Your bike cannot do this

[AMuzi]

https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/

Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Frank Krygowski]

On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>
>
> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.

The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Roger Merriman]

He is though he’s in a job where retirement medical is a fair probability!

See Martyn Ashdown who is a wheelchair user now, and has the most amazing
trike, designed by a wheelchair user him self and what it can do is
staggering, clearly at a cost! But even so impressive bit of kit!

https://youtu.be/Kqx8jnp7YHw

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

The USA has the longest recorded history of the USA continental climate. There IS no man made climate change and despite the NOAA and NASA environmentalist wackos who are quite purposely reporting the MGT falsely we have have the US weather service which is showing just the opposite. That the temperature is following the historic cycles and is cooling down. I wouldn't worry too much about it since it will take 200,000 years. All of this climate change bullshit is these nutcakes means of demanding that there are too many people on Earth and that we must take actions to reduce the population. Now this isn't just a wild eyed super minority because in the UN they were talking about putting poison in the food sent to Africa. So not only were they suggesting murder but a level of racism never seen since Hitler.

[John B.]

I see... "cooling down"? And thus the polar ice is becoming thinner,
Glaciers disappearing, the oceans are rising.

Yup, makes perfect sense
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/

Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
tomatoes.

[John B.]

Yup. An amazing 4.5 degrees colder then the most recent 30-year
average.

>Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
>unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
>tomatoes.

--

Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

Your point is the logical equivalent of carrying a snowball into
congress to prove there's no climate change happening.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[AMuzi]

On 10/30/2021 10:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 8:35 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger
>>>> Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for
>>>>>> that final scene.
>>>>>>

>>>>> He is though he’s in a job where retirement medical

au contraire.

I'm well aware that climate changes. When young, I worked
briefly at a limestone quarry, a couple hundred feet of
sedimentary rock laid down a millimeter at a time in a warm
tropic sea with plenty of shellfish. That same area was a
mile deep under a glacier later. Change is normal.

[Tom Kunich]

John, do you just go along with any stupid political idea to be popular? Polar ice thins and thickens in cycles. In 1638 a Portuguese trader sailed from Japan straight back to Europe across the north polar ocean. In 1954 the USS Skate surfaced at the north POLE in clear water and the following year so did the USS Nautilus. There was a claim that the Antarctic ice was thinning but that was on a penensula under which an underwater volcano had become active. Then again they claimed that when there was a crack in the Antarctic ice at where one of the glaciers met the sea that it was "proof" that the climate was warming - glaciers have ALWAYS calved - that is what happened to the Titanic.

When people want to make themselves feel important by making a sucker out of you, you should be smart enough to figure it out.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, did you have a problem reading that chart that showed NO average temperature change overall? In the temperate regions there is a slight reduction in the Mean Global Temperature by direct measurement. The NOAA has falsified the data simply by using satellite data that only represents the upper atmospheric temperature.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0815-z
"Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61 ± 0.34 °C per decade, more than three times the global average."

Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.

Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.

[Tom Kunich]

Perhaps you'd like to prolong a conversation about "records" that are set over what is a small part of a century? Maybe you're unaware that ALL of the world's high temperatures were set in the 1930's? You know when we had a Great Depression and many many farmers moved to California where the ocean moderated the temperatures?

Tell you what, pretend that you know something like John does by cutting and pasting crap off of the Internet posted by nutcakes like yourself.

[jbeattie]

Uh, Portland set its all-time record a few months ago. 116 degrees. https://tinyurl.com/6mz82y9k It broke records three days in a row. The last time I checked, 2021 is not the 1930s. The City started keeping records in 1890.

-- Jay Beattie

[Tom Kunich]

Jay, do you have to FORCE yourself to look stupid? Portland Oregon had 5 days of over 100 degrees in July of '42 Portland had NO reported daily average temperatures before 1940 for some reason. No temperature charts are available. And while you had higher than normal temperatures in Portland we have lower than normal here with up to 18" of rain in some areas and 4" which was way above normal here. This is called weather variability. Did the USS Skate surfacing at the North Pole in clear water in 1954 mean global warming?

[John B.]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:28:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

You confuse cause and effect and while you can argue the causes of
"global warming" you can hardly argue that it is taking place. Or
perhaps being you, you can argue, but at the present rate of ice
thinning in both the North and South it is estimated that sea levels
may become as much as 4 feet higher and I read that the lowest point
in San Francisco is only 5 ft above sea level.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[jbeattie]

Dear Dope, you said all heat records were set in the 1930s. That is wrong. Portland set its heat record(s) in June 2021. Portland has been keeping daily records since the late 1800s and not 1940. Read this: https://mrcc.purdue.edu/FORTS/histories/OR_Portland_Grice.pdf Highest temperature every year back to 1875: https://www.currentresults.com/Yearly-Weather/USA/OR/Portland/extreme-annual-portland-high-temperature.php See if you can find another 116F day. [spoiler alert: you can't].

