, look through the catalogs of the highest thought of builders in the
world and you will see that Dedacciai is one of the highest on their
lists.
They are a small specialty tubing house and do not have the capability
of supplying companies like Trek. Look up Eddy Merckx, DeRosa and the
like. My Corsa 0.1 is the finest bike I've ever ridden, bar none.
Jason Alcock
1993 according to their web site at http://www.dedacciai.com/.
So don't look at the 1970's classics for their steels :)
Good tubes? As they put it "Best successes: 4 Tour de France (Indurain -
Rijs - Ulrich - Pantani), 1 Giro d’Italia (Pantani), 2 Milano-Sanremo"
Jason Alcock
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> I have an option to have a frame built with Dedacciai Zero Uno tubing.I've
> been told by the builder that it is a very high quality tubeset.
Cromo: 25CRMO4-steel, always cold drawn. Sometimes double butted and
sometimes oversized. TS= 800 N/mm2
Similar to Tron.
Zero TRE: 25CRMO4-steel, micro-alloyed. (a patented procedure to draw
tubes) Double butted in normal sized tubes and triple butted in oversize
tubes. TS= 950 N/mm2. This tube is ussually a "Bang for the Buck"
Similar to Neuron or Brain.
Zero UNO: 18MCDV6-steel. micro-alloyed. Double bnutted in normal sized
tubes and triple butted in oversized tubes. TS= 1300 N/mm2.
Similar to MAX, EL, Genius, Nemo etc.
Zero HT: 18MCDV6-steel, Heat-treated, miro-alloyed, double butted in
normal sized tubes and triple butted in oversized tubes. TS= 1450
N/mm2.thinner walls and less weight than Zero UNO.
Similar to 853 and the latest generation of steel tubes from Columbus.
ZeroHT is the steel most European Frame builders use for their top steel
frames. As light as a Tig welded Genius/Nemo and almost as stiff as a
brazed MAX - A very good compromise. Pinerello's Radius is built on Zero
HT.
D-light HT alu: Heat treated 7003 aluminum. TS= 470 N/mm2 (The aluminum
alloy used by most european frame builders for their top alu frames.
Ulrich, Riis and Olano rode a Pinerello Paris in Tour De France 97 and
98 based on this alloy)
> I'm curious as to why more bikes are not built with Deda. tubing?
> Reynolds,Columbus & True Temper appear to be the steel trio of choice. Any
> feedback/experiences with Dedacciai tubing would be appreciated. Ciao,
Actually Dedacciai is very big in Europe, more common than Reynolds wich
is getting quite rare except from american steel-bikes (wich is also
quite rare). I havent seen tubes from Truetemper, Tange and Vitus here
in Copenhagen for almost five years - Only Columbus, Dedacciai, Oria,
Reynolds and Easton.
Most manufactors like Pinerello are relabeling their Dedacciai tubes to
Pinerello something, but the tubes are plain Dedacciai.
Dedacciai tubes are beeing used by: Pinerello, F.Moser, Fondrieste,
Bianchi, Battaglin, Basso etc.
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Bill Lloyd
said he preferred it to 853, for quality reasons. I've only
been riding it for 2 weeks (~ 400 miles) but so far it's been
great. Compares favorably to the Ti bike I had it beforehand,
and it's beautiful.
It's also light -- scary light. Frame is in the 3.6 ish pound
range, and it's sufficiently stiff for me, a 6 foot, 170 pound
sprinter. With it being this light and stiff (the top tube
and downtube are a bit oversized -- maybe 1.25" or 1.375",
I didn't measure), I'm a little leery of crashing it, however.
-B
In article <01bea66f$b8b67ae0$415d4c0c@default>,
"J.B.F." <jbc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have an option to have a frame built with Dedacciai Zero Uno
tubing.I've
> been told by the builder that it is a very high quality tubeset. I'm
> curious as to why more bikes are not built with Deda. tubing?
> Reynolds,Columbus & True Temper appear to be the steel trio of
choice. Any
> feedback/experiences with Dedacciai tubing would be appreciated.