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B.]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

>> "Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61?±?0.34?°C per decade, more than three times the global average."

>>
>> Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.
>>
>> Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.
>>
>> https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
>> Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.
>
>Perhaps you'd like to prolong a conversation about "records" that are set over what is a small part of a century? Maybe you're unaware that ALL of the world's high temperatures were set in the 1930's? You know when we had a Great Depression and many many farmers moved to California where the ocean moderated the temperatures?
>

Nope Tommy, wrong again. The earth's average temperature was 57.12
degrees (F) in the 1930's and 58.12 in the 2000's.

And farmers didn't move to California because of the lower
temperatures, they moved to (hopefully) find jobs.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[AMuzi]

On 10/30/2021 2:40 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.
>>>>>>

>>>>> He is though he’s in a job where retirement medical is a fair probability!

>>>>>
>>>>> See Martyn Ashdown who is a wheelchair user now, and has the most amazing
>>>>> trike, designed by a wheelchair user him self and what it can do is
>>>>> staggering, clearly at a cost! But even so impressive bit of kit!
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/Kqx8jnp7YHw
>>>>
>>>> The USA has the longest recorded history of the USA continental climate. There IS no man made climate change and despite the NOAA and NASA environmentalist wackos who are quite purposely reporting the MGT falsely we have have the US weather service which is showing just the opposite. That the temperature is following the historic cycles and is cooling down. I wouldn't worry too much about it since it will take 200,000 years. All of this climate change bullshit is these nutcakes means of demanding that there are too many people on Earth and that we must take actions to reduce the population. Now this isn't just a wild eyed super minority because in the UN they were talking about putting poison in the food sent to Africa. So not only were they suggesting murder but a level of racism never seen since Hitler.
>>>
>>> I see... "cooling down"? And thus the polar ice is becoming thinner,
>>> Glaciers disappearing, the oceans are rising.
>>>
>>> Yup, makes perfect sense
>>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/
>>
>> Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
>> unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
>> tomatoes.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0815-z

> "Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61 ± 0.34 °C per decade, more than three times the global average."

>
> Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.
>
> Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.
>
> https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
> Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.
>

Good to know that Toyotas caused the last Ice Age. I learn
so much here.

[AMuzi]

I read Mr Gore's book so I know with some certainty that
major world cities were inundated by 2010 and after 2020
we're amid world famine.

[Tom Kunich]

Listening to people like Russell and John tell us all about the world about us that they know so little about continues to be entertain though. https://realclimatescience.com/

[Tom Kunich]

Tony Heller shows how the old NASA had a complete set of records and then after Al Gore told them that they could get more R&D money to find climate change they actually changed their temperature records. Even better they completely erased the little Ice Age and the Medieval warm period to support Dr. Michael Mann's "Hockey Stick" temperature prediction that never occurred, then NOAA became part of the Michael Mann suck-ups by modifying more temperature records.

Michael Mann bragged that he had made $2.8 Million off of making that prediction.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Tommy boy, you writing about this Tony Heller, aka Steven Goddard, does not help your lies. He is known as a nut case by everyone. If you had an education, you would understand the importance of the references you use in an argument. But since you have no education at all, you are ignorant of these things. I realize you are old, but it is not too late to get an education. Study, learn, become a thinking person!!!!!

https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/

[Tom Kunich]

[Tom Kunich]

Perhaps you'd like to explain to us what credentials you have in climate science of any sort?

I find it very interesting that that idiotic website that you cited actually spend a great deal of time repeating Tony's postings. And no time supplying any serious refutations. Tony has written search routines that go through the ACTUAL DAILY REPORTED TEMPERATURES in all of the major cities in the USA reported in all of their major news papers. So who is refuting these?

APCO Worldwide Background: APCO has been described as “one of the world’s most powerful PR firms.” And why are they the most powerful PR firm?
Because they are owned an operated by the legal firm that represents Philip Morris Tobacco and other related Philip Morris Group

Hugh W. Ellsaesser Credentials: Ph.D., Meteorology. What is his position?

“I am one of the strong supporters of the proposition that the available records indicate climate warming over the past century or so. It’s just that I don’t believe the observed warming is due to an increase in greenhouse gases.”

In other words he actually SUPPPORTS the position of Tony

Alfred (Al) Pekarek Credentials: Ph.D., University of Wyoming (1974). B.A. University of Minnesota-Twin What is HIS position?

“Climate is certainly cyclical; we’ve got natural drivers, and we appear to have entered another cooling phase. On a positive note […] are there any benefits to increasing carbon dioxide? Absolutely yes. What are they? […] Higher crop yields […] this sometimes I think could be providential […] because under those trying circumstances [of global cooling], with more c02, plants might actually do better.”

In other words he too agrees with Tony.

Benny Josef Peiser Credentials: Ph.D. , University of Frankfurt (1993). Peiser studied political science, English, and sports science. His study?

“historian and anthropologist with particular research interest in neo-catastrophism and its implications for human and societal evolution.”
What is his entirely incompetent position? "Although Peiser has stated “I do not think anyone is questioning that we are in a period of global warming. Neither do I doubt that the overwhelming majority of climatologists is agreed that the current warming period is mostly due to human impact,”

So tell me? Are you telling me that a Tobacco company, two professors in climate related areas that AGREE with Tony Heller and a sociologist who is studying people like you are people that are "debunking" him? More interesting - they refuse to release the source of their financing.

We have had these sorts of discussions before. With each iteration you are losing more and more of your psychological grounding in reality.

You know nothing about science but you like to play one on TV. Good luck with that.

[John B.]

And you believed Al Gore?
(Psst.. I got this bridge for sale.....)

--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 8:05:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/30/2021 2:40 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.
>> >>>>>>

>> >>>>> He is though he窶冱 in a job where retirement medical is a fair probability!

>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> See Martyn Ashdown who is a wheelchair user now, and has the most amazing
>> >>>>> trike, designed by a wheelchair user him self and what it can do is
>> >>>>> staggering, clearly at a cost! But even so impressive bit of kit!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://youtu.be/Kqx8jnp7YHw
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The USA has the longest recorded history of the USA continental climate. There IS no man made climate change and despite the NOAA and NASA environmentalist wackos who are quite purposely reporting the MGT falsely we have have the US weather service which is showing just the opposite. That the temperature is following the historic cycles and is cooling down. I wouldn't worry too much about it since it will take 200,000 years. All of this climate change bullshit is these nutcakes means of demanding that there are too many people on Earth and that we must take actions to reduce the population. Now this isn't just a wild eyed super minority because in the UN they were talking about putting poison in the food sent to Africa. So not only were they suggesting murder but a level of racism never seen since Hitler.
>> >>>
>> >>> I see... "cooling down"? And thus the polar ice is becoming thinner,
>> >>> Glaciers disappearing, the oceans are rising.
>> >>>
>> >>> Yup, makes perfect sense
>> >>>
>> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/
>> >>
>> >> Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
>> >> unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
>> >> tomatoes.
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew Muzi
>> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0815-z

>> > "Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61窶可ｱ窶�.34窶可ｰC per decade, more than three times the global average."

>> >
>> > Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.
>> >
>> > Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.
>> >
>> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
>> > Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.
>> >
>> Good to know that Toyotas caused the last Ice Age. I learn
>> so much here.
>
>Listening to people like Russell and John tell us all about the world about us that they know so little about continues to be entertain though. https://realclimatescience.com/

Ah yes, your hero. Tony Heller, who describes himself as "First, you
should know that I知 pretty much a nobody in the climate debate. I知
laughed at by all climatologists. I知 not even taken seriously by true
climate skeptics. I don稚 have a degree in climatology. I haven稚
written a single academic paper about climate change and I don稚 have
a job related to climatology or the weather.

What next? A thrilling story about pigs flying through the air? Or
maybe the earth is flat?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Well this Tony Heller, Steven Goddard (why on earth did he make up a fake name, persona for himself? makes you wonder about his veracity) does have a Bachelors degree in Geology from Arizona State. And a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering. Odd combination of degrees. Rocks, which don't conduct electricity, and electricity. Maybe he is working on a PhD in English Literature to round out the trifecta of illogical degrees.

[Tom Kunich]

John, best you to back to cutting and pasting things that you think say what you want to say rather than attempting to speak in your own rather mindless babbling noise.

Why didn't you answer my question about the fire control system in a B-50 which as crew chief you might be expected to know? Or are you even familiar with the term "fire control"?

[Tom Kunich]

You suffer an extremely serious case of Dysrationalia again and again this shows through almost every one of your postings. Tell us why you think that his name is Goddard when his name is Tony Heller, he worked at Intel under that name and Intel awarded him several successes such as a plaque in his name for designing the Power PC in the name of Tony (Debug God) Heller. Tony clearly shows pictures of some of his awards.

Maybe if you had even a passing capacity for thought you'd know that when he was working for NASA it was not politically correct to have counter NASA ideas and he actually having access to NASA data and knowing the lies they were fomenting he used the pseudonym of Steven Goddard. But my guess is that neither you nor Flunkmeister would understand the reasoning behind that.

You have claimed to be an accountant but you have less mathematical capacity than the average bookkeeper. You believe that a tobacco company and an anthropological sociologist are deeply knowledgeable about the climate and that you can having a degree in Geology which in fact is the study of past climates could not allow him to know anything because "rocks don't conduct electricity". Which of course against demonstrates your irrational behavior since the entire metal group are rocks that conduct electricity and the whole modern world is built upon the transistor which is silicon which is nothing more than the rock.

When you have no knowledge of even the slightest thing even about something as simple as the number of hurricanes that occur every year and your distorted belief that every year has only exactly the average number perhaps you should go home and cry to your mommy that people are being mean to you because you are irrational and continue to be irrational which was what led to the theory of Marxism which has failed every single time it has been tried.