> Ciao,
> JB
>
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Thay were in 1998....my Trofeo being Zero/Tre. The 1999s often do not have a
Ded. lable as bianchi was apparently looking to cut costs by using other
suppliers.
Brian Lafferty
Eric and Naomi
> Most manufactors like Pinerello are relabeling their Dedacciai tubes to
> Pinerello something, but the tubes are plain Dedacciai.
> Dedacciai tubes are beeing used by: Pinerello, F.Moser, Fondrieste,
> Bianchi, Battaglin, Basso etc.
Yes, this is true; I guess that they have gotten a lot of the ex-Tange
business this way. ;*) For example, they make the Ritchey house-label
tubing now, among others (Ibis?).
I also believe that a lot of Bianchi's bikes are Dedacciai...
It's good stuff. Once you get to this level of strong, reliable,
consistent tubing, they all make great bike frames.
Eric
Morten Reippuert Knudsen
> Thay were in 1998....my Trofeo being Zero/Tre. The 1999s often do not have a
> Ded. lable as bianchi was apparently looking to cut costs by using other
> suppliers.
Are you sure that it ain't the same steel: 18MCDV6 HT, 18MCDV6 and
25CRMO4. Maybe they are relabeling the tubes like Pinarello do.
Liana
When I went to get the bike made I wanted it made of 653 or 753.
The frame builder, who was reported to be the best in Sydney, told me he did
not use Reynolds
tubing as it wasn't straight and he couldn't build a straight frame from
curved tubing. He had spoken
to Reynolds about this but they could not supply tubing to his specs.
Dedaccai was set up by the Dedalo brothers who used to work for Columbus.
They
use their knowledge gained at Columbus to produce very high quality tubing,
and having
brand new machinery at their disposal also helps.
It seems they have also increased the volume recently as it is becoming more
readily available.
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Tho X. Bui
>> The frame builder, who was reported to be the best in Sydney, told me he did
> not use Reynolds
> tubing as it wasn't straight and he couldn't build a straight frame from
> curved tubing. He had spoken
> to Reynolds about this but they could not supply tubing to his specs.
Wow. I never realized that frame building has such a precise
requirements. Are these tubing curved like a simitar or are they, say, a
few thousandths off per foot (that can be realigned if need be after
building)?
Now, if I were a cynical person, I'd think that he just gave you a story
because he couldn't (or wouldn't) find a source for the tubes...but
thankfully, I'm not cynical at all.
Tho
Liana
they were out by quite a few mm over the length(0.5 metre) demonstrated by
use of a rule and the Columbus tubes he had were perfect to the naked eye.
I guess you could probably build a frame with "unstraight" tubes and cold
set them upon final alignment, but this guy just wouldn't work like that.
He offered to make the bike for me out of Columbus or Dedaccai but not
Reynolds.
There is an abundance of frame builders in Sydney who will use Reynolds
tubing so I don't think it was
because of lack of supply.
He actually spent quite a bit of time showing me his workshop and all his
machinery. I think the guy was genuine.
Having rung a few bike shops to check his story, because I am very cynical,
I believed everything he said is true. I must admit I was very skeptical at
the time because there was not much Dedaccai around.
It seems that a lot of the major Euro framebuilders are using Dedaccai now.
The bike is 3 years old but I still get people saying "nice bike", and I
thought this was only reserved for pedigree Italian frames with fancy
paintjobs..
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Ben
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Liana
His name is Frank Paino. (Miranda Cycles)
I haven't seen him in the shop for a while though. Don't know if he is still
there (the shop definitely is.)
He also had an apprentice working for him who has now gone out on his own
and is also supposed to be pretty good.
John Bosevski is his name. (ph 0416 040 342)
My brother is picking up a frame from him next week, before he heads
overseas.
Let me know how you go.
Tho X. Bui
>
> The frame builder showed me some tubes, which he told me were Reynolds, and
> they were out by quite a few mm over the length(0.5 metre) demonstrated by
That is an amazingly large amount of run-out, especially for cold drawn
seamless tubing. Anyone out there has the same experience with Reynolds
tubing?
Tho