[Radey Shouman]

The current practice of systematically naming hurricanes only goes back
to maybe 1951. In fact hurricane activity has not been increasing, and
hurricanes striking land in the US are low by historical standards. You
might read:

https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

[AMuzi]

On 11/1/2021 9:21 AM, Radey Shouman wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> On 10/30/2021 2:40 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.
>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> He is though he’s in a job where retirement medical is a fair

>>> 0.61 ± 0.34 °C per decade, more than three times the global

And every time you hear 'worst ever', go review the
Galveston event of 1900 and then get a grip.

[Tom Kunich]

The AVERAGE number of hurricanes each year is low and there is a lot of numerical variability depending upon the year. They are actually caused by warm water and cold air masses.

[Tim R]

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:49:59 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>
> And every time you hear 'worst ever', go review the
> Galveston event of 1900 and then get a grip.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Worst Mississippi flood was 1927 and makes a fascinating read.

A lot of the damage was unnecessary, caused by bad flood control decisions. The level of casual racism in the response actions had to be shocking even back then.

[AMuzi]

On 11/1/2021 1:12 PM, Tim R wrote:
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 10:49:59 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> And every time you hear 'worst ever', go review the
>> Galveston event of 1900 and then get a grip.

> Worst Mississippi flood was 1927 and makes a fascinating read.
>
> A lot of the damage was unnecessary, caused by bad flood control decisions. The level of casual racism in the response actions had to be shocking even back then.
>

That's true. The great flood of February 1927 didn't recede
until August.

Not only the Mississippi. Vermont lost 80 people (including
the Lt Governor) and a large number of roads, bridges and
rail were lost plus millions in buildings and businesses.

https://vermonthistory.org/flood-of-27-1927

I'm told we need to scrap all our automobiles as soon as
possible to prevent this from happening again.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Because he and everyone else says he uses Steven Goddard as his pseudonym. No one is hiding that fact. It would help you if you investigated your supporting sources better. You continually show your stupidity.
https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/
"I’m climate change denier Tony Heller. You might know me better by my pen name, “Steven Goddard,” or Twitter handle, @SteveSGoddard."
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/9/30/1982023/-Longtime-Climate-Denier-Tony-Heller-Gets-YouTube-Ban-For-COVID-Denial
"Only slightly less bizarre are the conspiracies presented by Tony Heller, formerly known by his blogging pen name Steve Goddard."
https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/
"Masters in Electrical Engineering – Rice University.
BS Geology – ASU."

Tommy, because you are uneducated, I will explain the above degrees. Masters in Electrical Engineering is achieved by about two years of study after obtaining a bachelors degree. Usually it is in the same field as the bachelors degree. But not with this Tony Steve guy. Rice University is located in Houston. BS Geology stands for Bachelor of Science degree in geology. Rocks. This Tony Steve guy has degrees in rocks and electricity. Yet you think he is an expert in weather and meteorology? Makes sense for you and other Trumpians.

>
> Maybe if you had even a passing capacity for thought you'd know that when he was working for NASA it was not politically correct to have counter NASA ideas and he actually having access to NASA data and knowing the lies they were fomenting he used the pseudonym of Steven Goddard. But my guess is that neither you nor Flunkmeister would understand the reasoning behind that.
>
> You have claimed to be an accountant but you have less mathematical capacity than the average bookkeeper.

And yet I know the Dow, S&P 500, Nasdaq all reached all time closing highs today. But you bragged about your financial knowledge and cunning in a post dated Friday, October 15, 2021 at 11:44:04 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> My broker just called. I am up 11% for the year overall and 21% for the last quarter after I had them remove China from my holdings. That's over $110,000. Too bad that as a bookkeeper you will never make the sort of money that I made as an engineer. It isn't likely that you'll have enough extra capital after Biden gets done with the economy to buy a lollipop.

And I responded Oct 16, 2021, 5:46:05 PM with:
S&P 500 index is up 19.04% during 2021 as of October 15, 2021. Year to date. Dow Jones 30 index is up 15.32% as of October 15, 2021. Year to date. Nasdaq index is up 15.59% as of October 15, 2021. Year to date. Russell 2000 small cap index is up 14.53% as of October 15, 2021. Year to date. All but the first 20 days of January were under the Biden administration.

Remember that Tommy boy? Well as of today, I know your financial advisers are reaming you even more. They liked it so much through October 15, 2021, that in the following two weeks they decided to ream and ream and ream you even more. You are getting swindled and hoodwinked by your financial advisers. I have told you many times already, but I will repeat it again. FREE accounting and financial advice for you Tommy. Invest your money in Vanguard Total Stock Market, Vanguard S&P 500, or Vanguard Nasdaq funds. That is a great way to gain wealth through investing. Nothing too complicated involved. Even someone like you with no education at all can understand it.

[Tom Kunich]

I could go on about your absolute ignorance but I'll just leave it at - I got out of the Air Force in 1967 and you cannot even calculate how many years I've been working in medical science. You could not even be a bookkeeper and not understand how to calculate that. Why do you continue to give us overwhelming evidence that you couldn't have a college degree in basket weaving? I've said when I entered and exited the Air Force only 100 times here. What you are showing is that when you were exaggerating my mileage and climbing it wasn't an exaggeration - it was simply a medical form of stupidity. Your kind of dementia is rare in someone the age you claim to be but more and more it is becoming apparent.

[John B.]

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 06:19:33 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 5:24:38 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 8:05:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 10/30/2021 2:40 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> >>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> >> >>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.
>> >> >>>>>>

>> >> >>>>> He is though he?? in a job where retirement medical is a fair probability!

>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> See Martyn Ashdown who is a wheelchair user now, and has the most amazing
>> >> >>>>> trike, designed by a wheelchair user him self and what it can do is
>> >> >>>>> staggering, clearly at a cost! But even so impressive bit of kit!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> https://youtu.be/Kqx8jnp7YHw
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The USA has the longest recorded history of the USA continental climate. There IS no man made climate change and despite the NOAA and NASA environmentalist wackos who are quite purposely reporting the MGT falsely we have have the US weather service which is showing just the opposite. That the temperature is following the historic cycles and is cooling down. I wouldn't worry too much about it since it will take 200,000 years. All of this climate change bullshit is these nutcakes means of demanding that there are too many people on Earth and that we must take actions to reduce the population. Now this isn't just a wild eyed super minority because in the UN they were talking about putting poison in the food sent to Africa. So not only were they suggesting murder but a level of racism never seen since Hitler.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I see... "cooling down"? And thus the polar ice is becoming thinner,
>> >> >>> Glaciers disappearing, the oceans are rising.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Yup, makes perfect sense
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
>> >> >> unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
>> >> >> tomatoes.
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Andrew Muzi
>> >> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0815-z

>> >> > "Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61?????.34???C per decade, more than three times the global average."

>> >> >
>> >> > Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
>> >> > Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.
>> >> >
>> >> Good to know that Toyotas caused the last Ice Age. I learn
>> >> so much here.
>> >
>> >Listening to people like Russell and John tell us all about the world about us that they know so little about continues to be entertain though. https://realclimatescience.com/
>> Ah yes, your hero. Tony Heller, who describes himself as "First, you

>> should know that I? pretty much a nobody in the climate debate. I?
>> laughed at by all climatologists. I? not even taken seriously by true
>> climate skeptics. I don? have a degree in climatology. I haven?
>> written a single academic paper about climate change and I don? have

>> a job related to climatology or the weather.
>>
>> What next? A thrilling story about pigs flying through the air? Or
>> maybe the earth is flat?
>
>John, best you to back to cutting and pasting things that you think say what you want to say rather than attempting to speak in your own rather mindless babbling noise.
>
>Why didn't you answer my question about the fire control system in a B-50 which as crew chief you might be expected to know? Or are you even familiar with the term "fire control"?

But I did, in some detail. The CFC can control all four fuselage
turrets although this is not the normal practice.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[ritzann...@gmail.com]

Gosh Tommy boy. Can't you even keep your LIES straight? Here you say " I got out of the Air Force in 1967". And in this other thread "Anecdote for Jay" which you responded to at 4:54 PM, you state the following "that somehow that my being discharged from the Air Force in 1965". 19 minutes between posts and you cannot even keep the lies straight? You need a lot of mental treatment.

Here is your other post:

cycl...@gmail.com
4:54 PM (4 hours ago)
to
I understand that you are irrational and there is no cure for it. You can't even seem to remember the things I've actually written and hence make them up as you go. This is your mental conditioning and that is why you tell us that you're an accountant but cannot calculate interest rates over time. Nothing you say can be believed since according to you a tobacco company can successfully refute temperature records from the daily temperatures recorded in all of the local papers all over this country.

This is why you think that "rocks" can't conduct electricity, that somehow that my being discharged from the Air Force in 1965 doesn't leave 50 years between my discharge is well over 50 years. I suppose that is your accounting "degree" showing us your inability to add or subtract.

Please continue to post and show everyone exactly how irrational you are.

[Tom Kunich]

How many fire control positions?

[Tom Kunich]

I was born in October of 1944. I joined at 17.5 Those with the ability to add would assume that I joined the Air Force in May of 1961. 4 years of active duty and two years inactive liable to be recalled would to most people mean that I got off of active duty in 1965 and finished my service of the Air Force in 1967. But since you know absolutely nothing about public service you wouldn't know about that would you? Besides, that math is far beyond your capacity to understand.

[John B.]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:07:51 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

There were 4 gunners assigned to a crew. CFC, right, left, and tail.
The tail gunner managed the tail turret, the CFC could control all
four fuselage turrets but normally (I believe) controlled only the top
turrets.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 10:16:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 7:05:00 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 5:13:05 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 2:09:46 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 8:35:20 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 7:29:06 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > > > On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 7:24:38 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> > > > > > On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:37:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > > > > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 8:05:30 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > > > >> On 10/30/2021 2:40 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >> On 10/29/2021 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:20:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > > > > > >> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> On 10/28/2021 2:03 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>> https://bikerumor.com/2021/10/25/must-watch-danny-macaskill-rides-along-wind-turbine-blade-in-climate-games/
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Mine either, some sort of pilot deficiency I assume.
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>> The man is amazing. There could be no outtakes for that final scene.
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>>

>> > > > > > >> >>>>> He is though he?? in a job where retirement medical is a fair probability!

>> > > > > > >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>> See Martyn Ashdown who is a wheelchair user now, and has the most amazing
>> > > > > > >> >>>>> trike, designed by a wheelchair user him self and what it can do is
>> > > > > > >> >>>>> staggering, clearly at a cost! But even so impressive bit of kit!
>> > > > > > >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>>> https://youtu.be/Kqx8jnp7YHw
>> > > > > > >> >>>>
>> > > > > > >> >>>> The USA has the longest recorded history of the USA continental climate. There IS no man made climate change and despite the NOAA and NASA environmentalist wackos who are quite purposely reporting the MGT falsely we have have the US weather service which is showing just the opposite. That the temperature is following the historic cycles and is cooling down. I wouldn't worry too much about it since it will take 200,000 years. All of this climate change bullshit is these nutcakes means of demanding that there are too many people on Earth and that we must take actions to reduce the population. Now this isn't just a wild eyed super minority because in the UN they were talking about putting poison in the food sent to Africa. So not only were they suggesting murder but a level of racism never seen since Hitler.
>> > > > > > >> >>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> I see... "cooling down"? And thus the polar ice is becoming thinner,
>> > > > > > >> >>> Glaciers disappearing, the oceans are rising.
>> > > > > > >> >>>
>> > > > > > >> >>> Yup, makes perfect sense
>> > > > > > >> >>>
>> > > > > > >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/10/01/south-pole-coldest-winter-record/
>> > > > > > >> >>
>> > > > > > >> >> Not that I give an F about Antarcica but it was also an
>> > > > > > >> >> unusually cool summer here as reflected in pathetic garden
>> > > > > > >> >> tomatoes.
>> > > > > > >> >> --
>> > > > > > >> >> Andrew Muzi
>> > > > > > >> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> > > > > > >> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-020-0815-z

>> > > > > > >> > "Over the last three decades, the South Pole has experienced a record-high statistically significant warming of 0.61?????.34???C per decade, more than three times the global average."

>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > Nature magazine. Do you think they know more about weather at the south pole than a newspaper in Washington DC? The names might suggest they do. Nature vs Washington Post.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > Your post about the coldest south pole record actually confirms the second very very very important fact about climate change. #1 fact is the earth is rising in temperature. It correlates really really really well with humankind's use of fossil fuels. Correlation or causation? #2 fact is the extreme variability this climate change brings. The highs and lows too, are much broader, greater standard deviation, higher maximums, lower minimums, than previous to climate change.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/articles/most-active-hurricane-seasons
>> > > > > > >> > Another fun fact to prove, support my #2 fact of the extreme variability caused by climate change. Number of hurricanes each year. In the above link is says 10 or the top 15 most named hurricanes each year have occurred since 2000. Past 21 years. The records go back to 1851. 170 years and 10 of the 15 years with most named hurricanes are all within the past 21 years.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> Good to know that Toyotas caused the last Ice Age. I learn
>> > > > > > >> so much here.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >Listening to people like Russell and John tell us all about the world about us that they know so little about continues to be entertain though. https://realclimatescience.com/
>> > > > > > Ah yes, your hero. Tony Heller, who describes himself as "First, you

>> > > > > > should know that I? pretty much a nobody in the climate debate. I?
>> > > > > > laughed at by all climatologists. I? not even taken seriously by true
>> > > > > > climate skeptics. I don? have a degree in climatology. I haven?
>> > > > > > written a single academic paper about climate change and I don? have

That sounds as though you joined the Air Force Reserve as to my
knowledge people who enlisted in the "regular" Air Force in the 1960's
served only a 4 year enlistment. No reserve time.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

That means a whole lot about how modern the fire control system was. If all four turrets could be controlled by a central station that means that they were radar aimed and could switch from gun to gun and the attacking aircraft came within the aiming area of the turret. The extra gunners must have meant that the fire control system which was very modern for the time was very unreliable.

[Tom Kunich]

ALL Air Force hitches were for 6 years initially. Why wouldn't you know this? Why wouldn't you bother to look it up? Also there WERE no Air Force Reserves except your normal 2 year non-active extension. Every time you post I have to question your mental conditions.

[John B.]

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

No Tommy all gunner's position had optical sights connected to the
central fire control system which actually pointed the turrets. No
radar involved. The system, I believe, was initially developed for the
B-29, or at least the B-29 had a similar system.

Basically the aircraft fire control system has to take in
consideration both the speed of the parent airplane and the attacking
airplane(s) and the angle of approach both in the horizontal and
vertical plane in order to calculate the lead, distance and angle, for
the guns to be pointed. And, so we were told, neither the B-29 or the
B-50's fire control system was capable of accurate aiming for jet
aircraft.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

No Tommy, that just isn't true, or at least it wasn't true from 1952
until 1972 when I served. The only option was 4 years or 6 years
enlistment. No reserve time at all.

As for there being no Air Force Reserves... the U.S. Air Force Reserve
was established in 1948.

You know Tommy, you keep telling tales about your A.F. service and you
keep making mistakes, like your claim to have served in two Bomb Wings
that never existed, and your story about two years reserve time added
to your 4 year enlistment, which makes one wonder whether you ever
actually served in the A.F. or whether you are just making the whole
story up.

I'm guessing that you probably joined the Air Force Reserve to avoid
the draft and are telling "war stories" that you heard during your,
what was it, two weeks of active duty every year?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

John, remember that I was one of the guys that worked on the bomber electronics. That video I saw had ALL of the turrets rotate and point at the same target. This could not have been done with optical sights. Even the tail gunner in a B47 used radar. The optical sights for both bombing and fire control were retained as backups even on the B52. They were NEVER used because you couldn't see shit with them.

[Tom Kunich]

John, it must be your dementia kicking in because there was no such thing as a plain 4 year enlistment. I had 4 years active duty and 2 years inactive reserves during which I could be recalled. At the end of that 2 years I received discharge papers. Why would that be if there wasn't any such thing?

[Tom Kunich]

John, you're reaching the point of a comedy performance. Some dim witted "crew chief" which was the Air Force flunky telling me that I didn't serve when you keep changing your stories about what you did and where.

According to you Guam wasn't in the war zone remember? You can't even keep your stories straight about where you were stationed and you're telling me about how long a hitch was? What a buffoon.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>John, it must be your dementia kicking in because there was no such thing as a plain 4 year enlistment. I had 4 years active duty and 2 years inactive reserves during which I could be recalled. At the end of that 2 years I received discharge papers. Why would that be if there wasn't any such thing?

I had lunch with some of the local ham radio operators yesterday.
Three were in the USAF, mostly during the 1960's. So, I asked if
there was such a thing as a 4 year enlistment with no subsequent
reserve duty. Apparently not. After 4 years of active duty, one goes
into either active reserve or inactive reserve. Inactive reserve was
basically 2 years of waiting for the discharge papers. Active reserve
meant attending the meetings and exercises. Apparently there are now
some other classifications, most of which I don't understand:
<https://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/Services/Assignments/>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Tom Kunich]

On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 9:46:41 AM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> Apparently there are now
> some other classifications, most of which I don't understand:
> <https://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/Services/Assignments/>

That's OK. Neither does John. He even wants to pretend that he knows about fire control systems as well.

[John B.]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Tommy, have it your own way. I was there, I worked on them and I even
flew in them occasionally. Proof that I don't know anything about them
but you, who have never been near one know all about them.

Just like your 4 years active duty and 2 years reserve. I question
whether you know what you are talking about as over a 20 year period I
never came across a single Airman who had enlisted in the Air Force
and had to serve any reserve time at all.

On the other hand I met a number of so called "Weekend warriors",
reservists, who served 4 years of part time active duty - what was it?
1 weekend a month and 2 whole weeks a year? And two years of inactive
service.

Given your wild stories about your so called military service it
seems likely that you were never actually in the "Regular Air force"
but instead joined the Reserves to avoid the draft.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Tommy, you are full of shit. I enlisted for 4 years, That was it, no
further commitment. Then I enlisted for 6 years and so on until I
reached 20 years.

Your story about 4 years plus 2 years is a typical Air Force Reserve
commitment. Apparently you joined the Reserves to avoid the draft and
did your 2 weeks a year for 4 years and then inactive for 2 years.

Tommy, you are a phony!
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 08:03:57 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

Ah well, Tommy, at least I was a "Crew Chief" as opposed to a "3
level" (apprentice) tool box carrier for a more qualified Technician
as you were and then I went on to bigger and better things and retired
a Master Sergeant.

As for Guam being in the "Combat Zone", well I wasn't there but I
doubt that y'all got the combat pay or combat
zone tax deferment that we got in the actual "Shoot em up Bang!
Bang!" combat zone. I know that while some of my people were TDY to
Thailand they didn't get combat pay or tax deferment and that was
almost next door while Guam was nearly 3,000 miles away.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:46:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>John, it must be your dementia kicking in because there was no such thing as a plain 4 year enlistment. I had 4 years active duty and 2 years inactive reserves during which I could be recalled. At the end of that 2 years I received discharge papers. Why would that be if there wasn't any such thing?
>
>I had lunch with some of the local ham radio operators yesterday.
>Three were in the USAF, mostly during the 1960's. So, I asked if
>there was such a thing as a 4 year enlistment with no subsequent
>reserve duty. Apparently not. After 4 years of active duty, one goes
>into either active reserve or inactive reserve. Inactive reserve was
>basically 2 years of waiting for the discharge papers. Active reserve
>meant attending the meetings and exercises. Apparently there are now
>some other classifications, most of which I don't understand:
><https://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/Services/Assignments/>

Strange, I enlisted the first time in 1952 and was discharged in 1956
and there was no 2 more years thingy then and years later I knew
people that received their discharge in foreign countries which seems
strange is they had to remain in the reserve.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:19:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I don't have an answer for how things were in 1952. However, the
group will meet again for lunch next Weds. I'll try to get the dates
of enlistment and discharge.

[John B.]

On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 20:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:19:58 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:46:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>John, it must be your dementia kicking in because there was no such thing as a plain 4 year enlistment. I had 4 years active duty and 2 years inactive reserves during which I could be recalled. At the end of that 2 years I received discharge papers. Why would that be if there wasn't any such thing?
>>>
>>>I had lunch with some of the local ham radio operators yesterday.
>>>Three were in the USAF, mostly during the 1960's. So, I asked if
>>>there was such a thing as a 4 year enlistment with no subsequent
>>>reserve duty. Apparently not. After 4 years of active duty, one goes
>>>into either active reserve or inactive reserve. Inactive reserve was
>>>basically 2 years of waiting for the discharge papers. Active reserve
>>>meant attending the meetings and exercises. Apparently there are now
>>>some other classifications, most of which I don't understand:
>>><https://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/Services/Assignments/>
>>
>>Strange, I enlisted the first time in 1952 and was discharged in 1956
>>and there was no 2 more years thingy then and years later I knew
>>people that received their discharge in foreign countries which seems
>>strange is they had to remain in the reserve.
>
>I don't have an answer for how things were in 1952. However, the
>group will meet again for lunch next Weds. I'll try to get the dates
>of enlistment and discharge.

I did some research and low and behold everything has changed
(strange... after 50 years) and apparently now days you don't just
enlist in the Air Force you now enlist in some sort of quasi A.F.
Reserve sort of thing with 4 years of active duty and 2 years of
inactive Reserve. So your mates are correct.

When the Korean War started the Army called up everyone who had signed
up for the inactive reserve which allowed them to go from "not many"
to "a whole bunch" almost literally overnight so maybe that is the
logic now. Sort of, "well, you aren't working here so we don't have to
pay you but if we want you we can get you quick" sort of thing.

Along those lines I recently read that the actual cost to the
Government for active duty personnel was. in 2013, more than $90
billion for basic pay, food and housing allowances, bonuses, and
various types of special pay. As opposed to $00.00 for inactive
reserve personnel.

As an aside, you mentioned that Tom's resume listed his posting to
some A.F. Base in 1965. Was that Lowry A.F.B.?
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Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:24:29 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>As an aside, you mentioned that Tom's resume listed his posting to
>some A.F. Base in 1965. Was that Lowry A.F.B.?

Yes.

<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
Education
Lowry AFB
Completed, Electronics
1965 - 1966
Activities and Societies: US Air Force Technical School

[Tom Kunich]

It is important to note that he claims to have been discharged after 4 years and didn't re-up and then tells us all about inactive reserve.

[John B.]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 07:17:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 6:20:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:46:32 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 07:53:35 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>John, it must be your dementia kicking in because there was no such thing as a plain 4 year enlistment. I had 4 years active duty and 2 years inactive reserves during which I could be recalled. At the end of that 2 years I received discharge papers. Why would that be if there wasn't any such thing?
>> >
>> >I had lunch with some of the local ham radio operators yesterday.
>> >Three were in the USAF, mostly during the 1960's. So, I asked if
>> >there was such a thing as a 4 year enlistment with no subsequent
>> >reserve duty. Apparently not. After 4 years of active duty, one goes
>> >into either active reserve or inactive reserve. Inactive reserve was
>> >basically 2 years of waiting for the discharge papers. Active reserve
>> >meant attending the meetings and exercises. Apparently there are now
>> >some other classifications, most of which I don't understand:
>> ><https://www.arpc.afrc.af.mil/Services/Assignments/>
>> Strange, I enlisted the first time in 1952 and was discharged in 1956
>> and there was no 2 more years thingy then and years later I knew
>> people that received their discharge in foreign countries which seems
>> strange is they had to remain in the reserve.
>
>It is important to note that he claims to have been discharged after 4 years and didn't re-up and then tells us all about inactive reserve.

Nope, I didn't mention that I retired after 20 years of service in
1972. I had assumed that you could figure out the "first time" mention
as referring to the possibly that there might have been more
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Cheers,

John B.